More On Romney And Redistribution

Mitt attempts to clarify his remarks:

“The president’s view is one of a larger government; I disagree,” Mr. Romney said in an interview on Fox News. “I think a society based on a government-centered nation where government plays a larger and larger role, redistributes money, that’s the wrong course for America.”

I think Romney and I are on the same page, even if his 47% formulation is poorly thought through - even as the European model collapses we currently have an American President who grew up believing in that model and whose faith in it is unshaken. And I don't believe it is controversial to note that expanding middle class entitlements has been a goal of the Democratic Party for decades with health care as the grand prize; limiting themselves to being the defenders of welfare and Social Security didn't offer enough votes.

Barack Obama chimed in:

In an appearance on “Late Show” with David Letterman, Mr. Obama accused Mr. Romney of “writing off a big chunk of the country” and said it would be wrong for a politician to “suggest that because someone doesn’t agree with me that they’re victims or they’re unpatriotic.”

Don't question their patriotism! I don't see that in Romney's remarks, but Democrats are always whinging that their critics are evil homophobic racists questioning their patriotism, so whatever. Which brings us back to Newark mayor Cory Booker, who said this at the Democratic Convention:

“When your country is in a costly war, with our soldiers sacrificing abroad and our nation facing a debt crisis at home, being asked to pay your fair share isn’t class warfare. It’s patriotism,” Newark Mayor Cory Booker said, blasting the Republicans’ opposition to reducing the federal deficit by increasing taxes on the top 1 percent earners.

Well, if Democrats would stop questioning the patriotism of those being asked to foot the bills, maybe Romney will stop questioning the patriotism of those asking for more benefits. Maybe!

Comments

[GMAX]

The AP/GFk poll released this AM is +11 D RV which they then generously concede that LV will be different, and take it down to a + 9 D. What was 2008 +7 or was it + 8? Regardless its not going to look like 2008 at all in turn out or results. But this survey has Obama up only by one so let your mind wander for just a moment and imagine if you will a turnout model with a + 2 R sample. That would be a shift of 11 points in the correct direction for those of you following along at home...

[GMAX]

BTW RAS has Romney up in Colorado this AM too.

[narciso]

They still go Tufnel, Gmax, and even then, they can only get +1

[Danube of Thought]

Minus 12 at Raz today.

Trails Romnet by 1.

[Threadkiller]

Someone here posted this last night:

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/09/critical-audio-gap-in-complete-romney-tape-released-by-mother-jones/

Missing 1to 2 minutes!! This is an outrage! I am sure the perpetrators will get the Brietbart/Okeefe treatment.

[Danube of Thought]

2008 was +7 D. 2010 was even.

[NK]

DoT-- 2010 was even Rs & Ds voter ID, and Dems won 45% of the total House votes nationwide (per Barone)

[DebinNC]

I can't believe any campaign these days, much less a national one, wouldn't record every public event to defend against selective editing later. I'm not a "Doom"-er, but I'm increasingly a "Sheesh"-er.

[Jack is Back]

TM,

Obama had the audacity to actually tell a bold faced documented lie on Letterman but then Letterman's show is all about lies, slander and goofy rhetoric some have called comedy.

The One said he has never called into question anyone's patriotism. But he forget this little nugget in 2008.

[maryrose]

DebinNC:
I think all future events will be recorded to guard against this kind of cheap faux outrage. Obama twists Mitt's words to say he doesn't care about the 47%. Obama says republicans are the enemy and his cohorts should get in their faces. Which statement is more offensive. Romney needs to remind voters of the disdain that Obama has for them. This war of words will not work. THe stats on the economy and the ginormous debt are going to be the deciding factors. All the rest is just Dem desperation. They must be really worried to put this out at this time.

[NK]

Concur with Maryrose@10:20.

[Jim Ryan]

Lots of George Allen signs. Not too many Tim Kaine ones. And this is a Dem area.

