Do They Know It's Christmas Time?

The NY Times will heckle the rest of us endlessly about the perils of a gun-infatuated America, but don't get between them and their money. Here is an advertising insert from Sports Authority that Times readers were given an opportunity to peruse on Christmas morning.

And below the fold:

Is this the week Times readers want to see ads for toy assault rifles?

The far left hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing at the Times.

Comments

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Toy assault rifles?
How about the bike right below it?
Approximately 700 people die while riding bicycles every year.
Approximately 350 are killed by someone using all types of rifles every year.
Bushmasters don't kill people, Schwinns kill people.

[narciso]

Well it's like with the Illustrated Kos, Vanity Fair, which is always railing against the rich, but who do they chronicle, who are their high end advertisers.

[matt]

Greetings of the day to you all....halfway through "The Mauritius Command" in a once every half decade re-reading of the Aubrey-Maturin series. Should be done sometime in January. The Hobbit was very entertaining last night, and the house is still quiet. Expecting the rush any minute.

The only thing daddy forgot in his recipe was "first, catch poisonous snake". Otherwise I would think it the Cheval Blanc or Lafitte Rothschild of snake wines or oils.

Off to Mass; after which we will be gin dinner and proceed from there. Best to all!

[Santa's helper]

What are y' complainin' about. It's not like it has a high magazine clip or anything.

[hit and run]

Iggy:
Approximately 700 people die while riding bicycles every year.

Yike. Hopefully no hot chicks on them...

[Jimmyk]

Coulter tweets, re the guy who shot those firemen in Rochester: How's it "manslaughter" for KILLING YOUR GRANDMOTHER W/ A HAMMER? Libs put psychos on the st. & then demand our guns.

[marlene]

Merry Christmas! We've returned from the cabin.Last night it was quiet,clear and cold.I looked up at the stars and counted my blessings. Thanks for being such a wonderful group of people and thanks to our host,TM!

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

God watches out for fools, children and hot chicks on bikes.

[Danube of Thought on IPad]

My heart soars like the hawk:

"Washington D.C. Police Chief Cathy Lanier has confirmed that the department is looking into allegations that NBC´s David Gregory violated D.C.´s gun banning laws during a recent taping of Meet the Press."

[hit and run]

Matthew 1:18-24

18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. 19 Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.

20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”

22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).

24 When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife.

[hit and run]

Luke 1:26-34

26 God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27 to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28 The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”

29 Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”

34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?"

[hit and run]

Luke 1:35-45

35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. 36 Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be unable to conceive is in her sixth month. 37 For no word from God will ever fail.”

38 “I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” Then the angel left her.

39 At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of Judea, 40 where she entered Zechariah’s home and greeted Elizabeth. 41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. 45 Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!"

[hit and run]

Luke 1:46-55

46 And Mary said:
“My soul glorifies the Lord

47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,

48 for he has been mindful
of the humble state of his servant.
From now on all generations will call me blessed,

49 for the Mighty One has done great things for me—
holy is his name.

50 His mercy extends to those who fear him,
from generation to generation.

51 He has performed mighty deeds with his arm;
he has scattered those who are proud in their inmost thoughts.

52 He has brought down rulers from their thrones
but has lifted up the humble.

53 He has filled the hungry with good things
but has sent the rich away empty.

54 He has helped his servant Israel,
remembering to be merciful

55 to Abraham and his descendants forever,
just as he promised our ancestors."

[hit and run]

Luke 2:1-12

1 In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world. 2 (This was the first census that took place while Quirinius was governor of Syria.) 3 And everyone went to their own town to register.

4 So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, because he belonged to the house and line of David. 5 He went there to register with Mary, who was pledged to be married to him and was expecting a child. 6 While they were there, the time came for the baby to be born, 7 and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no guest room available for them.

8 And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. 9 An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified.

10 But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people. 11 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord. 12 This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger."

[hit and run]

Matthew 2:1-11

1 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem 2 and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”

3 When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him. 4 When he had called together all the people’s chief priests and teachers of the law, he asked them where the Messiah was to be born.

5 “In Bethlehem in Judea,” they replied, “for this is what the prophet has written:

6 “‘But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah,
are by no means least among the rulers of Judah;
for out of you will come a ruler
who will shepherd my people Israel.’”

