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Buford Gooch

So, they all lied for various reasons, none of which were helpful to anyone except themselves?

Jas

Her book was done long ago, so if what she said here about the prisoners is true, that means she did not discover it during the course of her research, but that Petraeus told her, or she gathered from records of Petraeus laying about their love-nest or elsewhere.

BTW, the prisoner story could be true, but irrelevant to the motives of the attackers. Or just a small part.

matt

funny how Congress is just getting crickets on Benghazi, isn't it?

Donald

It ain't funny at all.

This is gonna be a vicious four years.

Dave (in MA)

T-Mag goes Gus.

BB Key

Remember ValJar said it would be payback time

Clarice

TM, hard to believe the won wouldn't know about the rendition program or the arms market in Benghazi. Isn't it more likely that he feared a failed rescue would cost him reelection, not only for badly managing it but because the whole story--renditions, arms transfer--would come out?

matt

clarice;

They lied from the first hours of the fiasco. The false narrative began immediately.

The event was happening in real time and they were watching it live in DC. They could probably see the tracers and mortar rounds go off, depending upon the sensor technology.

and.they.all.stood. around.and.did.nothing.

and that, madame, is the first question. Why?

Jas

Isn't it more likely that he feared a failed rescue would cost him reelection, not only for badly managing it but because the whole story--renditions, arms transfer--would come out?


Sounds like good advice from Valerie Jarrett..

Extraneus

This is gonna be a vicious four years.

Not if the Republicans have anything to say about it.

maryrose

Ext:
Then we the people need to trumpet it. We should design talking points for every person who goes on tv shows or network news that is a republican or is selling some book. Keep repeating that Obama and cronies are lying.
Liz Cheney is an excellent spokeswoman for us. She doesn't mince words and she is brital with the facts and the course of action that must be taken.
clarice: Bingo. Can you imagine Obama's horror when he saw this transpire in real time. Thank God ValJar came up with the video solutin before he left for Vegas to fundraise. I wonder how many Americans will realize they have been had by this person who cared more about re-election than the lives of brave soldiers. I believe it will be anawful 4 years for Obama because like Clinton his lies are gong to catch up to him. There only so many places left to hide. That is why he clings to Holder.

daddy

TM,

I haven't been following this Benghazi thing as rigorously as most of the folks here, but your explanation makes more sense explaining this situation than anything else I've heard so far. I am swapping now to believing that yours is the correct template (the part about holding Militants in Detention and trying to keep that under wraps) and I'm going to judge revelations from here on out in relation to trying to keep that bit of info secret.

If anyone out there has a better explanation I'm all ears.

The FIVE just started and Beckel is asking if anyone else is as outraged as he is at the FBI looking into private records and E-mails of citizens. Ever heard of Craig Livingston and FileGate Bob, or anything else the Clintons or this Administration has done over the last 4 years?

Extraneus

Has anyone commented on the appropriateness of unpaid social liaison (for an Air Force base) Jill Kelley's attire?

Ignatz?

maryrose

should be brutal and going to...

lyle

Can you imagine Obama's horror when he saw this transpire in real time.

That he might lose the election? Yes.

That four Americans were being slaughtered? No.

daddy

Ext,

Looking at your picture you just posted, it appears to me that the girl behind and to the right is Jill Kelly or her twin. My guess would be that the supposed crazy one is the one in your photo wearing nothing, and the slightly less crazy one is the gal just over her shoulder.

And how the Hubby would know which is which beats me.

Rob Crawford

Can I make a petition to strip the citizenship of anyone who wants to strip the citizenship of anyone who wants to secede?

lyle

Taranto:

According to Griffin, former Navy SEALs Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty defied orders to "stand down" and twice traveled from the annex to the consulate, where they were killed by a mortar shell. If military backup was denied for fear of exposing continuing CIA detention activity, then they paid with their lives for Barack Obama's moral and political posturing.

Just a couple of eggs, right, Comrade Barry?

Chubby

sorry, OT

Janet,

did you see this? it is BOR but it is excellent imo.

