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Melinda Romanoff

He'll be taking over when?

So he thinks.

They may lose "The Telly Tax" on this one.

PD

their imagined brand

Excellent.

Porchlight

Scandals like this one and Penn State (and Lance Armstrong's doping, though that is much less serious) should be a reminder to everyone of the weakness of the following CW:

"Conspiracy Theory X must be false because think of how many people would have had to have known about this and not said anything - if it were true it would have leaked by now."

In fact, massive coverups involving large numbers of people who know, and do not tell, do happen and can go on for many years, even decades.

Sue

"All the News That Jumps In Our Lap and Slaps Our Face".

Isn't that their motto already?

Hope dawns

The British are getting heated up about the deliberate role the BBC has played in pushing the certainty of the climate consensus.

An anti-windmill and pro frakking politician has recently been appointed Environment Minister over there.
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Danube of Thought on Ipad

I don't think that's true in the case of victims of pedophiles, Porch. They don't remain quiet because they're engaged in a coverup, they do so because they're afraid and ashamed.

NK

What is The new York Times?

James D.

From the previous thread:
I think Paglia's view about abortion is a hell of a lot more honest than the common liberal views about it. It reduces the argument to the basic question, do women have the right to murder their children?

The prog left thinks so. They've got no problem with murder in the womb. They've got no problem with murder for a while after birth, in the case of babies with severe dissabilities. They've got no problems with murder of the elderly, either.

The only people they actually oppose killing are violent criminals and enemies who want to harm our country.

Neo

Oct 24 (Reuters) - Donald Trump offered to pay $5 million to the charity of President Barack Obama's choice if Obama releases his college and passport records, the real estate mogul and television personality said on Wednesday.

"Frankly, it's a check that I very much want to write," Trump said in a YouTube video released via his Twitter and Facebook pages.

Melinda Romanoff

I'll take birdcage linings for $600, Alex.

Melinda Romanoff

James O'Keefe has fresh shells in his video unit.-Twitchy

Melinda Romanoff

And it's Jim Moran's son.

Heh.

Neo

Trump has given Obama till Oct 31 to collect

Danube of Thought on Ipad

Gallup daily LV horserace: Romney 50, Obama 47.

Jack is Back

Mark Thompson is the perfect candidate for the NY Slimes. A super Red left wing elitist coming from a broadcast equivalent of the NY Slimes with a similar cast of useful idiots. The only thing different for Thompson to endure will be the tony beach house in Easthampton versus the Tuscan villa each summer.

NK

Moran's son, Moran, the Moran family dog... they should all be hauled of to prison.

Frau Zynisch

I agree JiB. Mark Thompson fits right in at the Gray Slut.

NK

During Op Iraqi Freedom, BBC World News was far more anti-american (OK anti Booosh) than French 24 World News.

Porchlight

They don't remain quiet because they're engaged in a coverup, they do so because they're afraid and ashamed.

I agree, DoT, but I was thinking of the adults, not the victims. You can't abuse 200 children and not have other adults know about it. The articles talk about how the rumors had been around for decades.

Some Guy

Troll Warning... This is linked at Insty

Dave (in MA)

Melinda Romanoff | October 24, 2012 at 12:56 PM

But... Seamus.

Captain Hate

Scandals like this one and Penn State

Speaking of which, does anybody know if there's a continuing investigation into Sandusky's activities per The Second Mile? I read some highly disturbing reports that the Penn State stuff was merely the tip of the iceberg and this was part of a network that extended far beyond Happy Valley. Granted anybody can make stuff up like this on the internet but if it's true it is a major deal.

JM Hanes

Porchlight:

"Conspiracy Theory X must be false because...."

Food for serious thought. I've made that default assumption any number of times, perhaps too easily.

Chubby

((The prog left thinks so. They've got no problem with murder in the womb. ))

once again, the point that Paglia makes is that the majority of pro choice women deny abortion is murder. and she's exactly right, they do.

Captain Hate

Food for serious thought. I've made that default assumption any number of times, perhaps too easily.

Eh, it's usually a good default assumption to be incredulous when faced with something very large which has been covered up. Otherwise we'd all think like Rosie O'Besity.

Janet

On FB -
"Hating Breitbart
Coming to theaters in The Woodlands, Texas, Scottsdale, Arizona, Denver, Colorado, and all over Wisconsin November 2nd. Will know more soon!"

