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Clarice

speaking of news bias, the WaPo's Juliet Ailprin is still flogging the AGW theme song.http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/2012-hottest-year-on-record-in-continental-us-noaa-says/2013/01/08/5c9dc1ae-55d9-11e2-8b9e-dd8773594efc_story.html

And the Post is still not mentioning her conflict of interest--her husband's a bit player in the AGw game.

MarkO

Just to be clear, I intend to continue to take my pills.

cathyf

The whole anti-psychotics-cause-psychosis argument is a lot like the anti-vax logic. There are gazillions of nutcases out there who are NOT doing terrible things because of TAKING the drugs. It is people going OFF the drugs that cause the vast majority of problems.

Andrea Yates was on Haldol, and then, for reasons that have never been explained, her doctors took her off of it. Within a few weeks, she drowned all 5 of her children. If the drug manufacturers are going to be responsible for the rare bad things that happen when someone takes their drugs, who is going to be held responsible for the bad things that happen when people don't take the drugs?

Oh, and the coming chaos and destruction in the health care system isn't going to HELP the process of getting crazy people to get on the drugs and STAY on the drugs that are preventing them from doing terrible things.

Thomas Collins
"This Is Crazy"

I vote for THIS IS EVIL.

jimmyk

Juliet Ailprin is still flogging the AGW theme song

According to this, the NOAA might be keeping two sets of books on temperatures.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/pj-gladnick/2013/01/08/was-hottest-year-record-based-phony-data

NK

CathyF- your points are as imporatnt as TomM's post. I assume that the pyschotropic meds have on balance greatly reduced violent acts by those suffering from psychiatric conditions. That said-- I also have no doubt that a much smaller number of people have suffered from violent impulses from side effects or improper dosage of meds-- TomM's link highlights some of those spectacular med failures. But what are the stats? I suspect, those stats have never been developed because it would be inconvenient to know them-- drugs would no longer be manufactured b/c of liability or just bad publicity, and the medical/law enforcement world as well as the pharma manufacturers don't want that result-- so they avoid quantifying the results of medicating people. This is no simple question. Sooooo.... BAN GUNZ!

Extraneus

I read yesterday that police somewhere justified confiscating a citizen's video camera, and I believe arresting him, by citing a patient privacy clause in the Obamacare law. Apparently the person they were arresting while being videotaped was some sort of mental patient.

Is there a similar reason why we don't know what drugs these mass killers were taking or not taking?

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Is it just possible that the presence of psychoactive drugs in proximity to insane mass killers is correlated in the same way that Cheetos are to pot smokers?

centralcal

Speaking of CRAZY, you will all get a kick out of the link in the following Tweet (It is Jack Lew's official signature and I can't wait to see it on my money - if I have any!)

Ryan Lizza ‏@RyanLizza

Good time to remind people that this is Jack Lew's signature: http://twitter.yfrog.com/nuuryjrj

NK

Lew's signature-- THAT is very troubling.

Porchlight

LOL

rse

OT-but my Gypsy Principal has resigned less than one year after starting to go work on a new project with Gates, Carnegie, and Joyce Foundation funding. Hard to make up the scheming hurry going on out there to get this fundamental Transformation in place.

Grab the guns and gut the minds could be the operative motto for the 2nd term.

Porchlight

Last curlicue cut off. But it ends the same way it begins. Hahahaha.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Seems fitting if we end up with that scribble on our funny money.

Porchlight

Suggests a mind content to insert large and imprecise numbers of zeros where they don't belong.

Troubling.

matt

One of the issues with the mentally ill that is being found more and more is mixed diagnoses. Often it's not just one syndrome, but two or even more. Bipolar - schizophrenic is probably the most common, and seems to be more common among males in the 17-27 age range.

Then comes the tailoring of a pharmaceutical solution. Psychiatrists, who are basically pill dispensers these days, mix and match medications to control many of the symptoms associated with individual patients. Every patient is different.

In addition, the patients reaction to particular combinations change, so prescriptions must be changed as well. It is a constant process.

Banning guns and high capacity clip magazines is easy compared to the real solution.

GMax

Well at least we are no longer talking about Tim Geithner in a clown suit, now that is some real crazy train...

