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February 04, 2013

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NK

TK-- In all seriousness the Unified Executive POTUS (which I do support) has the authority to administer arms sales approved by Congress. Not sure how the House repubs "stop" such executive action in any event. BTW-- I am a proud independent voter. registered NYC Dem 1976-1990, Ct indy since.

Janet

Porchlight@12:30 very important point about the mass media enemy of conservatives.

Totally agree. fdcol63 made that point too.

Threadkiller

The firearms sales are doing so well because of the fear that the GOP will cave at any minute, TC.

The Party of "Stupid"(Jindal's words, not mine) lost the election by being the Party of "Repeal and Replace".

narciso

Libby's only failing, was trying to explain something to Matt Cooper, you're better off
teaching a pig, French, Rove, almost ended up in the hoosegaw, over that little episode,

Appalled

Thomas Collins:

I think you would find that state level Republicans behave differently than the Congressional variety. Here in Georgia, the GOP governor and the Democrat Mayor of Atlanta get along quite well. In the states, it is the Democratic legislators who do the annoying things like try to shut down government. (And they pay for those tactics -- as henry can tell you.)

As for gun control -- I do not see the GOP either in Congress or the states lining up to appease the Dems on this. The issues where the GOP could be accused of looking wobbly is the debt limit (a bad place to have a fight on fiscal responsibility, simply because refusing to pay debts is not fiscally responsible), and immigration. (An issue that has ALWAYS divided the GOP)

Threadkiller

--"Not sure how the House repubs "stop" such executive action in any event."--

An amendment championed by Paul and his like-minded senators to eliminate the sale of weapons failed yesterday by a vote of 79-19, with all 19 votes for the amendment coming from the GOP. The amendment would have suspended the sale of F-16 fighter jets, M1 tanks, and similar weaponry to Egypt.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/02/01/GOP-Split-On-Arms-Sales-To-Egypt

narciso

And we saw the three Amigos, McCain, Graham and Ayotte, who does Egypt need F-16s again, Iran, they're the new best friends.

narciso

Ignote the elephant, I mean CRA revisions, and DOJ pressures, in the room.

http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2013/02/05/how-do-you-spell-retaliation/

narciso

This is why we can't have nice things;

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/02/05/atlantic-writer-thinks-that-the-great-dodge-paul-harvey-super-bowl-ad-was-raaaacist/

Chubby

((Morgan has no concept of guns in America or how we relish our 2nd amendment right. ))

Countless rational arguments, facts, statitistics, history, and example after example have been put to him by his guests that prove he is on the wrong side of the argument, and all that just goes one ear and out the other. Nothing rational registers with him. He is an extremely stupid man. Can you imagine a teacher having to deal with such a dullard of a student?

pagar

Graham is a Senator from the state where I am required by law to cast my vote.
I voted for him in the primary because IMO the other candidate could not have defeated the Democrat candidate. Am I happy with his votes in the Senate? Not always, but I would never have been happy with any vote casted by a Democrat Senator.

IMO, the best info any Republican politician
can relay to the voters is that they will always oppose any position the Democrats hold. There is simply no position the Democrats hold on any subject that I support.

Chubby

this business that the Republicans have to "explain" what they are doing doesn't have much hope of success imo. all liberals are like Piers Morgan; they are not rational beings, and "explanations" will fall on deaf ears.

rse

Good afternoon.

http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/isnt-it-political-sabotage-to-use-education-to-eliminate-the-assumption-that-students-are-individuals/ may help explain the Republican problem on education as well. They either do not get the real definitions or too many see t as a means to continue to maintain their own political power.

As I explained IB has morphed into a global vision of what the students should feel and believe and do as a result of education and Common Core and IB turn out to be quite linked.

With U Chicago and Columbia University and Harvard and a US official research arm all involved.

I did not write it until I had downloaded every IB doc I might ever want to use.

Oh and Martha Nussbaum as an advisor too.

It would be hard to make up so many connections to chicago if I was writing fiction.

narciso

He's also admitted he would if given half a chance, torture and kill his opponents, so stupid doesn't quite cover him, Chubby.

