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pagar

The Obama regime couldn't protect the Ambassador or others in Benghazi and no one was really responsible according to their investigation; but they got right on this case.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/coworkers-attacked-by-gas-645132

"blamed for creating "intolerable" workplace"

Extraneus

For my money, those in the House who torpedoed Plan B made a bad mistake.

Seems like it, but it's not over yet, is it?

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--columbine-had-armed-guard--

In lefty land, as Barry said, saving just one life, even if at the expense of everyone elses rights, is worth it.
Their proposals need not do any good at all as long as their bleeding heart was in the right place. In fact, as long as they can claim benevolence it's perfectly wonderful of them to build a one way escalator to hell out of their good intentions.

OTOH conservative proposals must be 100% effective or they are merely jokes to be sneered at.

Jack is Back

Okay, Y does everyone think the no on Plan B was a mistake?

Captain Hate

Okay, Y does everyone think the no on Plan B was a mistake?

I don't.

narciso

No, otherwise why have a Republican Congress, If California hadn't been further bled out, in this last race, if every cabinet post, hadn't been taken by Democrats, then I might agree with you Danube, The Occupy Horde, that characterized this electionm

Jack is Back

I am reminded that all this hullaboolu over taxes, budget and deficits is now a perferct tie for a major international incident to give Kerry his gravitas,

Countdown 10, 9, 8,......

matt

The Producers is the one that opened the door for the others and frankly may be Mel's best.

The sheer lunacy of the concept far outweighs anything that they call comedy today. Brooks and Carl Reiner have been a gift to us in a world gone mad and have helped me cope with the sheer idiocy of much of life.

what hump?

Extraneus

I'm a little leery about going to the mat for high income earners at this point. Many of them vote for Democrats anyway. I think I'd be willing to throw them all to the wolves in return for a zero increase in the debt limit.

Captain Hate

Where was Paul Ryan on Plan B? Before he got tapped for the VP candidacy I kept reading that Ryan was working behind the scenes with moderate democrats to forge a working coalition on budgetary issues. Either that was a lie or that coalition is now null and void. Either way I didn't hear a peep from him during this although maybe I haven't been paying close enough attention.

henry

Many of them vote for Democrats anyway.

Ugh... I'm tired of the justifications for class warfare from any side. If raising taxes is a good idea, everyone should pay a higher rate. Since it is a bad idea, no one should pay a higher rate. Simple question, simple answer.

Rocco

How does raising taxes on everyone making over a million dollars help an economy?

narciso

There are no moderate democrats, if there were Obamacare wouldn't have passed, ditto for the stimulus or Dodd Frank, they all read from the same hostage note, when it matters.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/12/21/Gabriel-Sherman-Jayson-Blair-on-steroids

Extraneus

If raising taxes is a good idea, everyone should pay a higher rate.

I didn't say it was a good idea, but if it was then I agree. A flat tax would be a lot fairer than any of the proposals out there, in my opinion. It's all politics now, though. There aren't any good ideas except for cutting spending, and nobody seems to have any idea about how to accomplish that.

narciso

Btw, Captain, I'm going to take a crack at Middlemarch, an annotated edition, as I did with War and Piece.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

The fact that there isn't violence against NRA members should give someone with more intelligence than a bran muffin, IOW someone besides Joyce Carol Oates, pause to reflect on whether law abiding gun ownership actually does deter criminals and other Democrats.

RichatUF

Their proposals need not do any good at all as long as their bleeding heart was in the right place.

What would expect from the Almost Hero of Algeld Gardens? With just a bit more time and money, he might have gotten a coalition together to talk about getting that nasty asbestos out of those projects.

Evening all.

narciso

Now, simple odds would dictate they should get something right, but that would be wrong;

http://twitchy.com/2012/12/21/sandra-fluke-how-we-raise-boys-is-contributing-factor-to-gun-violence/

Captain Hate

Good news on Middlemarch, narc; an annotated edition would be good because there are Parliamentary elections going on as a partial backdrop that would be interesting to have some insight into what is driving some of the characters. Not that the stories can't be enjoyed on their own without that.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

I'm somewhat surprised how Sandra Fluke was raised hasn't given rise to any substantial violence as yet.
Unless I missed her walking around with a well deserved boot in the arse. Did I?

