The DoJ On Gun Control

The research arm of the Department of Justice prepared a study on the likely efficacy of various gun control measures. Their thoughts on baning large capacity magazines (or, as the Times headlined, imposing size limits on bullet cartridges or limiting high capacity ammunition) are interesting:

In order to have an impact, large capacity magazine regulation needs to sharply curtail their availability to include restrictions on importation, manufacture, sale, and possession. An exemption for previously owned magazines would nearly eliminate any impact. The program would need to be coupled with an extensive buyback of existing large capacity magazines. With an exemption the impact of the restrictions would only be felt when the magazines degrade or when they no longer are compatible with guns in circulation. This would take decades to realize.

So unless a final bill excludes a grandfathering exemption and includes a buyback, it will be a Look Good, Feel Good measure unlikely to make any difference. With an effective ban, they conclude their might be an effect on (very rare) mass shootings.

FWIW, my Official Editorial Position has been that banning large capacity magazines is likely to be a political winner whether it makes sense or not. Criminals or aspiring mass shooters (who often display careful planning) will get large capacity magazines if they want them. Or, they may not bother - the Va Tech shooter used ten and fifteen round magazines in two handguns.

Comments

[maryrose]

First!
You are correct in your conclusions as usual.

[maryrose]

TM:
Thanks for pursuing this and calling people to task to provide accurate information. Because they know you are watching, I am sure many people including our senators and representatives realize any direct invasion of 2nd amendment rights is a political loser. Even Obama has to falsely claim he does skeet shooting and Biden has to recommend shot-guns.

[Ignatz Ratzkywatzky]

--With an exemption the impact of the restrictions would only be felt when the magazines degrade or when they no longer are compatible with guns in circulation. This would take decades to realize.--

Centuries, not decades.

And what butthead uses "realize" like that besides a boneheaded bureaucrat or academic? "Happen", "occur", "take place" sound too sensible?

[Walter]

Many of the proposals have a limit on fifteen round magazines. Many pistols come with fifteen round magazines.

Will it be easy to adapt them to use a seven or five round magazine? Would it be sufficient to crimp a notch so that it could not be filled past the "safe" limit per magazine?

And heck, wouldn't their be a fifth amendment issue with outlawing possession without a grandfather clause?

[Walter]

There. Preview is my friend, or would be if I only would allow it to.

[Rob Crawford]

Centuries, not decades.

Millenia. The primary failure point for magazines is the spring. How hard is it to make a replacement spring?

[James D.]

a Look Good, Feel Good measure unlikely to make any difference

It seems to me that this is the best case scenario for probably 95% of the legislation that's passed these days (certainly on the Federal level; probably in the states as well).

[narciso]

From the first page of the report;

The Australia buyback appears to have had no effect on crime otherwise.

[narciso]

That comes from this study in part;

http://andrewleigh.org/pdf/GunBuyback_Panel.pdf

[Walter]

Somebody in CT's Office of Legislative Research did a report.

Short answer to the takings issue? Maybe.

Anybody have a shortcut for putting links in using an iPad? Seems a pain using the onscreen keyboard.

[narciso]

They keep digging for the pony, they'll find it some day;

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/204431.pdf

[Ignatz Ratzkywatzky]

--Will it be easy to adapt them to use a seven or five round magazine?--

High capacity magazines are generally wider than lower capacity ones because the rounds are staggered rather than sitting directly over each other, so usually a block has to be installed in the high cap mag. You can't just interchange what is called a single stack magazine for a high capacity double stack.

[Porchlight]

Thanks to cathyf for posting this in the last thread. Just read it and I hope you all will, too:

James Delingpole: Why We Fight II

[narciso]

Needless to say, almost all of this, is Joyce foundation aided, however, even they couldn't find the squirrel's nut stash, at times;

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=192946

[sbw]

[Doubly reddundundant post from the end of the last thread, because that's the way I roll]

Registering weapons is a poor approach.

If people interested in acquiring firearms passed a background check for felonies or mental instability, we would not have to register firearms at all.

Part of Second Amendment "Truth to power" is the government not exactly knowing how many firearms I might own.

[Rob Crawford]

If people interested in acquiring firearms passed a background check for felonies or mental instability, we would not have to register firearms at all.

They already do.

It's not the fault of the law-abiding citizen that the ACLU has prevented states from accurately reporting when someone has been adjudicated mentally incompetent.

