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Melinda Romanoff on Kindle

Do not bring up iinstitutionalizing the mentally ill.

Danube of Thought

And once you red-flag a Holmes or a Lanza, what do you do?

MarkO

Freedom is so, so hard to control.

centralcal

Dumb = Obama

and Dumber = those who voted for him

Danube of Thought

They used to say the Viet Cong were manufacturing AK 47's in bicycle shops. Not sure about that, but it would be child's play for such a shop to manufacture magazines for them.

I believe I read that in the week after Sandy Hook 3.5 years worth of hugh-capacity magazines were sold. How many countless millions of them are already held by the public? If possession is outlawed, how many people will be arrested who, like David Gregory, "obviously didn't intend to commit a crime?"

It defies belief the extent to which the debate has focused entirely on menacing-looking inanimate objects, when the lunatics who are using them for mass murder have so many alternative means at hand.

narciso

The commenters on that piece, aren't buying the premise,

Jimmyk

No doubt if we gave up our freedom and turned into Singapore we'd have a more orderly society. I don't see that happening, so it's a pointless discussion.

Rob Crawford

Do not bring up iinstitutionalizing the mentally ill.

Journalists oppose this because they know they're the first in line for institutionalization.

narciso

Well focusing on that, avoids other thornier issues, (h/t; PW)


http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/?p=827

Jane - Mock the Media!

DOt,

The Steyn article you linked in the last thread is spectacular.

When will David Gregory speak out? I hear he is partying with Hillary as I write this.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

-- I hear he is partying with Hillary as I write this.--

Isn't that punishment enough?
I think I might opt for 10-20 making big rocks into small ones.

Beasts of England

Boy, oh boy! If we can just get the brilliant scientists who - rather amazingly - have found a causal relationship between carbon dioxide and (formerly) rising temperatures, imagine the predictive accuracy they'll have with gun / ammo purchases and mass murderers... Problem solved!

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Here's a thought;
Rather than invading the privacy of millions of innocent people engaging in their constitutional rights how about invading the privacy of people diagnosed as psycho/sociopaths, anti social PD's, narcissists, schizophrenics, etc and track their behavior?
Sure most of them are innocent too but there are less of them than gun owners and as far as I know there is no constitutional right to be a nut...yet.

Cecil Turner
Just look at the gun-acquiring backgrounds of some of our more recent mass killers to see what I mean.
Seriously? Why resort to sifting gun-buying habits of all Americans, when you could do something useful, like red-flagging the nutjobs? Even the NRA supports that one.

The reason, of course, is that it's an article of faith that gun control is the answer . . . and that it doesn't matter whether it would've stopped any of these incidents (there are obviously more effective approaches), or that some gun control legislation (e.g., "gun-free" zones) is actively counterproductive . . . any incident proves the gun controllers were right, and that more of the same will make us all happier (or something like that).

Threadkiller

Something he knows how to do:

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Good afternoon everybody.

For the past couple of months, I’ve been working with leaders of both parties to try and forge an agreement...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/president-obamas-remarks-on-the-fiscal-cliff-negotiations-dec-28-2012-transcript/2012/12/28/5fbb3abc-513b-11e2-950a-7863a013264b_story.html

What will he forge next?

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

LOL, TK.

Danube of Thought

"track their behavior"

Much easier said than done, I fear. I believe there are a hell of a lot of schizos and assorted nutballs who will never commit mass murder. Even forced institutionaliztion of such people would be a very expensive process.

narciso

Speaking of irrational behavior, it occurred to me, that Obama reminds me of Dennis Hopper's character in 'Speed,' that rigged the bus to blow, if it went under 55 mph,

Pops

"""Team Obama was very clever intheir use of Big Data. They started with their database of declared supporters. They then sifted that database ..."

I suspect we will find they used alot of information on welfare, etc. to target their base voters.

Pops

Its easy to get Mr. Gregory to the ultimate answer:

Q: David, would you allow law enforcement to have 30 round clips? And why?

David: Well, yes, I guess you would have to.

Q: Why?

David: In case they came up against a bad guy with a 30 round clip, you wouldn't want them to be outgunned.

Q: Then why do you want the average citizen out gunned by the bad guys?

Pops

Boehner has been a fool.