RichatUF

I'm going to take a crack at Middlemarch

So am I. Hope to get it finished some time in January. I've got "Around the World In 80 Days" and "A Christmas Carol" as my Christmas reads and "Winter's Tale", "Middlemarch", and "The Man Who Sold the Moon" in the reading stack. Everyone here makes such great book recommendations so I thought I'd join in.

narciso

Well as long as I'm recommending, I might as well reciprocate btw it's the Neruda not Allende case, that's being translated into English,

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

I've got quite a backlog myself on the old nightstand.
Tonight I'm gonna knock off Archie and Veronica; Forbidden Love and then move on to my Calvin and Hobbes reader.
Tomorrow I start Diary of a Wimpy Kid 2.
It's like over a hundred pages so it'll hold me over til February anyway.

Jack is Back

What I want to know is someone can read Middlemarch and blog like naciso does at the same time?

Danube of Thought on IPad

The entire purpose of Plan B was to shift to the Dems the blame for what was going to happen anyway: everyone's taxes will go up. Reid had already declared that the Senate would do nothing, and had sent them home. The GOP could have passed any bill it wanted to, in the certain knowledge that it would not pass anyway.

So now the entire nation will see its taxes rise, and the universally understood reason will be that the GOP stood on principle. I'm sure a grateful nation will applaud them.

Let's stand on principle and run Christine O'Donnell and that Missouri fool for the Senate again.

Danube of Thought on IPad

Having some crap dipped in melted butter with my Martini tonight, Clarice. Yum yum.

Extraneus

If that's the way you like it, who are we to argue?

Extraneus

Think I'd have gone with Plan C, though.

Frau Krabbensalat

I hope Clarice is having crab with her Martini. We had a Russian friend who served "crap salad" at her parties. No one became ill.

Danube of Thought on IPad

Right now I'm getting a kick out of Drop City, a T.C. Boyle number from about 2003.

RichatUF

Tomorrow I start Diary of a Wimpy Kid 2.
It's like over a hundred pages so it'll hold me over til February anyway.

lol. I don't have a tv and pretty sure I'll be able to surf to the end of the internet with the hours I'm working over the holidays.

RichatUF

So now the entire nation will see its taxes rise, and the universally understood reason will be that the GOP stood on principle

Hasn't polling already shown that the GOP was going to get blame regardless of the outcome. Also, maybe it is time for some of the 53% to start paying for the government they want. People are voting for a 70s welfare state, let them pay for it too.

Melinda Romanoff on Kindle

Matt-

The 12 Chairs.

Trust me. I believe it was the Rob Reiner's inspiration for The Princess Bride. Absolutely hilarious.

And we're going to want all the humorous the world can muster for a while.

Chubby

The Republicans are damned if they do and damned if they don't. No matter what they do, it won't stop the Democrats from tearing them down. That being the case, the Reps might as well act as badly, that is to stop enabling Democrats, as the Democrats say they do.

Rudy Guiliani hosted Sean Hannity today and he did a great interview with Steve Forbes who had all kinds of ideas for how the Republicans should and could be dealing effectively with the Democrats.

Melinda Romanoff on Kindle

Rich-

Payroll reduction re-introduction will prove to be a nice icebreaker for the low information voter. And they won't even get a dinner before their just reward.

RichatUF


Aides to House leaders stayed later than their bosses, talking to reporters and trying to spin the collapse of “Plan B” as something better than a complete failure. As the clock neared 9 p.m., they tried mightily to project strength, but the energy among all Republicans, members and staffers, was sapped. There were no upbeat talking points, no chummy gaggle. This is a talkative bunch of people, but on this dreary night, not so much.

link here for NR's take


When even the House leadership is calling this an epic disaster, right on the heels of the election disaster, how is this not an epic disaster?


Chubby

I watched the BBC production of Middlemarch on Youtube. It was great.

RichatUF

Mel-

Payroll reduction re-introduction will prove to be a nice icebreaker for the low information voter. And they won't even get a dinner before their just reward.

And it will be just in time for their hours to be cut (for those that are lucky) or a pick slip (for those not so lucky). Hope they are better at budgeting than Congress.

Clarice

Just wait till someone else makes a typo!! That's not an idle threat.

narciso

And this qualifies in the 'man bites dog' department, yes they have to throw in Abu Graib, because,

http://www.nationaljournal.com/where-s-obama-in-the-benghazi-report-20121219

RichatUF

Chubby-

narciso mentioned it, but maybe we ought to send every GOP member of Congress a copy of The Prince. It makes better reading than the Winnie the Pooh coloring book they have been using for the last 2 years. The GOP caucus did to me the unthinkable. They brought attention to themselves with a proposal they knew wasn't going anywhere, and then couldn't keep their caucus together to muster 217 votes, knifing the leadership in the process. The only story over the holidays is going to be how the GOP couldn't reach a compromise or craft a deal ensuring everyone's taxes will go up for some part of the new year. (Seem to recall a similiar fight from the 1990's as well with the government shutdown).

