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PD

Shorter Obama:

We're out of money. So let's spend more of it.

Sue

I think I'm going to have to agree with Obama on this one. Everyone knew if he was re-elected, he would push to increase taxes.

PD

Here's my tax proposal: Raise rates on those who think they're not paying enough and want their rates raised.

This includes Buffett, who's been saying for a long time that he's not paying enough. It also includes Clinton and Obama, who regularly claim "Hey, I don't need any tax cut." And Hollywood leftists like Ben Affleck (recently claimed his taxes should go up on Conan, I believe).

After those brave patriots have their rates skyrocket, then let's see where we stand regarding revenue.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Democratic math only has to add up in exactly the same way an embezzler's does.

Dave (in MA)

In IE, the formatting is messed up in the tables.

In Chrome, that plus the Romney column is missing.

narciso

True, Sue, they just thought it wouldn't happen to them 'welcome to the party, pal'

OT, the Die Hard film in Russia, looks to be good.

PD

Obama says we should extend middle-class tax cuts NOW. Why wait?

O would that someone in our crack media would ask him, "If the Bush-era tax cuts were only for the wealthy, how can there be any middle class tax cuts to extend? Or are you now admitting that those cuts benefitted EVERY TAXPAYER?"

Danube of Thought

I really don't care.

narciso

And yet in the same breath, he talks of climate change, by which only Carbon taxes can net the elusive Sky dragon.

narciso

And this example, just begs the question, wait what?


http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/11/lewinsky-ing/#comments

Dave (in MA)

The post has been reworked so as to make my 10:45 moot.

Sue

Narcio,

OT, the Die Hard film in Russia, looks to be good.

I am so ready.

PD

I really don't care.

About ... ?

pagar

If you believe that it is ok for Jon Corzine to take any one's money he wants, as the House Democrats do, what difference does any tax rate make?

Chubby

The following is the last part of a BOR talking points memo that I fully agree with and believe is key to Republicans winning large majorities. It is premised on the idea that the majority of all ethnicities, given a clear choice, would not vote on the side of social deterioration. It is a refreshing alternative argument to the ones we generally hear.

The first part of his memo deals with (1) huge numbers of babies born out of wedlock and (2) the abortion industry. The last part (3) deals with loosening drug laws:

((...Finally, two states Washington and Colorado voted to legalize pot. Here
are the grim stats on this idiocy. Since 2008, teenage pot use up 40
percent and heavy use for teens has increased 80 percent. States that
have lenient medical marijuana laws driving those stats, why? Because
legalizing pot sends a message that it's fine to use it and getting the
drug at the corner pot shop makes it readily available to anyone. Ask
any drug counselor. And he or she will tell you once a child is introduced
to intoxicants that child's life changes for the worse. Some may not become substance-involved but millions will. Do we want to encourage that? The Secular Progressives, they don't care about addiction. They don't want limitations on so-called private behavior. No judgments. If you want to smoke drugs? Fine. If you want to abort a fetus? We'll drive you to the clinic. You want to have a kid when you're 16, no problem at all, we'll support you.

If Mitt Romney spelled that out, what the secular progressive movement is really all about in strong vivid terms and how President Obama enables that, Romney would not have lost 71 percent of the Hispanic vote. I can tell you. I believe the majority of Americans can be persuaded that the far left is a dangerous outfit bent on destroying
traditional America and replacing it with a social free fire zone that drives dependency and poverty.

We the people need to be confronted with the reality of our situation.

But so many of our politicians are cowardly that the truth is rarely
heard. Well, tonight you heard it. And maybe four years from now, what's really at stake in America will finally be heard loud and clear.---Is traditional America gone for good?))

Clarice

I'm bored. Here's the menu for a big Friday night dinner party here.
Artisan bread
Tomato shooters (olive tapenade, spicy tomato sorbet and prosciutto dust)
Arugula salad with mini cheese souffles and fried pancetta
Steak and mushroom stew
Roasted new potatoes with aioli sauce
Apple compote topped with vanilla custard, apple sorbet and caramel foam

Wish me luck!


Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

I understand McClane kicking Russkie ass is going to feature some prominent product placements for the scooter store and Life alert.

Sue

Good luck Clarice. Sounds yummy.

Sue

Look, Ig, you can say just about anything you want but when you start dissing John McClane, you have a problem, buddy.

hit and run

You did say 7:30, didn't you Clarice?

narciso

He still could pull it off in RED, although the Expendables 2, was a stretch

Extraneus

(Lifted from previous thread.)