The Republicans, from the begginning should have said we will either revert to the Democrat tax rates or maintain the Republican tax rates.

narciso

One tried to spare, but they insisted, specially if you live in a deep blue state, to get kicked in the teeth, repeatedly by voting for Obama, I know sensible people, are also along for the ride,

Rick Ballard

"does he think that manufacturing a thirty dollar metal box with springs is too complex for a criminal enterprise to undertake?"

TK,

How long would it take you to jig up, cut the bottom off of one 15 round magazine, the top off a second one and weld the two together?

Why would anyone bother manufacturing?

richatuf

Good evening folks, catching up on the threads.

Pops-

boston.com had a nice write up of the Obama's use of Big Data. Had campaign operatives down to a 50 to 1 ratio. A bit scary to think about. brb.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

For daddy;
Duke guy hits a 79 yard punt that stops on the one yard line.
Especially for daddy; Cincinnati then marches 99 yards for TD and evenutally wins game.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--How long would it take you to jig up, cut the bottom off of one 15 round magazine, the top off a second one and weld the two together?--

Many magazines have reduced capacity by the installation of a filler block and shorter spring with the same outside dimensions as before. All you need in that case is a spring.

narciso

What's the reason for that, Ignatz;

JerryRigged

I wanted to see what the murder rate was if the major cities (>250k) were removed, so I did it (hope there are no errors). Don't live in a large city...seems kinda dangerous...

LUN for the file. (Need MS Excel '07 or '10...)

JerryRigged

It is the colored chart...the first chart is some of the numbers I was working with...

richatuf

Let me add that I am especially disappointed in this article because the underlying concept is potentially fascinating.

Or we could sit through Minority Report. Same disappointment, same great concept.

Michio Kaku has also looked at this as a futurist in his 2057 series (sort of).

sbw

What's the reason for that, Ignatz

To make it appear like you are playing with a full clip.

centralcal

Just loving Drudge right now. Barack Hussein Lincoln.

Naturally, I would do this to the Lincoln part, and just leave it at Hussein.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Well, I suppose I could say it keeps the look of a high capacity magazine and reduces tooling costs if they're already set up for that size magazine but mostly it's so you can just pull out the block and stick a long spring in it.

Same thing with pump and auto shotguns. It's generally illegal to hunt with more than a 3 round magazine so they insert a plug in the magazine tube and a shorter spring. For home defense purposes the plug can be removed and it turned into a five, six or even eight shot magazine.
It is not unheard of for hunters to do the same but the fines and penalties can be substantial if caught.

richatuf

Did anything come of that fiscal cliff meeting at the White House or was it more pr, more preening?

narciso

Except in minority report, it wasn't analytical, it was a certain insight the seers had from childhood exposure to a narcotic,

Free State Paul

RELIABLE magazines are a lot harder to manufacture than you might think. Go buy some cheapo mags at a gun show and you'll see what I mean.

richatuf

I suspect we will find they used alot of information on welfare, etc. to target their base voters.

I also wanted to add that they had people on their team that had worked at Facebook and Google so the possibility they were working with proprietary data shouldn't be ruled out. If they were, the violations would be quietly forgotten, because nothing was more important than electing the cool guy, y'know.

And law enforcment uses link visualization and social network analysis tools (can't remember which sheriff's office in Florida made it a specality) but when they would break up a meth ring or perscription drug ring they'd bring in 30 or 40 people for all sorts of crimes in addition to the drug charges to break it up.

richatuf

narciso-

oops, probably should have stayed awake to watch the whole thing. stepped on my own line.

narciso

Well I've seen it more than a few times, the title, in the film, refers to some of the alternate posibilities in certain given situation, I don't know if that was in the original PKD story,

narciso

In the story, it seems Anderton serves the function that Max Von Sydow does in the film,

richatuf

Thanks tk for the transcript. Still catching up.

Gus

Obama the Jug ear Mf'er wants us over the cliff. He doesn't give a crap about anything but his MARXIST dream. All the talk is beyond silly. Obama is a piece of crap. And I'm being nice.

daddy

Iggy,

Thanks for the link to that Duke Punter. I liked this line from the story: The good news is he’s a freshman. The bad news is Duke football will probably give him plenty of chances to practice his skill. Ha!

richatuf

Looks like an interesting read. Liked this from the wiki write up: "Precogs are deformed and retarded, "the talent absorbs everything"; "the esp-lobe shrivels the balance of the frontal area". They do not understand their predictions. Most of the data produced is useless for preventing murders and is passed to other agencies."