Chubby

narciso, thanks for the link to the article about Ted Cruz. He is going to drive the Democrats nuts.

narciso

You're welcome, Chubby, Piers, something you scrape off a shoe, you don't give him an audience, He does almost make one long for the unfocused blitherage of is 'Is Larry King' Alive,

Chubby

((He's also admitted he would if given half a chance, torture and kill his opponents, so stupid doesn't quite cover him, Chubby.))

I missed that .. where and when?

narciso

Well this is the gist of it, we doesn't want other peoples to have guns, however;


http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/18/in-england-piers-morgan-joked-about-shooting-rivals-said-homeowners-who-kill-burglars-should-not-be-prosecuted/#ixzz2ILAbERy5

Mark Folkestad

CH, I celebrate with you the completion of your daughter's practical lesson on life, and the sea. I may have mentioned this before, but my great-niece and her boyfriend/partner (sigh) run a sailboat crewed charter out of Sitka, Alaska each summer. She does the chef duties. Your daughter might get a kick out of talking with her. I can steer you toward the charter website, if you wish.

daddy

the verdict says otherwise, beyond a reasonable doubt.

The verdict said Ted Stevens was guilty as well.

Captain Hate

Yeah Mark, give me a link either here, email or at Facebook. Thanks.

Chubby

rse, have you ever considered a collaboration with David Horowitz and his "discover the networks" ?

NK

Stevens-- should have never been tried b/c of prosecutor abuse. Innocent? maybe not so much.

pagar

Think California has problems? You probably ain't seen nothing yet.

"The CA experiment concocted by AG Harris in "rule by trial lawyer" may eventually cause the federal government to stop guaranteeing mortgages in CA entirely."

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-02-05/tail-risk-kamala-harris-declares-war-lenders-loan-servicers-ca

fdcol63

There was a caller on Rush Limbaugh who went on an anti-GOP tirade, who was identified as Sylvia, who Rush said had mischaracterized his comments and her own political opinions.

I wondered if it was the Sylvia who frequents JOM.

Mark Folkestad

http://www.nwexpeditions.com/

On the crew page, you will see Kelsey Boesch, my great-niece. Her grandparents were their guests on a cruise last summer, and on that same trip, both my brother and his wife caught a nasty strain of pneumonia. Dewey had a compromised immune system due to the anti-rejection meds for his transplanted heart, and it proved fatal. But what a way to go! A great trip with the love of his life and some quality time with a much-loved granddaughter.

NK

The Calif mortgage laws and Blue State Hell Default generally. Narc brought up 'bailout' earlier-- I don't think Congress bails out those States-- primarily because by that point the FF&C of the US Gov't will be worth shite, so no bailout will be available. Instead, I believe, a new bankruptcy code chapter will be created for State reorganization of debt and pension obligations.

Old Lurker

I thought the same thing about Sylvia as she was venting on Rush. She has done that to Rush before and I seem to recall her rants were similar to what our Sylvia had been spouting here...so maybe she is the same nut.

daddy

Innocent? maybe not so much.

NK,

I have seen his A-frame house in Girdwood that he allegedly had $250,000 extra dollars work done on up close. It is impossible for $250,000 worth of extra work to have been done on that house, and any jury in Alaska that went up to the damn thing and looked inside would immediately know it. The FBI lied, the Chief Prosecution witness lied, exonerating evidence and testimony was hidden from the defendant, and the whole damn thing was yanked away from a Jury of his peers and shipped off to corrupt DC. We will simply have to agree to disagree on this one. Dem Senator Daniel Inouye knew and worked with Ted Stevens for 40 years and said the whole thing was bullshit. I agree. It was bullshit start to finish, but it accomplished what it set out to do---taking Stevens down, and nobody paid any price for it all except Senator Ted Stevens. Everyone else in this entire fiasco and miscarriage of justice skated.

BB Key

daddy, Does Senator Stevens have any sons or daughters who would be a viable candidate for his okd seat in 2014 ?

Cecil Turner

Stevens-- should have never been tried b/c of prosecutor abuse.

The prosecutor abuse was hiding exculpatory evidence and allowing false testimony at trial. If they hadn't tried him, there would've been no abuse.

Innocent? maybe not so much.

Based on the lying star witness? Or one-sided evidence because of systematic concealment of evidence favorable to the defense? And as for the charge, the cabin itself wasn't worth the supposed upgrade cost. Total railroad job. Stevens may have been guilty of something, but not on this one.

