Politicizing The Benghazi Intel

The Washington Beacon reports that the CIA was behind the politicization and sterilization of the Benghazi talking points. And why might they have wanted to do that? In addition to the obvious political reasons, the NY Times gives us a new one - the Obama Administration, presumably through the CIA, had given the wink to Qatar to arm Libyan rebels back during the undeclared 'kinetic action'. Some of those arms (surprise!) found their way to militant Islamists, although no one seems to know whether the specific group that attacked the Benghazi consulate was a beneficiary of US largesse.

Eggs, omelettes. Interesting to see the Times actually poking at this.

Comments

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--And why might they have wanted to do that?--

Because the CIA is a

[Zeitgeisty]

This type of report has been going around for a long time:

http://pjmedia.com/barryrubin/2012/10/17/the-murders-in-libya-the-presidential-debate-and-the-pattern-of-obama-foreign-policy/

If he was, as accounts by sources in the U.S. intelligence community suggested, negotiating with a terrorist, anti-American group to obtain the return of U.S. weapons provided during the civil war, that would have been a much higher-priority matter. I have been asked by sources not to reveal the specific weapons system that was Washington’s highest priority to buy back, but the details make sense.

[maryrose]

IGGY:
I don't think the repubs want to cover -up the real fiscal cliff. Ryan has been addressing this for 2 years now. I just think they didn't realize how stubbornly stupid Bammy was going to be about his insane mantra wrt higher rates for the top 2%. Now they know. It is like negotiating with a terrorist. They should stop it. Pass a bill continuing present rates. If Bumbler wants to veto it, let him. Go home and enjoy the holidays. Bammy purposely scheduled this fake cliff thing for after the election. Before it would have revealed the small, ugly person that he is.

[maryrose]

We need honest answers about Benghazi. A Pulitzer awaits the journalist brave enough to take this on.

[rse]

Ignatz-I hate that picture. I can't evn look at snakes in an encyclopedia without thinking it's going to pop of the page.

I have been thinking about Benghazi and Eqypt a lot the last couple of days. Between writing the posts about all the Eastern spirituality practices being pushed as part of pedagogy and treated as reflection when the same advocates elsewhere laugh at the snookering. Or the Gypsy Super announcing that he would be holding his 2nd (he started about 18 months ago) Interfaith summit in January and wanted families to make sure they told the representatives of their faiths to attend and then volunteer in the schools. (I can hear Janet hyperventilating from several states away).

So i went back and read all the way through a document about the Unity and Diversity World Council, I have been avoiding dealing with for months. Darn if they weren't quoting the Oberlin ecology prof who thinks the world doesn't need more successful people just new ethics. (Not the quote they used but I recognized him).

Anyway I have been reading Andrew Bostom's book and I have been mulling over who is the largest voting bloc in UN and all that is being pushed by UN. I long ago took up calling Transformational Outcomes Based Education--unilateral intellectual disarmament. But the Council is laying out all the other disarmament as well. And it goes on and on about Mubarek leaving and Libya and how it is all proof we are moving towards a world of peace, justice, and well-being for all.

Like CAGW, when the facts do not fit the model, the model wants to reject reality. It cannot bear to see that Islam is not just another Abrahamic religion and Kumbayah is probably not in the offing.

We are on auto-drive to using education to change consciousness and the reality that challenges the wisdom of this idea just gets ignored. And few teachers or young people know enough history or accurate political theory or logic to recognize when they are being fed fallacies or inaccuracies.

I did notice their definition of civilization fit with Facing History. A useful misunderstanding being created.

We are hurtling. And I know it's all related because the players and what else they have been involved in is just too coincidental and the dovetailing required handcarving so to speak.

What an alarming and fascinating time.

[Clarice]

Right off the bat Iowahawk said it was a Middle East Fast & Furious. But the crack newshounds at the NYT took three months to figure it out?

[maryrose]

Benghazi:
A Middle East Fast and Furious? Wow. Time to get ready for impeachment hearings.Something doesn't seem right here. I think there is much more to the story. Broadwell's father said there was.

[marlene]

I hate snakes! rse,have you read David Mamet's book about his conversion to conservatism? He mentions liberal arts education and has a unique perspective,having spent his life in writing/theatre/film and the "arts".

[BR]

Buying back arms from terrorists? Hee, why would they sell. More likely Obama providing arms to terrorists.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Marketplace Fairness Act to be added to Defense spending authorization bill. Also known as on line sales tax bill, from the esteemed #2, Durbin. Another revenue bill wrung from the Senate.