Not to dissimiliar to the black magic involved in sna.

daddy

Can you imagine the hollering that would be going on among the Press if it was a Republican President who announced today that he was giving Pay Raises to his VP? We would never hear the end of it until he resigned from office in disgrace.

narciso

Well daddy, when you have a prize like Biden who gave such good advice as not moving on Abbotabad, . . .never mind,

richatuf

Gus-

Let it all out! Looking over the transcript it doesn't seem "hopeful". And wouldn't both chambers have to be called into special session and have a quorum to pass something before the new year. I guess this is what we voted for, seeing Slim Pickens Obama riding the barrel over the cliff...

Danube of Thought

"John Kass, columnist for The Chicago Tribune, appeared on CNN on Friday where he discussed the tragic increase of violence and murder that has struck his city in recent years. He said that lawmakers and members of the press have been guilty of 'papering over' how bad the situation in Chicago was getting, and of 'ghettoizing' the minority children who become the victims of gun violence in the inner city. Kass concluded by challenging President Barack Obama to come to Chicago for the funeral of one of the 'hundreds and hundreds' of African-American and Latino children killed every year in gun crimes."

Fat chance. What's in it for him?

richatuf

daddy-

And all of in congress and federal workers. All those folks are working so hard and its a drop in the bucket.

Gus

Rich, the curse on me, is that I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND OBAMA. He is a filth.

richatuf

A 60 billion dollar package for Hurricane Sandy relief passed the Senate? Good grief.

Danube of Thought

Here come "root causes" again:

"Rev. Jesse Jackson appeared on CNN on Friday where he was pressed to defend Chicago’s strict gun control laws following the city’s 500th homicide, 87.5 percent of which are gun-related, this year. Jackson said that Chicago, unlike Newtown, has no gun culture – Newtown, Connecticut, having several gun ranges whereas Chicago has none. He also said that the pressing issues of poverty, unemployment and the lack of a sense of mobility in America’s urban centers are the root causes of gun violence.

"Jackson was asked to defend Chicago’s gun ban, given the staggering rates of gun violence in America’s cities compared to other areas that do not have such strict gun laws and experience less gun violence."

Gus

Danube, everyone knows that it's the TEA PARTY'S fault that Chicago is a hell hole.

daddy

Good News. Local Talk Radio is reporting that the Anchorage Daily News is going to start charging for access to their online stories because they're losing money.

Melinda Romanoff

Rich-

Care to guess where they got the data to build a database like that? Here's a hint.

Not withstanding any laws barring its use for political purposes, of course.

richatuf

Paul Krugman knows what the problem is and he shares it for his New York Times audience: "OK, first of all, the fiscal cliff is NOT A DEBT PROBLEM. In fact, it’s the opposite: the danger is that with expiring tax cuts, expiring unemployment benefits, and the sequester, we’ll reduce the deficit too fast."

And he knows who to blame: "The reality is that Obama has moved a huge way both in offering to exempt more high-earner income from tax hikes and in offering to cut Social Security benefits; meanwhile, the GOP not only won’t agree to any kind of tax hike at all, it also has yet to make any specific offer of any kind."

and who is wicked in all of this: "I’d put Fix the Debt in the predatory category; it’s quite clear that the organization (which is yet another Pete Peterson front, this time explicitly dominated by corporate interests) has an agenda more focused on cutting social insurance and corporate taxes than on reducing the deficit per se."

Gus

it's almost like Obama's peeps are "Community Organizers".

Gus

No gun culture in Chicago.

Jesse Jacksoff actually said that.

Clown.

Melinda Romanoff

Rich-

You don't think there might be some sort of envy over some sort of high paying asset management firm that he got shot down at, would you? Even though the firm, largely, is sympathetic to his other causes.

richatuf

Mel-

Pretty sure that the data that they could buy (and not taking into account what they could get in violation of terms of service agreements for free) would be more useful than what they could get from the Census. IIRC the administration had push back when they tried to move the Census to the WH and tried to replace the BLS director with a political crony and not a time server.