NK

We'll never know the truth about what Stevens did because of prosecutor misconduct, and we'll never know the truth in the Libby matter because the witnesses are lying 'journalists'. Now as to Menendez and his crony Fla supporters and his young-- very young-- prostitutes, there' a case that cries out for a special prosecutor.

Frau Ehrlichkeit

I'm with Kim about Libby. He did not lie. He stumbled with his "memcons." Armitage was the lying assassin; Powell the untouchable protector and betrayer of trust; Marc Grossman the mole; Wilkerson the rabid dog in the mix; the trial a sadistic joke.

Remember Allen West and True the Vote!

Frau Ehrlichkeit

Then there's Brenda Morris:

– Brenda Morris joined the Public Integrity Section, Criminal Division, U.S. Department of Justice in September 1991.

She could win a gold medal in skating...

daddy

His son Ben Stevens was speaker of the State House and had his office raided by I think 7 FBI agents at least twice during the time of the Repub Prosecutions. Ben Stevens was never prosecuted for any crime, but I think no relative of Ted Stevens will ever, or could ever effectively run for the Senate in Alaska, just like I don't think we'll ever see a Palin run for office in Alaska ever again.

Ben seemed to me to be the standard nepotistic political sibling sort that we see in Begich or Murkowski or the Kennedy's, etc. I am not a fan whatever of Ben Stevens, but of Ted, tho' I do not admire his continual tactic of sucking money for Alaska's development out of the Fed's for 40 years, I just do not see the personal corruption he was falsely prosecuted and falsely convicted of. Of son Ben I have no such feeling as to his character.

Cecil Turner

We'll never know the truth about what Stevens did because of prosecutor misconduct

The evidence concealed clearly supports Stevens' account. There's no way they'd have gotten a conviction if it'd been included. Hence: "not guilty."

The Libby case is just as clear. The prosecution was based on two fallacious arguments:

  • Because VPOTUS and staff were focused on Wilson's pack of lies, they had to be focused on his wife, as well.
  • Libby claimed to've forgotten on a Wednesday what he learned on a Monday (ignoring the fact he was first queried about it three months later).
There's precious little mystery in either of them. And a very object lesson that a Republican before a DC jury can expect anything but due process.

bgates

nobody paid any price for it all except Senator Ted Stevens

Alternative high school graduate Nick Begich was a crucial vote for Obamacare, which means we're all paying a steep price for the Democrats' corrupt railroading of Senator Stevens.

narciso

Well this was the last we heard of Ms. Morris;


http://www.mainjustice.com/2010/04/05/morris-in-the-middle-of-alabama-corruption-probe/

Welch, another figure from that case,was last seen prosecuting that CIA leaker Sterling

jimmyk

"It was bullshit start to finish, but it accomplished what it set out to do---taking Stevens down, and nobody paid any price for it all except Senator Ted Stevens."

Have to disagree. We all paid a price, as we lost a crucial Republican senate seat that would have given Rs an opportunity to filibuster Obamacare, among other things.

jimmyk

Oops, bgates beat me to it.

narciso

Old habits seem to die hard, I don't know if she was part of the same team;


http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/fearing-sideshow-swallowing-circus-feds-seek-militia-damage-control

Thomas Collins
"The firearms sales are doing so well because of the fear that the GOP will cave at any minute, TC."

TK, I nominate you for most insightful "scary GOP" observation of the day! The people who really think GOP leaders are scary are members of the GOP rank and file who smell sellout!

narciso

They smell blanc mange a while away, TC;


http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/with_probe_of_misconduct_in_the_last_stages_heres_where_the_stevens_six_are_now.php

Old Lurker

Frau your list is too short. In fairness you must include the Gods of the MSM who participated in the scam against Libby & Cheney. And death does not exempt them from culpability.

Appalled

TC and TK:

Challenge to you guys. Please find evidence of the GOP "sellout" on gun control issues.

bgates

There's only one thing that happens on this blog that gives me more reassurance than having the same thoughts as jimmyk - and that's having them first.

narciso

This is the perfectly splunge candidate that Rove and Cornyn think is all right;

http://juneauempire.com/state/2013-02-04/murkowski-unveils-energy-plan#.URFfjWeEE_w

Thomas Collins

Jan Brewer, John Kasich and a few others in signing up for the Fed Mediscam on the states in ObamaCare.