LUN

O'Reilly: "I Believe Traditional America Can Come Back"

maryrose

lyle: my sentiments exactly. So in other words-he won the election by deceiving the American people about Benghazi. I hope he can sleep at night with that knowledge.
TM: I think you have seized on the first real truth of the Benghazi debacle.
How could so many people be involved in this cover-up and scores of persons be so clueless? Is this what Broad's father is ranting about??

lyle

I mean just a couple of eggs in an omelette is not optimal, huh, Zero?

Extraneus

That's her, daddy. Natalie Khawam. She's bigger than Jill.

Rob Crawford
I mean just a couple of eggs in an omelette is not optimal, huh, Zero?

Like his old pal from the neighborhood, he's hoping for a lot more.

Clarice

So, Taranto apparently sees it as I do. I'm feeling a lot more comfy.

daddy

I was just thinking that it would not surprise me if Hilary stepped in to take John Kerry's Massachusetts Senate Seat. Why not?

Sure she's technically not eligible never having lived in Massachusetts (Ha, Ha, Ha! New York anyone?)
She's at least as intelligent and Marxist as Lizzy Warren.
And the voters or Governor, (whichever bunch makes the pick) are leftist morons.
And Conner Kennedy is too young to get elected at the moment.

Whats not to like?

maryrose

Susan Rice as SOS is an outrage. Repub senators must vote against her nomination on the basis that she is liar. I don't want to hear lame excuses. She failed in her job and lied about it.That disqualifies her. If Barry isn't going to be made to pay then no one else advances on this travesty.

lyle

Can I make a petition to strip the citizenship of anyone who wants to strip the citizenship of anyone who wants to secede?

Might be easier to just dress like a stripper like Jill Kelley in Ex's 5:16 link.

(Didn't Tim Blair riff on the anti-war sincere head tilt for weeks some years ago?)

Old Lurker

I must rise in defense of Iggy. His taste is MUCH more discerning than those two. Or four depending on how you count.

maryrose

Taranto is a hero for raising this truth and defying Bammy and friends. In time the real facts will come out and it won't be pretty. It will make the squirrel sex scandal pale by comparison.

Danube of Thought

I believe this one isn't going away for a long, long time. Thank God the GOP kept the House.

lyle

In time the real facts will come out and it won't be pretty.

I hope you're right, maryrose. My cynicism meter blew up sometime last Wed., though.

daddy

Ext,

So the one wearing nothing is the sane one? Okay. Got it.

I think the Kardashians are gonna' have a new pack of rival's in the Reality Sitcom genre.

Keeping up with the Kardashians:

Keeping up with the Khawams:

Dave (in MA)

Maybe Hugo's nephew Joe Cubed can jump from Congressman-elect right into The Lurch Seat.

Jim Ryan

Wouldn't he have to get shitfaced and kill a date first?

Momto2

Has anyone commented on the appropriateness of unpaid social liaison (for an Air Force base) Jill Kelley's attire?

Well... I will comment that I think it looks trashy - that little beige number resembles a slip! And if you notice - the photo from the "Pirate Parade" with all of the couples - her dress is short, and black and she appears to be wearing some sort of thigh-high black boots - she would not make it through Rush at any of our SEC schools down south!!

lyle

I should be clear, Blair was having fun with the anti-war crowd. I'm not saying these gals are anti-war but what's with the head tilts? And the cheap jewelry?

Sandy Daze


1.Susan Rice as SOS is an outrage.
2.Repub senators must vote against her nomination on the basis that she is liar.
3.I don't want to hear lame excuses.
4.She failed in her job and lied about it.
5.That disqualifies her.
6.If Barry isn't going to be made to pay then no one else advances on this travesty.

Posted by: maryrose | November 13, 2012 at 05:30 PM

1. Agreed.
2. Should do so.
3. Neither do I.
4. Depends. (not the wearable kind). She did exactly / EXACTLY what she was sent on those news shows to do, never deviated from message. She may have ensured the re-election, certainly did not hurt prospects at all. IOW, she did not fail, she succeeded spectacularly.
5. Perhaps it disqualifies her in your eyes, but in her bosses' eyes (ValJar, the JEF), she performed magnificently.
6. Nice thought, not much chance.

daddy

Please link the Taranto you guys are talking about.

