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sbw

Being first just makes the thread longer.

narciso

The cavalier nature of the exercise, is what concerns;


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-08/obama-s-drone-attack-on-your-due-process.html

ask the tribal chief of Ma'arib or young master Awlaki,

narciso

Goldsmith, is an idiot, as Thiessen pointed out, when we went after Zawahiri in Bajaur, and missed in 2005, there was no end of caterwaling, it may have been the source of 'air raiding villages' likewise when we took out Abu Hamza al Rabia, there was no congratulations, nabbing KSM early foreclosed
the most extreme attacks, Setmarian, Michael Moore's twin, was the next successful operator, and he was nabbed after London,
Zarquawi was the next one down, and ultimately the Amman hotel attack allowed
McChrystal to track him down.

Sue

Dr. Brown is not a democrat or republican. he would like to start a new party called the party of logic.

Sue

Dr. Carson. Sheesh.

narciso

Well he kind of reminds one, of Tony Brown,

Jane - Mock the Media!

Obama is no President Bush. President Bush would never have abandoned our guys in Benghazi.

narciso

It may be a self evident statement, but I'm referring to the way he reversed the OLC opinion, he was naive about the real purpose of the 'sincere critics' of Gitmo.

OldTimer

A new narrative on the Petraeus shake-down; Benghazi, and the the Oz of Washington foreign policy, John Brennan...

LUN

rse

OT-

that narrative is hard to read but it does make sense. Especially with one of the authors being good friends with Woods.

And the idea of Al Quds Brennan running unilateral ops without telling the CIA head makes it seem like the govt has appointees nominally in charge and the True Believers actually running what the various institutions do.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

On the smaller issues there is little daylight between Bush and Barry theoretically, but their similar operations are in support of vastly different strategies, both of them deeply flawed.

Bush had a strategy of transforming Islam politically and avenging 9/11. The first could not and will never work to any useful degree. At least with Bush his killing and interrogation programs were in harmony with his flawed strategy.

Barry OTOH kills jihadists hither and yon, but only in what might be called the NGOs of terror. He simultaneously has encouraged and cheered on the thing that almost no one is stupid enough to call "the Arab Spring" anymore, which has effectively installed jihadist governments in several countries previously relatively harmless.

Until the West understands that Islam itself is dangerous and unreformable and inherently expansionist there will never be an effective strategy formed against it. When it is beaten down and repressed it loses its expansionist enthusiasm. When it is tolerated and placated it spreads malignantly.

PaulV

Ig -Arab Winter

Chubby

the big difference between Bush and Obama is that Obama is biased toward secret and covert:

((Behind closed doors, President Obama had given his counterterrorism adviser, John Brennan, carte blanche to run operations in North Africa and the Middle East, provided he didn’t do anything that ended up becoming an exposé in The New York Times and embarrassing the administration. In 2012, a secret war across North Africa was well underway.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2276139/David-Petraeus-CIA-directors-bodyguards-exposed-affair-Paula-Broadwell-claims-Benghazi-The-Definitive-Report.html#ixzz2KWClNlav
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narciso

There are parts of that story, that make sense, like Stevens being cut out, but wouldn't Woods and Doherty have filled him in on the details, indications there were only small fry being nabbed, more likely the taking out of two high profile Libyan AQ, like Abu Yahy (nee Quid) and Atiyah Rehman, was the
proximate cause.

Chubby

Narciso, Cheney made a good point wrt the reason Obama wants Hagel is because he wants a Republican skapegoat.

narciso

Yes, that's true, but Hagel is rather clueless,
that is the real reason, he follows the scripts of Georgian oligarchs and Arabian monarchs a little too closely,

Jack is Back

If OT's Daily Mail linked story at 11:26 is even 80% veracity then when can we expect Joint Congressional hearings on this rogue military operations much like the hounding of Oliver North.

I mean Obama thinks he is some kind of rebirth of Reagan politically, so why not emulate his secret military ops also?

Chubby

((Yes, that's true, but Hagel is rather clueless))

do you think Obama saw him as clueless when he chose him?