What's that, you say? Nothing to do with gun control? I think it's a developing pattern.

By the way, Appalled, your abortion post, and the back and forth on the thread here, illustrates what horrendous decisions Roe v.
Wade and Doe v. Bolton were. There is no basis in the text or history of the Constitution for conclusding that the Constitution forces states to outlaw abortion, or that the Constitution prevents states from outlawing or substantially regulating abortion. As much as people on all sides of the issue disagree strenuously, none has a claim on the US Constitution in this matter. Roe and Doe got the first part correct (US Constitution doesn't require states to ban abortion), but in getting the second part wrong, have in effect created greater legislative turmoil than if the issue had been left to the states, beacause pro-life individuals will never yield an inch on a question on which they think (quite justifiably so) SCOTUS has played the judicial tyrant card.

NK

My conclusion has always been, that because of the 'relationship' between Libby and Miller, he knowingly lied to the FBI about conversations with her. he chose to lie to the FBI, rather than tell the truth to Bush, b/c if he told the truth to Bush, he would have been fired. That's what I concluded from that sordid mess of a sham, of a trial. As a juror I would have voted 'not guilty' because of many reasonable doubts about the testimony of those lying 'journalists', but that doesn't make Scooter 'innocent'. As to Fitz's lies at his press conference, and witholding the truth that he knew who outed Plame from the get go... well, there's your ultimate villain right there.

Captain Hate

Somebody tell Cantor to STFU: https://twitter.com/GOPLeader

centralcal

I absolutely agree, Captain, about Cantor. I was see his crap on my Twitter feed and almost "un-followed" him then and there.

NK

TC@2:41-- I completely agree with. For 30 years, I have caused my NYC lawyer colleagues to suffer the vapors and seek fainting couches by ...um... vigorously asserting that Rowe was the 3rd worst decision in the history of the SCOTUS, b/c Roe denied the democratic and constitutionally mandated political solution to abortion by the 57 State legislatures and the Congress. TC rightly claims that Roe is judicial tyranny. To this day I refuse to tell Libs how I would vote if I were a legislator, b/c the SCOTUS denies every legislature from having a ProLife vote. (IMO --worst SCOTUS decisions were Dred Scott and Plessy -- Korematsu 4th-- Obamacare constitutional as tax? TBD)

narciso

Is it possible to be more trite then this;


http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/02/04/181980/gen-carter-ham-members-of-al-qaida.html#storylink=rss

Captain Hate

cc, it's like he had an twitter tourette's syndrome of dumbass tweets. My previous fairly high opinion of him is taking on water like the levies against Katrina.

narciso

Brainslugs at the House watercooler, best guess;

Rob Crawford

It's likely a staffer running his account. Picking that particular staffer doesn't reflect well on Cantor, though...

NK

New TM Post BTW.

Threadkiller
Republican members of the House of Representatives, where the party holds a majority of seats, discussed the killings in their weekly closed-door conference meeting and said afterward there was more willingness now to talk about regulating weapons.

"You are going to have some people who never, never go there," Representative Steve LaTourette, an Ohio Republican, told reporters, referring to a small number of Republicans who will not countenance any talk of gun regulation.

"But yes, I think most Republicans are willing to have a very, very serious conversation about what this means and taking a second look at what the Second Amendment (guaranteeing the right to bear arms) means in the 21st century," he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/shooting-republicans-more-open-gun-controls-224258802.html

Cave in

Jane:  Mock the Media

NK,

What relationship between Miller and Libby?

Old Lurker

Screw Cantor too.

"We must leave each generation better than the one before"??? Seriously? If a generation is about twenty years, I think we will have gone from about $4T in debt to $22T.

Good job Brownie.

narciso

Well 'Tourette's syndrome' doesn't count, he stepped down didn't he.

Old Lurker

:-) I referenced Brownie because Cap'n brought up Katrina...

Cecil Turner

As to Fitz's lies at his press conference, and witholding the truth that he knew who outed Plame from the get go... well, there's your ultimate villain right there.

Sorry, but this whole theory just doesn't make any sense. As we learned after the fact, nobody outed Plame because nobody knew she was covert (and she wasn't, at least in any meaningful way). When Armitage leaked info from a classified document it was inappropriate, but he had no intent to divulge anything classified, let alone the identity of a covert agent.

