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Rob Crawford
I believe, and many of the parents there believe, that if Lanza had to switch cartridges nine times versus two times there would likely still be little boys and girls alive in Newtown today.

Except he had, what, 12 minutes to switch magazines as many times as he wanted. With that much time he could have reloaded some of the magazines, not just switch them.

They're so desperate to avoid the reality -- that the object isn't the actor -- that they'll ignore the most basic facts.

rse

I hate to go there but there were multiple shots in each victim so where does the "would still be alive" come from?

And intuitively I knew the disarming was related to the rest of the planned Transformation without our consent but as I mentioned yesterday the need to disarm the "capitalist class" turns out to be an intrinsic part of the recipe.

About as factual as the mental health first-aid for what was being pushed intrusively anyway.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

--Among them is the nagging question of what prompted the gunman, Adam Lanza, to put down his rifle after killing 20 children and pick up the pistol he used to end his own life.--

What could it be, what could it be?
May I suggest the right honorable Mr. Murphy get a Glock and an AR 15 and touch off a few rounds in his temple and get back to us on which was the most efficacious and easiest to use.

If he's stupid enough to ask the question surely he's stupid enough to field test it.

squaredance

Again, arguing pragmatics with these people misses the point. They will always win on pragmatics.

Captain Hate

I believe, and many of the parents there believe, that if Lanza had to switch cartridges nine times versus two times there would likely still be little boys and girls alive in Newtown today.

There are little boys and girls alive in Newtown today.

Ann

What do democrats really think of women?....

@ExJon: The good news, ladies, is that you're cleared for combat. The bad news? You'll only be issued whistles.

http://www.uccs.edu/pusafety/what-to-do-if-you-are-attacked-.html

UCCS: Dept of Public Safety

What To Do If You Are Attacked

These tips are designed to help you protect yourself on campus, in town, at your home, or while you travel. These are preventative tips and are designed to instruct you in crime prevention tactics.

1. Be realistic about your ability to protect yourself.
2. Your instinct may be to scream, go ahead! It may startle your attacker and give you an opportunity to run away.
3. Kick off your shoes if you have time and can't run in them.
4. Don't take time to look back; just get away.
5. If your life is in danger, passive resistance may be your best defense.
6. Tell your attacker that you have a disease or are menstruating.
7. Vomiting or urinating may also convince the attacker to leave you alone.
8. Yelling, hitting or biting may give you a chance to escape, do it!
9. Understand that some actions on your part might lead to more harm.
10.Remember, every emergency situation is different.

Only you can decide which action is most appropriate.


AliceH

What's to stop pro-gun-rights Sheriff's from just deputizing every adult in their jurisdiction, thereby making them all "law enforcement personnel" who are consistently exempted from these new "safety" measures?

Actually - they can be immediately "retired" as deputies and still be exempted, right? Hmmm.

Rob Crawford
Again, arguing pragmatics with these people misses the point. They will always win on pragmatics.

Feel free to surrender.

AliceH

More advice for women from a democrat:

http://coalitionoftheswilling.net/?p=22402

“It’s why we have call boxes, it’s why we have safe zones, it’s why we have the whistles. Because you just don’t know who you’re gonna be shooting at,” Salazar remarked in debate late Friday night.

*headdesk*

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

11. Lay back and think of Barry.

Ann

AliceH:

They don't even have to promise an abortion or the day after pill? They got that covered and we are paying for it.

jimmyk

12. Remember that your attacker likely has been a victim of injustice, so accommodation and understanding, and even support, is warranted.

AliceH

One of bloggers at AoS picked up on the same statement I linked above, and added this soothing commentary:

You see, ladies? If you just could keep in the Designated Zones, and not spend too much time in the Authorized Rape Zone, everything would just be jake.

narciso

Ah, the Bo of the Duke, I mean Salazar Bros, and what is this Doctor Who, now?

centralcal

Ann is very timely with her quotes of Salazar. Trending on Twitter right now (and for the past few hours) is: #LiberalTips2AvoidRape

Rob Crawford

Democrat response to attempted rape: *fweet* *fweet* *barf*

Republican response to attempted rape: *BLAM* *BLAM* ... *BLAM* ... *BLAM*

Which has a chance of actually stopping a rapist?

centralcal

My favorite tweet of the day re:Liberal rape tips was this one:

Jon Gabriel ‏@ExJon

The good news, ladies, is that you're cleared for combat. The bad news? You'll only be issued whistles.

centralcal

Of course, he left out other defensive mechanisms - projectile vomiting, for one.

