Four More Years

The networks call Ohio and the election for Obama. Florida is still up in the air but looks like an Obama state as well. We keep a Republican House and a Democratic Senate. And all by a civilized hour!

Hmm - the Republican wave I was expecting is a bit smaller and later than I had hoped. That said, Drudge is flagging Romney's lead in the popular vote. What's the expression?  Turnabout is sauce for the gander.

 

Comments

[peter]

What a disaster. Lost seats in the Senate and re-elected the worst President ever. Holy freakin' cripes

[Elroy Jetson]

If the projections hold, my reaction is one I stole from another site- Now I know how liberals felt in 2004.
However, in 2004, the economy was decent and our foreign policy was a nightmare. In 2012, they are both a nightmare.

[PD]

One bit of good news: Paul Ryan won re-election to his seat in the House.

[Kat]

Well, enjoy it liberal boys and girls. Reality and this math thing is is a bitch.

[Janet]

What a disaster. Lost seats in the Senate and re-elected the worst President ever. Holy freakin' cripes

Ditto

[Threadkiller]

" Exclusive: Christopher Monckton of Brenchley shares affidavit on birth certificate forgery.

As I write, it is not yet clear who has won the presidential election. Win or lose, though, Mr Obama was notandisnotthe president. The Hawaiian long-form “birth certificate” he publicly endorsedandposted at the White House website last year as proof that he was born in the jurisdiction of the U.S. and is thus constitutionally eligible to be president is a forgery.

I can prove it...."

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/win-or-lose-obama-was-not-and-is-not-the-president/

[boris]

Expect the dimorats to scold the Galts and Samsons for not pitching in more to pull the economy out of the ditch.

Well as I stand there sipping my slurpee this will playing in my head.

Wish that you had my sympathy
You aint got no hold on me
And my heart is getting cold
Cuz I still got a hard way to go.

And it's a crying shame
That you can't lay the blame
On anybody else but yourself.

[Stephanie]

Expect companies to start the layoff tomorrow. Expect the corporations to do a Lucas and sell out.

[PD]

Romney ahead in the vote count in Ohio at the moment. Still a bunch of votes from up north to count, though.

[caro]

Mitt would have been a really good president. We have now lost the benefits of his many strengths for good. A real loss to our beloved country.

[Publius of Idaho]

Tell me again this drivel about how we must nominate Romney because he is the only one who can defeat JugEars!

[Danube of Thought on IPad]

I have learned a great deal about polling organizations. Namely, that they are not (in the main) corrupt; that they are not propagandists; that it is idle to discount them on the basis of their "internals"; and that what they foretell on the eve of a national election--even a very close one--should be taken very, very seriously.

[squaredance]

This is quite possibly the worst thing to ever befall the USA.

Do not think that it is a matter of "their policies not working"; that disaster will strike them and we will eventually get back to normal.

Their true policies are working. They mean to destroy the white middle class as they once destroyed the old WASP ascendancy.

Oligarchical Collectivism remains in power. Never once was it voted out. It can weather the worst economic conditions for decades. Look how long the USSR lasted, or how long the socialist have maintained their power in Mexico.

they want the rest of us impoverished. They want America to be a third rate nation.

We are dealing with a great and very real evil here. We are not dealing with misguide naifs.

What fools Americans have become.

[PD]

"Voting is the best revenge."

I take that to mean that, although Barack Obama is my president, *he* probably doesn't really think of himself as president of people like me.

It's a bad day for the country when you have a president who thinks in terms of revenge against half of its citizens.

[Sara]

Maybe we could entice him to run for Governor of California and save us from fiscal disaster and Jerry Brown.

[Stephanie]

Suggest everyone max out their tax deductions to 9 and starve the government of money.

[PD]

Tell me again this drivel about how we must nominate Romney because he is the only one who can defeat JugEars!

I don't think we really want to turn on each other here. It's clear who we we need to oppose.

[Dave (in MA)]

On FB 5 min ago...
Bill Whittle
Stratosphere Lounge TONIGHT. Give me about an hour to get home and set up. TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS, I've been thinking about what we would do tonight for two years now. Gather round. Be there as soon as I can
Could be interesting if I have, as I anticipate, insomnia.

[Elroy Jetson]

Caro:
I agree. If this plays out like it appears, we have missed an opportunity to start to turn things around. Romney is a good man with America's best interests at heart. It's difficult to figure out if Obama feels the same way, to say the least.