But it all comes down to voter ID and GOTV. Please volunteer at your local GOP HQ.

If you volunteer, will this enable us to steer clear of the brick wall? Maybe!

[Cecil Turner]

“When your country is in a costly war, with our soldiers sacrificing abroad and our nation facing a debt crisis at home, being asked to pay your fair share isn’t class warfare. It’s patriotism,” Newark Mayor Cory Booker said, blasting the Republicans’ opposition to reducing the federal deficit by increasing taxes on the top 1 percent earners.

Fair share? Per the Boston Globe, one year of the "Bush tax cuts" costs the nation $221 billion in lost revenue, only $46 billion of which is in the earnings of the top two percent. With the deficit projected at $1.1 trillion, it's obvious that neither the expiration of the cuts in their entirety nor the proffered tax on the rich will make much of a dent. But if it's so important, why shouldn't we get the full $221 billion (and shrink the deficit by about a fifth) instead of eschewing nearly 80% of the lost revenue?

Maybe because it's all about class warfare, and has little to do with the deficit? [<-- cynical bastage]

[GMAX]

2008 was +7 D. 2010 was even.

Thanks did not want to go on my memory alone.
And RAS has self ID measured at R + 4.5? Go ahead let you mind wander for a second...

[Janet]

OT - Monica's revenge: Lewinsky 'to publish secret love letters to Clinton revealing his insatiable desire for threesomes and how he trashed Hillary'

[Jim Ryan]

Thanks, Janet, you've put me off my pie.

[Jim Ryan]

He destroyed that poor girl.

[DebinNC]

I bet the "moocher" stats for Newark are a lot higher than 47%.

[narciso]

And the Hill has the Captain of the HMS Huntsman, crying Untergang

[GMAX]

BTW, I would trust that little weasel David Corn as far as I could throw him and even though I certainly would try to put him through the nearest wall, that is not much trust.

The tape had a gap, Corn knew and never mentioned it. Then Professor Jacobsen points it out, and he slyly inserts a something into his story.

The whole thing smells like the statement was edited to take out context, and while I view it as nothing more than a candidate telling the truth, I would expect that Corn would go out of his way to damage Romney and would participate in the edit, if he thought he might inflict more harm.

[Danube of Thought]

Hoo ha, Janet--I can't wait. I'm so sick of that glib fraud, and yearn for his public disgrace.

[Ignatz Ratzkywatzky]

Does this thread mean TM isn't "steamed" at Mitt anymore?
If so, whew.
If not, yike.

[Dave (in MA)]

“The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion dollars for the first 42 presidents — number 43 added $4 trillion dollars by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion dollars of debt that we are going to have to pay back — $30,000 for every man, woman and child.
That’s irresponsible. It’s unpatriotic.”

If $4T over 8 years is "unpatriotic", what's $6T over 4 years?

[Janet]

He destroyed that poor girl.

I think that too, Jim. I wouldn't cross the street to see Clinton.

...and I know a PX90 guy isn't eating pie this early in the morning.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Dave-

Bush's Fault.

[DebinNC]

David Corn led the outrage brigade during the Shirley Sherrod "was edited" saga.

[Danube of Thought]

The US has the most progressive tax system in the industrialized world. A site called Carpe Diem has published the income and taxation data from all the countries of the OECD.

They have calculated the share of income earned by the top 10% in each country, and the share of income tax paid by the top 10%

The ratio of the latter to the former is higher in the United States than in any other country--higher than France, higher than Sweden, you name it. Check out the link.

Yet no one dares mention lowering that ratio. All tax cuts must go to anyone other than "the rich." Any change in the tax code absolutely must be in the direction of more progressivity. It is as though it were a law of nature.

[Sue]

If $4T over 8 years is "unpatriotic", what's $6T over 4 years?

A democrat as president.

[narciso]

Booker is still releasing hostage tapes, I see.

[Melinda Romanoff]

DoT-

Prof. Mark Perry's Carpe Diem is always worth reading.