7 Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared. 8 He sent them to Bethlehem and said, “Go and search carefully for the child. As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him.”

9 After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen when it rose went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was.

10 When they saw the star, they were overjoyed. 11 On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Thanks, Hit.

[Jack is Back]

Did anyone see the article (can't remember the site) where a prominent Israeli archeologist is saying that the Bethlehem we think is the birthplace of Jesus is in fact the wrong Bethlehem. The Bethlehem were Christmas is celebrated by all the tourist/pilgrims is on the West Bank and this guy says that back in the 1st Century there is no sign that any Jews lived there. He says the real Bethlehem of Christ's birth is in Galilee about 5 miles from Jesus's boyhood home of Nazareth.

Interesting.

BTW, just back from walking 5 holes with Mrs. JiB and Frederick. No one out, just us 68F on the ocean with a cooling ocean breeze out of the southeast.

[gmax]

I bring to you tidings of great joy, for today a savior has been born to you, Christ the Lord.

Merry Christmas to all. I have the whole brood plus my Mom and Dad in for the holidays, AND its snowing to beat the band out my back windows! I am truly blessed.

[narciso]

I don't know how serious to take this JiB,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/9764393/Birth-of-Jesus-celebrated-in-wrong-Bethlehem.html

[narciso]

It's not a particularly new story;

http://paleojudaica.blogspot.co.uk/2007_12_30_archive.html#2212979815083924737

And the evidence seems kind of spotty.

[Jack is Back]

Yikes!

I sure hope that Israeli archeologist is wrong about Bethlehem in Galilee. This is the wiki entry regarding it as a Templer colony:

"In 1906 Templers from the German Colony in Haifa established a colony in Galilee,[2] naming it for the ancient city. Most Templers bore German citizenship. In 1932 the Nazi party won its first two members in Palestine, Karl Ruff and Walter Aberle from the Templer colony in Haifa.[3] In the course of the 1930s, Bethlehemites also joined the Nazi party, indicating the fading affinity to the Templers' original ideals. By August 1939, 17% of all German Christians in Palestine were members of the Nazi party.[4] After the Nazi takeover in Germany, all international schools of German language subsidized or fully financed by government funds were obliged to employ teachers aligned to the Nazi party. In 1933, Templer functionaries appealed to Paul von Hindenburg and the Foreign Office not to use swastika symbols for German institutions in Palestine and voiced opposition to the boycott of German Jewish shops.[5] Later, this opposition subsided. An Arab branch of Hitler youth was established with the help of government subsidies. On August 20, 1939 the German government called on German Christians in Palestine to join the Wehrmacht and 350 men enlisted.
After the start of the Second World War, all Germans in Palestine were declared enemy aliens. The British authorities sent them to Sarona, Bethlehem (Galilee), Waldheim (today's Allonei Abba) and Wilhelma. In summer 1941, 665 German internees, mostly young families with children, were deported to Australia, leaving those who were too old or sick. In December 1941 and in the course of 1942 another 400 German internees, mostly wives and children of men who had enlisted in the Wehrmacht, were released - via Turkey - to Germany for the purpose of family reunification.[6]
In 1945 the Italian and Hungarian internees were released but the Britons refused to repatriate the remaining German internees to the British zone in Germany. In 1947, they were allowed to emigrate to Australia. [7] By May 14, 1948, when Israel declared independence, only 50 Templers remained in the country. [8]"

[narciso]

Well seeing as Sadat, was at one time, a collaborator against the British, it's not terribly surprising, but dissapointing nonetheless

http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/update-islamists-and-old-regime-men-morsy-s-shura-council-appointments

[Jack is Back]

narciso,

There they go again using that phrase "Moderate Muslim".

[narciso]

Yes, JiB, here's a tip if you were involved in the Sadat assasination like this Ghany character,
chances are 'you're not a moderate Moslem'

Interestingly, one radio station of an Christian nature, was arguing whether to celebrate the birth at all, in part arguing over the date, but also that the message was the one conveyed by his death and resurrection, the part from John 3;16, I think that's being a touch too strict

[narciso]

Yes, very near beer in deed;

http://www.topix.net/forum/city/elizabethton-tn/T0IKM1I9PER20K0M9

[Extraneus]

Now that makes me merry.