Why should the Republicans contort themselves to try to protect the $250K or $1M earners? ("Small business owners," "job creators," etc. These are weasel words. Everyone knows that these people are pretty well off.) Why not simply say that it's not fair for these people to be singled out, and remind the public that the Bush tax cuts were across-the-board tax cuts, not "tax cuts for the rich" like the lying Democrats have been lying to you about for all these years.

The cuts were fair. Obama's plan isn't.

They could go further and explain that, not only are Obama and his fellow lying Democrats trying to divide people with this ploy, their plan to raise taxes only on the rich won't make a dent in the deficit. It's all just a dishonest ploy to divide the country and promote class warfare, which Democrats have been doing for decades.

Don't pussyfoot around. Say it.

"Republicans want to reduce the deficit by cutting spending and fostering economic growth. Democrats disagree with both. Their plan is to reduce the deficit by raising taxes, but they need to raise them across-the-board in order to make a dent in the deficit. By claiming to be able to do so by raising taxes on only a segment of the population, they're simply lying to you, which they've been doing for years."

"If you insist on raising taxes, Mr. President, you should raise everyone's taxes. Come on, we know you want to."

Something along those lines, anyway.

Sue

He still could pull it off in RED, although the Expendables 2, was a stretch

Sacrebleu!

Clarice

The cooking part is easy--making sue of the timing of everything--well-I've prepared a lot yesterday and will do a lot today. I'll have to write out a timeline to keep it straight.

7:30 Hit, please be on time..and Sue, there's always room for an extra plate.

Extraneus

Prosciutto dust?

Sue

Clarice,

You're a doll, but I'm afraid I will have to send my regrets. Grandchildren duty.

Not only could I not prepare the meal, I had to look up some of it to see what it was. Well, most of it, actually.

Have Blue

How about figuring income tax rates depending on your county of residence. The tax rate for all citizens in a county is the percentage of the vote Obama got in the election.

Ranger

Their plan is to reduce the deficit by raising taxes, but they need to raise them across-the-board in order to make a dent in the deficit.

Actually, even raising taxes across the board won't make a dent at this point. Letting all the tax cuts expire only get you about $150 Billion a year.

Even if we go over the fiscal cliff, we still only get about $500 Billion.

That still puts us about $700 Billion in the whole next year.

Sequestration is only a $100 Billion cut to the budget, and everyone is saying that is too painful.

centralcal

Yum, Clarice. The steak and mushroom stew sounds intriguing.

narciso

It's all excellent,

centralcal

I am curious about the prosciutto dust also - is it just very fine chiffonade?

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--Look, Ig, you can say just about anything you want but when you start dissing John McClane, you have a problem, buddy.

Posted by: Sue | November 15, 2012 at 11:26 AM--

What problem? He's fallen and he can't get up.

Sue

Ex,

Prosciutto dust?

One of the things I had to look up. I now know what it is.

Sue

Prosciutto dust is prosciutto cooked until golden and crispy and ground to a find dust with pestle & mortar.

Sheesh, you would think none of you had ever had fine dining before. Or google. ::grin::

Sue

Ig,

What problem? He's fallen and he can't get up.

You are so mean.

centralcal

Prosciutto Dust (a little easier version than Sue's):

Oh, how lovely! All you need to do is effectively ‘dry’ the prosciutto in the oven and then blitz the hell out of it. One pack of prosciutto from the deli (100g) made quite a lot when you consider you don’t need much per serve. It keeps in the fridge in a sealed container quite well.
Sue

C,

I'm a gourmet cook googler. None of that pre-anything for me.

centralcal

How funny. I just noticed the article I clipped the prosciutto dust from was from a Thermomix user and was part of a recipe for Tomato Shots. I betcha this is Clarice's recipe source - don't you have one of those wonder machines, Clarice?

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--Letting all the tax cuts expire only get you about $150 Billion a year.--

So how is Barry proposing to get $160 billion per year without raising the lower brackets?

Clarice

Yes, indeed, cc. I suppose you could do that in a food processor, too , if it's powerful enough--one of the smaller ones so the stuff wouldn't be too dispersed to be ground.

Clarice

The stew recipe is also online at Williams Sonoma (You ddon't have to use their fancy and expensive slow cooker --anyone will do if you brown the stuff on the stove first and use a decent stock inside of that expensive glace they sell, It's a good dish for company because it's one less thing to worry about the night of..It is delicious and not very expensive at all

Danube of Thought on IPad

"About ... ?"

About how this tax standoff is resolved. I suppose I would prefer that the GOP let Obama do it his way, so that he alone will own the recession. Otherwise, polling has already shown us who will take the fall.