[Janet]

on FB -
Dear Mr. Putin.....Obama has more flexibility now.

[Dave (in MA)]

How does Romney's handlers' decision to have him just run out the clock nancing around in the last 3 debates look now?

[Thomas Collins]

It's tough when the progressive movement has most of mainstream media and most schools in their tentacles. However, those of us who maintain that an America devoted to the self-evident truths must not perish have more energy, brains and skills than the nannystaters. Our energy, brains and skills will be tested over the next four years. We are up to the test. But tonight, it's probably better to realize that our fellow Americans (in my case most of my non-online friends, my family and my co-workers) have made a bad mistake, to rest tonight and to get up tomorrow grimly determined that the prog state of affairs will not stand. We'll figure it out. And accompanying our grim determination will be a sense of joy in all that is good in our lives, not the least of which is that we live our lives outside of the abyss of post-modern degraded irony.

[Clarice]

The food's been gobbled up. The guests have left. The house is tidied up and my heart is broken for this nation,

[Dave (in MA)]

2.

[Kat]

I wa hoping for great country revival . I aw hoping to do well and and give my house keeper a rise. Now I I'll have to ask her to accept lower wages, if not, I m cleaning the house myself. Sorry , dears. That's the world turns.

[jimmyk]

I must say, it's hard to find much to disagree with in squaredance's 11:57.

[OldTimer]

With 17% of precincts reporting in Utah's 4th District, Jim Matheson leads with 51% to Mia Love's 46%.

Good grief. We might not even rid ourselves of Matheson in Utah.

[Danube of Thought on IPad]

"Tell me again this drivel about how we must nominate Romney because he is the only one who can defeat JugEars"

Tell us again about which of the other candidates had a better chance.

And try to do it with a straight face, moron.

[Sara]

Okay guys and gals, thanks for everything. I am off to find something other than politics on TV. This is just too depressing.

[Janet]

Can you believe that the party that dressed in vagina costumes won? An entire convention about killing babies & condoms...with special guest - Nun on a bus....& they won? It is madness....

[Publius of Idaho]

The contempt that I hold for Chief Justice John Roberts tonight goes beyond my ability to describe.

[Danube of Thought on IPad]

No country for old men.

[boris]

"just run out the clock nancing around in the last 3 debates"

My guess is Obama has tapped into and legitimized resentment toward the prosperous private sector. My guess is Ayers and others have fed several generations of young a steady diet of that resentment being some kind of noble "ideal".

If so it could explain dimorat turnout based on resentment rather than enthusiasm. It may have been just my imagination but when I voted the unusually long line of people registering to vote looked more like unhappy revengers to me than hopers ... and what crossed my mind was "uh oh".

[Enlightened]

Well I am very happy to know my 25 year old son and his 22 year old girlfriend and their whole group of friends since grade voted RR and are VERY upset about this outcome. Educate as many young people you can - in 4 years this jerkwad is out and we need to start now. After all tomorrow is another day. I plan on hittin up HARP II for starters. I like the idea of upping my deductions to 9 also. I'm energized.

PS TO MR AND MRS ROMNEY AND MR AND MRS RYAN - HATS OFF TO YOU, I AM HONORED TO HAVE VOTED FOR YOU TONIGHT. THE LOSERS IN THE WHITE HOUSE WILL NEVER HAVE AS MUCH CLASS OR DIGNITY THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PINKY. GOOD LUCK IN ALL YOUR FUTURE ENDEAVORS.

[Disillusionist]

Expect the Republican House to roll over regularly, or simply be ignored by El Jefe, since it's worked so far and Congress has apparently decided to surrender its powers to the Supreme Executive.

The only funny part will be watching El Dumbo trying to figure out who to blame it on when the coming Obamacare tidal wave pushes us into a full-blow depression.

We're doomed - I feel I should tell my daughters that today was the best day of the rest of their lives (at 19 and 16), because it's all downhill from here. F*** me.

[caro]

Sara, try Flashpoint
We will feel numb for awhile.

[Publius of Idaho]

TC

Our fellow Americans made a bad mistake in 2008. Today, our fellow Americans demonstrated unbridled stupidity!