[Jim Ryan]

Janet,

Chocolate cheerios. I do Supreme 90 Day. We eat whatever, whenever we want. Oh, some homemade snickerdoodles just arrived at my desk. Folks, do Supreme 90 and stay ripped whilst consuming mixed nuts by the fistful.

[peter]

Great story about Monica Lewinsky. Thanks for posting, Janet. LUN

[Jack is Back]

DoT,

Where do you think the progressives who wrote the 16th Amendment got their ideas for a "progressive" income tax system?

If my memory of history serves me correct, it was the Communist Manifesto, no?

[Janet]

I do Supreme 90 Day.

Sorry. I get my extreme workouts confused...because...*cough,cough*...I pretty much don't work out. :(

(but the snickerdoodles sound good!...I do snickerdoodles)

[Ignatz Ratzkywatzky]

Suggested alternative thread title;

Moron Obama and Redistribution

[Jack is Back]

Here is an interesting little nugget for you polling mavens.

Phantom Polling Response in Pennsylvania

[Danube of Thought]

Let the disgust wash over you:

[Danube of Thought]

Raz:

Mitt Romney has now taken the lead in the swing state of New Hampshire. The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Voters in New Hampshire shows Romney with 48% support to President Obama’s 45%. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate, and three percent (3%) are undecided.

[Cecil Turner]

Disgust? I am tolerably amused. (The Groucho-lookalike in the background is a nice touch, BTW.)

[maryrose]

DOT and Janet:
To paraphrase Eastwood, You have made my day. Yes Clinton ruined her life and I hope this tarnishes Clinton's supposed 60% approval rating. I'm convinced we are a nation of amnesiacs.The man is a sexual predator. Of course he craves 3-ways. Hillary is a dolt for not throwing him out on his -ss years ago.
I am thrilled about Colorado and New Hampshire and I know Ohio will go Romney. If Florida holds I think with Virginia and North Carolina we have a winner. Can't wait for the doom scenario to play out over the arrogant one's head.

[Jane - Get off the couch your country needs you!]

A friend of mine, a former state (GOP)rep told me that he and his wife were with Clinton at one point and Clinton grabbed his wife's ass.

No surprise but sheesh!

[peter]

Obama had the audacity to actually tell a bold faced documented lie on Letterman but then Letterman's show is all about lies, slander and goofy rhetoric some have called comedy.

He said he did not want to see Letterman naked. That is a lie.

Une etoile est nee. LUN

[Clarice]

JB, that's to match up with the phantom voters in Philly.

[Clarice]

So--just to see if I have this straight:
1. David Corn invents the Plame as secret agent ruthlessly exposed to danger by the Bush administration to avenge Wilson's riticisms.
2. David Corn falsely accuses Breitbart of editing the Sherrod tape to make it look like she said something she didn't.
3. David Corn publicizes the Romney tape knowing a critical 1-2 minute part is missing and doesn't come clean about it until Prof Jacobsen lowers the boom on him.

He'll probably qualify for a Pulitzer or something.

[jimmyk]

The Groucho-lookalike in the background is a nice touch, BTW.

He's grinning because he sees where Clinton's right hand is.

[narciso]

You laugh, Clarice, as a college classmate was wont to say, but definitely stranger things have happened

[DebinNC]

Bryan Preston quotes Obama and Letterman last night:

“Here’s what I [Letterman] found troubling [at the Republicans' convention]…They had the clock, the debt countdown clock and, I mean, this thing is going like crazy and it’s several trillion dollars. Now, what is that?” Letterman asked. Obama responded with a selective edit of government spending, accusing his predecessor of choosing to “launch two wars” (the United States was attacked on 9-11-01, and responded). After that, Letterman asked for a hard debt figure: “Now, do you remember what that number was? Was it $10 trillion?”“I don’t remember what the number was precisely,” the president said.