[narciso]

I know you are surprised as I, since they pride themselves on transparency

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/12/nbc-news-stonewalls-inquiries-regarding-david-gregory-and-active-investigation-by-d-c-police/

[narciso]

Since it is a poorly crafted law, at best;

http://twitchy.com/2012/12/25/twitter-user-offers-to-defend-nbcs-david-gregory-on-2nd-amendment-grounds/

[Janet]

I wonder where Gregory got it? He probably didn't go buy it. Maybe from Sen. Jim Webb.

[Extraneus]

Whoever "transferred" it to him also committed a crime in DC.

[Extraneus]

Unless it wasn't transferred in DC; in which case, Gregory brought it into DC. Isn't that also a crime?

[jimmyk]

I'm guessing Gregory will opt for a defense based on the 1st rather than the 2nd, as bogus as that might be.

[narciso]

Just send him to Mexico, where it's probably illegal as well, unless the ATF ships the weapon.

[Porchlight]

Greetings of the day to you all....halfway through "The Mauritius Command" in a once every half decade re-reading of the Aubrey-Maturin series. Should be done sometime in January.

Goodness, I wish I could finish in such a short time. It's been over 5 years since I first began Master And Commander and I'm still on The Hundred Days. Then again I've been dawdling because I don't want it to end.

The Mauritius Command was an especially good one.

Well, Santa had a lot of presents to wrap last night, it turns out, and Mom and Dad are now too pooped to cook Christmas dinner. So it's going to be Boxing Day dinner instead. Which is in keeping with the English Christmas cake I have for dessert.

[hit and run]

Gmax -- do please give Jmax a hug from me and princess hit and run.

[jimmyk]

Oops, posted this on the wrong thread.

Answering daddy's post from an earlier thread: No sunburn from the Oz beach--in fact it wasn't great beach weather, a mix of sun and clouds and an occasional shower. I did manage to snag some great souvenirs, including one of these that I know everyone will envy.

And I still haven't managed to get my sleep back on schedule. Next week I'll be off to San Diego, so maybe I'll get adjusted there. Danube, are you or any other JOMers available? Probably Thursday would be the night.

[Danube of Thought on IPad]

We should be right here, Jimmy. Do you have my e-mail?

In the summer of '93, in the car on the way to LAX headed for a hunting safari in Africa, my partner's wife handed me Master and Commander and Post-Captain. Almost a life-altering event.

[DrJ]

Sheesh, jimmyk, and I thought I had seen it all.

Merry Christmas to all! We went to see Kenso this morning, and, well, he looks like a new born. He slept the whole time we visited.

I'm finishing up building a new computer for MrsJ's mother, and it is turning out rather nicely. Her old one is a Pentium-4-era box, and it is nearing the end of its life. So I put together a rather peppy little one in a small-form-factor box (it looks like a large, black loaf of bread).

And Santa was good to me: he left 750 ml of a 16 year old Lagavulin single malt, and two nights in a nice hotel in Santa Rosa. So we're off tomorrow for a few days of friends, food and wine.

[Extraneus]

What are you gonna keep in you kangaroo scrotum, Jimmy? Gold coins? Diamonds? Voodoo potions?

[hit and run]

I failed to ask Santa for a kangaroo scrotum.

Damn.

[Captain Hate]

Since it is a poorly crafted law, at best

Shocking that when you put people like Marion Barry in charge you get clown laws.

[Jack is Back]

I have two beagles trying to get their paws and jaws on our leftover roast beef which ironically turned out medium rare at a temp of 165f. How the hell did that happen:)

[Jane - Mock the Media!]

David Gregory MUST do jail time. He must be made an example - or what will the children think?

[narciso]

Yes, I'm sure the local gang are terrified of brandishing the magazine of whatever their weapon of choice is.

[narciso]

And this level of stupidity and mendacity should be illegal,

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/12/those-who-want-the-christ-out-of-christmas-have-no-idea-what-theyre-talking-about/#comments

[Captain Hate]

The ignorance of Amanda Marcotte is overwhelming. Well done, Slate.

[narciso]

Agonizing, then again, I thought that level of idiocy, would be safely quarantined at Pandagon, but like a full Andromeda pandemic, it has migrated to the Washington Post, and probably Time Magazine, 'if needs must'

[Can't even remember its name.]