Clarice

*stock INSTEAD of*


Breitbart reports Norquist, has seen the light on carbon taxes

"n Tuesday, Grover Norquist walked back his comments about a possible carbon tax swap (which would reduce income taxes while taxing carbon emissions), one day after the staunch anti-tax advocate suggested it would not violate his famed Taxpayer Protection Pledge. Norquist now says there "is no conceivable way to add an energy or VAT tax to the burdens American taxpayers face that would not violate the pledge over time." He added, "it would be [a] foolish and economically destructive thing to do." "The creation of any new tax such as a VAT"

What a dope to have fallen for it ever.

Captain Hate

Frum wasn't quite as bad as I thought he might be on Laura Ingraham. Granted Laura will contort herself into a semi Medved ball of squish to accommodate the other side and some of butter boy's suggestions are complete non-starters; but there were a couple shocking instances of him making a bit of sense.

centralcal

Thanks for sharing that, Clarice. I am always printing out Williams Sonoma recipes (only attempt about half of them, though, either due to time constraints or laziness)!

Have you heard of or purchased a Thermomix cookbook by a Dani somebody. The article I referenced above is by some blogger who is attempting to do the recipes in the cookbook one at a time.

Ranger

So how is Barry proposing to get $160 billion per year without raising the lower brackets?

Good question. Letting the AMT fix expire gets you another $90 Billion.

Clarice

Yes. It's by Dani Valent and there are many good things in it--My dessert recipe is also from there.

Rob Crawford
So how is Barry proposing to get $160 billion per year without raising the lower brackets?

He's not. If he succeeded, where would he get the excuse to crack down on the saboteurs, hoarders, and wreckers?

Jor

TM --- stop the BS --- do you support a tax increase on the wealthy to help pay down the debt or not? Its ok -- you can come out and say "I'm a hack, I just want to cut spending, I don't really care about the deficit whatsoever". Any plan to cut the deficit needs to be balanced. Either accept reality, or accept hackdom.

Mitt Romney re-iterated that republicans are the party of the 1% -- and his tools on the web, repeatedly make lame arguments to let the rich keep their toys and only the middle class is forced to sacrifice.

Everyone needs to sacrifice. The rich, the middle class, and the poor. We all know how it can be done. So stop being such a hack.

glasater

Here's an argument between an English guy and a French guy over the 75% tax rate in France:

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000129271&play=1

pagar

Wonder what the math is on disability earned fighting for your country on some far away battlefield or in the halls of Congress.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/11/15/report-rep-jesse-jackson-jr-wont-resign-until-he-gets-guaranteed-government-income-for-life/

I'm expect that Cong Clyburn will declare it is racist because Cong Jackson Jr is black.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/like-clockwork-libs-play-race-card-on-susan-rice-critics-video/

centralcal

Greta just posted her shock at learning that Jill Kelley was at the White House on September 28th!

Just Got Weirder

Jack is Back

Arugula salad with mini cheese souffles and fried pancetta

Clarice,

Are Barry and Moo coming?

Tonight, its Chicken Cacciatore. A tad more pedestrian than Clarices menu.

Chubby

((Everyone needs to sacrifice.))

I don't see the political and bureaucratic class whom you adore so much sacificing too much of their taxpayer financed royal lifestyles, do you?

Ranger

The rich, the middle class, and the poor. We all know how it can be done.

Well, short of going over the fiscal cliff and cutting about $700 Billion in spending, what plan do you have to close the $1.25 Trillion budget deficit for next year?

Captain Hate

So how is Barry proposing to get $160 billion per year without raising the lower brackets?

Countdown to 401ks being up for grabs.

Ranger

BTW Jor, speaking of hacks, you never bothered to respond to my questions about your fantasy first year of Obama's second term.

Ranger

Countdown to 401ks being up for grabs.

Yep. They need to really tank the market to get people to even consider that... and the fiscal cliff might come in very handy for that outcome.

Rob Crawford
Countdown to 401ks being up for grabs.

Poverty and slavery for everyone not in a public sector union!


Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--Well, short of going over the fiscal cliff and cutting about $700 Billion in spending, what plan do you have to close the $1.25 Trillion budget deficit for next year?

Posted by: Ranger | November 15, 2012 at 12:17 PM--

He posted it a few days ago Ranger.
He advocated controversial things like reducing medical costs and reviewing and eliminating unnecessary programs. And to curb spending even further he advocated another stimulus.
Trust me, it all added up. Jor is a science and math whizz. He says he is and he says it on the internet so it has to be true.

Ranger

Yes Iggie, and I did a detail series of questions in response, which he never answered.