The President of the United States claimed that he did not know, even to the round number of $16 trillion, how much debt the nation is in.

Ad please.

[Jack is Back]

En fait, son un trou noir, Peter

All the supermarket tabloids seem to be predicting Clenis' near term death from some form of STD? Syphillis?

[Porchlight]

So Obama is falling to earth in the polls even after Romney's supposed horrible week. Watch Dems for signs of panic.

[Porchlight]

NH: finally. I was wondering when reality was going to set in.

[Soylent Red]

Lots of George Allen signs. Not too many Tim Kaine ones. And this is a Dem area.

Romney stickers all over the place out here as well. I put them at a 2-1 lead over Obama 2012 stickers. Very strange for this town.

BTW Jim Ryan...where is the local RNC HQ? I need a barricade to report to.

[Jack is Back]

True story:

[DebinNC]

Obama on Letterman, just before par-taying with Beyonce, reassures our foreign service folks and their families at home:

“The message we have to send to the Muslim world is we expect you to work with us to keep our people safe,” Obama said during a taped interview with CBS’s David Letterman in New York. “We expect their full cooperation because that’s the only way the world works.”

[NK]

1998-- simpler times. Billy getting hummers from Monica, repub congress keeping taxes and Fed spending as low as possible, internet commerce, plentiful jobs, no Soviet Union, and if you heard the name Osama bin Laden, you would think of a Middle East food take out joint. That's why Billy boy has high approval from low info types-- simpler times. No times are harder and more dangerous, we have to get rid of this fraud JEF.

[NK]

No = Now times...

[MarkO]

Ken Starr's report, taken from sworn testimony, fully exposes Billy and his debauched way with the young help. She was 22.

A few of the things they did were carefully omitted from the public stories. Small wonder they set out to ruin Ken's life.

[I need to confess I went to law school with Ken and found him to be a most decent person.]

[Jim Ryan]

Soylent, I'm headed there now. The bldg at Albemarle Square, defunct bank bldg right on 29 as you turn into the mall. Near Outback steakhouse.

[NK]

DebinNC-- the JEF moron really said that? If he believes any of the crap he spouts, he's completely delusional.

[maryrose]

DEBinNC:
This "pie in the sky" idiot must be removed.
Can't we all just get along? Sheesh.

[Clarice]

Soylent, that can't possibly be true, the WaPo front page is reporting hoe Obama's walking away with Virginia.

[Danube of Thought]

Well, Libya wasn't exactly quiet--they brought down a plane over Lockerbie.

[NK]

...an Kh-Daffy was stockpiling chem/bio weapons.

[narciso]

Well that's true, Danube, and twenty three years later we released the one who ran the operations, in Europe, after having made a deal with his boss,about eight years earlier.

President 'I Won' needs Republicans to rubber stamp his failures.

[Threadkiller]

"Mike Zullo, the lead investigator in Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s investigation of Barack Obama’s eligibility to be president, says he has returned from a second trip to Hawaii with additional evidence the state’s Department of Health is maintaining a cover-up of Obama’s 1961 birth records.

When Arpaio dispatched Zullo for the second trip, the assignment was kept confidential for Zullo’s safety and to prevent media links. Only Arpaio and the chief deputy of the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office were aware of the assignment.

In Honolulu, Zullo worked closely with local contacts, including Duncan Sunahara, the brother of Virginia Sunahara, an infant child born in Hawaii Aug. 4, 1961, the same day Obama was born, and died the next day.

As WND reported, Virginia Sunahara entered as a figure in the Obama birth controversy because no birth certificate for her had been located, leading to speculation her birth certificate could have been the source of Obama’s.

Duncan Sunahara has tried to obtain a copy of his sister’s original birth certificate but has been denied.

