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March 23, 2013

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narciso

Not really surprising, guess who's spearheading this;

http://allevents.in/New%20York/NYPD-on-Trial-CCRs-Floyd-v-City-of-New-York/311235515666163

the folks that gave the late Al Shehri and Mr, Bin Qumu, a get of out of jail free card.

narciso

From the previous thread, despite having a fraudulent application, and contact with the 9/11 hijackers, we still can't kick out this fellow;

http://us3rdcircuitcourtofappealsopinions.justia.com/2012/01/11/chehazeh-v-attorney-gen-of-the-u-s/

Danube of Thought

Officer Serrano, protecting and serving.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

--At first, Inspector McCormack can be heard lecturing Officer Serrano about how “99 percent of these people in this community are great, hardworking people” who deserve to go about their days in peace.--

Conversely, 99% of the crime is committed by young male blacks and Hispanics.
It's not enough the TSA stops little old ladies in wheelchairs, now the cops have to as well, lest criminals feel unfairly singled out?

hit and run

TM routinely engages in stop and fisk of “the right people at the right time, the right location.”

MarkO

I wonder if Officer Serrano violated the law by recording the conversation. Let's hope so.

maryrose

Does anyone have any idea what candidates we are running against Pryor,Landrieu, Baucus,and the soon to open as of Tuesday,the Johnson seat in South Dakota?

maryrose

Some people say the New Jersey seat and the Michigan one will stay dem. If Debbie Dingell is running that might be true. How about Christie against Booker? I know, each has an agreement to steer clear of each other.Iowa is supposedly up for grabs. Who do we have that can beat a dem there? Can we ship someone in ala Hillary in New York?How About Jeb? He could buy a corn farm there.

narciso

Sounds like he hears the Law and Order gavel in his mind, Repetto, had an interesting piece about
the dysfunctional nature of the police commission, in the Post, which they seem ready
to repeat.

hit and run

Speaking of Michigan . . . awwww my best friend Jenn says she's not going to try and grab Levin's seat.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Carl hardest hit.

narciso

Their incompetence is across the board;


http://althouse.blogspot.com/2013/03/how-many-corrections-on-that-nyt.html

NeoKong

If Serrano has no idea what McCormack is talking about and clearly wants to betray him then he has no business wearing the uniform.

hit and run

Ig:
Carl hardest hit.

Heh. I'm glad you're picking up what I'm putting down.

jimmyk

Is it my imagination, or is nepotism on the rise? If you look at Michigan's senate race, it's Debbie Dingell, wife of John (he must be 100 years old, but I guess she's quite a bit younger), on the D side, and now Michigan Republicans are turning to ... who else but the Romney offspring. Maybe Ronna would be great, but this is no way to find the best candidate.

There were some Ben Carson rumors, he being a native Detroiter. That would be more interesting, though I think he'd be lowering himself by going into the Senate.

Danube of Thought on iPad

At present, and contrary to its own schedule, CBS is not showing me basketball. It is showing me cartoons.

Clarice

jimmyk, the big media, like the Senate, is becoming more and more like hereditary duchies.There's no other explanation for selection of folks like the Kennedys, Cuomos, Russerts and Brzezinskis.

gmax

Haircut or a scalping? Big depositors looking at 25% taking off the top in Cyprus! Mattress stocks anyone? Sealy, Posturepedic et al. A great gift for the whole family!

Danube of Thought on iPad

"Kennedys, Cuomos, Russerts and Brzezinskis..." and Bayhs, and Bushes, and Wallaces, and Clintons....

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

--It is showing me cartoons.--

I thought Bob Schieffer was on Sunday morning.

narciso

That's why the Renaissance parallel, or more crudely the Houses of Westeros, fit the bill,
the Lannisters in particular.

Threadkiller

Maybe Aldo the drug dog can be trained to signal when the "right people" need to be frisked.