Ann

Hi, CC ♥

Whats with Reggie Love on the trip?

GUS

Rob, I actually agree with Squaredance. It's like arguing with a deaf mute. Libtards have ZERO INTENTION of having an open honest debate. I go ALYNSKI on them.
Ridicule and abuse.

Rob Crawford

My response wasn't intended for the idiots at the NYT or the gun-grabbers. It was for the people who might think their arguments persuasive, absent any honest assessment of the facts.

Maybe those people are lost, too.

In which case the USA is over and we may as well admit it.

narciso

'Winning the Future' that's like the advice for DHS officials, when confronted by gunmen, grab a spork,

GUS

Reggie Love was there?? How fun!!!

sbw

FIFY: Whats with Reggie Love on the trip? NTTAWWT.

jorod

The gangsters in Chicago have no trouble switching magazines....

GUS

I'm confused. Sandy Hook was a gun free zone??

narciso

So, if I read this right, he wants to reduce access to public records, and make insanity defense, more doable, while making legal self defense almost impossible, they call that a trifecta?

GUS

Narciso. Salazar?? That name seems familiar. Colorado....Salazar???

narciso

It doesn't seem he is of the same family, but he is of the same mindset, that would name the Caribbean Ocean,

GUS

By same family, do you mean LIBTARDOCRATS???

Hahahahahahahahahahaa!

Chubby

drudge:

((POLITICO: WHITE HOUSE REPORTERS REBEL... GO ON RECORD TO CALL ACCESS 'DISGRACE'... DEVELOPING... ))


awwww, they're having a hissy fit

narciso

'Que Diferencia Hace' (what difference does it make?) I mean would they ask why gas is $4.00/gallon, why the LAPD is being picketed,
Or would they just more TMZ style puff pieces.

Ann

Dem's respect for women's right to self-defense is a joke, along with the fact that they think those same felons should vote.

I just thought of a question. Can military men shoot guys trying to rape them on a military base, or a war zone? Or are they just suppose to use the UCCS: Dept of Public Safety list?

Anyone?

squaredance

Crawford, it has nothing to do with surrendering. What a thing to say. How dense can you be?

Obviously, the point is to argue rights and to speak to their real agenda. One has to use the political pulpit speak beyond them to the electorate at large, just as they do. Does it really have to be spelled out for you? Evidently.

Pragmatics gives them the argument. With that tack it just becomes a matter of how to restrict gun usage--how many rounds should be in a magazine for "the common good", what is the proper "requirement" to have a gun, and etc. Rights become irrelevant; the sophistry and the casuistry, not to mention the MFM propaganda, is then almost impossible to overcome. The state now firmly places itself between the citizen and his Constitutional rights and now qualifies and dispenses them at its whim.

Constitutional rights are not about pragmatics and are not utilitarian in origin or derivation: They are axiomatic, as it were. That is why the Left try to force it into this line of "discussion" in the first place. They wish to avoid the whole issue of Constitutional rights. It is purely a rhetorical dodge on their part--they have no interest in rational and honorable debate or decision making. If it were otherwise, they would not have to wait for some "incident" to march this nonsense through. If it were otherwise, they would not be able to get a way with idiotic positions on rape in this context, as did a Dem Colorado State Senator did today (andremember what happened to Akins when he gave his "opinions" on the natter). Do you really think that they do not understand that the criminal or the insane will not be stopped by restrictive laws? One cannot win this way. No, this tactic just hands them our own defeat. With this we have moved beyond the rights of the law abiding, and it is makes it that much harder hard to repeal.

Typical JOMer: self-righteous obtuseness about the real matters at hand , and obnoxious didacticism about what is both glaringly obvious and trivial. Always missing the point.

Here is a clue: they are winning on this issue. They are going to push through national registration with the GOP's help. Gradually, they will destroy what is left of the 2nd amendment, and then all the rest will go down.

You are not really that stupid, try thinking a little, and while you are at it do not put words in my mouth,

Me surrender? You know nothing about me. I have a couple of metal pins in me and a metal joint from my service to this nation. I imagine that you were about 10 years old, if that, when i got them. I cannot believe that you have suffered so much as a bruise for the freedoms of this nation. In fact, I rather doubt you have even so much as ever even changed a clip in a handgun. You ought to be ashamed of such nonsense, but, evidently, you are are not up to that either.

Yet more proof that many (most?) JOMers are only slightly more attached to the real world than the Democrats. What is it about you people that will not permit you to look squarely at what is really happening in this country? Why are you so consistently wrong? Why do you demean those who try to get through to you? Why cannot you look beyond the end of your noses?