James D.

Porch, I don't think anyone will.

We're fundamentally screwed as a society. I hate thinking this way, but I honestly don't see any reason for hope.

We've got a populace that's (in general) ignorant of history, innumerate, and all-too-easily led by vapid emotional appeals from the MSM, the entertainment industry and grandstanding politicans. They don't understand the basic ideas that underlie our freedoms, our standing in the world, and our prosperity - or, worse, they've been taught to disbelieve in or even despise those ideas.

They've been made this way thanks to two full generations of rot in our educational system, from grade school through to the universities, and an incredible coarsening and debasing of our culture, in pretty much every aspect, over the same period.

There aren't enough of us who know differently to effectively fight back, and the rot is too deep and too pervasive to be stopped, I think.

I'd like to believe what I wrote isn't true, but five minutes of watching or reading pretty much any news makes it clear that, if anything, I'm understating the problem.

Jack is Back

Forget Rube Goldberg. That maze of indiocy was more Jean Tinguely who gave the world and Columbus, Indiana "Chaos" more befitting of any harmless contraption by Rube.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Looks like Robbie the Robot with a quad fifty.

Porchlight

Pretty much, James D. Like you I'd love to believe it's not true.

Danube of Thought

And who will stop him?

Depends on what the order says whether it is intended to enforce a congressional enactment.

If he acts without a specific congressional authorization to do so, I don't believe the president has to power to declare certain conduct to be criminal. And I don't think most federal judges would hesitate to vacate any conviction for violation of such an order.

Extraneus

Looks a lot like my signature. What's his middle name?

Porchlight

Thanks DoT. Lately I'm finding it hard to imagine a situation in which Obama doesn't get to do pretty much exactly what he wants, but that is encouraging.

marlene

The Bangor Daily News is reporting that Richard Blanco of Bethel,Maine will be Obama's Inaugural Poet. Blanco is the first immigrant,the first Latino and the first gay to be named as Inaugural Poet. Just FYI,I'm sure we'll all be watching on Inauguration Day. Ha,Ha.

hit and run

HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARLENE!!!

matt

Tinguely's art is "interesting". Droopy roboty landscapes that sort of ooze. Not to my taste.

At least Dali had incredible technical skill to go with his zany and dada sensibilities.

Anybody see today's front page of the WSJ? Now the Swiss central bank is all in on devaluing their currency.The article points out the massive exposure of the central banks to potentially non-performing loans as well as significant losses.

What we are seeing is the scenario proposed in the book "Currency Wars" breaking out like wildfire. $1 trillion coins and such policies are fiscal madness.

Danube of Thought

Henry Kissinger's signature:

hit and run

Ext:
Looks a lot like my signature.

Mine too.

Cursive o's and f's and b's and e's and j's for example (in random order) tend to portend a pen making many loops in the signing of one's name. I gave up long ago doing anything but fully embracing the loop. My loops are usually less rounded and uniform than Lew's. So I got that going for me.

Dave (in MA)

Re: Jack Lew's signature... looks like what happened when I hit a patch of black ice once in my Datsun.

NK

My signature looks much like Kissinger's.

Dave(Ma)/Matt-- did one of you own the french car, and post hysterical comments about driving it in Continental Europe?

Dave (in MA)

My first car was a 4 year old used Peugeot, and within 2 years I had to have the engine rebuilt and there were rusted out sections in the rocker panels large enough to put your hand into, but I was driving it in continental US.

NK

Thanks dave-- it was definitely UK and continental europe driving stories told on a saturday night in the comments. Just can't remember who.

Threadkiller

"Maher, probably jokingly, offered to donate $5 million to the charity of Trump’s choice if he would release his own birth certificate to prove The Donald was not the “spawn of his mother having sex with orangutan…”

But the “Celebrity Apprentice” star set out to have the last laugh. In a letter, obtained by Yahoo, Trump’s lawyer responds to Maher’s offer with a copy of Trump’s certificate and instructions for money promised.

“Attached hereto is a copy of Mr. Trump's birth certificate, demonstrating that he is the son of Fred Trump, not an orangutan. Please remit the $5 million to Mr. Trump immediately and he will ensure that the money be donated to the following five charities in equal amounts: Hurricane Sandy Victims, The Police Athletic League, The American Cancer Society, The March of Dimes, and The Dana-Farber Cancer Institute.”