[matt]

If anything, Petraeus would not have been the one to remove the red flags from the Benghazi report. It was probably his satellite or drone feeds that was doing the real time imaging.

Now that Petraeus is gelded and gone, the president can say anything he wants without fear of contradiction. Very Machiavellian and very evil.

We know that Donilon has repeatedly violated his security clearance for political purposes. Rice reports to both Obama and Clinton, but really to Obama.

There is no way in hell the president didn't know that the finding that it was or was not terrorist activity was a major bone of contention if his top aides were fighting over it as described.

This was not some minor semantic difference, but a finding of means, purposes, and of the facts of the matter for delivery, unvarnished, to the president and then to the people of the United States.

[NK]

It may have been even more than Fast and Furious Goes Benghazi. The CIA 'safehouse' that was attacked and where the retired SEAL contractors were killed-- the CIA reinforced that site that night and tried to protect their and the Consulate people. Yet, the CIA covered up what happened. Why? It's not much of a stretch to conclude that the 'safehouse' was targeted by AQ because it was a CIA black site where the Tripoli gov't and the CIA interrogated AQ in Benghazi, and the attack that night meant to punish the CIA's support for Tripoli or even spring AQ fighters from the site. The CIA and especially Obummer didn't want the fact that the CIA was doing Tripoli's dirty work against AQ to get out. Speculation, but reasonable IMO.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Daniel Henninger talks about the real cliff; the entitlement one and Barry's rigid ideology.
Will Boehner and company listen?

[Clarice]

Pity the NYT didn't know about this until after the election.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Rivkin and Casey argue that the SCOTUS made Barrycare even more useless than it was and opened it up to a new constitutional challenge based on tax uniformity.
Will a Citizens United stake be driven through this vampire's heart?

[NK]

Clarice@1204-- nice sarcasm. Of course Obummer and the NYT are on the same team, so Obummer gave a complete brief to Pinch in September to make sure they were on the same page.

[Clarice]

I think it's now 21 states that refuse to set up insurance exchanges. Even without a successful legal challenge I do not see how this can work--Add in the waivers to all the unions etc.. too few are covered to make this scheme work.

[NK]

Clarice@1217: I hope that too was sarcasm-- because ObummerCare is MEANT to fail, and destroy the private group health insurance system so we get SinglePayer by default.

[Rob Crawford]

Time to get ready for impeachment hearings.

*snort*

Obama will be impeached shortly after I marry a supermodel.

[Clarice]

We'll see about that. He's pushed things beyond the limit. Now that people are beginning to see the consequences of his rash, ideological, autocratic moves, he'll have a much smaller hand.

even the courts are finally getting around to hammer time

[squaredance]

Oh Good Lord in Heaven, this is truly beyond belief.

We are beyond all rationality.

Just beyond belief.

[Rob Crawford]

even the courts are finally getting around to hammer time

How many court orders has this administration ignored?

The only way Obama will be impeached is if his party decides he has to go. I cannot see a situation in which modern Democrats decide he has gone too far. The entire party is just too dedicated to their "progressive" vision of a perfectible society and their irreplaceable role in bringing about the perfection.

[matt]

I spoke with my doctor about this last week. he has now changed his practice to concierge care to insulate himself.

He said that the way the system is now set up, the healthiest, younger contributors will almost certainly end up paying the government minimums.

This of course removes most of the sources of funding for patients who actually use the most care who will be left on private medical insurance until those systems inevitably end up going bankrupt.

Obamacare is a backdoor single payer program.

[Rob Crawford]

Oh Good Lord in Heaven, this is truly beyond belief.

We are beyond all rationality.

Just beyond belief.

Huh? I saw absolutely nothing objectionable in that story. Hell, if Hillary Frickin' Clinton is actually saying these things, then it's the first fricking time in my life I can say she agrees with me.

[Rob Crawford]

Obamacare is a backdoor single payer program.

You realize the left has admitted this from the beginning, right?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

That was my reaction Rob.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I was alluding to Rob's 12:34.

[Rob Crawford]

This kind of crap is inexcusable.

[BB Key]

OT, DeMInt is on Rush .

[matt]

Clinton is a moron, squaredance. These strongmen have been in power for years and now that Putin has taken the same route it is simply a shifting of alliances and opposition between dictators. duh....

She is the Captain Renault of American politics. Shocked, simply shocked that dictatoring is going on at Rick's.