Kathy Kattenburg

I don't know what you think the "gotcha" is here, Tom. You paste in quote after quote, each time saying, Well, look at what the libs ignored! and every single time there's nothing in the quote to refute the point that police officers are being told to stop and frisk young black males, whether they're doing anything suspicious or not.

sailor

We have had a horrific crime down here near where we live--a shooting of a one-year old child by two black teen-agers who asked the white mother for money and when she said she didn't have any, they shot her baby in the stroller. All she was doing was stroll her baby! Terrible.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

No, KK, the question in the article is not the issue of whether stop and frisk is wrongly applied to anyone "suspicious or not". The question is, is it applied disproportionately to black and Hispanic young males.

Do you have information that those two groups are not disproportionately represented in the criminal cohort for the areas in question?

Chubby

((when she said she didn't have any, they shot her baby in the strol))

sailor, I read about that horrible incident this morning. The baby was shot directly in the face.

narciso

And that's not even all of the story;


http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/two-u-s-teens-arrested-after-georgia-baby-fatally-shot-in-head-1.1207223

any one doubt the perpetrators already have long records.

derwill

KK you are being willfully stupid. If the neighborhood is disproportionally black/hispanic, then statistically the majority of the people the police stop and fisk are going to be black/hispanic.

Nevertheless, the libertarian in me is very uncomfortable with giving the police the power to stop and fisk anyone, regardless of their race, without a warrant (provided they aren't observed as being in the act of committing a crime). Are they doing this to people who are just walking down the street or standing on the corner? Seems like a violation of due process to me. Have there been any court challenges?

narciso

Well Inspector McCormack is trying to tell Serrano, use your discretion, but as has been pointed out earlier, he seems either unable or unwilling to do so,

Captain Hate

At present, and contrary to its own schedule, CBS is not showing me basketball. It is showing me cartoons.

I read about that elsewhere. Somebody might be unemployed soon.

hit and run

DoT:
At present, and contrary to its own schedule, CBS is not showing me basketball. It is showing me cartoons.

Is it cartoon Heidi?

Threadkiller

Speaking of playing dumb, what the hell is this?

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/03/when-you-werent-looking-democrat-bank-stooges-launch-bills-to-permit-bailouts-deregulate-derivatives.html

narciso

They seem to have a similar problem overseas;

http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/delhi-police-in-soup-over-nabbed-hizbul-terrorist_837271.html

Danube of Thought on iPad

"whether they're doing anything suspicious or not."

Where does he say that?

Danube of Thought on iPad

I could not get through to leave a message with the louts at Channel 8 San Diego. Probably just as well.

maryrose

H&R:
Your 2:02 post is why you are my favorite!
CH; Channel 19 has the VCU game on.Tru-TV and TNT are later going into the evening.

Danube of Thought on iPad

We can thank the NY Times and the KK's of this world every time an 88-year-old granny or a crippled toddler or a legless veteran gets humiliated by the TSA. But it's all worth it if it preserves their smug air of moral superiority, which is what this is all about anyway.

Go hunting where the ducks are? Heaven forbid!

maryrose

DOT: My 2:16 gives info on the times but for you even later.

Captain Hate

Every time I hear Nantz's voice-over on The Masters commericials I get the idea he's really jealous of Lindsey Vonn.

Captain Hate

DoT, if it's any consolation the VCU/Meechigan game was terrible. VCU found out how Akron felt.

Kathy Kattenburg

"No, KK, the question in the article is not the issue of whether stop and frisk is wrongly applied to anyone "suspicious or not". The question is, is it applied disproportionately to black and Hispanic young males."

Yes, whether engaged in suspicious behavior or not. I don't understand why this point is so difficult to understand. IS STOP AND FRISK BEING APPLIED DISPROPORTIONATELY TO BLACK AND HISPANIC MALES BETWEEN THE AGES OF 19 and 25 REGARDLESS OF BEHAVIOR?

It's really very EASY to understand what this question means.

And as for your 2nd paragraph, okay, I'll state the obvious: If you have a stop and frisk policy that targets one demographic group BECAUSE they fit into that demographic group, then it would tend to work out that that demographic group is highly represented in the court system.

Also, really, really, really easy to understand.

Threadkiller

DoT, I just turned on local 8 and they are talking B-ball.