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/01/09/donald-trump-sends-bill-maher-birth-certificate-awaits-5-million/

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!


Melinda Romanoff

I did not clean off any Citroen mirrors while driving in Ireland.

NK

Dave(Ma)--- Subtle. But in the prior thread I commented that Ben Franlin warned about this 225 years ago or so, when he told the woman in Phila during the Constitutional Convention: "A republic ---if you can keep it."

Melinda Romanoff

TK-

I believe that's the other lawyer lesson for the day.

Don't eff with someone who can hire and fire more of them than you.

rse

Given what I tend to read most days which is rather graphic, the allusions fit far better than people know.

As I just told Red on a different matter, it's really tragic when people assume you are being hyperbolic and you are not.

fdcol63

James D. @ 12:28 PM

Exactly.

Porchlight

Happy birthday, marlene!

Threadkiller

Happy Birthday Marlene!

henry

Happy Birthday Marlene!

Thomas Collins

My elementary school teachers, who took penmanship seriously, would have set Lew and Kissinger straight.

Happy Birthday, marlene!

Threadkiller

How is it we are having the "worst" flu season ever when flu vaccinations have been given at an all time high?

pagar

Happy Birthday,Marlene, and may you enjoy many more!

NK

Happy Birthday Marlene.

Captain Hate

HB Marlene.

I read that there was nobody elected to the baseball HOF. I respect that they do something like that instead of being like the Goodell Football League where they always induct a group of players. Clearly some players are more deserving than others and it's not a Hall of Very Good. Nor is it a Hall of Stats.

Janet

Happy Birthday, Marlene!! Lots of love to you!

James D. @ 12:28 PM

Exactly.

I agree.

Frau Posaune

Happy birthday, Marlene. May you have a grand day, just to your liking.

You share a birthday with my husband (who is always busy keeping me out of the slammer).

Captain Hate

How is it we are having the "worst" flu season ever when flu vaccinations have been given at an all time high?

There are still a lot of people who don't get vaccinated and, even if you are, that's still not a guarantee you won't get whatever the virus mutates into.

Frau Grippe

Ramirez did not capture Kerry's essence as a conehead.

TK - as I heard, the present strain was not included in the shot. It's part of the WH "Hire the incompetent" program.

Jane:  Mock the Media

Happy Birthday Marlene - you almost share the day with someone else here.

I'm sure Hit is on it!

My signature looks more like Kissenger's than Lews - altho sometimes you can almost make out the "J".

Frau Aktion

Citizen or Subject?
If Pres. Executive Order tries any type of gun funny business, couldn't we close down D.C. with a friendly invasion?

Captain Hate

Tammy Bruce: I've been on Fox with Penn Jillette and he's an ass; a very strange and insecure man.

Threadkiller

My understanding, from a guest on Cavuto, is the shot is a wild guess based off of the prior flu season in South America. The CDC says our flu generaly spreads from the border states.

Hmmm. What is common here?

Sue

Happy birthday Marlene.

Just heard from my doctor about the pathology report. The 2 lymph nodes were clear of cancer. The mass was entirely DCIS. Non invasive so I am now cancer free. Thanks everyone for prayers and well wishes. All that is left is healing and deciding how big my new ta ta's will be. ::grin::

Dave (in MA)

Yea Sue!
HB Marlene

Barbara
And who will stop him?

Obama's ready made tyranny: 1) use Executive Orders to implement his "fundamental" change of America; 2) use the 14th Amendment to get around the debt ceiling.

...and who will stop him?

Melinda Romanoff

Excellent news, Sue! And you brought a gift to marlene's party to boot!

Happy Birthday, marlene!

Barbara

That is absolutely wonderful news, Sue! I am so happy for you! :)

Captain Hate

Great news, Sue. Congrats. Not having to go through radiation or chemo is huge.

Threadkiller

Congrats Sue!!

Thomas Collins

Thanks for the update, Sue. It's great to hear the news.

NK

Congrats Sue. Godspeed.