You will surrender long before I will--at the first blow of the kudgle, I'd wager. I rather doubt that you have put yourself in harms way for anything at all--not once. You, like so many here, have already surrendered; you just do not know it yet. You have not the faintest idea what is coming. I do. I have survived it more than once before.

GUS

Chubby!!! I'm sure the MFM'ers are pissed off that no pictures of Reggie Love and Obama have surfaced!!!

Chubby

Obama should show his toadie press more respect!

Belle

Chubby, just for the record: One does not "have" a hissy fit, one "throws" a hissy fit.

Danube of Thought iPad

"switch cartridges?"

Good God, if they want to discuss this stuff without being subject to ridicule, they could at least start by mastering a one-hour course in the basic terminology of firearms. Who the hell ever switches cartridges? They don't know, because they literally--yes, literally--do not know what they are talking about.

GUS

Chubby, The PRESS will forgive Opie and Reggie and Tiger.

Danube of Thought iPad

"'We do know that historically in these instances, amateurs have trouble switching magazines,' Mr. Murphy said."

Really? How does he know that? I am quite certain that an amateur like Mr. Murphy could master the art of switching magazines far more readily than he has mastered the difference between a magazine and a cartridge.

GUS

Danube, I don't think that Murphy knows the difference between a MAGAZINE vs an ISSUE of The Tribune. Same thing.
Preconcieved LIBTARD IDEOLOGY.
Guns bad. Libtards good.
Smirk.

narciso

Murphy know things, apparently economics is not one of them;

In 2001, he was a co-sponsor of a bill to eliminate child poverty.[10] He also proposed legislation that would give free tuition to students of the state's community-technical colleges.[11] He proposed legislation that would ban smoking in state colleges and universities.[12] He co-sponsored a bill that would create an earned income tax credit.[13]

narciso

He believes in removing incentives from the tax codes, that let jobs go over seas, he wants more infrastructure spending, (what happened to the stimulus, and he's big on renewable energy, sounds familiar.

Threadkiller

Anyone heard of Triple Cross?

http://illinoispaytoplay.com/

Kat

Well, if ladies dress modestly (head to toe covering would be helpful, let me see,a burka would do great!) and venture outside only with male relative there would be no rape at all. See how easy it is?

xbradtc

Is it ironic that the more the liberals attempt to seize guns, the more I wish to smite them hip and thigh?

Preferably with the jawbone of an ass?

Dublindave

Heh heh, who cares about some study saying one thing when it's really the opposite.... Who fuckin caaaaaaaaresses....... the bottom line is this; Sandy hook (or whatever it's called) created a disgust in the American psyche for all things 'gun' heh heh heh .... every other tragedy that follows ( and there'll be quite a few) will have a pile on effect essentially eroding gun owners' rights down to the nub and THAT is a good thing for us libs.

We'll use wedge issues like guns and immigration in 2014 to reclaim the house
and then we'll crush you!

Dublindave

Hey did you know that guy Marco Rubio even though he's a spic isn't for the dream act....what kinda of a spic isn't for his own kind gettin citizenship....BOOOOMMMM!!!!!!We just made holding onto the White house alot easier!!!!!

Manuel Transmission

Squaredance,

I'm not interested in getting into a JOM food fight, but I think you are way off the mark on what some or all of us might be willing to roll over on someone/anyone stopping by and collecting our weapons -- much less taking them down to a collection center. Fat f*cking chance. You have no clue how many MFers I am willing to drop when they ring my doorbell. There is a trigger point out there that is a lot like the porn threshold: we'll know it when we see it. And we sure as hell are not the UK or OZ or Canada.

As they say, all you'll find is a very large pile of spent brass.

Dublindave

What we need to do is take a guy like Manuel transmission and humiliate him....sexually humiliate him in front of his children....then other guys like him'll think twice about holding ont to their guns when we come round to get them....you hold onto your gun then you forefeit your wife to entertain the boys for an afternoon..... heh heh heh.......lets see the tough guy talk now!!!!!!!

Fen

“I believe, and many of the parents there believe, that if Lanza had to switch cartridges nine times versus two times there would likely still be little boys and girls alive in Newtown today"

Idiot. Lanza, as the aggressor, would have simply chosen more safe positions to swap out magazines. No one bothered him when he switched two time, so what makes you think it would have been any different if he had to switch nine times?

Its the home owner confronting a burglar that is the only one hurt by lower magazine capacity, because defensive use does not have the advantage of choosing the time, location and range of the encounter - the perp does.