The entire purpose of registration is to make confiscation seem feasible.

[narciso]

Yes, this is the whole purpose of the exercise, and we will get nothing out of it, which is also the point.

[NK]

Since the Newton nightmare I have been in agreement with TomM's official editorial position that the scalawags in Congress will ban high capacity mags because-- well because-- it's stupid, useless and won't save any lives, but it's something. recently though, I've become less certain-- the persuadable voters seem so disgusted with politicians and the debacles they've caused, I don't know that Congress gets any brownie points for doing something useless. TBD. I do think the background check rules are amended to cover non licensed gun dealer sales.

[Threadkiller]

"The vice president said that is exactly what he told his wife to do. Said Jill if there's ever a problem just walk out on the balcony here walk out. Put that double barreled shotgun and fire two blasts".

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/joe-biden-double-barrel-shotgun-comments-draw-buzz-18544964

Gun saftey at its best...

[Jane: Mock the Media]

This is the bio of the guy sentencing Jesse Jackson Jr. But he says he has no bias so no worries:

“In 1988, while a law student, Judge Wilkins served as a co-chair of Harvard Law School students supporting the presidential campaign of Rev. Jesse L. Jackson, Sr., and on October 24, 1988, Judge Wilkins introduced Rev. Jackson when he came to speak at a campus event supporting the presidential candidacy of Governor Michael Dukakis. On March 21, 1999, while an attorney, Judge Wilkins appeared as a guest on a show hosted by Rev. Jackson on the CNN network entitled ‘Both Sides with Jesse Jackson’ to discuss a civil rights lawsuit in which Judge Wilkins was a plaintiff. Judge Wilkins believes that he has spoken to Rev. Jackson only on these two occasions, and he does not believe that he has ever met or spoken to the two defendants in these cases

[maryrose]

I am currently reading a book by Caro on LBJ. Very interesting facts are emerging. The dems really hated the Civil Rights legislation and tried to water it down in 1957-58. After Kennedy's death LBJ felt honor bound to contine his legacy wrt civil rights legislation. LBJ really wanted the presidency in 1960 and didn't think much of the young upstart JFK. Bobby ,he despised. No one wanted to cross Bobby. It was said he never forgot or forgave a double-cross. LBJ started too late campaigning and thought he had the West sewn up.

[NK]

So SloJo claims he advised his wife to commit a negligent act -- make that-- possibly grossly negligent--make that-- possible felonious act. I hope she's smart enough not to heed SloJo.

[NK]

Jane@1209-- sounds like a ChiTown fix is in with Judge Wilkins: your thoughts MelR?

[maryrose]

Jane:
The fix is in. How did it occur that this particular judge got the sentencing and the case. My prediction limited if any jail time at a cushy resort type of prison or a halfway house.Even easier sentence for his wife. Why didn't JJJR. just ask daddy for the Rolex money?

[Ignatz Ratzkywatzky]

No high capacity magazine ban will pass the House and probably not the Senate either.

[Rob Crawford]

How did it occur that this particular judge got the sentencing and the case.

Keep in mind that the odds of finding a judge in the Chicago area that is NOT part of the Combine is virtually zero.

[NK]

Ig@12:16-- the odds are headed your way not the official JOM editorial position. I am pleasantly surprised by that.

[centralcal]

Yesterday there were many comments about Sanford running again for office after his Argentinian affair.

Now today, it is revealed that former Senator Pete Domenici fathered a son 30 years ago - in an affair with the daughter of Senator Laxalt.

Oy vey.

[Dublindave]

Fox news reporting Chuck hagel spent time in Al Qaeda compound for reasons unknown as of yet.

[Soylent Red]

Millenia. The primary failure point for magazines is the spring. How hard is it to make a replacement spring?

Speaking strictly for AKs and SKSs, many are made of ABS plastic. Keep them from sitting for long periods in direct sunlight, heat or extreme cold and they will be here when we have gone the way of the dinosaur.

Some of the newer ones have a kind of scissor spring thingy that could easily be made in machine shop in about an hour.

3-D printing technology and a combination of job shop CNC milling and injection molding will ensure that there will always be replacements and parts.