Rick Ballard

I would think Thompson's proven ability to provide cover for a filthy degenerate would have been weighed in a very positive manner by the New York Times. It's Job #1 in their mission statement and the reason for the Times' continued existence.

What's the problem?

NK

RickB-- who's the NYT degenerate?

henry

Rick, except we know about it because the cover-up failed in the end. That is inexcusable to the progs.

Porchlight

Eh, it's usually a good default assumption to be incredulous when faced with something very large which has been covered up.

That's fair. But it does help to remember that coverups do happen and at very high levels, sometimes for long periods of time.

Look how long it took to get information about the Holocaust and the Soviet purges. And this was millions of people being murdered in cold blood. And even then you had theoretically respectable people in positions of authority here in the US saying it wasn't true.

Janet

My Naomi was at that game Captain! She said the military appreciation half time was great.

cathyf
"Conspiracy Theory X must be false because think of how many people would have had to have known about this and not said anything - if it were true it would have leaked by now."
A lot of times the fallacy is in the "about this" part. In many of these cases there are a huge number of people who know some tiny piece, and each tiny piece really is of little significance. Hindsight blindness...

In cases like this you end up with hundreds of people who, with the benefit of hindsight, see the "real" significance of things that they thought had some innocent explanation. But even then, SOME of those people saw/heard things that really DID have some innocent explanation.

I think what is not really appreciated is that the slimeballs who get away with huge levels of evil are the ones who are very, very good at it. The less competent get caught early.

NK

NYT Coverage of BBC Sex Scandal-- I'm sure the NYT will cover the BBC scandal as vigorously as Penn State, and the Editorial Board will publish unsparring 'accountability' editorials, as they did regarding Paterno.

Porchlight

In many of these cases there are a huge number of people who know some tiny piece, and each tiny piece really is of little significance.

Great point cathyf. But at least in the case of Penn State, you had someone like McQueary who knew *for sure* because he witnessed it. And undoubtedly many others including Paterno. And the victims of course.


the slimeballs who get away with huge levels of evil are the ones who are very, very good at it.

Yes. And they may also be highly valued for other reasons (Savile and Sandusky probably both fall into this category) and so are given much more latitude by their enablers.

And some never get caught, of course.

Chubby

TK, they are playing the evade, evade, evade, run out the clock game, until election day. Sounds like Hillary and Obama are on the same page. The video also shows her sharing similar speech pattern to Obama: uh...uh....y'know... uh....uh..... y'know

Danube of Thought on Ipad

We're probably talking about two subtly different things here. I'm using "conspiracy" in the sense of an agreement to commit an unlawful act. The larger they are, the more likely it is that the beans get spilled, especially if spilling is worth money. Or at the first hint of law enforcement interest, one comes forward with his lawyer to cut a deal.

That's different from a group of people, all of whom have heard distasteful rumors, refraining from coming forward, particularly if they don't have proof.

Porchlight

I gotcha, DoT - maybe replace "conspiracy" in my above comments with "scandal," if that helps.

Porchlight

On a different topic, here is something that I know will make you all reach for your tissue boxes:

Daily Beast: Netroots Bloggers Mark 10th Anniversary In Decline And Struggling For Survival

Jack is Back

CH,

Been meaning to mention that Mrs. JiB's has a dentist whose name is Dr. Hate (pronounced Ah-tay). He's Lebanese-American.

It appears that instead of posting to this thread, Megyn Kelly is going to do her own segment on Mark Thompson and the Jimmy Saville kerfuffle. Next segment on her show at Fox News.

cathyf
But at least in the case of Penn State, you had someone like McQueary who knew *for sure* because he witnessed it. And undoubtedly many others including Paterno.
I think you're wrong about the "undoubtedly" part... To take the McQueary example -- I have always been mighty suspicious of his story about exactly what sort of alarm he raised about Sandusky. His story is that he told 4 people right away -- his father, Paterno, and 2 college administrators. Yes, it's possible that none of these five people went to the police even though they either knew (McQueary) or had heard of Sandusky's actions. But it's just a more believable story that McQueary (ONE person) soft-peddled the accusation. (For example, by the time he told the story it was that Sandusky and the boy were both naked in the shower. Which is surely unwise, but a LONG way from sodomy!) So it's easy to see how it can happen -- a large number of people know little pieces, but nobody connects those dots; a tiny number of people have hard evidence of wrongdoing and simply turn into cowards. THAT is way more believable than the large number of people who all have hard evidence and are all cowards.
narciso