I happen to believe Patrick O'Brian owned a time machine. I also used to have a copy of a little book that he had translated, written by a French Catholic scholar, about the Holy Land during the time of Jesus. I wish I could find it now, it was lovely.
=================

[narciso]

This almost makes up for his hiring Dan Rather, and funding 'Redacted' I say, almost;

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/12/24/Fracking-War-Goes-Hollywood

[Ben Franklin]

HAPPY CHRISTMAS AND A MERRY NEW YEAR TO ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE HUMAN RACE ATJOM

[Jim Ryan]

Merry Christmas!

Went to the midnight mass at St. Thomas Aquinas Church here in Charlotesville. The choir was good. There is a choir in Minnesota: The Singers. Was listening to them last night (livestream from the Minnesota classical station.) Boy, are they good. Not that I know much about choral music. I have been unfamiliar with "The Holly and the Ivy" and "Dulci Jubilo" until this season. Those are nice pieces.

Was at a Christmas party. A Christmas book for kids was on the hallway table. It was a nice popup book showing how each letter has something to do with Christmas. I look at the page for "J." It was Joy. Huh. Okay. I looked at the popup for "C". It was "candle". Huh. Well, one doesn't want to get too zealous, you know.

[RichatUF]

Merry Christmas to Tom and his family and many thanks for this electronic sandbox. Merry Christmas to the wonderful folks here and a Happy New Year.

[Porchlight]

my partner's wife handed me Master and Commander and Post-Captain. Almost a life-altering event.

Yes, DoT. I have found myself wanting to use "life-changing" before in regards to the novels. I don't use that term lightly, either.

[jimmyk]

What are you gonna keep in your kangaroo scrotum, Jimmy?

Candidly, that is not a question I'd ever given much thought to (or anticipated ever being on the receiving end of) prior to my trip, so I'll have to defer for now.

I do believe they are available online for those who, like hit, are now regretting their Christmas wish lists.

[Porchlight]

Well, one doesn't want to get too zealous, you know.

No, certainly not. A couple of years ago I got a Christmas card where a (secular) friend had written about "Santa's beautiful message" of Christmas. Santa's beautiful message?

[Jim Ryan]

Rich, when do you start school? January? I have a pipe dream of applying to GMU's software engineering distance master's program someday. You going to be on campus?

[narciso]

I think I first saw that particular item, jimmy, in one of Dave Barry's end of year gift suggestion, I actually don't want to be right about that,

[Jim Ryan]

Yes, and narc's link about how Dickens captures the meaning of Christmas better than the story of Jesus's birth - you'd have to have an Ivy League degree to say something that idiotic.

[Stephanie]

Jim, yes those are wonderful pieces. As I mentioned on the other thread, Holly is my fav carol. Love In Dulci Jubilo, too. Very classical and timeless. Also look up "Pat a Pan" for some more classical Christmas if you are so inclined.

[Jim Ryan]

Thanks, Stephanie.

[narciso]

Idiotic thinking is not limited to this shore;

http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2012/12/the-definition-of-idiocy-is-doing-same.html

[Threadkiller (Get off your couch and leave the GOP!)]

Odds are that I pull a Mr. Creosote after all that I ate.

"I'll have the lot."

Merry Christmas!

[Sue]

Gmax

Christmas Day snow in Texas. It is truly a miracle.

[RichatUF]

Jim-

Rich, when do you start school? January? I have a pipe dream of applying to GMU's software engineering distance master's program someday. You going to be on campus?

January 22 is when classes start. I have to sit down with my FA when I get back to civilization (I'm working over the holiday, even tonight;). I'll be on main campus mostly. The admissions office estimated that I'd need about 60 hours to complete my EE but I'll have to plan it out with my FA.

Go for it with your application!

[RichatUF]

Christmas Day snow in Texas. It is truly a miracle.

The wickedness of Climate Change knows no bounds.

Can't wait to take my car out on its first patch of ice (overpowered and dry tires-natch).

[narciso]

Well. talk about missing the mark,

http://www.ricochet.com/main-feed/Michael-Barone-on-the-GOP-Incapable-of-Governing

[RichatUF]

narciso-

I think Barone got it.