Beasts of England

O/T - For the musically inclined JOMers, north Alabama's own The Alabama Shakes are up for Best New Artist at tonight's Grammy Awards. Their lead singer, the eclectic Brittany Howard, will also perform in the tribute to Levon Helm.

narciso

No, they agree, and they both seem to defer to the Solon of Scranton's wisdom, yikes.

Beasts of England

Jane@10:18 - You're damned right! And for that matter, he's not like either of the Presidents Bush.

narciso

From this, it didn't look like they had much to worry about;


http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2013/02/communications_with.php

Jane - Mock the Media!

This is amazing:

EXCLUSIVE: David Petraeus was brought down after betrayal by vengeful CIA agents and his own bodyguards who made sure his affair was exposed, claims new book
Brandon Webb, a former Navy SEAL, and Jack Murphy, a former Green Beret, reveal the new claims in their book 'Benghazi: The Definitive Report'
Petraeus was humiliated after a 'palace coup' by high-level intelligence officers who did not like the way he was running the CIA, authors say
The book also claims that Petraeus and Ambassador Chris Stevens were caught off guard by Benghazi consulate attack because they weren't briefed about on-going U.S. military operations in Libya
Webb and Murphy say Benghazi attack was a retaliation for secret raids authorized by Obama security adviser John Brennan


Read the whole thing. Then impeach the bastard!

Chubby

so Lindsay Graham just told Bob Scheiffer that Obama's nominations will be blocked (a la Biden re Bolton "no confirmation without information") The information the Republicans want:

--who changed the talking points, sending Rice all over the place during the election?

--on the night of the embassy attack, where was Obama and what did he that night? did he even call to inquire about what was going on?

I'd like to know how the hey he could have been talking to Bibi for an hour after he had been told about what was going on in Libya. Shouldn't Libya, instead of campaign matters, have been his all-consuming one and only priority that night?

Chubby

link to the Lindsay Graham video LUN

Jane - Mock the Media!

Chubby,

If you read the link I just posted (above your post) apparently he outsourced all that messy stuff to John Brennan.

Or mebbe it came right after Jane's 1:40 PM.  This is strong medicine.

I despise Lindsey Graham for a variety of reasons, but I despise him less than before after seeing Chubby's 1:55 PM link. I can't believe I clicked on Graham, must be the influence of the esteemed Chubby.

I got 2 bizzy on the tag.

Yikes, ============

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

California Dems unveil anti gun wish list.
Several parts are blatantly unconstitutional under Heller and McDonald, but that archaic document has never stopped them before.

narciso

Brennan one does recall, was opposed to the Libyan intervention, at least initially, I understand the need for secrecy, but who did they go after, this still sounds like a game of telephone,

Then again, it does resemble that part of the Siege, where Bruce Willis having nabbed the Iraqi Sheikh, an odd displacement by Wright,is almost non chalant as the terrorist cell, rampages through New York, except warning the politicians, not to declare martial law

Stephens has friends.

I challenged a propagandist @ Judy's with 'he took a rest, then flew to Vegas' and he shut up for 3 days. It's tabu, alright.
=====================

maryrose

Jane:
Finally the truth is starting to come out. I wonder how Carney proposes to spin this?
This is big. Brennan is definitely not going to be confirmed now. Petraeus was played by Obama the cretin.He was betrayed by his own people.Wow!

narciso

This is longer treatment in the review;

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/the_secret_war_behind_benghazi_mKbP26KAwILn2KKMs8NIWM

It still rings truer then the official account, but still there are troubling
inconsistencies

Jane - Mock the Media!

Maryrose,

I wonder if anyone but us care.

matt

It's just another version of "Blame Bush".

Neo

If correlation is causation ...

Some twenty years ago, I began to notice that every time there was a prediction of a snow storm, if I could go to the supermarket and find an Entenmann's Danish with no nuts that it would be a bad storm.

I blame Global Warming on the fact that Entenmann's stopped making the Danish with no nuts.

maryrose

Jane:
I am simply amazed that these people can be so cavalier about the deaths of 4 brave Americans. I am simply without words.Increasingly it seems that everything that could go wrong did and that no one assumed responsibility to defend and protect our people. These 4 heroes saved lives in spite of their own country failing to protect them.My hope is that,Obama,Hillary,Brennan and Petraeus are permanently scarred by this ineptitude and exercise of politically covering their rear-ends. None should be allowed to prosper. Petraeus had his punishment. Now it is time for the rest of them to face the music. Brennan should not be confirmed. Hillary should be finished ,politically and Obama should be impeached.

anonamom

Bully for Senator Graham.
Too bad he's three and a half months too late.