About Pickering I'm not terribly surprised, they have their pawn in place, as with Kean and his Hess Directorship with the AlaMoudis, through Delta
Oil, and associated with Joe Wilson,

Rob Crawford

Can anyone think of a better pairing than the BBC and the NYT? Both are establishment organs, focused on maintaining their power even at the price of the very existence of reality.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--Eh, it's usually a good default assumption to be incredulous when faced with something very large which has been covered up. Otherwise we'd all think like Rosie O'Besity.

Posted by: Captain Hate | October 24, 2012 at 01:30 PM -

Unfortunately the default position for many also seems to be lumping any alleged conspiracy or coverup in with every other, no matter how dissimilar, along with an indiscriminate and immediate dismissal of anyone making the allegation.

It's that default position and the unwillingness to treat each event individually that makes covering the real crimes and scandals up so much easier amidst all the crackpot theories.

Jack is Back

Looks like they have caught the BBC in a lie about why the Newsnight investigatory story was shelved. New Director Entwistle is contradicting Thompson and others.

Scotland Yard is on the case, guv.

Captain Hate

It's that default position and the unwillingness to treat each event individually that makes covering the real crimes and scandals up so much easier amidst all the crackpot theories.

I've said all along about the Penn State thing that it was like the Sopranos being located out in the middle of nowhere. I've still yet to hear an explanation of what happened to the original investigator who disappeared and they've only found his car in a body of water and computer with the hard drive removed. The willingness of the Cult of football to continue to place all the blame on Sandusky and thinking the problem ends with him just points out how delusional they are. They continue to post things on Facebook that should be embarrassing to everybody associated with the school.

rse

Couple of comments from this morning-

The CA general consul spoke and made the extent of the Corporatist vision crystal clear.

A VP from one of the big tech cos made a Freudian slip referring to the "Next Administration" and concern that they might derail the Science Standards. Dr J says Please do and quickly.

And I had never met former NYC chancellor Joel before. Let's just say it bothers me greatly jeb has him on his board. That is not the guidance the RR team needs to be getting. I found it to be a troubling presentation but people all over were nodding at the wonders of a tablet for all.

narciso

The Luca case, sounds right of out Law & Order, specially the one with the fake lawyer being blackmailed by the two mobsters,

MAM

Rick Ballard - Question for you. Are the Gallup numbers sign of a bounce for Obama from the last debate or a sign of undecideds backing off from Mitt - or just statistical noise. Also, what % of undedicideds typically go for the challenger vs the incumbent. These swing states are too close for me although I think we have NC,FLA, VA and CO. Getting Ohio will just make election night so much easier to deal with because it could be over early. Also - Allred was such a bust as was the Donald.

James D.

The willingness of the Cult of football to continue to place all the blame on Sandusky and thinking the problem ends with him just points out how delusional they are.

I think this is exactly why the BBC scandal is going to be a LOT worse and have far more consequences to many more people than Penn State did (even aside from the size and importance of the organizations involved).

Sandusky is alive to hate and to blame and to punish. All of which he deserves, obviously. But everything directed towards him is not directed at anybody else.

Jimmy Savile is dead. A lot of the outrage over what he did is going to be targeted elsewhere, because a dead man just isn't a "satisfying" (not really the right word, but I can't think of another one that fits) enough target for all the anger and pain that is out there.

centralcal

Well, this is an interesting comment to make in the White House press room!

Jay Carney: "I am gonna shuck and jive."

Rob Crawford
James O'Keefe has fresh shells in his video unit.

And, oh my, it's a doozy. Campaign and party agreeing to collude in commission of in-person vote fraud.

The reporter tells Moran he is looking to vote in other people’s names — 100 names, to be exact. He asks Moran for help in seeing it through. Moran’s solution: prepare fake utility bills in order to skirt voter ID laws. Moran goes on to tell the reporter that a DNC attorney would gladly argue on the fraudster’s behalf. In other words, Moran and the DNC would be complicit in the voter fraud.

Well, it settles the argument as to whether Democrats are against voter ID because of honest fears of people being disenfranchised, or because they need to protect vote fraud.