Similarly, Libby's view of the whole JCWilsonIV fiasco was primarily to distance the office of the VP from the knucklehead (and dispute the "behesting" BS). His wife's employment was at most a relatively unimportant footnote, and the idea he could recall precise details of three minor mentions of that unimportant fact three months on is ridiculous. And he said precisely that (multiple times) during the GJ testimony . . . and wasn't smart enough to shut up afterward.

Threadkiller

He was welcome in the "closed door" meeting and he gave us insight to the discussions, narciso.

His words count.

maryrose

Dell can't get their deal done on time today.Everyone is just treading water.People feel drained and enervated. Nothing is changing because all the companies are frozen. Everyday the price of Obamacare goes up and everyone feels helpless to stop it. This is what re-election of an idiot feels like.

fdcol63

"His wife's employment was at most a relatively unimportant footnote ..."

I'm confused. I thought Valerie suggested at the CIA that hubby go on this "fact-finding" mission because of his prior work?

Appalled

TK:

Hmm. It does sound like (on 12/18) they were licking their fingers, and seeing which way the wind was blowing. But I think that was more a rhetorical -- let's not seem unreasonable -- crouch. Has anything become anything concrete?

Reaon I am pressing is that it seems the Democrat are having more trouble with this issue than the GOP.

maryrose

Cecil:
You are absolutely correct.
The real target was the WH and Cheney. I still remember their absolute outrage when Cheney did not testify at the courtroom. They were apoplectic. The crazy corroborating of testimony on live MSNBC was laughable. Gregory, Russert and Mitchell were the worst offenders. I still believe the pressure of lying contributed to Russert's death. He looked sick in the courtroom and at heart he knew he was sabotaging the truth. For a small town Buffalo boy that was a lot to try and rationalize.

Thomas Collins

I'd agree with your list, NK, and I'd add the 19th century SCOTUS decision that the Civil Rights Act of 1875 was unconstitutional to the SCOTUS Hall of Shame decisions. The first Mr. Justice Harlan, to his credit, dissented both in that decision and in Plessy.

Threadkiller

Have you ever heard the Ray Kroc quote, Appalled?

"If any of my competitors were drowning, I'd stick a garden hose in their mouth"

If the Dems are really having trouble with the issue why is the GOP sticking their finger in the wind?

Seal the deal. Talk about concealed carry. Do something.

To date no Republican has refuted LaTourette's portrayal of the party's "willingness now to talk about regulating weapons".

The Dems would not only stick a garden hose in the GOP'S mouth they would inject concrete mix in the GOP's ass.

To me, the GOP silence says something.

Cecil Turner

I'm confused. I thought Valerie suggested at the CIA that hubby go on this "fact-finding" mission because of his prior work?

Libby didn't know that until long afterward. (It came out in the SSIC report in 2004.) All they knew was that she introduced him at the meeting . . . which is at best indicative. (And irrelevant, as far as they were concerned; they just wanted to emphasize the OVP didn't send him.)

fdcol63

Cecil, thanks!

Jane - Mock the Media!

I still want to know what relationship was going on between Miller and Libby.

maryrose

Jane: Something about the wind in fir trees or some other type of tree that was written by one of them as a signal.I forget the specifics. Something about cedar...

Porchlight

I don't remember hearing about anything going on between them until NK suggested it today, Jane.

Porchlight

Aspen. But was that really a romantic signal from Libby to Miller?

Janet

weekly closed-door conference meeting and said afterward there was more willingness now to talk about regulating weapons.

If Republicans compromise on our 2nd Amendment rights...what's the use of them?
They already don't like the pro-life people & the believe in God people....we're suppose to shut up cause social conservatism is supposedly a loser. They don't like the secure borders people either....they also need to shut up.

hit and run

The Libby Aspen letter was written to Miller in 2005 as she sat in jail.

centralcal

It's likely a staffer running his account. Picking that particular staffer doesn't reflect well on Cantor, though...

Staffer or not (I think not) the tweets were timed to coincide with the speech Cantor was giving today. I think HE wrote them out ahead of time to be posted during his speech.

I am liking him less and less.