Jack is Back

anonamom,

Back 3 1/2 months ago, Graham and the repubs in the Senate didn't have 2 important cabinet nominations to hang their hats on. He now has Hagel and Brennan's future as cabinet members and at CIA to get some answers or Obama can ditch them but if he doesn't nominate replacements (who will get the same treatment) then he (Obama) starts to look weak and unravel. No way the MSM can spike this story more than they have.

As they say, "this story has a future".

Can't ya hear the whistle blowing?

Yes, Jack, and a past stretching into Hell.
=============

maryrose

JIB:
Anything that diminishes Obama is fine by me. He was re-elected under false pretenses. The war on terror has not been won. We do not have AlQueda on the run and His lies about Benghazi are being exposed. Good. The guillotine is too good for him. Brennan will continue to squirm. I loved Cheney's remarks. Second string indeed. There are no good dem candidates for Obama to nominate.

Bruce
California Dems unveil anti gun wish list.

Several parts are blatantly unconstitutional under Heller and McDonald, but that archaic document has never stopped them before.

I too thought that the proposed CA gun ban was a bit over the top. #1, at the top of their list, was a ban of all semiautomatic RIFLES with detachable magazines. In other words, they are proposing to ban most semiautomatic rifles developed over the last half century or longer. I think that that would run aground on both Heller and the much older Miller case. And, how do they argue any sort of compelling state interest, whatsoever, when these guns are safer (because of the detachable magazine), and most of the guns used by their gang bangers are hand guns, not rifles. Hard to walk down the street with an AR-15 hidden under your shirt, and not get noticed by the cops. Besides, a lot of the long guns used by these gang members in CA are fully automatic weapons smuggled into this country, along with their drugs.

Then, #2 is a ban on the mere possession of regular capacity magazines that can hold more than 10 bullets. Not as severe as some other bans, but this time it isn't just buying such magazines that is a crime, but also owning them. So, driving to Nevada or Arizona won't help. I am guessing that since semiautomatic rifles are banned in #1, that this is aimed more at pistols. This is one that might survive federal court scrutiny. Maybe.

I do wonder whether they are going to expand their border check points, that are currently agricultural in nature, to cover guns, ammo, and magazines. To easy to just drive to AZ or NV, where the only real federal restriction is purchasing handguns out-of-state, and were gun laws are much more tolerant.

narciso

Ironically, had Vickers not leaked the names to Bigelow and co, maybe he might have made a decent choice,

Jack is Back! (On his iPad)

The problem with Cheney's remark is that we assume the ex-cabinet of Hillary, Panetta and Petraeus were 1st stringers. Exception for Dickhead Dave but not much of one.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Bruce,
I thought #8 particularly preposterous.
The state is going to prevent a spouse or child or parent who is prohibited from owning from living with his family member who might own a gun or compel the family member to give up their constitutional rights?
Perhaps there is a family exclusion which will still run into serious problems in this preeminently cohabiting state.

The reasoning for #5 was also ludicrous.
ALL sales in CA must currently be run through an FFL with a background check so there is no way registration can be used to increase background check efficiency. I suspect it would be found an unconstitutional restriction as well without any compelling state interest other than forcing gun owners submit to an invasion of privacy akin to forcing them to register what political magazines they subscribe to.

Porchlight

Don't forget, it was only afterwards that we learned that 4 Americans died, including an ambassador.

While ObamaHillaryPanetta were having their nonconversations about this nonproblem which they had no information about, and when Obama went to bed that night, the entire staff of the US consulate was at risk of capture, torture and/or death.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Hey Porch,
Was it you who was talking about Portlandia awhile back?
Watched a couple of episodes this morning. Very funny.

Jane - Mock the Media!

Maryrose,

It sounds to me like Petreaus was left out of the loop and set up when he got too close. Brennan was running the show and Obama was campaigning.