Rick Ballard

Rich,

It appears as if Boehner's discipline move against a few conservatives had results which were not envisioned during the planning process.

The move may have been meant to intimidate some of the 34 incoming freshman Republicans and, instead, wound up costing Boehner his job.

Duke & Duke needs to order more fainting couches. Alternatively, they could just sit down, shut up and prepare for a much more than well deserved rest.

RichatUF

Just wait till someone else makes a typo!! That's not an idle threat.

I had to read DoT comment 3 times to see it. Ha.

narciso

True that, Rich, one thing Niccolo and Caterina did agree on, is to be ruthless to one's foes, and take care with one's enemies, just consider what she did to the failed rebels of Forli, which might have been over the top, but you know 'needs must' as Harry Pierce would say.

narciso

A few shock collars from Triskelion, will prevent
self impalement, like so;

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/21/latourette-blame-tea-party-chuckleheads-not-boehners-leadership/

RichatUF

Rick-

Didn't understand why Boehner did that at the time and I'm still puzzled by the election results and the GOPs actions since. Wow, talk about how not to lose an election.

narciso

Sadly they are following the Tory model, post 1997,that kept them in the wilderness for a dozen years,vhich has continued with Cameron purging opponents from the 1922 committee

Chubby

Rich,

Unfortunately the Hannity show doesn't publish transcripts (or I can't find them) but one of Steve Forbes' ideas was that the Repubicans should pass a bill saying it is illegal to take money from Medicare to fund Obamacare. Let Harry Reid say no to that. He had ideas for other kinds of bills the Republicans could be passing that would embarrass the Democrats all to hell.

Danube of Thought on IPad

"Hasn't polling already shown that the GOP was going to get blame regardless of the outcome."

Yes. That was the whole point of Plan B: "yes, your taxes went up, but they wouldn't have done so had the Senate acted on our bill instead of going home."

So now are we back to blaming Duke and Duke for Romney's loss? A very handy and ephemeral all-purpose scapegoat, it appears to me. What part did Duke and Duke play in the current fiasco? The Christine O'Donnell and Sharron Angle fiascos? The idiot from Missouri? The loss of a gimme Senate seat in Indiana?

If Duke and Duke don't have their fingerprints on those pratfalls, who does?

Thomas Collins

Re the cliff: Under the prior deal to raise the debt limit, doesn't the Executive Branch have the discretion to back load the cuts? If so, the new deal will be reached in January or February, and the supposed spending cuts won't have ever occured (the spending "cuts" in the January or February deal won't be real cuts). Taxes will go up in any event, because in the House, enough GOPers will join House Dems to pass tax increases in early 2013.

The problem is not the cliff. The problem is that the likely deal in early 2013 will not even begin to address entitlement reform. In other words, the road to fiscal ruin will continue.

narciso

Well one at a time, it was 'Duke and Duke' considered opinion 'that Obama was in over his head' meanwhile they painted Romney as tax dodging, cancer causing, dog killing, corporate raider, you see Marquise of Queensbury rules don't work.

Angle, emerged out of the dissolution of the Sue 'I can trade chickens for healthcare' Lydon, and Rove did take Angle under his wing, subsequently,As for O'Donnell, I don't have to list the pitiful performance of all Republican candidates, even Roth, in 2002,

Danube of Thought on IPad

My closing sentence would have been clearer if I had said "obviously the fingerprints of Duke and Duke aren't on this series of unforced calamaties. Whose are?"

Rick Ballard

Rich,

Take a look at the freshman class seats for both parties. Duke & Duke spends a lot of effort in searching for alternatives acceptable to "moderates" with seats in Blue Hells. The need to do so has been reduced significantly. The Commies now have a lot more worthless Blue Hell seats to protect and the Free State faction has grown considerably.

Boehner must have gotten a whiff about a Free State coalition forming and tried the discipline effort as the least futile, stupid and counterproductive move available.

He miscounted.

RichatUF

Chubby-

I think a lot of the stuff the House could do would die in conference and not be reported on, and regarding Obamacare, with the new Medicare tax (that 3.8% additional tax of cap gains and dividends?) and medical device tax they might be able to arrange the deck chairs for a while.

Thomas Collins

Rick, Boner has managed to create the worst possible situation for the GOP. Boner could have sent entitlement reform legislation to the Senate. Harry Reid would have sat on it, but the GOP would have been no worse off with the muddle than the current situation, in which GOP House Leadership looks exquisitely incompetent.

Chubby

Richard, Forbes wasn't suggesting that any of his legislative ideas would ever pass, but rather that the bills would disable the Democrats from being able to play the blame game.