You can see this as an attempt to influence public opinion. Current polling shows that voters say they will blame Republicans more than Democrats if we go over the fiscal cliff.

But people are not always good predictors of their future opinions. The failure of the grand bargain negotiations in summer 2011 was followed by downturns in opinion toward both Obama and Republicans.

Senate Democrats have been avoiding tough votes on fiscal issues for some time. They haven't passed a budget resolution for three years, though the budget act requires them to do so.

That likely reflects a reluctance to make their policies clear to the public and, perhaps, differences in their caucus making it as hard for them to muster a majority as it was for Boehner Thursday night.

Are we going over the cliff? Looks like it to me.

I think part of the problem was that the GOP House thought that they had people to bargin with in the Senate and White House. The Dems don't want to go on record (it is easier to steal when there is no budget) and the White House wanted to go over the cliff anyway. Knifing the leadrship while heading out the door was the unexpected touch to the whole thing.

Hope your Christmas went well.

[narciso]

Well we got our gifts early, what about the last four years 'I Won' for instance, gave them any such hopes, the fact that we had a blanc mange standard bearer, was the icing on the cake,

They weren't elected to concede on taxes, even if their margin was reduced, they still have the leadership, yet they act as if they didn't.

[RichatUF]

what about the last four years 'I Won' for instance, gave them any such hopes...

They aren't called the stupid party for nothing.

[narciso]

Touche, btw I'm thinking of doing a web site development course, any thoughts.

[narciso]

They are still looking for SkyDragon nests;

http://www.thepiratescove.us/2012/12/25/joe-romm-invokes-ghost-of-christmas-future-for-hotcoldwetdry/

[cathyf]

btw I'm thinking of doing a web site development course, any thoughts.

I think web development is probably a thing of the past. Learn Concrete -- clients don't need some beautiful handcrafted site that is obsolete as soon as it's installed, they need a flexible tool that allows them to update their own content.

[RichatUF]

narciso-

That's a bit out of my wheelhouse. Miami-Dade and Broward probably have something on offer though at least to get started. Not sure about online or distance options.

[Porchlight]

But people are not always good predictors of their future opinions.

You can say that again. A George Eliot-esque observation by Barone.

[narciso]

I've never heard of Concrete, is that new variation on Java, some new form of HTML.

[jimmyk]

clients don't need some beautiful handcrafted site that is obsolete as soon as it's installed, they need a flexible tool that allows them to update their own content.

I'm not so sure. Being on the other end of this, I do appreciate being able to keep content up to date, but it still seems important to have a good framework. I would be more concerned about how rapidly whatever I would learn in such a course would become obsolete unless I immediately plunged into the industry and managed to keep up. I don't know your age or background, but it seems like a young person's field, and not something to plunge into from anything other than a techie and/or graphic design background.

[RichatUF]

and Steve Jobs too, “It’s really hard to design products by focus group. A lot of times, people don’t know what they want until you show it to them.”

Which going back to the boston.com piece from a few days ago, Romney led in a bunch of catagories in exit polling, things that one would **assume** would have made a difference, except one, "Does he care about people like me?". So after 8% unemployment and $4 gal/gas, people still believed that Obama "cares" about them.

Sorry to start this up so late on Christmas Day. Hope Christmas was great for you and your family.

[Neo]

Heard this story from a nuclear engineer for an unnamed utility.
It seems that had it not been for two nuclear power plants in New Jersey, all of New York City would have been dark during Sandy.

[narciso]

That's not surprising, California wanted to boycott Arizona until they realized they supplied 20% of their power,

They pulled off, the neat trick ofdissassociating
cause from effect,

[cathyf]

Concrete is a web site content management system that is free and ridiculously easy to use to get a nice basic site up. You set up the site, and then you can change the look and feel of it via templates. Basic templates are free, and more complex ones can be had for cheap (typically $10-$40) and then there are clever add-ons that you can also purchase. But you set up a site for a client, and they can do wysiwyg editing of it very easily. Being skilled in the tool just naturally makes you construct clean well-organized sites -- it's basically the path of least resistance with the tools.

We have had plenty of experiences with sites where somebody knew somebody and they got some local college student to build something as part of his class -- and then the student disappears, and the site is a mass of spaghetti code. We then set up a Concrete site for them, and make it look pretty much like the old site, but then the customers can have control of it after we finish the setup.