I'm not sure I understand the North African offensive and how it fits in. Hopefully someone here will explain it to me.

Rob Crawford

Oh, God, why doesn't anyone tell me about these things? I just found the band "Rock Sugar" -- they "mashup" '80s heavy metal and '80s pop songs. So you get (mostly) the lyrics to Joan Jett's "I Love Rock 'n' Roll" to the music of Def Leppard's "Pour Some Sugar on Me".

AND IT WORKS.

These guys are as musically gifted as "Weird" Al Yankovic.

daddy

Worth mentioning that Bob Schieffer interviewing Lindsey Graham doesn't give a carp about getting to the bottom of this Benghazi mess and finding out facts. The entire thrust of all his questioning is "Will this affect President Obama's ability to have his appointments confirmed?" He cares nothing about anything other than that---how will this affect the President.

Jack is Back

Sorry about that link. Have no idea how that happened.

Will post correct link in. a few.

jimmyk

This is big.

I predict that the MSM response to this will be . . . crickets.

I hope I am wrong. If there is a response it will be primarily to belittle it as though the authors are the foreign policy equivalent of birthers (sorry, TK).

daddy

I predict that the MSM response to this will be...

...that now the Republicans via Sequester are making the President have to cut funding for our Military and Security. This Sequester will increase the likelihood of these disasters happening in the future because of the Republicans, and we will be unable to refuel our Aircraft Carriers because of the Republicans, and our retired Vets will suffer cutbacks because of the Republicans, etc.

Melinda Romanoff on Kindle

daddy-

All they know is Alinsky. And lust for power, can't forget about that.

Extraneus

I am simply amazed that these people can be so cavalier about the deaths of 4 brave Americans.

How many U.S. Military deaths in Afghanistan since Obama became president? 3,000? Do you think any of these lib scum give a damn about those soldiers or their families except in terms of domestic politics?

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

--How many U.S. Military deaths in Afghanistan since Obama became president? 3,000?--

Who knows? We used to get weekly or daily reports on the death toll while W was in office whereas now we get nothing.

narciso

The story still doesn't make sense, even when he was station in Riyadh, he was more of an analyst, little is said of his success there, because there was none, Petraeus and before him, McCrystal ran the local outreach with the tribes.

Cecil Turner (on mini-pad)

Best quote from the Times:

“It is a vast overstatement to suggest that President Obama is channeling President Bush,” said Geoffrey R. Stone, a University of Chicago law professor who hired a young Mr. Obama to lecture there. “On almost every measure, Obama has been more careful, more restrained and more respectful of individual liberties than President Bush was.”
Remember back in the heady days of Candidate Obama, when the President's policies were the worst sort of war crimes? And the fierce moral imperative for change? Yeah, me too. The lack of a substantive difference in most of these policies (and expansion of the most lethal drone attacks) is acceptable, because there may be a modest spin in the right direction? Or maybe because the won has a pained expression on his face when he [refuses to] talks about it?

Horse-puckey. He didn't learn anything. He knew he was spouting dishonest disloyal demagoguery from the get-go, and it was all playing to the leftist propaganda machine in hopes of a few more votes from the misguided muddle. He never had any intention of implementing such nonsense, and anyone who thought differently is a rube.

And finally, we get to the real crux:

“We trust the president,” former Gov. Jennifer Granholm of Michigan said on Current TV. “And if this was Bush, I think that we would all be more up in arms because we wouldn’t trust that he would strike in a very targeted way and try to minimize damage rather than contain collateral damage.”
Aside from the obvious (i.e., he's trustworthy because he lied about it), this demonstrates the logic of the left: it's okay if you're a Democrat. Well, I'll say one thing for 'em . . . at least they're consistent.

daddy

Local stuff if anyone is interested.

1) We can't do anything up here without waiting for Science Reports. Pebble Mine for instance, has to be reviewed by the EPA. Can't drill, can't build a road, can't build a dam, can't log, can't do anything without a Science report. Repub's are anti-Science don't you know. So now our Republican Governor is being attacked because he is using a Science Panel Report that studied Cruise Ship Wastewater, to change Cruise Ship Wastewater Legislation. You can never win with these guys.