Janet

Story at Drudge - MYSTERY: Broadwell's driver's license found in D.C.'s Rock Creek Park...

RichatUF

I think I'll drink and listen to some deftones tonight. This story is just getting to be too much.

Sandy Daze

IIRC, the Kelly sisters are of Lebanese ethnicity. The hair color, mannerisms (head-tilt) which are grating to our sense of Florida (or America) born and bread gals, would, perhaps, not be unusual for exotic imports, which may also, in part, account for Jill Kelly's ability to become an "Honorary" international Ambassador for CENTCOM, seeing as she was from one of the countries in the (or close to the) CENTCOM Area Of Operations.

Danube of Thought

Taranto link (may be protected).

Barbara
Remember ValJar said it would be payback time

BB Key,

I believe that this has a lot to do with what we are seeing. None of the information about the DCI or Gen. Allen had to be revealed. Remember the story that the FBI had completed its investigation of those emails? Nothing there; investigation dropped.

All this information has bled out since the election, and bingo, the FBI has resumed its investigation. Val Jar means to terrify the military into subservience and Petraeus was just the first and biggest target. Stay tuned.

Extraneus
Danube of Thought

Susan Rice as SOS is an outrage

Her confirmation hearings should be a circus.

Jim Ryan

Will GOP get to cross examine her as SOS nominee?

Dave (in MA)

Janet, I saw that when I had my browser window partly obscured, and it looked like it said

MYSTERY: Broadwell's driver
found in D.C.'s Rock Creek

Extraneus

I still think the "under the desk" detail was a shot across the bow to warn Petraeus to behave. Why else release that irrelevant tidbit? Surely he has more dirt on Obama, and surely they have more dirt on him.

Btw, if one were to send one's mistress an average of 3 short emails per day, they'd number over a thousand per year. Thousands of emails over a couple of years wouldn't be as obsessively unreasonable as it sounds.

Momto2

black dress with boots

Here is the photo with the boots I mentioned above.... I notice this dress also resembles a black slip....

Janet

Nothing will surprise us, Dave.

Danube of Thought

Afroyim v. Rusk (1967):

Held: Congress has no power under the Constitution to divest a person of his United States citizenship absent his voluntary renunciation thereof. Perez v. Brownell, supra, overruled. Pp. 387 U. S. 256-268.

(a) Congress has no express power under the Constitution to strip a person of citizenship, and no such power can be sustained as an implied attribute of sovereignty, as was recognized by Congress before the passage of the Fourteenth Amendment, and a mature and well considered dictum in Osborn v. Bank of the United States, 9 Wheat. 738, 22 U. S. 827, is to the same effect. Pp. 387 U. S. 257-261.

(b) The Fourteenth Amendment's provision that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States . . . are citizens of the United States . . ." completely controls the status of citizenship, and prevents the cancellation of petitioner's citizenship. Pp. 387 U. S. 262-268.

lyle

...born and bread gals, would, perhaps, not be unusual for exotic imports, which may also, in part, account for Jill Kelly's ability to become an "Honorary" international Ambassador for CENTCOM, seeing as she was from one of the countries in the (or close to the) CENTCOM Area Of Operations.

So they might be the gold-digging types? Dressing like hookers might also help.

daddy

Jennifer Griffin just now sticks with the Detainee Story on Bret Baier's story. She says there is a little noticed loophole in the operating orders for the CIA, allowing "temp detention" of various militant elements.

Jim Ryan

So she also killed Vince Foster and dropped her DL when she dumped his body? Unbelievable. But I wouldn't put it past this hussy.

Danube of Thought

Will GOP get to cross examine her as SOS nominee?

Yes. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, including Rubio, /corker, Inhofe and DeMint.

It's starting to look like Obama's game of musical chairs in his administration may be facing a few hurdles.