[NK]

Hillary "I'm shocked, SHOCKED to learn that Putin is a Soviet" Clinton-- that's just too funny. That reset button video on YouTube is just a laugh riot.

[Peter]

Clarice, have you looked at Obama's presidential approval ratings on Rasmussen lately? -3 today.

[centralcal]

This sounds a little worrisome:

Chad Pergram ‏@ChadPergram

Reid: SenMcConnell made a serious offer dealing w/the debt ceiling... it's imp. enough that I would like to have a vote on it this afternoon

[Melinda Romanoff on Kindle]

c-cal-

That's probably the McConnell Option laid out in August. Not pretty.

[NK]

If McConnell bails on the debt ceiling-- I'm over the Repubs, and in complete defense mode on spending and asset preservation.

[Old Lurker]

IIRC, McConnell wants to make all debt increases automatic unless both houses vote against it.

Pols got away with this logic in the past by voting automatic increases in their pay unless they affirmatively vote against an increase in the future.

Fool us once, etc...

[Old Lurker]

And Iggy, yes you get the prize for posting the scariest picture ever (except for all the pictures of Hilary posted in the past).

[narciso]

0ne of the appointees to the DNI, Kojm, is a former Hamilton staffer,
9/11 commission director, iraq study group staffer, and head of INR,
so certainly one of the 'top men', I don't know why I was concerned.

[Enlightened]

Interesting - Fast/Furious Benghazi..and just yesterday WSJ hints about firings over F/F Mexico...please dear god, find a way to expose the Bambi, Holder, Jarrett, Rice cabal for what they really are. Very simply they are accessories to murder, IMO.
They need not be treated as anything other. There HAS to be one journalist out there that knows how wrong all this is.

[Jane: Mock the Media]

I like the snakes - in a picture. McConnell damn well better not give automatic debt ceiling rises? Wouldn't that bill have to start in the house to be constitutional?

[henry]

If the debt ceiling is spelled out in the constitution as a power of the House, wouldn't transferring that power require constitutional amendment?

[NK]

Henry-- debt ceiling is statutory. All the constitution says about the debt is that it is backed by FF&C of the American people.

[centralcal]

Who knows what in hell is going on - the latest:

Chad Pergram ‏@ChadPergram

From colleague John Brandt: McConnell calls for vote this am on debt limit issue then blocked his own request to do it by majority vote.

[Frau Sankt Nikolaus]

Happy St.Nicholas Day, everyone, and especially our newest citizen (not subject) Kenso. I hope he gets a little help with his letter. How about

[Jim Ryan]

Dems and GOP can find common ground, namely that they both want to stay in power. From that common ground, I'm sure a compromise agreeable to both of them can be reached, one involving can kicking, posturing, and snowing the muddle and the respective bases enough for re-election in the respective safe states. As for the purple states, the parties can just spend more money on campaigns there. Everyone's happy.

Safe states are part of the problem. A pol can sell out and still get re-elected. What are his home-state base going to do, re-elect the moonbat challenger in the general? Meanwhile, he has enough dough from the machine to eliminate good challengers in the primary.

[NK]

It is indeed Saint Nicholas day, my patron saint nameday. When I wasa kid, in view view, Christmas came twice in December, gifts on my nameday and Christmas. I was about 45 yo when I finally realized I didn't net anymore gifts, my parents and family would just split the gifts into 2 piles.

[fdcol63]

Congress isn't kicking a "can" down the road. They're kicking a snowball down a hill, and it will simply grow and pick up speed until it rolls right over us at the bottom.

[Jack is Back]

Its possible that the Benghazi F&F was also a hybrid operation with a little Counter Iran-Contra thrown in. By that I mean that those weapons they were buying back were then being shipped to supply the Syrian rebels. Then there are the MANPADS that the CIA and DoD were kerplempt about and those may have also been destined to the Syrian rebels via Turkey (as well as the other weapons). Ergo, the Turkish consul meeting with Stevens.

[Jim Ryan]

St. Nick went and saved the disobedient little girl who had disobeyed her mother's rule against wandering into the woods. The wolves were about to get her. Am I right? Sweet guy, St. Nick. Could have been a bit more hard nosed about the rules, but he cut her some slack.

[Rob Crawford]

If the debt ceiling is spelled out in the constitution as a power of the House, wouldn't transferring that power require constitutional amendment?

Constitution? What's that?

[NK]

ZeroHedge quotes Rick Santelli -- "Debt Ceiling isn't the problem, the Debt is the problem."