Kathy Kattenburg

"KK you are being willfully stupid. If the neighborhood is disproportionally black/hispanic, then statistically the majority of the people the police stop and fisk are going to be black/hispanic."

Actually, no, I believe the "willfully stupid" label belongs to you. You left out the age and gender part. The police are not targeting everyone in that community -- just the young black males. And the young black males are being targeted BECAUSE they are young black males, not because they are doing anything wrong.

If there was a rash of burglaries or a serial rapist in an all white neighborhood, would the police stop and frisk every young white male they saw on the street, regardless of behavior? I don't think so.

hit and run

I don't know
...
Posted by: Kathy Kattenburg | March 23, 2013 at 01:24 PM



I don't understand
...
Posted by: Kathy Kattenburg | March 23, 2013 at 02:28 PM



I don't care what anyone else says . . . I believe you.

Threadkiller

Greg Gumbel looks like a caricature of himself. I guess I haven't followed the sport in some time.

Kathy Kattenburg

"Go hunting where the ducks are? Heaven forbid!"

Okay, so are you saying that most of the violent crimes in a black/Hispanic neighborhood are committed by young black or Hispanic males, or are you saying that most of the young black or Hispanic males in black/Hispanic neighborhoods commit violent crimes?

narciso

OTOH, this gesture seems not to have worked out very well;

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/23/attorney-dad-dead-suspect-possibly-linked-to-prison-chief-killing-friends-with/

But this seems to be a pattern with Hickenlooper, doesn't it.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

--IS STOP AND FRISK BEING APPLIED DISPROPORTIONATELY TO BLACK AND HISPANIC MALES BETWEEN THE AGES OF 19 and 25 REGARDLESS OF BEHAVIOR?--

You continue to ask a question that is not addressed in the article. MCCormack in fact points out that people doing nothing or very minor things worng should not be stopped. The issue of whether stop and frisk is good policy or is applied to people doing nothing wrong is NOT an issue this story is concerned with.
The issue is purely, which group of people warrant applying it to.
Again, should they apply it to people who are not among the group that commits crimes?

--If you have a stop and frisk policy that targets one demographic group BECAUSE they fit into that demographic group, then it would tend to work out that that demographic group is highly represented in the court system.--

So I take it your position is that little old ladies really do constitute the majority of gang activity and rove the streets molesting passersby while the police waste their time with innocent young African American student scholars.
If so you're living inside a Monty Python skit.

Threadkiller

I find it quite racist that you would label a neighborhood as Black/Hispanic. Sounds like you are stereotyping.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

--If there was a rash of burglaries or a serial rapist in an all white neighborhood, would the police stop and frisk every young white male they saw on the street, regardless of behavior? I don't think so.--


Do you have information that the police in black neighborhoods stop and frisk every young black male?
Do you have information that young white males, should any appear in the South Bronx, are not stopped and frisked?

narciso

Now this seems to more their bag, since when are private citizens subject to FOIA;

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/obama-epa-illegally-hands-over-info-on-livestock-producers-to-far-left-extremist-groups/

MarkO

The TSA is a creature of insurance defense lawyers who are creating a theater by which on one cannot be blamed for the next airline disaster, should there ever be one. The infamous TSA failures to stop guns and other dangerous materials tell us that their procedures may well work on the law abiding. So long as we have these totalitarian dummies manning the new Checkpoint Charlie, the terrorists have won.

If there is no war on terror, there should be no TSA.

Of course, no one dares say a word at the checkpoint, lest one of these functionaries pull you out (for no legal or justifiable reason) and you miss your plane. So we sheep are shepherded through, holding our tongues and letting our basic civil rights be infringed without so much as an scintilla of probable cause. Even the TSA proposes to permit knives on planes exactly like those used on 9-11. And, (what else in Obama's America?) golf clubs.

This is all done in the name of some indeterminate threat to safety that the authorities refuse to name and decline to address directly. This must end.