Sandy Daze

heh-heh; and here I though nobody paid any attention to what I dictate to the monkey on the keyboard...

Sandy Daze

*thought* that's it, bred and water for the monkey until further notice !

Danube of Thought

How'd you like that dude to be your surgeon?

narciso

Wait a tick, as Austin Powers, would say, this was happening around the time of the Convention in Tampa,

Momto2

Oops... sorry the right side of the photo (will Jill in the boots) did not post! I am a novice html user.... you can just see the top of one in the right corner.

Barbara

DoT @6:03 PM

Thanks for the information. At least we have that - until they do away with the Constitution.

When Jane returns, I'd like to have a discussion about the tax policy on St. Janes.

Jim Ryan

Yes. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, including Rubio, /corker, Inhofe and DeMint.

Thanks. These guys better take this one chance they have and rake her over the coals. The press won't cross examine the admin.

lyle

Or you can click on Ex's 5:327 link for full hussydom.

Free State Paul

I still think the "under the desk" detail was a shot across the bow to warn Petraeus to behave. Why else release that irrelevant tidbit?

With today's revelation that they're also going after General Allen, I'm starting to think this is a shot across the bow of the entire military.

The military has the highest approval ratings of any federal government institution -- higher than most any institution, including organized religion and the press. The US military is a major obstacle standing in the way of the Obama/Jarrett "final transformation" of America.

I'm thinking this is a plan to strike fear into the military's high command. If generals as high-ranking and popular as Patraeus and Allen can be struck down with a click of the FBI's mouse, who can't be destroyed?

lyle

5:27 link, that is, if you're the prurient type.

Extraneus

In my experience, which is probably nerdier than most, there's always eye candy in big organizations, lyle. Even the military, apparently.

matt

Military life is different. If you've ever been to a military ball there are usually a number of wives dressed rather interestingly. Most of these are all ranks affairs so you get a gamut. Not a lot of your DC/NYC glamor queens, if you will.Some ghetto. Some redneck. A lot of lower middle class America. Not much of that Southern aristocracy left these days. These days a lot of tattoos.

The social ambassador function is to take the burden off of the wives of the senior officer and enlisted, especially when entertaining people from off base. They come for conferences, war gaming, etc, and the rules are pretty clear. Fraternization is a no-no, but it goes on.

These rally are thankless positions for the most part. "I put in 3 years of Tuesday and Thursday nights and all I got was this lousy piece of paper" stuff.

The Army/military family concept is very much apparent these days, especially with multiple deployments. If you're in a deployable unit you are either just back from theater; training to go back to theater, in theater, or in specialty training.

So far we know that:

1 - Petraeus and Broadwell had an affair that seems to have lasted @ 6-9 months.

2 - Broadwell sent some really stupid 16 year old level e mails to Kelley.

3 - an FBI agent was infatuated with Kelley and may have set off an investigation when none was in order.

4 - General Allen allegedly sent 20K+ inappropriate e mails to Kelley. As many Marines can be inappropriate by their very nature, we don't know what this encompassed.

5 - Broadwell, a military historian, had some classified stuff on her computer. As the military classifies just about anything including phone books these days that could be anything. depends on her security clearance and agreement with Petraeus as well.

So we are basically back to Petraeus had an affair with Broadwell which ended badly with both of them carrying the scars along with their families. And a media and Leftist bloc that is anxious to tear down a universal American hero.

The FBI was specifically ordered under the Bush Administration not to inform civil authorities on open criminal investigations. That there should have been an investigation is now subject to interpretation of the motives of an infatuated FBI agent.

Clarice

I think that's it in a nutshell, matt.

IIRC Broadwell has said she had a top secret clearance.

And she probably did

bgates

Will GOP get to cross examine her as SOS nominee?

Depends on whether she or her husband have ever been unfaithful. It's my understanding, based on the fact that neither Petraeus nor Hillary! will have to testify about Benghazi, that being in a marriage in which either spouse has an affair permanently exempts both spouses from having to appear before Congress.

narciso

That's true, Matt, I mean that Daly piece put things into perspective, 'a whole lot of sound and fury' excepting Petraeus's dalliance
with Broadwell.