It is probable though they did, and even if we had videotaped evidence and teary-eyed confessions to same, nothing would happen. Obama ran a gun smuggling operation into Mexcio and Issa sent some strongly worded letters. Who knows what sort of illegal operation they were running in Benghazi and we still haven't heard a peep from Clinton and for timeservers in the State Department will be back to work in the new year.

MattB

"three different locations spread out over 30 miles to legally buy his four weapons"

Sweet jeez, does this guy not know gun owners? I know three friends who have done that in the past month. Hell, one has bought 10 guns at 6 different places in the past 4 months. And these guys aren't mass shooters. Just normal gun owners.

Gus

Rich, Clinton was busy stopping the KEY STONE PIPELINE from crossing the CANADIAN BORDER. It's that absurd.

Melinda Romanoff

Gus-

No gun culture at all, just a dedicated group of free lance structural aerators. Some soft tissue may be involved, but it's not their fault.

Not going to talk about the "lost" Cook County Sheriff's firearm inventory, every year. Every year. Taxpayers buying and the County "loses" stuff. Can't make this stuff up.

Melinda Romanoff

Rich-

The census data matches addresses to the data given, nobody else is supposed to get that. That "Privacy" thing. Obviously, not anymore.

Gus

But Mel, we can't be trusted with guns, because we are not trained and would have BAD AIM. The criminals seem to get the job done!

richatuf

You don't think there might be some sort of envy over some sort of high paying asset management firm that he got shot down at, would you?

What? Krugman would take to the pages of the NYT to attack someone whom he feels slighted him? I'd expect nothing less from a former Enron advisor.

Regarding "Fix the Debt", a corporate tax cut would probably help, but most of their other policy proposals are an IMF structural adjustment program and those programs have a nasty habit of not turning out as expected. I am hoping that 2013 we see the retirment of "unexpectedly" in economics news. I expect to be disappointed.

narciso

Well he wasn't merely an Enron advisor, but one taken in by a 'fake' trading desk, yes ESA's are much like the Whizzo Chocolate assortment 'a spring surprise'

richatuf

The census data matches addresses to the data given, nobody else is supposed to get that.,/i>

You can also match addresses from mailing lists. I'm not saying that it didn't happen, it's just that when they have a team made up of technology nerds from Twitter, Facebook, et al, it'd be easier to go to the grey areas of the law instead of outright breaking the law.

MIT has another write up.

richatuf

damn it.

richatuf

fixed...

Danube of Thought

What happened to Duke in the final two minutes shouldn't happen to a reptile.

jimmyk

Ramirez:

Click for full size.

Gus

Who the fug is Krugman? Which corporations has he run to success? He's a bearded loser with libtard running down his leg.

Melinda Romanoff

I'll show you bad aim, right after you teach me three Jimmy Page signature riffs, and Robin Trower's opening to "Living In The Day Of The Eagle". I hope you've got a spare mailbox (aka "target").

Gus

Mel, Henry has heard me play a little tiny bit. He and I and a pal watched QUEEN on PALADIA, and I was channeling my inner Brian May. I'm up for part of that challenge.

Melinda Romanoff

Rich-

How many pages were your Census form? Ours was 8.

Melinda Romanoff

And you cover the fines for firearm discharge within City limits, Okay?

Gus

Mel, Chicago has no gun ranges. No GUN CULTURE there, ergo no crime, no shooting, no fines. Bingo.

Melinda Romanoff

So I'm not bringing anything 12 gauge to remove your mailbox. Good to know it doesn't exist.

G'night all!

Gus

It exists, and it's legal to shoot in my neighborhood!! Hope to see you soon Mel.

richatuf

mel, don't remember, think I carried the form we got in florida and mailed it when I was in va. Do remember getting a follow on phone call when my dad was in the middle of chemo though.

Let this roll around for a bit: "The Obama 2012 campaign used data analytics and the experimental method to assemble a winning coalition vote by vote. In doing so, it overturned the long dominance of TV advertising in U.S. politics and created something new in the world: a national campaign run like a local ward election, where the interests of individual voters were known and addressed."

They ran over 1000 ads on TV Land compared to Romney running zero.


Humm we have a national government that wants to be a bunch of ward heelers. Should work out well.