DOOM

Manuel Transmission

Chris Kyle:

There’s a story about Chris Kyle: on a cold January morning in 2010, he pulled into a gas station somewhere along Highway 67, south of Dallas. He was driving his supercharged black Ford F350 outfitted with black rims and oversize knobby mudding tires. Kyle had replaced the Ford logo on the grill with a small chrome skull, similar to the Punisher emblem from the Marvel Comics series, and added a riot-ready aftermarket grill guard bearing the words ROAD ARMOR. He had just left the Navy and moved back to Texas.

Two guys approached him with pistols and demanded his money and the keys to his truck. With his hands in the air, he sized up which man seemed most confident with his gun.

Kyle knew what confidence with a gun looked like. He was the deadliest sniper in American history. He had at least 160 confirmed kills by the Pentagon’s count, but by his own count—and the accounts of his Navy SEAL teammates—the number was closer to twice that. In his four tours of duty in Iraq, Kyle earned two Silver Stars and five Bronze Stars with Valor. He survived six IED attacks, three gunshot wounds, two helicopter crashes, and more surgeries than he could remember. He was known among his SEAL brethren as The Legend and to his enemies as al-Shaitan, “the devil.”

He told the robbers that he just needed to reach back into the truck to get the keys. He turned around and reached under his winter coat instead, into his waistband. With his right hand, he grabbed his Colt 1911. He fired two shots under his left armpit, hitting the first man twice in the chest. Then he turned slightly and fired two more times, hitting the second man twice in the chest. Both men fell dead.

As they say, read it all LUN

anonamom

Kathy, the young black males are being targeted because the crimes are being committed by young black males, so the innocent young black males that are frisked ---who will be inconvenienced by this, but nothing more, just like all of us who bear the burden of TSA searches---are simply bearing the burden of ensuring a safer environment for themselves, and their fellow citizens.

RichatUF

The empire strikes back. Finally set up with my new computer. Now I start doing my homework.

Janet

A Reminder....
Tonight is Earth Hour so...you might want to TURN ON all your lights from 8:30 to 9:30 tonight. Celebrate civilization!!!

Here are some party ideas from a Tim Blair post last year (I forget who pointed it out on JOM recently, jimmyk?) -
Food for the event - "The delivery kid won’t have any problems finding your house for once, what with it being lit up like a supernova." and games - "Offer a prize to the attendee who brings a beer from the furthest location on earth," and music - "for retro fun you really can’t go past the Electric Light Orchestra. If you own a teenager, get him or her to assemble a light-themed playlist ("Blinded by the Light”, “Paradise by the Dashboard Light”, “Bridge of Light” and so on) from one of the online music sites they’re always stealing from." Hah! Tim Blair is hilarious.

jimmyk

"Okay, so are you saying that most of the violent crimes in a black/Hispanic neighborhood are committed by young black or Hispanic males, or are you saying that most of the young black or Hispanic males in black/Hispanic neighborhoods commit violent crimes?"

Umm, what do you think, KK? Is it really that hard?

And why are you opposed to helping, in the inspector's words, the “99 percent of these people in this community [who] are great, hardworking people” who deserve to go about their days in peace? Is it because they are black and Hispanic and therefore don't deserve any better?

You see how easy it is to ask stupid and offensive questions?

Clarice

KK is a marvel--how someone can learn to read and write without engaging her brain is really something special.

hit and run

Stop and frisk jimmyk now, or everybody, everywhere in NYC is a racist!!!

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

--KK is a marvel--how someone can learn to read and write without engaging her brain is really something special.

Posted by: Clarice | March 23, 2013 at 03:56 PM--

I believe it's called the autonomic merde-ist system.

RichatUF

I wonder if Officer Serrano violated the law by recording the conversation.

The good people in Timesland would overlook that detail.

And an autocorrect feature I have to turn off.

Kathy Kattenburg

"Kathy, the young black males are being targeted because the crimes are being committed by young black males, so the innocent young black males that are frisked ---who will be inconvenienced by this, but nothing more, just like all of us who bear the burden of TSA searches---are simply bearing the burden of ensuring a safer environment for themselves, and their fellow citizens."