[bunkerbuster]

Obama's re-election doesn't spell the end of the paranoid style of white identity politics, aka wingnuttery, as it will live on in forums like this one and wherever low-information loudmouths vent their bitter resentments and intellectual inferiority complexes.
But the President's victory does mean the Republican party is likely to abandon this path and, one hopes, seek a more thoughtful type of libertarian conservatism that is strong enough and big-minded enough to understand the essential roles of liberalism, effective government and civil liberties in achieving shared goals.

[caro]

OldTimer, with everything else, I am not surprised.

[sammy small]

This really sucks.

I can see a scenario whereby many members of the military resign because of the anti-defense policies of the JEF, much less the sequester. There may not be much left to defend.

So all of the millennials better get their draft cards dusted off, including the womyn. You just may be getting a job after all.

[J.R.]

I am dumbfounded at the collective thoughts of many of my fellow Americans. Our economy sucks, Obama has done nothing to right the ship and most delayed any sort of recovery. Obamacare will only make things worse, yet the multitudes can't see that. I told you so will be of no comfort come 2014.

[Kat]

Sorry, I have no idea how the iPad is magically translating my key strokes to into incomprehensible words.
Reagrading voter returs, I suspect massive voter fraud everywhere. But what does it matter? We, honest, hardworking, moral, just and good people have lost yet again. It is Demon haunted world ahead of us. I don't think we will see the return of the Republic. If you recall, after battle of Salmis Greeks banished/ killed all the victorious generals that were stupid enough to return Athens. We are victims if our own success and comply neglect of classicall edacation. Obama wins. Humanity loses. Hope that parasites enjoy the spoils, as long they will last

[Publius of Idaho]

Newt Gingrich would have conducted a far more effective campaign. Newt is a much better orator than Romney. His rational and arguments would have devistated and ridiculed Obama.

That said, I share what I think is your belief that Newt would be a terrible President. I agree that of the field, Romney was the preferred choice.

Please understand that my comment was intended to distinguish between the canditate and the office. Do you understand that.

And that was said with a straight face, you pompus ass.

[Clarice]

Gold's rising; stock market's tumbling; I feel sorriest for those who have love ones in the service.

[narciso]

Well they did exile Themistocles, nut I missed that part of Herodotus,

[Ralph L]

FDR won handily in 1936.

[Barbara]

Per the exit polls reported this evening: Only 25% of the people voting felt that they were better off today than they were 5 years ago; only 4 out of 10 thought that the economy was improving.

Romney was up in Ohio, Florida and I believe in Wisconsin and Virginia. The enthusiasm and momentum was all with the Romney campaign. The crowds for Romney/Ryan were enormous; Obama couldn't even fill a high school gymnasium.

There is only one explanation for what happened today and that is FRAUD on a mass scale. That is why Axelrod was not even phased by Chris Wallace' question on how Obama could win when the numbers were against him. With a cocky look on his face, Axelrod said, "We'll just have to see what the numbers are on Tuesday."

I would like to know where all those "numbers" came from. I just can't believe that the American people approved of the last 4 years to the extent that they would give that Marxist 4 more to tear this country down. It just doesn't scan - unless it's fraud.

[wordlink]

strong enough and big-minded enough to understand the essential roles of liberalism, effective government and civil liberties in achieving shared goals.

Posted by: bunkerbuster | November 07, 2012 at 12:17 AM

What does that even mean?

[sammy small]

Tomorrows headline: 500 retired flag officers to be audited by IRS.

[narciso]

Even he doesn't know,

[jimmyk]

and that what they foretell on the eve of a national election--even a very close one--should be taken very, very seriously.

I must say that Intrade comes off looking pretty good as well. Not just the on the overall outcome, but I think a lot of the battleground states.

[Pofarmer]

strong enough and big-minded enough to understand the essential roles of liberalism, effective government and civil liberties in achieving shared goals.

Posted by: bunkerbuster | November 07, 2012 at 12:17 AM

What does that even mean?

Embrace teh suck.

[C.R.]

Oh, Clarice, I was thinking that about our service members just a moment ago. My heart really aches for them.

I wish I could be more optimistic since 50% of the country still has sense, but I'm afraid that I have to agree with DOT that the fundamental nature of the country is irrevocably altered now that Obamacare is here to say.

Well, I've been warned not to set my heart on earthly things. God bless all & good night.