[The Voter]

Ha, ha! That old debt 'n' deficit! Well, the politicians turned tail again, but they'll have to face the music and fix that thing someday! Ain't no way around it! Ask anybody, the bills always come due! But all-in-all my Congress Critters are alright and I'll vote for 'em again.

[maryrose]

JIB:
I believe you are correct in your summation of Benghazi. I still want Obama and Hillary exposed and held accountable. We should settle for nothing less.

[rse]

http://mises.org/daily/6288/Obamas-World-of-Social-Justice.

This is right on the money. I would add that the definition of College and Career Ready as the goal of K-12 creates the bonds to community and to put others first.

Interesting too as something I was reading yesterday mentioned that by the 80s no one in the USSR wanted to talk about Marx. They just wanted to talk about Durkheim and Weber.

Which is even more interesting because when Soros financed the conversion of the M-L requirement at E Euro universities, it was replaced with a sociology requirement.

And I have located the definitive source of what the Gypsy Super is up to. Based in Cambridge and with John D and Model T financing. Very graphic interview I had not seen until an hour ago.

I feel some days like I am playing bingo.

[maryrose]

The House committee must put Hillary under oath before she leaves the administration. She will have tons of lawyers and will once again ask us to parse the word "is" or the meaning of the words "stand down" She will say she asked for more protection for Stevens but that Bammy said no.

[marlene]

Speaking of St.Nick... a rude and grumpy Santa at the Maine Mall in South Portland will be replaced.Bad Santa.He was mean to several kids,especially a little girl who asked for an American Girl doll. This story has been given over the top "news" coverage locally. The single,unemployed mother and the little girl gave an interview about the bad Santa,who could not be reached for comment.

[henry]

NK,I was referring to Article I Section 8 power of Congress "to borrow Money on the credit of the United States", which now that I look is the Congress, not the House alone. This suggests each tranch of debt must be approved by Congress, not a blank check (unlimited debt ceiling)transferring that approval to the President. You lawyers quibble over everything else in the universe, why not this?

[Frau Sankt Nikolaus]

Happy saint's day, NK.

For four years I raced to the computer daily to see what new mess Obama had made. Now, I really. don't. want. to. know. It gets worse and worse. I really want my identification symbol as a dissenter and recognize others who will not roll over for these thugs. It can be as simple as Janet's "Enough," or "Citizen not Subject." Our number is large. We and the Thugs just don't know it.

[rse]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/5/marines-expanding-use-of-meditation-training/?page=1

this will go well with the diversity training.

And the greening.

Making it part of general Marine infantry training?

[Jane: Mock the Media]

So did Demint quit out of disgust? Did he say? Who is likely to succeed him?

[centralcal]

Jane: Governor Haley picks his replacement. DeMint recommend Tim Scott (currently in House). There is also Trey Gowdy in the House from his state. She could appoint herself (per John Fund at NRO, her popularity has dropped to 40% as governor). Etc, etc.

[centralcal]

Jim Geraghty has the full list of contenders for DeMint's spot.

[Peter]

Remember what a big stink they made about Iran Contra (if you are old enough) yet apparently in this day and age spreading weapons around the middle east is no biggie

[Rob Crawford]

Peter, Iran-Contra involved fighting communists. The press was/is adamantly opposed to that.

[hit and run]

Jane:
So did Demint quit out of disgust? Did he say? Who is likely to succeed him?

I'm hoping Alvin Greene.

[Dave (in MA)]

U-3 is back up over 8%. Who could have foreseen this prior to -oh, I dunno- November 6th just to pull a random date out of thin air?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--The House committee must put Hillary under oath before she leaves the administration. She will have tons of lawyers and will once again ask us to parse the word "is" or the meaning of the words "stand down" She will say she asked for more protection for Stevens but that Bammy said no.

Posted by: maryrose | December 06, 2012 at 02:12 PM--

No, she'll say "I don't recall" and that will be the end of it just as it was twenty years ago.
BillyJeff's and Hill's great contribution to society will be the creation of the fourth monkey; the "remember no evil" one.

[Jane: Mock the Media]

LOL Hit. I know he is going to run The Heritage Foundation, but did he make any comment about the current state of DC?

Henry, Are you a software company guy? Can I pick your brain about something?

[Pops]

Here is a good counter to Obamas tax hike.

Republicans agree to raise the top rate stating in FY 2014 to allow businesses time to prpare for the new rate so their won't be a lot of Obama firings and to acomodate Obamacare tax increases.