2) Our Mayor, who I hope runs against Begich, is proposing Legislation "that would weaken the power of city labor unions."

If approved, the proposal would rewrite city law in a way that takes away the right to strike, curbs pay increases and eliminates raises based solely on longevity or performance bonuses. Unions would not be allowed to seek binding arbitration to resolve contract disputes under the proposal. Those disputes would be decided by the Assembly.

Sullivan proposes law to limit city unions' pay increases, power

The hatred in the comments for the Mayor and the Governor up here is astonishing. To judge by the letters to the editor section of our local paper, I would say that we have already hopelessly gone to the Left.


Jane - Mock the Media!

Love to know how the Bay Staters feel about Stepen Lynch's run for Kery's seat?

Lynch is a pro-life, pro-union, fiscal conservative who voted against Obamacare. He is probably the very best democrat we could elect.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

I wondered what happened to those "grim milestones" that we saw every day from early 2002 until January 2009.

daddy

Listening to Pelosi on Chris Wallace just this instant. She's already damned the Repub's for Sequestration. But just listening to her go on about ObamaCare and Medicare and that our Health Care costs are coming down due to ObamaCare, is just too hard for me to take. She is disconnected from reality. I don't know how anyone can watch these shows without getting nauseous.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

--I think that we would all be more up in arms because we wouldn’t trust that he would strike in a very targeted way and try to minimize damage rather than contain collateral damage.--

Hmm, I'm left wondering if dear Jenny doesn't know what "rather", "contain", "collateral" or maybe all three mean.

Can't wait to see her new show on the new Al Current TV "The Jihad Room with Jennifer Al Granholm", in full burkha of course.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

--How many U.S. Military deaths in Afghanistan since Obama became president? 3,000?--

Total: 2177

Before Obama -- 630

After Obama -- 1547

In last year of W's administration, combined military deaths for Iraq and Afghanistan were 314 and 155 respectively for a total of 469. Then under ElSupremoJefe:

2009 149 and 317 for 466
2010 60 and 499 for 559
2011 54 and 418 for 472
2012 1 and 310 for 311

But you'd never know it from reading the press or listening to TV news.

narciso

Stone, you should know, coedited a texybook with Louis 'we don't need no constitution'
Seidman.

Melinda Romanoff on Kindle

I like that one, "texybooks". Stolen.

Jim Miller

Unintentional humor: Seattle Times columnist Nicole Brodeur has a very positive interview of Al Gore -- but in
it she calls him "one of the country’s biggest dorks".

You don't know how right you are, Nicole.

rse

Thanks JR. And an autopen response too.

It's always traumatic for the families but to believe the Executive does not care and to get so little attention. Yet when a tragedy does happen people who are total strangers seem to want to go out of their way to show respect.

Perhaps it is also to show respect for that essence of America that is slipping away.

Jane - Mock the Media!

She is disconnected from reality

Plus her face doesn't move.

narciso

Well it was a typo, but in his case, it fits,
the ADN practiced 'a random act of journalism' in the piece. This was the piece of legislation promoted by Chip 'the Dude' Thoma, who later went on to harass Piper, because of her lemonade stand,

narciso

Ironically, those ships that had been permitted performed worse;


The vessel Statendam of Holland America -- the same company that pleaded guilty to a criminal charge for a 2002 spill in the Juneau harbor -- met water quality standards for copper and zinc in 11 of 12 samples taken in 2010, the most recent year for which sample data has been posted on the DEC website. The samples were taken over a four-month span during the May to September season.

Read more here: http://www.adn.com/2013/02/09/2783689/science-panel-work-used-as-basis.html#storylink=cpy

BR

Like Kissinger's Plumbers under Nixon, Brennan's Private Force under Obama. Bypassing Pentagon and CIA, uncoordinated, cost lives. And what were/are they really up to?

Good on those two for writing the book.

Rob Crawford

daddy -- for the left, it's only "science" if it supports their pet causes.

Thus, all the studies in the world showing "more guns, less crime" will be ignored in favor of a single poorly-conducted, innumerate study claiming a gun in your home will likely sneak up on you and rape you.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

--Well it was a typo--

Are we sure?
I'm trying to figure out what she might have meant to type instead;
Storks?
Porks?
Dicks?

daddy

To the dogs...