[BR]

Popular Vote on Fox News

O: 49,946,729
R: 49,868,932

It's changing as I type. Oh, now it's off the screen.

FL and VA still to be called by Fox.

[Jade]

Reasons for Romney losses:

3. Couldn't explain why Obamacare is bad because he was for it before he was against it.

2. Couldn't criticize Obama for funding Obamacare with Medicare cuts because he chose Paul Ryan, famous for "his" plan to gut Medicare funding

1. He lost the game the moment he chose Paul Ryan, economic crank in extremis. Ryan brought nothing to the ticket except maybe some waivering Ayn Randista cultists.

[jimmyk]

Who are all these Obama voters going to blame when their hours get cut because of Obamacare? This is very real and potentially widespread.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49343911/Prepping_for_Obamacare_Chain_Cuts_Workers_Hours

[Porchlight]

PS TO MR AND MRS ROMNEY AND MR AND MRS RYAN - HATS OFF TO YOU, I AM HONORED TO HAVE VOTED FOR YOU TONIGHT. THE LOSERS IN THE WHITE HOUSE WILL NEVER HAVE AS MUCH CLASS OR DIGNITY THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PINKY. GOOD LUCK IN ALL YOUR FUTURE ENDEAVORS.

Amen, Enlightened. It's good to see you, btw.

Sorry everyone. I was wrong about everything.

[Pofarmer]

Right now the difference is 100,000 votes nationally. Incredible. Could this come down to absentee ballots?

[Jor]

Math hurts guys -- MATH. REALITY
Nate Silver. Average polls. I can teach you how to do it.

Country can't move forward if the republicans keep ignoring MATH, facts, and reality.

[jimmyk]

FL and VA still to be called by Fox.

They're both as good as gone. Mitt will end up with 206 to Barry's 332. Horrible.

[Marcia in Phoenix]

Romney speech expected in 6 minutes.

[daddy]

What a disaster. Lost seats in the Senate and re-elected the worst President ever. Holy freakin' cripes

Mega dittos:(

[Jade]

Who are all these Obama voters going to blame when their hours get cut because of Obamacare?

Did Romney explain that to them? You do realize Romney is practically the grandfather of Obamacare?

[bunkerbuster]

my favorite thing about this blog is that whenever I bring the fusillade of calumny down on winguts, i can count on the chorus of dimwits here to freshly demonstrate exactly what I've just described.

[daddy]

Mitt would have been a really good president. We have now lost the benefits of his many strengths for good. A real loss to our beloved country.

Completely concur with that Caro.

[Kat]

Barbara, agree but it does not matter. We lost. Progs, who are not in the " millionaire and billionaire " category are going to feel the consequences good and hard. I could almost rejoice if my husband and I were not trying to make it here.

[wordlink]

chorus of dimwits he

Don't hang around with those you consider dimwits. Hang with those you respect.

[BR]

AP on Google:

O: 50457240 49% 303 (EV)
R: 50319268 49% 203 (EV)

[RichatUF]

What a fucking disaster.

[jimmyk]

You do realize Romney is practically the grandfather of Obamacare?

So now that Barry can't blame Bush anymore for the disasters he's creating, he's going to blame Romney? What is it with these prog idiots who can never take responsibility for anything?

Jade evidently doesn't understand the difference between one state adopting a policy and the federal government imposing it on all 50 states. Romney ran on a platform of repealing Obamacare. So good luck with that argument.

[Chubby]

I think that Mark Levin was right, a lot more money should have been bestowed on senatorial races.

[daddy]

Congressman Allen West is losing by a thousand in Florida.

[BR]

Another site has the popular vote now at:

51,118,316
50,879,502

[linearthinker]

Posted by: Barbara | November 07, 2012 at 12:37 AM

You nailed it, hon. Took the words out of my mind, and said it better than I could have.

LT

[daddy]

"Begich, says Obama has been mixed on AK issues, but "We can work with him. He's open to listening to us."

Keep dreaming, fruitcake.

[Jade]

"Jade evidently doesn't understand the difference between one state adopting a policy and the federal government imposing it on all 50 states."

Oh come on. That's just the Romney team's b.s. "difference" game. They had to think up something, so they invented the state issue.
The cores to Obamacare and Romneycare were the same: individual mandates to flood private insurers with money. The insurance companies own both parties, and practically own the soul of Paul Ryan.