Chubby

TC: ((Boner could have sent entitlement reform legislation to the Senate))

exactly

Jimmyk

If nothing the Rs passed in the House was going to get by the Senate, they still should have passed something. Then they could have plausibly blamed the Senate Ds for not acting on it. Now it's harder for the Rs escape blame, though I agree the media would blame them no matter what.

Chubby

oops I posted this in the wrong thread..

there's a downloadable mp3 file of Rudy's conversation with Steve Forbes today LUN

"Steve Forbes discusses what's next as the fiscal cliff approaches"

Chubby

((If nothing the Rs passed in the House was going to get by the Senate, they still should have passed something. Then they could have plausibly blamed the Senate Ds for not acting on it.))

that's right; they should be proactive, not leading from behind Obama

Captain Hate

Let's stand on principle and run Christine O'Donnell and that Missouri fool for the Senate again.

Romney for President worked out well.

Danube of Thought on IPad

"Romney for President worked out well."

Just tell us whom you would have preferred. Michelle Bachmann? That woulds showerd 'em!

RichatUF

Chubby-

We are dealing with folks that blame global warming for hurricanes (and rename hurricanes "superstorms") and are not ashamed to use a massacre to push for their agenda regardless of how bad it will be for the nation. Forbes ideas might have helped and may work still, but here we are:

1. The Supreme Court upheld most of Obamacare under Congress' power to tax.

2. The GOP lost the presidential election, house seats, and couldn't gain control of the Senate with a numbewr of weak Dems running with a Dem administration that had 8% unemployment and $4.00/gal gas prices.

3. The GOP House, in an aborted attempt to shift blame for the "fiscal cliff", loudly proclaimed they had a Plan B on offer, and even with a solid majority in the House, the leadership couldn't whip 217 votes to pass it.

Fortune is a harsh mistress.

Chubby

Democrats have no scruples whatsoever about how zany their candidates are, as long as they're down for the cause.

Captain Hate

Just tell us whom you would have preferred. Michelle Bachmann? That woulds showerd 'em!

You're the one who's bitching about primary winners who lost in general elections, not me. How do we find people that are acceptable to you who don't have to endure those icky primaries?

Danube of Thought on IPad

Seems to me the Tea Party bought into the "Obama is in over his head" theme about as heavily as anyone. Now it's a Duke and Duke failing?

Please tell me: even if you won't put any names to Duke and Duke, what did they have to do with Sharron Angle, Christine O'Donnell, the idiot from Missouri and the clown who gave away Lugar's seat? And if they had nothing to do with those humiliations, who then is to bear the blame?

Jimmyk

DoT, maybe a better question is why the GOP can't get better people to run. Why were we forced to choose between Gingrich, Santorum, and Romney? Something is discouraging better conservatives from jumping in.

Rick Ballard

TC,

It appears the Speaker was caught off guard by the shift in nature and temperament of his caucus. He seems to still believe the Northeast actually exists and, worse yet, has a value. His posturing and "Plan B" nonsense are completely inconsonant with the location of the heart of the party (which wanders from Kansas to Nebraska with occasional side trips to Oklahoma and refreshment breaks in Dallas).

I don't dislike the Speaker but he's been ineffective and has become a hindrance.

Captain Hate

Romney had an outstanding organization set up to win the primaries and do better than McCain did in the general election. The trouble is, he was always going to be a hard sell to the general population; hell, he had everybody here except Sara and a very few others hoping somebody would come from nowhere and wrest the nomination away from him, which didn't happen.

He'd have been a much better choice than the JEF, obviously; but we all knew it would be an uphill climb.

narciso

As opposed to who in the Democratic side, Biden, Hillary, Gravel, Kucinich and Obama, and guess who won in that derby,

RichatUF

Democrats have no scruples whatsoever about how zany their candidates are...

True, but I don't think it would be an improvement to put equally zany people on our side in office. Not sure why the times call for this sort of dysfunction but fortune varies and men go on regardless.

Chubby

((Something is discouraging better conservatives from jumping in.))

perhaps the spectre of being muckraked and having the entire media and Democratic Party assassinating one's character isn't that appealing.

Melinda Romanoff

Anybody ask themselves where Messina got his data for the personal pitch? They wouldn't share Census data for political purposes, would they?

Let's ask Rahm.

(Wouldn't take much of an ad campaign if the area's habits are already known, would it?)

RichatUF

Something is discouraging better conservatives from jumping in.

Wonder if that 4 Year Hate Campaign directed against Gov. Palin might have something to do with it? Or the 12 Year Hate Campaign directed against Pres. George Bush?