Gus

Rich, They gave us FREE HEALTH CARE and have 50 MILLLLLLLLLION HUNGRY AMERICANS being fed by THE GOVERNMENT.

What kind of a TEA BAGGER are you????

narciso

No, that's not it, it felt a lot like 2008, with the endless pounding on all the alphabet networks, and all the cable ones. About 2/3 of it were lies, of one kind or another, with the media reinforcing them, maybe TV Land was a part of it, I don't doubt, Now there wasn't a whole lot of coordination in this campaign, on the other side, it took them them three days to figure out what stance to take on Robert's betrayal. The only truly original bit, was the Eastwood monologue,


Chicago, where the buttonmen of Vegas were trained has no gun culture, it's breathtaking in it's audacity,

Neo

We all knew this was coming ...

MERIDEN, Connecticut (Reuters) - A $100 million claim on behalf of a 6-year-old survivor is the first legal action to come out of the Connecticut school shooting that left 26 children and adults dead two weeks ago.

The unidentified client, referred to as Jill Doe, heard "cursing, screaming, and shooting" over the school intercom when the gunman, 20-year-old Adam Lanza, opened fire, according to the claim filed by New Haven-based attorney Irv Pinsky.

... "cursing, screaming, and shooting" ...

Sounds like a normal showing of "Django Unchained"

Gus

Narciso. I agree completely. And what is breathtaking, is the AUDCACITY of this LAWLESS administration to break laws, violate the separation of powers, and grab powers not enumerated to either the EXECUTIVE BRANCH nor the FEDERAL GOVT.

With NARY A PEEP from the GOP nor the MFM.

narciso

I imagine the cursing came from the shooter, and I still can't gauge a motive for it, that's such
a terrifying tableau to contemplate,

Gus

I guess freedom of speech has just been given a price tag of $100 million.

Gus

Narciso? The DEAD PERP, was ANGRY. That's a perfectly good reason to CURSE.

bunkerbuster

Tom's post argues against a position no one's taking: that gun registry and clip limits will prevent ALL mass murders by firearm.
Again, this is why conservatives have a reputation for being dumb and a bit crazy. Outside politics, they may well be very intelligent and totally sane. But get them going on politics and they simply refuse to engage the facts and instead crawl into their hermetically sealed opinion bubble where they schpeil out one fallacy after another clinging to their ideology as if it's the only thing keeping them alive.
For the umpteenth time: NO ONE claims gun control will eliminate harmful firearms use. The point is to REDUCE mass murder.
Got it?
The point is to REDUCE mass murder.

So if you want to carry on about how restrictions that hold down mass murders all over the world couldn't possibly work in the U.S., go right ahead. But stop beclowning yourselves with the idea that any measures that don't ELIMINATE the possibility for firearms crimes and mass murders is fatally flawed.
Got it?
The point is to REDUCE mass murders, and every single gun control advocate knows and acknowledges that some criminals and some murderers will indeed manage to beat the restrictions.
The point is to REDUCE firearms harm, as everyone knows it is not practically possible to eliminate it and still preserve gun rights.
Moreover, there is nothing whatsoever exclusive about increasing the availability and effectiveness of mental health care and imposing greater restrictions on gun ownership. So all of Tom's arguments suggesting that focus on one diminishes the other are just dumb and a bit nutty.

Dave (in MA)

Is a "large capacity magazine" anything like a high magazine clip?

Gus

I see ButtBuster has weighed in.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. I try to avoid reading the rants of LIBTARDS. And in this case I have.

jimmyk

italiacto!

Captain Hate

Communist regimes have murdered 100 million unarmed citizens. Is that enough mass murder, idiot?

Gus

Cathy? Are you suggesting the LIBTARDS get FIXED??? Is that in OBAMACARE??

bunkerbuster

Capt. Bigot: look up Venn diagram on wikipedia. Learn how to use them. If you'll do, you'll stop making analogies that make you look stupid.

bunkerbuster

Thanks Gus! We are in full agreement that you will not find what you're looking for in my comments.

Gus

Captain. I try to focus on real problems, like the 7000-8000 black on black hand guns murders each year in our nation. OH THE HUMANITY!!! But LIBTARDS don't EVER mention this PHENOMENON.

Why? Dear Lord Why??

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