"Romney ran on a platform of repealing Obamacare. So good luck with that argument."

You mean I can't point out he is a kerry-esque flip-flopper? Even if he would, my point is he said very little about it---because he is essentially check-mated on the issue, just like on cap and trade.

I agree, Obama care is coming. And it is destructive. The Republicans will fold because they will "work" with the Demos to "fix" it. What else are they going to do, call it a corporatist scam? That will utterly confuse their Randist nut-base.

[RichatUF]

Chubby-

I think that Mark Levin was right, a lot more money should have been bestowed on senatorial races.

Not sure how money would have made a difference. We're a country of moochers now and now that Obama has some "flexibility" we'll going to get the full prog treatment. Thanks DoT for being a voice of caution during the election season. Think I might drop out of the comments for a bit.

[Jor]

Guys popular vote is gonna be obama by 1-1.5%
West Coast states are the ones left, all gonna go heavy obama.

[Chubby]

who misled Romney and the rest of us that Florida was in the bag? Rove and who else? Romney must be as upset as anyone for being jerked around

[Threadkiller]

Mitt will be writing this on the chalkboard while he is in detention:

Repeal and Replace,
Repeal and Replace,
Repeal and Replace,
Repeal and Replace,
Repeal and Replace,
Repeal and Replace,
Repeal and Replace...

[blue]

America, as we know it, is over. Somewhere between 47 and 99 percent killed it.

Romney is a wonderful and talented man but he isn't a fighter.

If senior military leadership wasn't pussified, there might be a remedy...

[Chubby]

((Not sure how money would have made a difference))

Levin's been regularly interviewing all the senators in the tight races, some who lost this evening, and they all said that their opponents had huge war chests.

[squaredance]

The "progs" are not going to suffer. What nonsense. They are going to get all sorts of government grants, handouts, programs and contracts, just like the green energy sector did. You will have the equivalent of high tech WPA's only on the scale of google.

States like California are going to be bailed out now.

"Social entrepreneurship" and "political entrepreneurship" will be all the rage for the VC community. NGOs and non profits will grow and grow and grow.

The real "progs" are in the Nomenklatura--that is the whole point of this election to the whole lot of them. They could care less about the rest of the country. They hate it. They think that they are radically superior to it in any imaginable way. They have inverted all reality and all values. They will bleed it white.

It is those decent people out there in the broad middle of the country, the ones that voted for Romney today, that are going to take it on the chin. How they (and us) will suffer.

They will be emboldened to go after everything now.

All constitutional rights, immigration, the military. The rest of us will be impoverished to keep the progs in the pink.

Again, you do not understand these sort of regimes; you do not understand what is happening.

Goodness, I wonder if the average person will even have a decent car in four years. Gas will be 410 a gallon. Christians will come under real legal challenges merely to practice their faith.

We have not established that the government can tax you in order to get any behavior they want out of you. We are going to tax the air we breath now.

These people literally hate everything about this country that is dear to you. They have now the most power that they have ever had and are now devilish emboldened. They will play their end game now.

What will stop them? The GOP? They will most likely lose the House in two years.

SCOTUS? My goodness.

Short of civil war, which will never happen, they have won.

What recourse, what institutional bulwark do we have?

It is the end of the Republic.

[OldTimer]

The Chicago machine has practically lived in the swing states since '08, preparing for a night such as this. Proving fraud would be nigh impossible. These folks are masters of their trade, excel at deception and have no conscience to throttle back their machinations.

For them, it's not the votes that count, but who counts the votes. Looks like all the votes they needed to win were available tonight.

[mockmook]

Well, for what ever reason, the peeps come out and vote for the 0.

Midterms 2014 will be a different story.

But, our deep bench for 2016 doesn't look so deep now. Who will have a better resume than Romney (a proven Dem vote getter)?

Don't know if we can count on Dem drop-off in 2016 (Cuomo?).

Time to try more libertarian/conservative candidates? Who? Palin?

[squaredance]

410=$10

[Porchlight]

How do you beat the party that is in nearly 100% collusion with the media?

[Jor]

chubby --- I think florida was super close -- Nate had it at 50%, sounds like Obama's ground game was FAR FAR SUPERIOR than expected. I think tons of people are surprised by florida.