[narciso]

So it's really not a metaphor;

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/02/20/pete_domenici_michelle_laxalt_ex_senator_admits_to_fathering_child_with.html

[Jack is Back]

Evidently, there seems to be an effort underway for the Sandy Hook parents to do some traveling to "gun" states and start talking about their loss and pushing for gun control. A few days ago, our local Congressman, Ron DeSantis held a Town Hall in the local high school auditorium. Got a crowd of about 300 who were mostly tea party types and 2nd Amendment protectors. He got an earful on just about everything from spending to taxes to Benghazi to debt to impeachment to gun control.

About an hour into all of this the parents of a kid killed at Sandy Hook reportedly got up and started to speak of their loss and how none of the people speaking about gun legislation could understand their loss, blah, blah, blah. I guess it subdued the audience somewhat and DeSantis was blindsided but never backed down from his affirmation of 2nd Amendment rights.

As I understand the couple then started to pass out wrist bands that said: What Would Daniel Do? to all those who came up and sympathized with them. As I understand it this is not the first traveling road show from Sandy Hook. These folks told the local fishwrap they were visiting relatives in DeLand which is about an hours drive from where the town hall was held.

Daytona News Journal Article

[Stephanie]

Just got a coupon in the val-pac mailing for a new gun range that is opening near me. Yipee! First half-hour is half price in March. And grand opening give-a-ways...

Was already thinking about having my birthday fun at a gun range.. now more choices. Inviting some newbies to the party (and their teenage daughters) to get em hooked.

[Rob Crawford]

What Would Daniel Do?

Daniel? My brother Daniel?

He has a Curios and Relics license. Need I say more?

[Sue]

Aren't guns outlawed in DC? Or is it just handguns?

[maryrose]

These Sandy Hook parents are being used ala Cindy Sheehan for the promotion of the Left's agenda. I sympathise with them in their loss but becoming advocates for increased funding for mental illness issues is a much better use of their time. I know they are grieving so I make allowances for their behavior.

[Sue]

When they show up in Hollywood and ask them to put a halt to violence in the video games the shooter was addicted to, I'll pay attention to them. They have my sympathy but they won't get my guns.

[Extraneus]

And what butthead uses "realize" like that besides a boneheaded bureaucrat or academic?

Someone who sees the outcome as a gain - like a profit, something to be realized.

[Extraneus]

But of course you knew that.

[maryrose]

Daniel would make sure the principal or the janitor is armed and would guarantee an armed retired policeman was on the premises. Daniel would increase lockdown procedures and install bullet-proof glass in the school. Daniel would also insure an identification system via closed circuit tv to see who wants to gain entrance. Also no packages or backpacks with guns in them should get past the front door.

[Old Lurker]

Porch 11:59, CathyF and DoT (last night).

I went to bed last night thinking about the Delingpole quote DoT posted, believing that he pretty much nailed my own state of mind.

I awoke this morning feeling the same way. So I took up my pen and sent it to my pastor of 25 years (ECUSA) and pretty much stated that this is exactly what happens when we eliminate (the fear of) God from an entire society (the Judeo-Christian West), when our preachers fail to teach what IS the right thing to do, when our schools fail to reinforce what we learned in church/synagogue, when families are replaced by government, and when the entire history of man since the Dark Ages is forgotten.

Duh.

[Rob Crawford]

Actually, my brother Dan is ALSO a poster-child for teaching gun safety. He has two boys, and happens to live right next to a train track that, eventually, runs through Chicago. One day one of his boys saw a pistol laying in their yard. So he did what he's supposed to do -- left it alone, told his Dad.

The police figure it was tossed off a train by someone looking to get rid of a murder weapon.

[maryrose]

Rob:
Can they trace the gun and find out if it was in fact a murder weapon. I know, I am watching way too many crime thrillers.Escape by a criminal on a train, interesting choice.

[Jack is Back]

Snowing in Tuscon at the Match Play Championships:) Gone from wind, cold and rain to snow. The just suspended play.

[jimmyk]

"And what butthead uses "realize" like that besides a boneheaded bureaucrat or academic? "Happen", "occur", "take place" sound too sensible?"

Or just nothing at all: "This would take decades." Perfectly clear in context, two fewer (not "less") words.

But ext nailed the reason.

[Old Lurker]

Moving right along to the Sequester. I have a question.

Obama told the defense companies not to send the legally required advance notice of possible layoffs, and those companies buckled in the weeks before the election...do those companies now expect to be sued by employees who get laid off next week? Obama promised to protect them from such suits didn't he?