They need to protect vote fraud.

Jane - Mock the media

Apparently it is teh Boston Globe not Alred who asked to have the records unsealed.

narciso

I noticed neither the Post, my local McClatchy or even the Journal, really carried the Reuters story
today, at least on dead tree.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

-- The willingness of the Cult of football to continue to place all the blame on Sandusky and thinking the problem ends with him just points out how delusional they are. They continue to post things on Facebook that should be embarrassing to everybody associated with the school.

Posted by: Captain Hate | October 24, 2012 at 02:38 PM--

I'm pretty sure, considering how societal pressures can operate, that the voice of one crying in the wilderness is more rare than large numbers of people remaining silent while scandals and crimes occur.
It usually takes some outside force to break them open.
Had Bryan Terry not been murdered would we have ever heard a peep about F&F, even though hundreds of Mexicans were murdered with F&F guns?

narciso

Which really means the NY Times,Jane, is really involved, Carlos Slim's clique of blind wombats
are on the case.

Captain Hate

Tammy Bruce: Isn't a orange prison suit kind of like a pant suit?

MarkO

One other thing is true, you cannot successfully prosecute a well run conspiracy.

This is, in my view, the reason it might appear the US does not have enough regulations in the securities and finance industries.

Captain Hate

When you've lost the gap-toothed imbecile...

D-man

Love the Times' new slogan the open-door policy!

narciso

They do know what is important whatever,

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeffrey-meyer/2012/10/24/nbc-news-ignores-emails-showing-white-house-knew-libya-attack-was-ter

now this is not merely ignorance, he would replacing Lugar who was actually impressed by that first Benghazi briefing;

Rick Ballard

MAM,

It's about 70% noise, 30% outright lying at the moment. If we're very fortunate, this election should ruin polling, dropping its propaganda value to something similar to the MFM in terms of respect and trust. Ten thousand out of eleven thousand Americans currently refuse any contact with pollsters and a cursory glance at the response rate concerning "already voted" suggests at least 250 of the 1,000 who do respond, lie like Persian rugs.

As they should.

The Ohio polling doesn't mean anything due to its conflict with both the swing state and national polls. Ohio does not lead, it follows. There ain't no firewall and there never has been.

Clarice

CH I forgot all about the link to the missing US Atty. OMG!

MarkO

The longer this Lybia thing goes, the more our nasty little man looks like Nixon.

narciso

Nixon's so penny ante, in this scheme of things, it's a pitiful comparison, MarkO, and this ties
directly to the turmoil in Syria, supported by the money men, involved in Libya, Egypt, and the competitors with the Sauds.

Scrambling the signal, honing the narrative.

It wasn't even the crime, it was the cover-up. This time there is big time crime. And look at the press.
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Danube of Thought on Ipad

Look at the polls in the RCP horserace average. If the pollsters are all lying, they're telling remarkably similar lies, and if they're propagandists it's hard to say for whom.

Rob Crawford

Nixon, for all his faults, had more respect for the country and its institutions. Watergate was his staff doing to their political opponents what had been doing to him for decades.

Danube of Thought on Ipad

"doing to their political opponents what had been doing to him for decades."

Did anybody break in to Nixon's office? His shrink's office?

NK

I agree that Nixon proves that a paranoid personality as POTUS is less worse than a narcissist like JEF and Nixon was trapped by a new mentality in the media to use 'investigative' journalism to nail public figures (the media didn't dish dirt on LBJ, JFK and FDR). But Nixon's paranoia caused him to do terrible things against private citizens and then lie about it. He rightly was forced to resign.

C.R.

CH, I read an article in the NY Daily News at the end of Sept. regarding an accusation that made connecting a sex abuse scandal of a prep football coach to the Second Mile foundation. LUN

narciso

No, Danube, they taped his conversations at the Hotel Pierre, bugged his plane, audited his taxes,
they usually used a more privatized outfit then CREEP, like Intertel, full of fmr Kennedy loyalists.

C.R.

Mark Steyns initial, non-lawyerly response to the lawsuit filed against him:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/331497/nobel-mann-takes-revolting-peasants-mark-steyn

PD

C.R.'s link

Rob Crawford
Did anybody break in to Nixon's office? His shrink's office?

His doctor's office, yes.

C.R.

Oh well - Steyn is in the LUN

C.R.