JM Hanes

"Suppose (*SUPPOSE*) this report holds up and the atack on the consulate and annex was an attempt to free some Libyan militants from an off-the-books CIA detention center"

Wish I could remember where I read this, but someone pointed out that Broadwell could easily have just misinterpreted the reports about the 3 attackers who were captured at the Consulate and taken back to the CIA annex (and later handed over to the Libyan gov.). The vehicle which made that hair raising return was being pursued, I believe, so it would have been obvious where the prisoners were being held. I tend to doubt that the terrorists who launched the subsequent attack were actually trying to rescue their companions (with mortars!), but if they had know about its existence before that time, it seems likely that it would have been on their initial hit list. The CIA might have been doing some interrogations there, but considering the kind of operations they were conducting in Benghazi, it makes little sense to *suppose* that the Annex was simultaneously being used as an off book detention center or rendition destination.

From what we've been learning about Broadwell, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if she considerably exaggerated her insider access. Certainly wouldn't hurt her book sales, or her self-regard. I believe the F.B.I. established that there was no evidence that Broadwell had any unauthorized access to classified intel, so this seems like pretty watery gruel.

centralcal

The Kelleys seem to get sleezier and sleezier. They had a questionable charity too:

By the end of 2007, the charity had gone bankrupt, having conveniently spent exactly the same amount of money, $157,284, as it started with -- not a dollar more, according to its 990 financial form. Of that, $43,317 was billed as "Meals and Entertainment," $38,610 was assigned to "Travel," another $25,013 was spent on legal fees, and $8,822 went to "Automotive Expenses."

The Kelleys also listed smaller expenses that appear excessive for a charity operating from a private home, including $12,807 for office expenses and supplies, and $7,854 on utilities and telephones.

And, the twin sister was also an "officer" in the charity:

Jill Kelley's sister, Natalie Khawam, was listed as the only other officer of the charity. This past April, Khawam filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy, listing more than $3.6 million in liabilities, including $53,000 owed to the Internal Revenue Service and $800,000 owed to her sister and brother-in-law.
Captain Hate

Has anyone commented on the appropriateness of unpaid social liaison (for an Air Force base) Jill Kelley's attire?

It seems like every wedding I've attended for the last thirty years has at least one person who dresses like a hooker on full prowl. I've almost always been torn between how inappropriate it is versus how whoever does it always seems to be able to at least look good in it.

daddy

Thanks DoT for the Taranto link. I did not find the "loophole" allowing detention to continue in the Taranto link which jennifer Griffin mentioned as existing in her appearance on FOX, but I guess that whatever "loophole" terminology there is authorizing continued detention in that Executive Order will emerge within 24 hours.

narciso

As I pointed out, in he other thread, Vince Flynn's latest, takes some of these real issues re Afghanistan, Rapp investigates the disappearance of a high profile CIA official
with much classified information, that has fallen into the hands of the Taliban, the ISI, the Washington bureaucracy, including
a bossy State department minder, that might
seem familiar.

Jim Ryan

many Marines can be inappropriate by their very nature

Ha!

narciso

The way, I took Griffin's statement, was that those detainees were captured in the course of the battle, but that might not be so, JM,

daddy

Another sad point about this Patreaus affair, is that it allows Conservative Talking Heads a chance to spend their hours discussing something and removing them from any serious examination of other significant stuff like 59 precincts in PA voting 99 % for Obama, continued horrible FEMA performance in the North east, etc.

If this had not exploded in the headlines immediately after the Election, one would hope such topics would at least have been seriously dealt with, but now they have a huge squirrel to look at that deflects them from any serious examination of some Election things (ie Absent Military Ballots etc,) that desperately need examining. Fait accompli.

maryrose

daddy:
So true. They will find some loophole to cover-up the illegal activity and voila, it's legal.
Am I the only one waiting to watch the open hearing? Willit be on C-SPan I don't really trust what will be reported from the other 2 closed hearings.