Man when laws are allowed to be selectively applied and enforced it sure gets complicated.

[Captain Hate]

This is the bio of the guy sentencing Jesse Jackson Jr. But he says he has no bias so no worries

Evidently Shakedown Jr and the missus didn't see a worry either since they pled guilty.

[Melinda Romanoff]

JJJr sentencing is in DC, I believe.

[Rob Crawford]

Can they trace the gun and find out if it was in fact a murder weapon.

If it was ever registered.

[maryrose]

CH;
Trust me JJJR's mental illness{bipolar disorder} will play a huge part in the sentencing. The Jacksons have choreographed this charade very well.

[maryrose]

Mel:
This is from a previous thread but I too regard Steve Liesman as a clown. The highlight of my day is watching Rick Santelli shred him each time a jobs report comes in or the first Friday of every month when we have the unemployment rate. He sputters and rationalizes under the truth-telling of Santelli.

[Jane: Mock the Media]

Re:JJjr.

The prosecutor did not object to the judge and I think (but may be wrong) that the court is in DC.

[anonamom]

Jane,
I've long been amazed at how attorneys/judges decide themselves whether they are unbiased enough despite their past associations with the involved to continue on a case, whereas it has been shown that getting a free pen or pad of paper from a drug company biases a physician's decision-making process.
(Not kidding. A pad of paper.)

Oh, to be one of the annointed.

[NK]

JiB-- snowing in Tucson? I blame.... you know the rest. Actually these 2 weeks are my favorite PGA golf watching time-- Rivera CC in LA and Match Play in Tucson-- both are fabulous venues for TV golf watching.

PS: yes I believe I read that the JJJr charges were filed in DC Dist Court.

[Rob Crawford]

The prosecutor did not object to the judge and I think (but may be wrong) that the court is in DC.

Isn't DC part of Chicago these days.

;-)

[Thomas Collins]

"Now today, it is revealed that former Senator Pete Domenici fathered a son 30 years ago - in an affair with the daughter of Senator Laxalt."

Public service, cc. A US Senator who was truly concerned about America's declining fertility rate, who took action to reverse the decline, and who didn't even try to take credit for his sacrifice!

[Jack is Back]

This one is for TK.

Did you know that if you were born by C-section you are ineligible to be President?

The Letter

[Janet]

Wonderful OL, @ 1:02.

[Captain Hate]

Tammy Bruce just gave props to AoS for slattering Alcatraz O'Brien's cribbing of wiki on critical race theory daffynitions.

[Frau Indianerherz]

OT - Minnesotans on the war path. Will we hear from Granny Warren? Is the word "squawl" next?
A local bakery which produces squaw bread--a CA special for ever-- has been taken to task by a "stunned" visitor from Minnesota who said the term has been "extremely derogatory" for centuries. A Facebook page was opened to smear shame the bakery which has now folded. PC activists David and Anton Treuer (there was certainly a German in the Obijwe wood pile at one time!)only want to insure respect for young native American girls. The baker's grandmother was Cherokee and born on the Oconaluftee Reservation in NC, but tough totem pole!

[Frau Indianerherz]

LUN for Cherokee/Ojibwe food fight.

[Rob Crawford]

Frau -- they should rename it "Stupid Minnesota C**t Bread".

[MaryD]

LOL Captain. I've also heard er refered to as "that woman who's named after a prison".

[Chubby]

I think Rush was off his game today. I tuned in for a bit and he was dissing Boehner being in favor of sequestration, but he didn't say anything about the fact that the Republicans have already put forth two bills to avoid sequestration, which the Democrats have totally ignored, so I think Boehner is right to say, you made the problem, you fix it.

[Jane: Mock the Media]

I've long been amazed at how attorneys/judges decide themselves whether they are unbiased enough despite their past associations with the involved to continue on a case,

WEll the Judge did ask if the prosecutor objected and I doubt very much if he would have gone forward if they had. And to me any past association is a deal breaker. I think that is true of most lawyers.

But there certainly are some horrid lawyers and judges out there.

How does a doctor get accused of bias? by who?

[Porchlight]

Good job OL. Sadly, from what you've told us of your pastor, I'm guessing you won't get much traction.