[hit and run]

jimmy:
I don't know your age

The List does.

[Dave (in MA)]

jimmyk at 05:06 PM, yikes, now I know why Rolf Harris had to tie his kangaroo down.

[(A) nuther Bub]

I have two beagles trying to get their paws and jaws on our leftover roast beef which ironically turned out medium rare at a temp of 165f. How the hell did that happen:)

When I saw that, Jack, I really thought maybe I had had a senior moment and had become confused about the temp for roast beef at various stages of doneness. Wouldn't be the first time my recall has failed, sorry to say. Thus I just Binged "at what temperature is roast beef considered well done?" and read through three of the multitude of sites that came up. All of the ones I saw defined "well done" at internal temps of 150 to 155 when removed from the oven (after which it will gain another 10 degrees or more while resting). One of the articles cautioned that beef at that temperature is likely to be juiceless and less tender.

It's silly to make a big deal about a trifle but I'm trying to figure out why our experiences could vary so much. Puzzling isn't it? We may have a wide variance in the accuracy of our insta-read thermometers is all I can determine. Or a differing definition of "medium rare."

[narciso]

Of course, you do that a kangaroo, and they will react violently, which is the only proper explanation for this;

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/no_surprises/

[rse]

Happy Boxing Day!!

I see they Slime of record is pushing the meme that the Tea Party has been vanquished and is now turning to fringe issues.

I guess that translates into still being deemed a threat unless they can make the term synonymous with lunatic. A bit like Romney doesn't care for people like me.

[centralcal]

Meat Temperature Chart
(Fahrenheit)

Beef
Rare 120° - 125°
Medium-rare 130° - 135°
Medium 140° - 145°
Medium-well 150° - 155°
Well done 160° and above

[narciso]

Yes, that was the chart I saw, central. that oven's got something on the fritz.

[rse]

narciso-I turned my attention back to Csik yesterday afternoon by the fire in a quiet house. He has the nicest things to say about Heidigger, Sartre, and Gramsci's lovely writing. And he thinks it is horrific how Marx's philosophy of freedom became so warped by others in its implementation.

Gag. And his views of using psychology procedures in the classroom on students to achieve same end is what prof devt now consists of.

Such mischief.

[narciso]

'Oh Frabjous joy' rse, that's not the bug, it's the feature in the system, Port Arthur in 1996,
was critical in Australia, thanks Spady, and we've seen from Tim Blair, the newest fashion in Triskelion collars with all the bells and whistles. Interesting I was watching an Australian series, based on the K-9 series from the old Doctor Who, which depicts a Department
which administers things in a dystopian manner, Aliens are the reason, for the department, but we know better.

[Jim Ryan]

CRA forced banks to take risks.

[narciso]

And Jamie Gorelick, just the sort to run, the counterpart of this Department,

[narciso]

And on a lighter note, I know the new Gi Joe reinvention, gets a fair bit of ribbing, but Paris is trashed, and Sienna Miller and Rachel
Nichols is in it, so how bad can it really be.

[pagar]

I don't see how any one that looked at the CRA issue on the first day it was mentioned could have concluded any other result would occur.

[Jack is Back]

Well I just found out that my meat thermometer was broke and when I posted medium rare at 165F I thought I had somehow done something no one at JOM thought possible:) I found out when I started to dry it and it was still stuck on 165F.

Plus my oven must be fickled since it burned the crust on my Mince Meat pie.

[narciso]

One can't forget the Boston Fed study on 'Redlining,' surprisingly these do,

http://www.frbsf.org/publications/community/cra/its_rating_stupid.pdf

[Jim Ryan]

Here's my 2008 layman's take on the crisis.

[narciso]

I know you're terribly surprised as well, sarc;

http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/mark-willis.asp?cycle=08

[Jane: Mock the Media]

There was a mole on the NRO cruise in November who works for New York Magazine. Here is the article he wrote. As with every liberal reporter what he cherry-picked and what he left out is insteresting.

[narciso]

Another one of their unconflicted analysts;

http://www.frbsf.org/cdinvestments/advisory_bios/chakrabarti.pdf

[narciso]

Yes, I noted it was very Hari, in it's stylings, from the house, that gave you 'Julianne's Bender'