Captain Hate

I don't dislike the Speaker but he's been ineffective and has become a hindrance.

That and he should've been more proactive on dealing with this, particularly after his kicking the can down the road of a year ago. Getting snookered in the eleventh hour is inexcusable for somebody in his position.

Chubby

((True, but I don't think it would be an improvement to put equally zany people on our side in office.))

both the Missouri guy and O'Donnell would have been solidly reliable conservative votes ... unlike Scott Brown. That matters more than personality distinctions imo.

narciso

Now I've given him some breathing room, then he goes on, and removes all doubt;

http://weaselzippers.us/2012/12/21/rino-michael-steele-nra-press-conference-very-haunting-and-very-disturbing/

Neo

I went to see “The Hobbit” the other night, and I was struck that there must have been hundreds of goblins and orcs killed and injured in the movie without the use if a single gun.

Chubby

((Wonder if that 4 Year Hate Campaign directed against Gov. Palin might have something to do with it? Or the 12 Year Hate Campaign directed against Pres. George Bush?))

I think it does have something to do with it.

Rush eulogized Bork yesterday; he said that their destruction of Bork was when Democrats started playing the politics of personal destruction in earnest, led by Ted Kennedy.

RichatUF

Mel-

They wouldn't need census data with Google and Facebook on their side.

Also, for some reason, millions of reachable voters stayed home and a few million more should have been ours. Someone should at least try and answer DoT's question. Gov. Walker won election, a recall election, and the VP candidate was from the state. Obama won WI 53% to 46%. Virginia is a similiar.

Clarice

Walker won because he thought three steps ahead, never lost his cool and was fearless.

That's what you need when you have a moronic voting population and a seriously compromised press.

narciso

The left turns out it's often ignorant, angry, vulgar base, and 'our betters' do as much to do the opposite, In 1980, Reagan made it perfectly clear, that Carter was deliberately wrong, and we didn't need four more years of it,

Gus

Walker NEVER loses his cool. I know him and I like him a lot. As a person.

Jimmyk

"Wonder if that 4 Year Hate Campaign directed against Gov. Palin might have something to do with it? Or the 12 Year Hate Campaign directed against Pres. George Bush?"

No doubt. But I think there's something missing within the party too, that allows that to happen. The Dems close ranks, while the Rs bail.

RichatUF

Clarice-

But then why was he unable to translate some of that success into votes for the Senate seat and the Presidential election. Was it the campaign consultants and low information voters, Duke and Duke, aliens from Tau Ceti?

Danube of Thought on IPad

"why the GOP can't get better people to run."

I've been wondering about that for almost fifty years. I think the answer lies somewhere in the fact that if you are a statist, politics is your life--indeed it is the purpose of life; if you are not, politics is all but anathema to you. Running for public office runs somewhat against the grain of talented, intelligent people with conservative political instincts. They are the party of government, and governmental power is in the ascendant.

Fifty-six percent of Americans today approve of Barack Obama's performance in office. The serfs rally in gratitude behind the Benefactor.

Gus

Narciso, Steele is like the current get rich quick crony capitalist business environment. If you can't beat them, JOIN THEM. Business used to sell it goods and services to a public that in convinced.
NOW cheesy bad actors hook up with cheesy policos. They have no service or product, yet they seem to have the perfect product that the GUBMINT requires. Steele is joining the movement. The BANDWAGON.

RichatUF

The Dems close ranks, while the Rs bail.

Yeah, probably kneecapping the primary winner before she has a chance to even make her acceptance speech doesn't do alotta good...even if she is a bad candidate for the general (immature, untested, and an unfortunate record of her musings when she was a teenager)

Captain Hate

Well stated, DoT; therein lies the quandary.

narciso

well this is how we came up with Duke and Duke, considering he comes from Maryland, he rose rather quickly to Lt. Governor, the Establishment picked him to replace the cipher that had 'crashed and burned' during the 2008 election,

Rick Ballard

jimmyk,

You may be underestimating the weight of a very rich legacy oligarch who threw money at purchasing "most electable" status for five years. I'm not sure he's actually spit the consultant's hook yet. The other factors surely played a part but who wants to get in the ring with a $200 million dollar gorilla who plays patty cake with Commies while sic'ing his press whores on GOP contenders?

Captain Hate

Yes, Steele was our Billy Ray Valentine.

Gus

Danube. I agree. It's exactly the same as GOOOOOONIONS and their LOYAL BUFFOOOOONS. It is their LIFE. It's not about the job, the production, the success, the business or the growth and prosperity of the industry. It's about the GROUP, greazing at the trough and it's about sucking the host organism dry. It's selfish stupidity.

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