“I was shocked by the lengths the Hawaii Department of Health has gone to deny the family of Virginia Sunahara a copy of the original long-form birth certificate that the family is lawfully entitled to request and obtain,” Zullo told WND. “I had to ask the question why this little girl’s 1961 long-form birth certificate was so disconcerting to the Hawaii Department of Health?”"

http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/arpaio-investigator-hawaii-still-covering-up-for-obama

[Captain Hate]

Small wonder they set out to ruin Ken's life.

Incredible hit job the MFM and serpent head Carville did on him. Matalin can stand being around that asshole; what does that tell you about her?

[DebinNC]

Link to Obama telling Letterman he expects "muslim world" to help keep "our people" safe. Preezy Talk Big and his wee, little stick.

[NK]

The more he campaigns the more I realize Bam is a continuous liar-- not just habitual -- continuous. He claims on Letterman he doesn't know the national debt, says it's not a problem. What an effin' liar-- 4 years ago less than 1/2 of that much debt was UNPATRIOTIC. Now it's not a problem. What an effin' liar.

[NK]

here's the Letterman debt link: http://washingtonexaminer.com/on-letterman-obama-says-he-cant-remember-the-national-debt/article/2508443?custom_click=rss

[dublindave]

Condemning Romney's Boca remarks is like a Boxer smack talking AFTER he's won the fight. It's over-it's been over for quite a while now and maybe it's for the best. If Romney is this bumbling with retail politics can you imagine what a disaster he'd be making decisions that have a global impact.

I think his plan to kick the Israel/Palestinian problem "down the road" was far more damaging blurb.

[Soylent Red]

I know the place Jim. Thanks.

Soylent, that can't possibly be true, the WaPo front page is reporting hoe Obama's walking away with Virginia.

Hoe Obama? That's no way to talk about FLOTUS!

Zero might get Virginia, but it won't be the geographic majority of the state. He will win Virginia by GOTV in blue Virginia.

As an aside, my informal conversations with people here and there in my travels tells me that Romney's so-called "gaffe" will resonate with a lot of people. It's not that Americans are stingy with their money or don't want to help people. It's that a lot of people I've talked to are sick of being taken advantage of. They don't trust Obama to cull the deadbeats out of the group the taxpayers are subsidizing, and in hard times they want to know that their money isn't being wasted.

[dublindave]

dub hungry...dub need drink.......obama give dub drink.....give drink dub.........government give dub drink......aaaaaaaahghghghghghgh...........dub like government......

[NK]

The only concern I have of legitimate votes in the entire country is NoVa.

[NK]

DD uses his own life as a syllogism@12:23 -- sad.

[Kurt]

Regarding Soylent Red and Jim Ryan's observations about Virginia, when I lived in the Charlottesville area(over 15 years ago), I was always under the impression that the city of Charlottesville was the Virginia equivalent of a Berkeley, Madison, or Ann Arbor, but that Albemarle County was much more conservative. Might the stickers and signs your seeing be more in the county than in the city? And even if the vote totals or enthusiasm are down in C-Ville, aren't both races (Senate and President) most likely to be decided by the margins in northern Virginia, where there are lots and lots of government workers, lobbyists and other kinds of "Beltway Bandits"?

[dublindave]

"They don't trust Obama to cull the deadbeats out of the group the taxpayers are subsidizing, and in hard times they want to know that their money isn't being wasted."

So you're suggesting we put old people, our brave men and women in uniform and the disabled in internment camps?

Surely there's a better way take care of the 47% of Americans who are lazy, shiftless victims wanting the Government to give them everything????

[Clarice]

The champagne tower at the Beyonce fundraiser that Obama did not want you to see..UK's Daily Mail, once again doing the job US press will not do:http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/19/article-2205541-1517E3ED000005DC-132_634x505.jpg

[Threadkiller]

The "major announcement":

"One million copies of the documentary film that presents evidence Barack Obama’s real father was Communist Party activist Frank Marshall Davis have been mailed to households in the crucial presidential-election swing state Ohio.

Filmmaker Joel Gilbert told WND his mass distribution of his documentary “Dreams from My Real Father” is an attempt to bypass an establishment media blackout.