[bunkerbuster]

As I've said over and over since I started commenting here, identity conservatives are liberals' secret weapon because they are extremely effective in delegitimizing both pragmatic conservatism and libertarian-leaning conservatives, who, otherwise, have a philosophy that has been shown to have great appeal to Americans.
Why not take a lesson from your losses?
Take Clarice, moaning like a baboon about the "stock market's tumbling'' telegraphing an obvious disdain for her readers ability to understand basic facts, like the one that the market is closed and S&P futures trading after market are down a mere 0.3%, ie statistical noise.
Then you've got the imbeciles on Fox talking in euphemism to claim Romney won the popular vote, a meme that's raging through the wingnutosphere, where facts have no purchase at all.
I must say I have to give my old "friend" DoT credit for manning up about the polls and admitting that they were proven correct, instead of joining the chorus of math-challenged nincompoops asserting that a Romney loss could only be obtained by voter fraud.
Have a nice day!

[PD]

2. Couldn't criticize Obama for funding Obamacare with Medicare cuts because he chose Paul Ryan, famous for "his" plan to gut Medicare funding

In other words, you're unable to distinguish the lies about Ryan's plan from what Ryan's plan actually is?

[dixievelcro]

Lurking since the Libby days I had to register tonight simply to acknowledge that I agree with everything being said, especially Squaredance.

I grieve that so much has been lost in four years.

It is so painful that we've been reduced to . . . this.

Thank you for letting me listen all these years.

[PD]

(Reuters) - Stock index futures fell late on Tuesday, but were off session lows, as major TV networks called the U.S. presidential election for Democratic incumbent Barack Obama over challenger Mitt Romney.

[Threadkiller]

A Freeper asks: "So will the GOP and Conservative Inc. concede that joining the Left in ridiculing birthers and actively participating in the cover up of Obama's past was a failing strategy? All this time they could not even bring themselves to ask if Obama was ever a citizen of Indonesia. Will they concede that living in fear of being called racist by Candy Crowley is a losing strategy. I doubt it." -kreitzer

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/11/obama-usurpation-2.html?m=1#idc-container

[BR]

Sara, CC or others in CA, what were the figures in CA? Can't seem to find it on the net.

[Porchlight]

who misled Romney and the rest of us that Florida was in the bag? Rove and who else? Romney must be as upset as anyone for being jerked around

Mitt had some sizable leads in polling in FL even up to the end. Suffolk pulled out along with VA and NC. They won't make that mistake again.

It tightened at the end. Not unlike 2004. Romney had his own polling, so he can't blame Rove. I think Romney thought he had it because like us, he assumed massive turnout on Election Day would bring the margins against dispirited Dems. Again, like Dems did in 2004. They were so excited and they just couldn't believe that people would turn out in big numbers to re-elect Bush.

I don't fault Romney. With those crowds and that enthusiasm, I can easily understand him believing it was going to happen.

The Battleground Watch guy had this posted earlier:

"A prophet is the one who, when everyone else
despairs, hopes. And when everyone else hopes, he despairs. You’ll ask me why. It’s because he has mastered the Great Secret: that the Wheel turns."

[Threadkiller]

"How do you beat the party that is in nearly 100% collusion with the media?"

Come to the realisation that your own party is in the same collusion. Stop supporting Beck, Levin, Hannity, etc.

[Threadkiller]

BR

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/

[BR]

California’s statewide ballot results a mystery

Hee, maybe Romney conceded too soon!
Especially if he won the popular vote and CA passed a law that their 55 Electoral votes go to the national popular vote winner :) I know, I know, someone wrote earlier that bill has to be ratified by other states, but I'm a Bitterender!

[BR]

Ah, interesting, TK. At your link:

26.6% ( 6,508 of 24,491 ) precincts partially reporting as of November 6, 2012, 10:39 p.m.

O: 2,420,299
R: 1,894,405

Since only one quarter has been reported, I suppose those are in major cities. The outer areas would be Republican.

[someone]

But, our deep bench for 2016 doesn't look so deep now. Who will have a better resume than Romney (a proven Dem vote getter)?

Don't know if we can count on Dem drop-off in 2016 (Cuomo?).

Time to try more libertarian/conservative candidates? Who? Palin?

As a GOPer, you should know that you can always predict the next candidate before the race is over. It's whomever is "next".

No one finished a strong second this time, so it's (again) Palin's if she wants it.

I just think 2016 will be too late.