[Jack is Back]

Clarice,

I spent most of my adult life on long-haul flights it seemed.

The last few years I started to use the Argonne Labs Fast/Feast diet.

You may want to consider. That and working out upon arrival always worked for me.

[Captain Hate]

Oh boy; ace has been talking to Top Men again and the crop report isn't to his liking.

[Rob Crawford]

CH -- who do you think ass hears from? Third-level staffers to NYC Republicans who dream of someday running for dog catcher?

[Jane: Mock the Media]

Anonamom,

I think I was misleading. You certainly get to know Judges over time and they you. The biggest advantage in that is a judge tends to know if you are honest and that is indeed helpful (or hurtful if you are not).

Early on I did some criminal pro bono work and often appeared in front of a judge who was the father of one of my partners. Since I was always representing the defendant that was no help at all, as the same DA's appeared in front of that judge every day and it always seemed like they were all joined together at birth. And I dare say some of the defendants were more familiar to him than I was.

[And the memories.]

Heh, Jane, can't help but see bewigged Rumpole.

Sure, doctors are biased. The biases are kept in bounds by Nature and the long rock walls of cemeteries.
==========

[NK]

Judges are SUPPOSED to recuse themselves even where there is no actual conflict or bias, but where there is an appearance of conflict or bias. The closest I ever came to being refered for discipline for disrepecting a judge was when a Leftwing NYC Judge refused to recuse herself in a subsidized housing case, where she herself lived in the type of affected subsidized housing, and her law clerk had been part of the law firm that was representing the subsidized tenants. I was appalled that her written decision denying recusal MISstated the clear law that appearance of bias was the applicable standard-- she denied recusal because she was not personally directly affected by the case, and her clerk hadn't actually participated-- nonsense on stilts. I moved to reargue and said so. The judge didn't like being called out-- she was accustomed to people rolling over to her Fascist in Robes routine-- I didn't. I lost the motion and then the case-- quelle surprise.

[sbw]

NK, and the appeal?

[narciso]

Must have been a bad batch of nub nub, how do you come to that conclusion,

[Melinda Romanoff]

NYT to sell New England Media Group and related properties.- Twitter

[Melinda Romanoff]

Jane-

That includes the Worcester T&G. Now's your chance.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Sandi Jackson also pleads to filing false tax returns.

Didn't hear about that one.

[narciso]

'Hollowpoint' is denser then cobalt, why else would they have a NAMBLA supporter as a top education apparatchnik,

[bgates]

What Would Daniel Do?

If asked to participate in a debate over the proper role of the federal government in regulating ownership of firearms,
given the Constitutional safeguards for natural rights,
and the prudent concerns regarding tyranny, mob violence, and ordinary crime which the Founders' study of history and their own experiences living in the Colonies and fighting the Revolution led them to create that safeguard in the first place -

ask to play with his mom's iPad, I guess.

[narciso]

No, Rush was pointing how out a year and a half ago, Obama pledged to make sure that the sequester could not be stopped, the unicorn leavings are so deep you need one of those big cow catchers, words mean nothing to these people

I did pick up the new Schlaes volume on Coolidge.

[Rob Crawford]

Or, wait, is "Daniel" Daniel Boone?

"You may all go to Hell, and I will go to Texas."

[Captain Hate]

I did pick up the new Schlaes volume on Coolidge.

I'll be interested in your reaction given that her book on The Depression was so good as a corrective overview but left me with an appetite for more detail.

Yes Hollowhead is not one of a kind, unfortunately. The ewok is not lacking for enablers.

[narciso]

And they were doing so good, having invited Sarah and Ted, then they invited Mittens. well it will be an exercise in compare and contrast.

[Jane - Mock the Media!]

That includes the Worcester T&G. Now's your chance.

I wonder if they will take $1.50.

Any idea who is buying them?

[narciso]

Oh comw on, it can't be as bad as my fishwrap.

[Jane - Mock the Media!]

Schlaes was on an NRO cruise a few years ago. She was truly one of the most impressive speakers I have ever heard. I bet her new book is spectacular. She was on Kudlow last night and looked different to me. I almost thought she'd had a stroke.