-------

Yeah, the Libby letter about the aspens spreading by their roots was the most baffling thing about the whole episode.

Cecil Turner

The Libby Aspen letter was written to Miller in 2005 as she sat in jail.

And it was way past weird and ill-advised.

Cecil, thanks!

You're very welcome, fdcol63.

Jane - Mock the Media!

So do you guys think they were sleeping together? Apparently I missed the letter.

cathyf

Appalled, we've got democrats and republicans working together to put us into deeper and deeper debt at a terrifying rate, pursuing the bipartisan comity of giving trillions to their cronies in exchange for hundreds of thousands kicked back to them.

And you think that problem is that they don't work well enough together?

Heck, without the far-too-occasional nasty political spat we'd have been spent into Greece DECADES ago.

cathyf
As we learned after the fact, nobody outed Plame because nobody knew she was covert (and she wasn't, at least in any meaningful way). When Armitage leaked info from a classified document it was inappropriate, but he had no intent to divulge anything classified, let alone the identity of a covert agent.
It's even more than that. When Fitzgerald was finally forced to release the state dept report that Armitage "leaked" from, it was very very very clear from the content of the report that Plame's CIA employment was NOT secret and not being KEPT secret by the CIA from that point in time 15 months BEFORE Armitage read the report and talked about it.

There were probably OTHER things in the report that were classified, but the fact that the guy that the CIA sent to Africa is married to one of their employees was NOT classified in Feb of 2002 because in Feb of 2002 the CIA sent her to the meeting during her CIA work hours. IF she HAD been a covert agent, the CIA would have sent some OTHER CIA employee to the meeting to introduce Joe Wilson, and that CIA employee would not have discussed Wilson's marriage.

In most cases of gossip, it is impossible to track the gossip back to its source. In this case, however, the complete paper trail came out in court: the CIA gossiped to their State Dept liaison about who Joe Wilson was married to. 14 months later the State Dept liaison repeated the gossip to his supervisors in a report which contained classified information and gossip mixed together. Anyone with any passing familiarity with procedures with classified information would put the "Plame and Wilson are married" tidbit into the "gossip not secret" category with absolute certainty, since there was no remote intelligence purpose to having Plame at the meeting. The gossip tidbit made it to Armitage directly because the CIA gossiped FIRST. And you can follow the direct chain of gossip from CIA gossiping to Armitage repeating the gossip that originated from the CIA.

Oh heck, capitalize titles.

Hey, Cap'n HaHa, send her Bemelman's 'Now I lay me down to sleep'.
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Porchlight

I remember the letter and it was definitely weird - I just don't remember any suggestion that Libby and Miller were romantically involved. I thought the aspen reference was code for some kind of political intrigue among the influential types that meet up in Aspen.

Dem bones all syncoped.

I agree Maryrose about Russert. Remember, he fell and broke a bone the day of testimony.

The FBI one morning
Lost its notes suborning.
Eckenrode,
Where is that toad?
He's wanted at a harrowing.
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Rick Ballard

"But was that really a romantic signal from Libby to Miller?"

Hardly. It was a reminder of the fact the Aspen Institute is notorious for using the fact a stand of aspens with many trees has a single root system as a metaphor. Libby was reminding her he was a member of the "one big oligarchy" sharing the same common disease.

He was telling the absolute unvarnished truth in the instance.

Kevin M

It will be easy to get this going in California. Just pass a shale oil separation tax and send part of the proceeds to CalPERS. The Greens won't know what hit them.

Porchlight

Thank you Rick. That is how I remember it. This idea of romance between Libby and Miller is out of nowhere. Jane, if you see this, there isn't any precedent, it's in NK's head as far as I can tell.

BR

Iggy: "Then why the plane?"

Ha ha ha ha, yes, I'd laughed about that earlier, too. Well, to pick up the groceries. Well, why not just create the meal by looking at a cook book!

But actually, I enjoy the sensation of flying in a plane :)

BR

Talking about food, I've just made THE best spaghetti bolognese, not with wine but with rum!

BR

Only have a quarter glass of wine to drink with my dinner, so I've added some rum and oeee it tastes good. I think I just made brandy.

Kali in her vimana

There Will be A Young Indian
Shiva Nataraja In His Youth And Amorous Masculinity Is
he.

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