Despite the fact that the DVD of his film has been the No. 1 documentary on Amazon.com for weeks, Gilbert said, the establishment media “is still refusing to cover the film, so it remains hard to break through nationally.”

With a population of more than 11 million, Ohio has an estimated 4.5 million households.

Gilbert also has sent another 100,000 copies to New Hampshire, and he has plans to send 1 million to six more swing states.

His effort through his company, Highway 61 Entertainment,is governed by the 2010 Citizens United Supreme Court decision, which barred government from restricting independent political expenditures by corporations and unions."

http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/media-bypass-dreams-from-my-real-father-mailed-to-1-million/?cat_orig=us

CH, let me know when it arrives.

[Rick Ballard]

"Ken Starr's report, taken from sworn testimony, fully exposes Billy and his debauched way with the young help."

MarkO,

That's just silly. If such a thing as a "Starr Report" actually existed, anyone could go to the National Archives Section on Special Prosecutors and Independent Counsel and read it for themselves. A search of the National Archives reveals that a Kenneth Starr does exist - he had something to do with arch-conservative Chief Justice John Roberts - but there is no such thing as a "Starr Report". Apparently there never has been.

[Tonto]

@Clarice from the discussion two threads back ...

Someone I know was diagnosed with spinal stenosis when he was in high school -- he was told he would eventually be wheel-chair bound. Anyway, he discovered -- and swears by -- the Feldenkrais Method, which was developed by an Israeli physicist in the 50s and 60s (at least he ended up an Israeli, started life in the USSR). This guy is now in his mid-40s and very active. He bikes, hikes, etc. He credits his back health to FM. It's a little woo-woo for my tastes, but if it works ... might be something to consider before going under the knife.

On another topic. Early in the Clinton Administration when they were fighting back against those anti-healthcare ads (can't remember the name of the fictional couple in the ads), the Administration recruited comedy writers to write snappy come-back ads. Marilyn Miller, who wrote for Saturday Night Live, was in the WH, working with a comedy writing team on the pro-HIllary care skits, and said BC got her alone and tried to feel her up. She was, by the way, just recovering from breast cancer.

However, she was incredibly flattered (I think that's one of the reasons BC often went after women not considered terribly attractive). She's an enthusiastic lefty, natch, and was just surprised at his audacity -- Hillary was in the next room. Heard the story from MM herself.

[Ranger]

Watch Dems for signs of panic.

The Romney "secret tape" was the first sign of Dem panic this week.

Obama was set to shift to a foreign policy campaign, and the last week demolished that. They needed to change the subject and stem the damage.

[maryrose]

TK;
I'll let you know if a copy comes my way.

[Threadkiller]

"This board has not been updated in a year because this isn't a place for discussion, this is a place for evidence. However, having beaten the living stuffing out of any credibility the fake birth certificate may possess - a birth certificate which law enforcement has catagorically deemed an illegal forgery - we have something that the explains, with apparent near-certainty, why the forgery was created. This is not a small matter; it seems the only thing that law enforcement was lacking to finger Obama directly in the investigation of the forgery was a motivation for the crime. That appears to be solved. Doing an extensive graphic analysis, following up on investigative leads from World Net Daily's Dr Jerome Corsi, and courageous filmmaker Joel Gilbert, I am prepared to state that I am 100% convinced that Corsi and Gilbert are correct in their investigations:

CONCLUSION: Obama's father is not Barack Obama Sr, but notorious and ultra-radical infamous Communist activist Frank Marshall Davis. And if the angry son of Frank Marshall Davis, raised in an horrendous family situation and politically cultivated since birth by communists, is in charge of the United States, its people, its economy, its international relations and has his finger on the nuclear codes, then the situation is not simply an outrage, it is truly alarming."

http://www.evidencevault.blogspot.com/2012/09/ibamas-fake-nativity-story-comes-to-end.html?