Its also easy for amateur perps to learn how to swap out mags. Ironically, what gets them is loading 30 round magazines the max, because the mag springs routinely create feed jams when loaded max (which is why Marine infantry like me rarely load to 30, we prefer 22-25 and the lesser chance of a feed jam).

hoyden

Another reason why you can't shoot a rapist; they might be a Democrat and Obama supporter.

hoyden

Wow, that Narcisolator is good! The local grease spot is now gone.

Extraneus

The NY Times isn't writing this stuff for us. The NY Times sets the agenda for libs. They read it like some people read the Bible. If it says that "historically in these instances, amateurs have trouble switching magazines," then that's the party line: "Fly, my pretties! Go out there and parrot that. If enough people believe it, we win!"

Btw, is the NY Times editor's bodyguard limited to one 7-round magazine?

Extraneus

And, btw, of course it's slower to change magazines than to keep firing from a high-capacity magazine. As squaredance wrote, that's not the point. The point is to move the argument away from one of constitutional rights.

rse

Ex-

I think the only constitutional rights that are to be left are those in the envisioned Second Bill of Rights. After all, these people are quite serious about using the schools to cultivate a belief that they will monitor that one has a Universal Love obligation. To humanity. I am no longer coming across that in HK citing US profs.

Rob-I see you got the full SQ treatment. And he had been so civil recently.

narciso

Much like the Times denouncing private security companies in general, but not giving up their own in Baghdad, BTW the CBS report, has Lanza being inspired by violent video games, including
'Call of Duty' and the Breivik massacre,

narciso

So, he's been thinking, what am I 'chopped liver'

http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/18/93-wtc-bomber-feels-lonely-wants-company/

after all the attention given the Blind Sheikh,

narciso

Hanging around with Crystal and Toure, doesn't lead to clear thinking;

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/won-rushed-article-1.1267200?localLinksEnabled=false

sbw

rse, ever run across Barbara Burns Madelioni?

While she has identified the educational corporatocracy, she thinks it is a right wing plot.

jimmyk

Anyone think these three things are a coincidence?
1. Separate vacation for Barry and Michelle.
2. Reggie L accompanies Barry to exclusive resort.
3. Press suddenly gets "no access" to Barry.

Jimmyk

Speaking of the NYT, it's last remnant of honesty and value, the crossword puzzle, has fallen. One of the clues in Sunday's was "A pastime of Barack Obama at Camp David." Five letters, and it's not "choom."

Anyone else having trouble connecting to JOM this morning?

DrJ

Anyone else having trouble connecting to JOM this morning?

Yep, jimmyk. Seems to be getting better now.

narciso

I thought it was just me,

Neo

Frum's suggestion of using the surgeon general to issue a report ...

"In 1988, the surgeon general, C. Everett Koop, proclaimed ice cream to a be public-health menace right up there with cigarettes. Alluding to his office’s famous 1964 report on the perils of smoking, Dr. Koop announced that the American diet was a problem of “comparable” magnitude, chiefly because of the high-fat foods that were causing coronary heart disease and other deadly ailments.

He introduced his report with these words: 'The depth of the science base underlying its findings is even more impressive than that for tobacco and health in 1964.'"

... and today ice cream, just like snowy winters, are a thing of the past. LOL

Janet

Anyone else having trouble connecting to JOM this morning?

I did, jimmyk.

The separate vacations is odd. I mentioned it before, but there was speculation that FLOTUS gets her plastic surgery tune-ups when she's off on her skiing vacations.

Rick Ballard

"Anyone else having trouble connecting to JOM this morning?"

Don't tempt Typhuspad, jimmy. The malware has been particularly efficient this morning and we don't want to encourage it by noting the extent of its abject malfunction.

Janet

Good Sultan Knish today -

"How does one protect them from the damage that they do to their own character? And how does one save people from their own hate?"

"It has been made manifestly clear that Muslim violence against us, both individual and collective, will not cease any time soon, and that such violence is informed by the scriptures of their faith.'

Jane:  Mock the Media

Jimmy,

I'm confident Michelle understands that Barry needs a little Love now and then.

narciso

No, they are not our ally, but they appreciate the F-16s, in the LUN

Rob Crawford

"One of the clues in Sunday's was "A pastime of Barack Obama at Camp David." Five letters, and it's not "choom.""

Lies? No, that's four...

henry

Snow and cold, perfect for today. Most local elections today are in red areas, so Justice Roggensack should make it to the April election.

henry

oops, missed the link WI SC primary is today.