Extraneus

It's an amazing coincidence, daddy.

Danube of Thought on IPad

"As many Marines can be inappropriate by their very nature"

To the extent that it is intended to apply to Marine general officers, I take vigorous exception to that statement.

Jim Ryan

Broadwell's a nut. Petraeus two-timed on his wife with a nut.

daddy

Um, Miss Khawam once dated Charlie Crist?

That explains why people think she's crazy:)

Off to terrorize Paragliders. Woof!

Threadkiller


"What did the president know, and when did he know it? Of what steel are the Republicans in Congress made? We’re about to find out.

Big scandals from little leaks grow. Watergate was at first only “a third-rate burglary.” Bubba thought he was only trying to cover up the details of a failed real-estate scheme down on the White River. Humiliation, resignation and even an impeachment followed.

History warns presidents that second terms are never Sunday picnics, and the unfolding —exploding is more accurate — of the story of what really happened on a violent night in Benghazi, Libya, and the days that followed is Barack Obama’s introduction to his next four years. We probably ain’t seen nothin’ yet."

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-washington-times-web-of-deceit.html?m=1

(A) nuther Bub

I think you may be right about which sister is wearing the abbreviated dress in that photo, daddy. They're twins, but the not-Jill twin seems to love her carbs more than the Jill twin.

centralcal

Mark Steyn:

On the one hand, a real ambassador at a real consulate under siege calls Washington for help and gets crickets chirping.

On the other, a fantasy ambassador who declares her own home her personal consulate gets untold hours of attention from the US commander in Afghanistan and the director of the CIA, both of whom also have time to intervene in her twin sister’s custody case.
[snip]
Maybe one of Mrs Kelley’s four-star pals could dispatch a drone or two to hover over her front yard.

RichatUF

Um, Miss Khawam once dated Charlie Crist?

I don't know...I find that doubtful...

Drinking hasn't helped. Maybe more drinking will.

JM Hanes

Now this, per Taranto, is almost pathetically funny:

In a Washington Post op-ed, the ghostwriter for the biographer of the CIA director complains that he feels left out, because he never had an inkling that the biographer and the CIA director were having an affair.

Broadwell didn't even actually write the biography herself!

Taranto's story has a too-good-to-check feel about it. The Nation, of all sources, breaks a story on Somali dungeons, and Broadwell refers to some CIA prisoners, et voila! The CIA was either exploiting a suspicious loophole in in the President's Executive Order or going rogue with a Benghazi Lubyanka.

narciso

We know how this administration, acts, JM it acts in contravention of it's public statements, except when they don't

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/petraeus-personally-investigated-benghazi-attack-libya/story?id=17706615#.UKLiUoacQsw

centralcal

JMH - he wasn't too ghosty of a ghostwriter, his name in on the dust cover right after hers.

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narciso

My best gues, is this operation was ordered from the CTC, through the MWR outfit, that was why they were unwilling to expend significant assets, because iit was deniable facility, a cynical notion, but nothing surprises me anymore,

Extraneus

For all the money I pay them, I would appreciate it if the FBI would provide an itemized list of who was doing Broadwell and each of the Khawam sisters, preferably in a color-coded Google calendar.

Janet

How can the Bill Clinton/no God in our platform party & the TV news business say anything about affairs or sexual inappropriateness.
What ultimate rules are they going by? In their world, is it even wrong that Petraeus had an affair?

Our government hired a guy who's organization promoted fisting to kids & that didn't seem to be a problem.
By what moral rules are these people judging Petraeus & Broadwell?

JM Hanes

Momto2:

"Oops... sorry the right side of the photo (will Jill in the boots) did not post! I am a novice html user"

If you know how to resize or reduce your photos, make them no wider than 5 1/2 inches (or 396 pixels), and they'll fit into the columns here without getting cut off on the righthand side.


Petraeus Inner Circle:

Petraeus Inner Circle

Jim Ryan

Wait, she has West Point, JFK School, U. Denver degrees and soon King's College London PhD. But she can't write well?

Donald

That's my point extraneous

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