That would render Obama a Natural Born Citizen.

[Janet]

[I need to confess I went to law school with Ken and found him to be a most decent person.]

He went to my church. He helped tutor kids at one of our ministries called The House - an after school youth center near Anacostia HS.

Can you imagine if Monica was YOUR daughter. 22, gets an internship at the WH...

[Threadkiller]

Thanks maryrose!

[NK]

TK@12:36-- well I'm glad that's settled.

[Threadkiller]

LOL NK!!!

[Jim Ryan]

WAPO: Obama has Virginia in the bag, 52 to 44 (likely voters).

Democrat 32%
Republican 24%
Independent 35%

Rick?

[Jim Ryan]

I can't stand it. It's like each thread whispers "I'm subliminally a DoT-TK birther thread" over and over and over. I feel like I'm losing my mind.

[dublindave]

"DD uses his own life as a syllogism@12:23 -- sad."

There are more of us than there are of you. We don't have as much as you do so we'll use "Democracy" and the legislative gears of Washington to take what you have and share it out among the rest of us. The kicker is while we're sitting on our couches or porches eating and the drinking the fruits of your hard work we'll be expecting you to work EVEN harder to keep us in the manner we're accustomed to. The more that gets re-distributed the longer hours you're going to have to put in.

So chop chop...dubby needs new shoes!!!!!

[Jack is Back]

DoT,

I think the point that poster was trying to make was the fact that Reagan retaliated with armed might. Between NSA, the CIA and DIA I'll wager they know where the creeps came from and where they staged and retreated to. But that would be too much for the Drone King to handle while smooching the money guys in Vegas.

[Ignatz Ratzkywatzky]

--That would render Obama a Natural Born Citizen.

Posted by: Threadkiller | September 19, 2012 at 12:36 PM--

He may be a commie pinko out to destroy the US, but at least he's our commie pinko.

[DebinNC]

Jim Ryan, resistance is futile.

[Threadkiller]

Relax, Jim. I no longer debate DoT on the subject. Just posting links and quotes.

If the quotes are too long, I apologize. I will trim them down.

[Porchlight]

The Romney "secret tape" was the first sign of Dem panic this week.

Think so too, Ranger. Pinhead Troika gave David Corn the high sign and off they went.

Romney should make a big loud deal out of the missing minutes on the tape.

[Porchlight]

Wow, that is some story, Tonto.

I did not know that the Clinton WH worked actively with SNL. Do the Obama folks do this, too?

[Threadkiller]

Another video:

" NEW YORK –A 1995 video depicts Barack Obama calling for “democracy with a small ‘d,’” while pushing a society based on collectivism and “common good.”

In the video unearthed by KleinOnline, Obama hails unions and collective bargaining as encapsulating the societal “common good” of which he speaks.

Obama urges society to collectively move “forward” –a word that would later serve as his 2012 campaign slogan.

Obama was speaking in an Aug. 11, 1995 interview pushing his just published book, “Dreams From My Father.” At the time, Obama was a community organizer planning to launch a political career.

Obama tells the interviewer the “best part” of the dream of his “African father and white American mother,” was the “notion that we collectively can decide on our fate.”

He continued: “That things like technological change, things like mass media, things like the market are all subject to our control. That we can make decisions for better or for worse and continue to move forward and progress.”"

http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/obama-calls-for-democracy-with-a-small-d/

[Ignatz Ratzkywatzky]

I wonder if Mitt's campaign really does think they're behind.
Their sending WeeDavey out to parody the leeches of society seems to support the supposition.
I just wish someone would tell them his 'yes the left is even more disgusting than you thought' schtick would be much more effective on a site visited by the muddle rather than thinking people who already know the truth.

[Melinda Romanoff]

JR-

Rick held class early this AM on an earlier thread.

The lecture notes are here.

[Jim Ryan]

Don't go changin' on me, TK.

[Threadkiller]

;-)