Dublindave

Within ten years we'll have every single gun in America banned.

Then we can begin PHASE 2.

rse

TK-the flu vaccine is really not designed so much to prevent the flu as to prevent death from the flu. In most years it is only about 60% effective in preventing the flu at all but is supposedly quite effective in preventing death.

And I did not know that but one of my guests New Years Day runs the national flu project at a major med school and her hubby is also an epidemiologist. It became a topic of conversation over Black Eyed Peas and Greens.

NK

DD-- is it true Jack Lew will designate you to hold one of the Trillion Dollar coins;

PS: how apt that you comment on a CRAZY thread.

Extraneus

Great, Sue!

rse

Such good news Sue!!

HB Marlene!!

matt

The happiest of days to you, Marlene!

And Sue; great news! Get healthy! Have fun! Every day is a skate from now on.

marlene

Wonderful Sue!
Thank you all for the birthday wishes!

Extraneus
A Cameroon appeals court has overturned the conviction of two men who were sentenced to five years in prison for "looking gay" and ordering Bailey's Irish Cream.
Captain Hate

marlene, we've got a huge thaw in NE Ahia today with it being nearly 50 degrees. I can see lots of lawn.

Tom Maguire
The whole anti-psychotics-cause-psychosis argument is a lot like the anti-vax logic. There are gazillions of nutcases out there who are NOT doing terrible things because of TAKING the drugs. It is people going OFF the drugs that cause the vast majority of problems.

My GUESS is that psychtropic drugs have two effects (for purposes of this discussion).

One is harm reduction - in a hypothetical pool of 1000 troubled people, maybe ten would become homicidal if left untreated.

After treatment, only ("Only"!) five become homicidal. AT one level, that is a win for the good guys.

BUT! The second effect is harm-shifting. It is entirely likely that the five who go off as a result of treatment are different from the ten who would have gone off untreated. (or at least, that the group of five includes some people not in the original group of ten.)

So what are the ethics of that? As a society we would prefer only five killer to ten. But some of the five are, one might plausibly argue, victims of the drug regimen they adopted.

An obvious objection is that we have no real way of knowing who the ten might have been, so the issue becomes a matter of dueling hypotheticals.

That said, some people get protection from their gun ownership and other people get killed. Banning guns (even an effective gun ban) would shift the roster of victims - is that really fair to a responsible gun owner who, disarmed, is beaten to death by her large, abusive ex?

Captain Hate

Courtland Milloy besharts himself worse than Al Roker again: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/whats-in-a-name-the-redskins-bad-karma/2013/01/08/a6ab8bb4-59da-11e2-88d0-c4cf65c3ad15_story.html

The comments are hilarious.

OldTimer

Sue, you are an inspiration and a great example of grace under fire. I'm so pleased to hear of your final prognosis.

And Marlene, HB, and thanks for all your dispatches from Maine. (I once had a summer cottage on Islesboro - paradise :)

Porchlight

Sue, congratulations on your good news! That is wonderful and I'm sure you and your family are all so thrilled. Thanks for brightening everyone's day.

Porchlight

How is it we are having the "worst" flu season ever when flu vaccinations have been given at an all time high?

I'm not an anti-vaccine person at all, in general. But I have always thought flu vaccinations were bunk. Have never gotten one and haven't had the flu in 20 years.

Jack is Back

First, its terrific news Sue. Go for the big uns:)

Second, a very happy birtheday to Marlene of Maine. So goes Marlene, So Goes Maine (or something like that).

The HOF sports writers just sent a message to baseball. Cut it out. (Because its still going on). Now how about Pete Rose? No doping just pure hustle and the hits record. [This should probably be a separate thread:]

Porchlight

My understanding, from a guest on Cavuto, is the shot is a wild guess based off of the prior flu season in South America.

Talk about fighting the last war. What is the point of vaccinating against last year's flu? More reason why I think the flu vaccine is just another job security box check for CDC.

NJJan

Happy Birthday Marlene!

Sue, what wonderful news!

Danube of Thought iPad

Really, really happy for you, Sue.