[Janet]

Sean Bielat is not running -
"Facebook Friends:

Your support has been overwhelming, and greatly appreciated, but I have decided NOT to run for US Senate at this time. However, I look forward to fighting with all of you, now and in the future, to preserve our great nation's liberty, security and prosperity. -- Sean"

[maryrose]

Janet:
It is a shame Sean Bielat is not running.I think the word is out in Massachusetts. Ever since the dems got caught with their pants down wrt Scott Brown's victory, repubs need not apply.

[NK]

JJJr-- NBC reports Jackson admits he's NOT eligible for probation;

sbw-- the appeal? a NYS agency was the main defendant party-- so it was represented by AG Andy Cuomo. After the trial court decision, Andy personally told me that we'd never win an appeal. I relayed that to the clients, they got the message, no appeal was taken.

[Threadkiller]

Judges are SUPPOSED to recuse themselves even where there is no actual conflict or bias, but where there is an appearance of conflict or bias.

They are??

The U.S. Supreme Court in typical fashion denied without comment Dr. Orly Taitz's application for stay for the California electoral challenge Noonan v Bowen. Dr. Taitz sought to strip California's electoral votes from Barack Obama based on his Article II ineligibility, his forged birth certificate, his forged Selective Service, and his Connecticut Social Security Number. Included were Affidavits from DHS Special Agent Stephen Coffman and Debt Collector Albert Hendershot attesting to Obama's identity fraud.

It is reported that the U.S. Supreme Court Law Clerks did not even forward the pleadings to Five of the justices.

And as usual SCOTUS Squatters Sotomayor and Kagan did not recuse themselves. No conflicts of interest there, right?

FROM PAGE ONE OF THE SCOTUS ORDER LIST:

12A606 NOONAN, EDWARD, ET AL. V. BOWEN, CA SEC. OF STATE

The applications for stay addressed to The Chief Justice and referred to the Court are denied.

This is how it would read if they actually recused themselves:

Justice Sotomayor/Kagan took no part in the consideration or decision of this application.

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/02/scotus-denies-without-comment-obama-eligibility-case.html?m=1

There is a new standard for how the courts carry themselves.

[Jack is Back]

marlene (when you check in),

We are a little fickled here weather wise. It was supposed to be in the high 70's today but never got above 59. Wind changed from WSW to ENE. If it can snow in Tucson then you know what it can do in Florida:)

This has really screwed with the minds of the NASCAR crew chiefs who have been practicing with warm weather tires and different fuel leans. Now, if the weather changes again back to 70's or 80's they need to make a 180 on race strategy and materiel. Sort of takes a lot of the winning out of the driver's hands and puts it into the crew.

I-95 is a running full of every land yacht from Georgia, South and North Carolina, a few from the midwest and lots from that NASCAR heaven of Nu Yawk and Nu Joisy:)

[Jane - Mock the Media!]

I think the word is out in Massachusetts

Somebody needs to tell the 3 other republicans running.

[Jack is Back]

Jane,

I spent a lot of time in the late 80's early 90's in Boston consulting on the Big Dig and never once met a rabid, slobbering liberal of the variety that would constantly elect Markey and Frank and Kerry and Kennedy.

Where and what is the liberal appeal in Mass? I just don't get it. The most right wing person I know down here is from Mass. Its just weird to me.

[Threadkiller]

JiB, was that link to the c-section letter? I heard it on Limbaugh.

Funny stuff!

BTW, I never got around to using my TIG. I got confound by my brother needing a lumber rack for his truck. They did not mass produce what he wanted so I have been modifying a Craigslist special for him.

Plenty of MIG welding and Plasma cutting fun there.

Off to the metal mart.

[Jack is Back]

TK,

Don't tell me his lumber rack is Aluminum? Yikes.

[Dave (in MA)]

l'chaim                                                                                                                   salud

[Beasts of England]

Curios and Relics need licensing? Am I safer and just didn't know it?

[lyle]

I hope she's smart enough not to heed SloJo.

She's a doctor, Jim!! Of course, so is Dick Cheney's wife. I wonder why we never heard her called that? Mystery!

[Rob Crawford]

Beasts -- it's a particular license that lets you buy old firearms without going through the normal background checks for each purchase.

[lyle]

I spent a lot of time in the late 80's early 90's in Boston consulting on the Big Dig and never once met a rabid, slobbering liberal of the variety that would constantly elect Markey and Frank and Kerry and Kennedy.

Hang around Cambridge and Provincetown. Might disabuse you of this perception. Maybe Wellesley.