Finding jobs

I think it's always easier to comment on a situation form outside of it. This applies on a personal level, for example among friends, as well as on a national level.

Sometimes a bit of distance gives clarity. At other times, we are so unaware of the nuances of a situation that we won't make the same decisions those in the situation will. This happens to leaders when they change positions.

narciso

No, Texybook, actually Bush was very circumspect, one recalls the outrage when they took out one of the remaining members of the Lackawanna cell in 2002, voiced by Sy Hersh,
at the outset of the Iraq campaign, based on the information of the Rockstars, we struck a number of targets, one of which killed a member of the Dulaimi clan, but that was a rarity,

Jim Miller

Ignatz - From the context, I think she meant "geeks" -- and I am reasonably certain that she doesn't know the difference between dork and geek.

Or didn't. I suspect the commenters have explained things to her by now.

narciso

And one recalls what the same Sy Hersh called the unit that would take down Bin Laden, 'Cheney's death squads'

Jack is Back

Tornado in Hattiesburg, Mississippi. Be safe, y'all.

BR

It's irony that Petraeus was allegedly disliked in the CIA for his focus on paramilitary operations, yet that is exactly what Brennan's Private Force is doing with no congressional oversight and no coordination. We already know Obama is a puppet for Soros and others; so on whose orders is Brennan acting? And for what purpose?

Does the so-called War on Terror give blanket authority to WH staff to initiate operations on foreign soil without Congress' approval or declaration of war?

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

--I suspect the commenters have explained things to her by now.--

Amazingly I only saw a comment or two and even then it was wondering about proofreading.
I demand to know if she thinks Gore is one of the country's biggest dicks, because if she doesn't, she's gotta be the only person who doesn't and is woefully misinformed to boot.

Melinda Romanoff on Kindle

BR-

I'm sure there's an EO out there that covers it.

Melinda Romanoff on Kindle

Burning a ton of Brubeck right now. Working on Time In, specifically. Glad I don't have to buy this stuff nowadays. Yikes!

Melinda Romanoff on Kindle

Ig-

I bet he'd offer her some chakra, if she were any closer.

Jack is Back

I never watch 60 minutes but tonight I have it on because it is the channel that had the golf on. Now I am watching some American survivors from the Algerian Gas Plant attack.

Who is the CBS guy doing the interview? Is that Charlie Rose? What a prick.

narciso

Here's one fiskable fact:


No wonder, then, that the numbers and percentages come to him so easily: 90 million tons of global warming pollution are sent into the atmosphere every day, trapping more heat than 40,000 Hiroshima bombs. Every day.

Jack is Back

Mel,

I assume you have Their Last Time Out?

narciso

He says this happened last year;

Back in 2006, when “An Inconvenient Truth” came out, critics derided the dramatization of the World Trade Center Memorial site being flooded by rainwater.

Chubby

((All they know is Alinsky...))

I wish some clever person would write a "Rules for Republicans" that would reverse everything Alinsky says and include a dedication to God.

narciso

Rove, admits in his memoir, that he used 'Rules for Radicals' as one of his training materials, the principles are amoral, the rub lies in the application,

Chubby

((the rub lies in the application..))

also true about chakras :)

Extraneus


Democrats, Republicans appear no closer to averting massive federal cuts next month

Congressional Democrats and Republicans appeared far apart Sunday on a deal to avert $85 billion in federal spending reductions next month, with a top House Republican saying the cuts appear “inevitable.”

The automatic cuts, known as sequester, kick in March 1 because the parties have failed to agree on a less-drastic plan to cut the federal budget and deficit.

If they're not careful, these nuts might cut almost 8% of the deficit! Why, that'd leave us with only $10T more debt instead of $11T over the next ten years if they don't somehow find a way to borrow more!

BR

If there were an Executive Order by Obama authorizing Brennan's unconstitutional Private Force, it would be secret, not widely distributed, with the ability to be erased from any records if Obama felt threatened by impeachment. If Brennan shows his copy, Obama can say it's a forgery. Brennan next under the bus?

Melinda Romanoff on Kindle

BR-

Mine was pure snark, no basis in reality.

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