Thank you, PD

Rick Ballard

DoT,

Try reading a little more carefully. I didn't say pollsters were lying, I said that, based upon the response to the "already voted" question, 250 out of the 1,000 respondents out of the 11,000 attempted contacts were lying. It's that or the pollsters are so inept in their sampling that they are finding samples including ten times as many respondents who have actually voted in comparison with the enumerations done by election officials.

I'm quite willing to stipulate that pollsters still using D+3 aren't lying, they're just so incompetent that their results are even more worthless than the 'true professionals'.

narciso

She forgets how they boasted of it, during the Arab Spring, as the medium;


http://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-u-doesnt-rely-facebook-intelligence-190701408.html

Some Guy

Hey you barristers out there...

Does Mann's false claim about being awarded a Nobel Prize, and that it was stated in his press release regarding the suit, create something that can be used to impeach his testimony or credibility?

I doubt it, but it would be very funny.

NK

Mark Steyn-- I'm sure his attorneys are enjoying his personal response to Mann's press release. I know Mann will use leftwing lawyers by the boatload to try to intimidate and get a 'we're sorry' letter from Steyn and NRO-- somehow, I don't think that's gonna happen from Steyn.

Janet

The Steyn link is GREAT. Oh my goodness...all the lefties are a bunch of pompous asses. To use Cheney's line -
They fill the air with vague & useless platitudes!

Ranger

Look at the polls in the RCP horserace average. If the pollsters are all lying, they're telling remarkably similar lies, and if they're propagandists it's hard to say for whom.

It is interesting to watch the different polling groups. TIPP is still getting a D+7 sample, but Gallup is finding pretty close to even between the parties. Not sure how that happens, unless TIPP is somehow managing to oversample Dem heavy areas.

Janet

Here's a new one for me - President Owebama
Hah! It's from a comment at this article -
"City of Springfield out of options on Obama/Biden bill"

NK

Springfield out $50K-- JEF's a grifter. Leaves unpaid bills behind -- US taxpayers are just the next and biggest patsy.

Some Guy

I can't believe what I just saw...

I'm in the middle of an ohhh soooo sophisticated bluest of the blue areas of the country, and I just drove past one of our very poshest of jewelery-store-lighting-supermarkets, and some people were setting up a booth with "Save NASA, Impeach Obama" and O with a Hitler 'stache and other nonsense on posters.

If you asked me a day ago if that was possible in this area, I would have categorically said 'no!'.

It's so weird that I wonder if it isn't a fake intended to rally support for the LightOne.

Jack is Back

Reading Steyn, I have to tell Mrs. JiB the good news that she has just won the Nobel Peace Prize. We have a big Volunteer Appreciation dinner tonight and I am inclined to announce this to everyone there.

Melinda Romanoff

Some Guy-

Sounds like a LaRouche event. I see 'em quarterly.

Steve would enjoy them.

OldTimer

RNC - #closingthegap:

Republicans are outperforming our voter registration in absentee requests by 4 points in NH

Dems are underperforming in AB/EV in OH and GOP is over-performing. The result? A new swing of 13.54 % pts in favor of GOP

GOP has seen 62% growth in early voter turnout compared to this point in 2008, while Dems have only seen 14% growth in NV.

OldTimer

RNC - #closingthegap:

Republicans are outperforming our voter registration in absentee requests by 4 points in NH

Dems are underperforming in AB/EV in OH and GOP is over-performing. The result? A new swing of 13.54 % pts in favor of GOP

GOP has seen 62% growth in early voter turnout compared to this point in 2008, while Dems have only seen 14% growth in NV.

Rob Crawford
It is interesting to watch the different polling groups. TIPP is still getting a D+7 sample, but Gallup is finding pretty close to even between the parties. Not sure how that happens, unless TIPP is somehow managing to oversample Dem heavy areas.

Is that what their sample is showing, is that the turnout model they're assuming?

Homer Simpson

Springfield out $50K-- JEF's a grifter.

D'oh!

MAM

Rick - do you think that this election will be a D+3? I think Romney wins with D+3 if he takes indies by 8 or more. Am I reaching? And I agree that poll respondents often lie. I have been polled many times during this election and for some reason, I like to tell them that I am in my 20's so that the pollster will stress about Obama losing the young vote!!

OldTimer

Don't know why it dittoed!

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