Neo

The long-time strategist for President Obama and former White House senior adviser is joining NBC News and MSNBC as a "senior political analyst," the networks said Tuesday.

Axelrod "will contribute frequently across all broadcasts and platforms of both networks," said the announcement.

This basically means Axelrod can't appear on competing networks.

henry

link here.

Danube of Thought

For those following closely, the ever-accelerating fiasco of Obamacare is a sheer delight. And it's only going to get better.

narciso

The only surprise, is the producer at NBC Miami, didn't get one;


http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/204551/austin-tice-david-corn-win-polk-awards/

bgates

"A pastime of Barack Obama at Camp David." Five letters, and it's not "choom.""

Lies? No, that's four...

and 'sodomy' is six...

Rob Crawford

Oh, and squaredance -- I'm still amazed the way the disparagement of other peoples' commitment is accompanied by displays of chest-thumping bravado rarely seen outside of primate houses.

I made a cogent argument -- you told me not to bother. As I don't see any purpose to abandoning ANY tactic, I figured your decision to not engage in "pragmatics" meant you have declined to engage at all. Now it's clear that your intent is to abuse anyone who will not conform to your particular preferred tactics.

Fine. Whatever. Good luck with that. Hate to see someone so intent on driving away allies, but it's your choice.

Rick Ballard

DoT,

The Forbes piece reads as an effort by the insurance streetwalkers to upgrade their take by threatening not to show up on their stroll. I would imagine the possibility of being locked out of administration fees associated with agency status when sole payer ensues will mitigate their actual willingness to act when push comes to shove.

It is rather pleasant to watch preliminary BOzocare antics as stage prep for the '14 Prog Rejection effort but the Brothelkeepers Trust won't be at the spear tip.

Or ill-regulated range discipline.

People don't kill people, mentally ill guns kill people.
==============================

Janet

Well said, Rob.

Melinda Romanoff

henry-

Snow in Racine?

I predict only 124% turnout at the Cesar Chavez Center.

Manuel Transmission

Last evening about 20 of us sat in on the first reading of a three act play written by our next door neighbor. Think Holbrook's Lincoln. Only this is Jefferson. First act, Tom is in the President's quarters ready to sign Cap'n Lewis's orders for the L&C expedition. Act two is twenty years later musing over the long relationship with Adams. Act three is a modern day, Jobs-like black clad Tom after finding his old desk in the Smithsonian. Here he chides us on what we forgot and how, surprisingly, there are many parallels from his time.

Brilliant. Local guy that read the part had the perfect Virginia soft drawl. And the (mostly) original sounding language was easy to follow. I think it will be ideal for students, as well as us geezers.

Jane:  Mock the Media

"A pastime of Barack Obama at Camp David." Five letters, and it's not "choom.""

Duh! It's obviously skeet.

This is funny.

TM, check your server, it's acting funky.

Jane:  Mock the Media

Rob,

I also agree with you.

Melinda Romanoff

I also predict I will double post today.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

--Ironically, what gets them is loading 30 round magazines the max, because the mag springs routinely create feed jams when loaded max (which is why Marine infantry like me rarely load to 30, we prefer 22-25 and the lesser chance of a feed jam).--

That's also the reason I went from a high capacity double stack magazine back to a single stack 7 round mag in my primary self defense gun; too many feed problems, plus the gun is slimmer and more concealable.

So don't tell the grabbers but they may be making all those law abiding mass killers, who will readily turn in their 15 round mags for 10 or less, more efficient.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

--And we sure as hell are not the UK or OZ or Canada.--

Poor little DumbassDave simply has no idea how strong the anti-state impulse is in this country among scores of millions of people and so he indulges in his sad little homo-erotic fantasies.

If the state ever attempts to actually confiscate the citizen's firearms there will be a revolution.

Jane:  Mock the Media

We need a revolution.

henry

I predict only 124% turnout at the Cesar Chavez Center.

Only if the bus from Chicago doesn't crash.

Jane:  Mock the Media

So all of a sudden the media is talking about how "closed" this administration is - because of a golf game. Benghazi, Fast & Furious and a zillion other things don't matter to them in the least.

The media should be shipped off to China on a very slow boat owned by Carnival Cruise Line.

Rob Crawford
If the state ever attempts to actually confiscate the citizen's firearms there will be a revolution.

Yes. And the closer they get to that, the more stress they put on the restraints preventing it.

Which is what has me worried -- they seem intent on pushing EVERY group they can imagine, on EVERY issue they can.

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