Extraneus

Heh. Is that the "Jor" you guys have been responding to? Why do you do it?

bgates

part of that included making sure that the wealthiest Americans pay a little bit more

The annual deficit is over $1,000,000,000,000. That means erasing it through taxes requires that the wealthiest Americans pay not 'a little bit' more, but $1,000,000,000,000 more.

If the Democrats agreed, as part of a 'balanced approach', to cut half of the deficit by reducing federal spending by $500,000,000,000 - which they will never, ever, ever do - eliminating the rest of the deficit through taxes would require that the wealthiest Americans pay not 'a little bit' more, but $500,000,000,000 more.

Old Lurker

Ranger you are singing off my deficit music today. :-) The fight is all around the edges on both sides, seems to me.

I warned about the 401k and endowment targets of opportunity several years back too. That is why I am spending down those personal funds ASAP.

matt

there is an exceptionally virulent epidemic of stupid that seems to be sweeping Washington this week.

Enlightened

Jor - Here's a game for you to go play - how about you try and rebut the results using the Bambi Theory of Taxing The Rich.

http://soaktherich.us/

Old Lurker

And I agree with Ext about Aholes like jor and the rest of our current infection.

pagar

IMO, everyone needs to drop the myth that any tax from any source is going to be used to reduce the deficit under the Obama regime.
Not going to happen. The very last thing the Obama regime wants is the deficit reduced, IMO.

Ranger

Not going to happen. The very last thing the Obama regime wants is the deficit reduced, IMO.

Yep. Obama said as much before he even took office with that comment he maid about "we may be running Trillion dollar deficits for the next decade." That has been the plan all along.

Jor

the yearly deficit doesn't disappear in 1 year.
Romney said he would need 8 years to get back to a balanced budget. I believe he was the republican candidate for president. I know he was a little bit of a moron, so obviously Obama should be able to do better --- but it aint going back to 0 in less than 5 years.


ranger, what question?

PLEASE LETS VOTE: Who wants only the middle class to sacrifice here? Or who believes everyone should sacrifice? This is very easy -- you guys decide. Option (1) is the republican plan. Option (2) is Obamas. End of story.

Rob Crawford

True, pagar. I suspect we'll see much, much more spending before we see a deficit reduction.

One of Obama's brain trust -- Trumka -- was calling for more spending just today. Wants the gubmint to do something to save "manufacturing". (By which he means unions.)

Danube of Thought on IPad

"do you support a tax increase on the wealthy to help pay down the debt or not?"

The question assumes that the additional revenues raised will be used to pay down the debt. It won't. In any event, his proposed tax on the "wealthy" would raise a mere $42 Billion, acording to the CBO. How many jobs it would eliminate is unknown.

Neither Obama nor anyone else actually believes that increasing taxes on that 2% will accomplish anything at all. They simply don't admire or even like that 2%, and they want to stick it to them. Have at it, fools.

Extraneus

They simply don't admire or even like that 2%, and they want to stick it to them.

Not to mention that it gets them votes from the envious suckers who fall for the class war.

Rob Crawford

Not, mind you, that Obama wouldn't mind having us all work for him a bit more.

Ranger

Jor, If you're only going to raise revenue by $160 Billion on an annual basis, then you have to actually cut Federal spending by about the same ammount every year for 8 years to ballance the budget. Are you cool with that?

If you're not cool with that, then you either need to raise revenue dramaticly more, or just admit you don't really give a damn about the deficit and the debt.

So, which is it?

Enlightened

And here Jor you f**king idiot - I know you are too stupid to read links so I will post it for you. I also understand that you, like Obama, never passed Econ 101 so you are part of the Math Illiterati - Mary Katherine Ham did the math for you in 2011:


The grand total of the combined net worth of every single one of America’s billionaires is roughly $1.3 trillion. It does indeed sound like a “ton of cash” until one considers that the 2011 deficit alone is $1.6 trillion. So, if the government were to simply confiscate the entire net worth of all of America’s billionaires, we’d still be $300 billion short of making up this year’s deficit.

That’s before we even get to dealing with the long-term debt of $14 trillion, which if you’re keeping score at home, is between 10 to 14 times the entire net worth of all of the country’s billionaires, combined. That includes the all-powerful Koch brothers ($40 billion between them), the all-powerful George Soros ($14.5 billion), all the Walton family (of the Wal-Mart fortune), Steve Jobs, Oprah (at a paltry $2.7 billion), the Google Founders, Michael Bloomberg, and the Mars family (of the candy bar empire).

Get with it you stupid asswipe, or just stop coming here with your fucking lies and halftruths and innuendos and all that other crap you have sticking out your ass from bending over for Obama, Krugman and the rest of the crapweasels

I cannot wait until you and everyone you know finally figure out you been scammed by a kindergartner.