In return, Republicans will agree to raise the rate on millionaires to 75% for lottery and gambling winnings since these are the idle rich who don't work. Any lottery winner pays 75% on any winnings over 1 million dollars.

[Pops]

Think Harry Reid wants his Vegas millionaires to pay 75% rate? Big rollers would head over seas.

[henry]

Jane, yes to both questions. I think you have my email, if not Mel has both the email and phone numbers.

[Jane: Mock the Media]

I don't have your email Henry - or I will never find it. Maybe Mel will email it to me.

[henry]

Jane, if the one from YouToo is still active, I can send the info to you.

[Jane: Mock the Media]

Or you can email me at fwdaj@live.com - if you have a chance.

[Captain Hate]

Peter, Iran-Contra involved fighting communists. The press was/is adamantly opposed to that.

I don't think I've ever laughed as hard at the MFM dumbasses and their butt buddies in the State Dept and congress when they all got *shocked* when Violeta Chamorro pounded that Sandinista pansy Daniel Ortega. None of the so-called experts had a clue that it would even happen, much less be as much as a margin as it was.

[Melinda Romanoff]

henry-

Sent.

[henry]

Jane, sent.

[OldTimer]

Karl Rove skewers the current Democrat lie du jour, that 'most' Americans want to tax the rich...

http://rove.com/polling_notes/0000/0232/Polling_News_and_Notes_12_06_12_2.pdf

[NJ Jan]

Christie vetoes bill to start health exchanges in NJ.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/christie-vetoes-bill-to-establish-obamacare-exchange

[OldTimer]

Christie's come to his senses? Must not have received a return on his pre-election deposit.

[Clarice]

Thanks. I did not notice the O's approval ratings were in negative territory again..when those get higher, maybe impeachment proceedings will begin.

[Jane: Mock the Media]

Henry, sent back.

[Dave (in MA)]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/dec/6/obama-official-inauguration-will-be-private/

That way the public can't see him placing his hand on the family's copy of Das Kapital.

[NJ Jan]

This could get interesting. Judge Gerbef is set to rule on whether the GM bailout was incorrect. He was the original judge who approved the procedure and apparently is pissed that all was not disclosed at that time. He could, conceivably, overturn his original approval.
http://freebeacon.com/bailout-on-the-brink/

[NJ Jan]

That's Judge GerbeR

[Frau 'Raus mit ihm]

"maybe impeachment proceedings will begin."

Clarice - It should be for destroying Kenso's future.

[Frau 'Raus mit ihm]

Dave(in MA) at 3:42 - I heard it will be Onkel Soros's copy with margin notes.

[Rob Crawford]

I heard it will be Onkel Soros's copy with margin notes.

Which do you think is closer to Soros's heart -- Das Kapital, Mein Kampf, the Little Red Book, or the Collected Works of the Marquis de Sade?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Which do you think is closer to Soros's heart...--

Um, I see a problem here...

[henry]

Jane, answer sent. That hit a nerve, and I would be happy to clarify my off the cuff response tomorrow. : )

[Jack is Back]

Regarding Jim DeMint's soon to be vacated Senate seat, ya'll do know that Stephen Colbert is a natural born South Carolnian, right? What is the possibility that if not appointed by Nikki Haley, he might run for seat when it comes up in 2014?

The New York Post is on it.

[Jack is Back]

Rob,

You forgot "The Devil's Dictionary".

[Jane - Mock the Media!]

Music to my ears Henry, and I will have more tomorrow as well. Thank you.

[Enlightened]

Honestly with Colbert and Judd thinking of running for office - this is looking more and more like the F.A.G.S. in Team America...it must be a joke right?

[Dave (in MA)]

Which do you think is closer to Soros's heart -- Das Kapital, Mein Kampf, the Little Red Book, or the Collected Works of the Marquis de Sade?

this book.

[Jack is Back]

Obviously, this blog and its denizens are too f**king cerebral or something.

Not even in the top 60 of conservative blogs?

The good news is - we have an island and they don't:)

BTW, where is this island?

[Spending cuts first!--jimmyk]

when those get higher, maybe impeachment proceedings will begin.

Best to wait till 2015 when there's an R majority in the Senate. (He says, hopefully.)

[Enlightened]

Hmmm. Althouse is a Conservative blog?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I'll be voted sexiest man alive before Barry is impeached.

[matt]

Jane will tell us at the appropriate time, JiB....It's safer that way.