Have a wonderful birthday, Marlene.

old lurker (but not Old Lurker)

cathyf et al. -- you're usually smarter than that. SSRIs do not stabilize mood; they are anti-depressants, not mood stabilizers like lithium or depakote. In vulnerable patients, especially patients with bipolar tendencies, SSRIs can trigger a mixed state or black mania, which is a demonic combination of the blackest depression and the most agitating mania. Just horrible. Please see LUN.

fdcol63

Sue, excellent news! So relieved to hear it.

Danube of Thought iPad

William Bigelow:

"Now, now. Calm down. Yes, I know you voted for Obama, but didn’t you ever stop to think that he’d tax you, too? You didn’t?

"Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

"Disillusioned Obama voters are waking up to face the reality that Obama didn’t exempt them in his quest to steal money from all Americans to pay for his expanding government. It turns out that those making $30,000 a year will pay more taxes than those making $500,000 because of the deal Obama pushed for after the fiscal cliff debacle.

"Obama voters, the joke’s on you."

old lurker (but not Old Lurker)

LUN is a longer review article by Breggin: "Suicidality, violence and mania caused by
selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors
(SSRIs): A review and analysis."

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--All that is left is healing and deciding how big my new ta ta's will be. ::grin::

Posted by: Sue | January 09, 2013 at 02:28 PM--

The only thing preventing me posting some pictorial suggestions is cc at work. :)

Glad you won't have to do radiation Sue; worse than chemo IMO.

Jane - Mock the Media!

I am now cancer free.

YIPPEEEEEEE!!!!

And now I have a question which, if utterly inappropriate, please ignore.

How long between when you were diagnosed to when you found out you are cancer free?

James D.

JiB - No Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame, ever. Let him stand outside, face pressed against the window, for the rest of his life.

He had numerous hances to admit to what everyone knew he did, and what reams of evidence showed beyond any conceivable doubt that he did, and still he refused, over and over and over.

If you want forgiveness, you have to at a minimum act like you're sorry and that you understand what it is you want forgiveness FOR, and why it was wrong for you to do it. Rose couldn't be bothered.

Besides, everyone in baseball, from the batboys up to the owners know that gambling is the one real "death penalty" offense in the sport. It's no secret.

old lurker (but not Old Lurker)

One more LUN, if you can forgive me: Marcia Angell's series of review in The New York Review of Books. I know, consider the source, but Angell was editor of the New England Journal of Medicine.

cathyf
It is entirely likely that the five who go off as a result of treatment are different from the ten who would have gone off untreated.
Which is why I brought up the anti-vax argument. It is entirely likely that the 5 kids who go into anaphylaptic shock from the allergy to the binder in the DPT vaccine are completely different from the 2000 kids who would die from whooping cough if they didn't get the vaccine.
centralcal

Just popping in during my lunch break...

Happiest of birthday wishes to Marlene.

And, Sue - you GO girl! I know you are feeling mighty miserable during this recovery phase, but what fantastic news that it will ALL soon be over.

NK

TomM@2:58: you have BIG brain.

anonamom

Cathy, lurker is right here--this is not like anti vax stuff.

Depressed people are not likely to harm others at all.

These SSRIs--which I swear every other patient I care for is on, prescribed by family practioners, OB/gyns, anybody--have actually been shown in good studies to CAUSE homocidal ideation.
In my community we have a father---upstanding citizen--who is now in prison for murdering his twin five year old daughters, and the poor 14 year old who offed his grandparents in the first article Lurker linked has a life sentence. That was after the death penalty sentence he originally faced was overturned by the state Supreme Court.
Both had recently been started on SSRIs for depression.

Clarice

That is not an earthquake! It's me doing a happy dance for sue and Marlene.

James D.

My issue with meds isn't so much with the twenty-somethings like Holmes, Loughner et al.

My problem is when we medicate kids (and boys far more than girls, from what I read) in grade school, with all the various ADD and ADHD drugs, as well as other psychotropics.

We're drugging little children with powerful meds whose long-term effects are poorly understood (if even that), to "cure" behaviors that are usually nothing more than kids being kids.

You do that for a few years, and you end up with messed-up teenagers and young adults, who then graduate to different and stronger meds and, not at all coincidentally, some of them go off the rails and we get an Aurora or Newtown-type incident.

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