Dublindave

Roflmao, JOM posters are probably not the most equipped people in the world to comment on polls ( how'd that landslide work out for you? Lololol).


Not to worry, 'National Empty Chair Day' is only another 312 days away.

Jim Ryan

I just had lunch with Soylent! Ha!

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--I know he was a little bit of a moron, so obviously Obama should be able to do better --- but it aint going back to 0 in less than 5 years.--

Your plan had it balanced in four years. You must be even smarter than Barry.

--Or who believes everyone should sacrifice?--

I believe the government created the problem and is the problem and therefore the government should sacrifice. Spending was around 20% of GDP until Barry pushed it up to 24%. Repair that intentional mess and most of the deficit problem disappears.

Get regulations off the back of the rest of the economy and the rest of it does.

Pare the Fed government back to 10% of GDP or less and the rest of our government caused problems disappear, or at least revert to the states where they belong.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--Not to worry, 'National Empty Chair Day' is only another 312 days away.

Posted by: Dublindave | November 15, 2012 at 12:53 PM--

WeeDavey,
Your national teat was reelected; empty chair day is everyday!

Janet

How great, Jim!! You guys having lunch & Clarice's dinner party are the good news out here today. It's grim otherwise.

Enlightened

Jor - Just in case you can't comprehend Big Words, since I feel sorry for you today i will help you again:

Illiterati

The opposite of the Illuminati, who take pride in their high level of knowledge and learning. An Illiterati takes pride in the fact that they are ignorant and refuse to learn (adjust their paradigm)often to the severe detriment of those around them.

Pass it on to your friends in High, Not Rich places. Please, please I beg you to continue proving how utterly ignorant the New Ruling Class is.

laff trac

"( how'd that landslide work out for you? Lololol)."

Deadbeatdave = Comedy Gold!!!

Enlightened

Poor Wee Dave - National Empty Head Every Day must be painful. Or maybe not in your case.

Rob Crawford

Enlightenend -- doodoo fills his empty head with choom.

Extraneus

Why do you guys respond to Jor or even read his posts? Target practice?

PD

Sheesh, you would think none of you had ever had fine dining before.

Coincidentally, I just bought a new batch of SPAM this morning.

Extraneus

Do you find that it helps to hone your arguments? Seems to me these arguments are fairly useless at this point. We need strategies to out-maneuver the left for muddle votes. (Cool dudes with hot bods to excite minority females, in particular.) Meanwhile, Democrats have taught us that sliming Obama is the most effective route to political power at this stage of the game. It's a little yucky, but slime we must.

Screw these lefty douchebags who post here. They're not worth the time.

Rob Crawford

Ext -- how can we possibly slime Obama more than he's slimed himself?

Dude admits he ate dog, did drugs, and spent his college years hanging around wannabe mass-murderers.

Captain Hate

Muffer must have drained all the Fosters kegs in Australia because now she'll be returning to testify on Benghazi. Will she put on a black accent and claim "Ah wants ta TESTIFY"?

Captain Hate

Tammy Bruce is slattering Scotty "John Kerry would make a great Secretary of State" Centerfold.

Danube of Thought

Absolute must read: the Williams-Sonoma Catalog, examined.

Extraneus

Heh.

Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) confirmed Thursday that she will seek the chairmanship of the Senate Budget Committee next year but told The Hill that she cannot commit to doing a budget.
RichatUF

So how is Barry proposing to get $160 billion per year without raising the lower brackets?

Raise corporate taxes-an explaination for his shindig with ceos yesterday. It is a stealth tax, it will cause unemployment (or hours cut not too dissimiliar in the implimentation of Ocare), and it will further weaken the dollar as companies attempt to shield more of their income oversees. It is also a great opportunity for favors and graft-the only thing that Obama really cares about.

mockmook

Coincidentally, I just bought a new batch of SPAM this morning.

Posted by: PD | November 15, 2012 at 01:11 PM

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Were you able to get a good year?

Enlightened

"Why do you guys respond to Jor or even read his posts? Target practice?"

I was just trying to kill him with kindness. So, yes I guess you could say I was practising the New Tone.

It's so fish/barrel, but I will stand down for the rest of today....I think.

Rob Crawford
Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) confirmed Thursday that she will seek the chairmanship of the Senate Budget Committee next year but told The Hill that she cannot commit to doing a budget.

Isn't the budget Constitutionally required? So isn't Murray stating she cannot commit to carrying out one of her Constitutionally-mandated duties?

Doesn't that invalidate her oath of office?

Why am I acting like the left fascists give a rip about the Constitution?

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