Except that you're only TSA searched because you're going on a plane, not because you're breathing and walking outside in your own neighborhood while in the unfortunate condition of having black skin. No one HAS to travel on a plane.

And again, in white neighborhoods no one would assume that it was acceptable to stop every white male within a certain age range in the name of stopping crime.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Thanks for the Chris Kyle link, MT.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

--And again, in white neighborhoods no one would assume that it was acceptable to stop every white male within a certain age range in the name of stopping crime.--

If young white males committed crimes in the disproportionate numbers young black males do I suspect most people would have no problem with stop and frisk being applied precisely as it is to young black males in neighborhoods presently plagued by their overwhelming rate of crimes.

RichatUF

Janet-

Got my picture set up for Iowahawk's Earth Day Cruise In. For Earth Hour I feel like breaking a few of those goretail light bulbs.

Even the TSA proposes to permit knives on planes exactly like those used on 9-11.

Hasn't the State Department just loosened the restrictions on Saudi students again?

anonamom

They don't stop EVERY black male, do they? Ridiculous.

The single most effective crime prevention tactic that NYC employs is stop and frisk. Has eliminated thousands of illegal hand guns.

You want to stop this, and let them die at the same rate they do in Chicago and Detroit?
Seems racist to me.


Kathy Kattenburg

"Do you have information that the police in black neighborhoods stop and frisk every young black male? Do you have information that young white males, should any appear in the South Bronx, are not stopped and frisked?"

To your first question, young black males are indiscriminately and disproportionately targeted by NYC police for stop and frisk. That does not equate to literally every single young black male in existence in that neighborhood. It doesn't have to be literally every single young black male to be indiscriminate and disproportional.

To your second question, yes I do. My information is having lived for decades in NYC, being reasonably well-informed about my own city, and having common sense. I don't think even you actually believes that all white males between 19 and 25 are subject to a policy of being stopped and frisked by the police in ANY neighborhood.

jimmyk

"And again, in white neighborhoods no one would assume that it was acceptable to stop every white male within a certain age range in the name of stopping crime."

You must have missed the Venn diagram lessons in grade school. If crimes were being committed by white males in a certain age group, then it would make sense that every person who is stopped and searched would be a white male in that age group. That's not the same as stopping every white male in that age group.

The same is true in the South Bronx regarding black males. The statement "All the crime is being committed by black males age 14-21, so everyone we stop fits that description," is not the same as the statement "... so we stop everyone who fits that description."

Math is soo hard.

jimmyk

"I don't think even you actually believes that all white males between 19 and 25 are subject to a policy of being stopped and frisked by the police in ANY neighborhood."

Nor do you believe that all black males between 19 and 25 are subject to a policy of being stopped and frisked. It does make for a nice straw man, though.

Danube of Thought on iPad

"Yes, whether engaged in suspicious behavior or not"

I repeat my question: where does anyone say that?

narciso

Yes, Rich, they have hence making the whole setup totally absurd, as I've noticed before, there seems to be a preponderance upon the names of certain clans from that country, that doesn't mean that every member of the Quahtani (like the 20th hijacker) Uteibi, (like quite a few lads at Gitmo and Ghamdi, like three of the hijackers and the Mosul mess bomber are up to something, but among those who are, it's a high ration,

jimmyk

"Stop and frisk jimmyk now, or everybody, everywhere in NYC is a racist!!!"

It's well known that white males age 30-55 are disproportionately represented among those who possess Kinder Eggs, incandescent light bulbs, and shower heads with the flow restrictors removed. Frisk 'em all!

narciso

So apparently some relatively unknown animated film 'the Croods' beat out 'Olympus,' for first place, and the gag inducing 'Admission' will end up in 5th place,

Danube of Thought on iPad

"Okay, so are you saying that most of the violent crimes in a black/Hispanic neighborhood are committed by young black or Hispanic males, or are you saying that most of the young black or Hispanic males in black/Hispanic neighborhoods commit violent crimes?"

I am not saying either thing, although the former is certainly true. I am saying that young black and Hispanic males are disproportionately more likely to be violent criminals than are old black and Hispanic women, young white and Asian males, young white and Asian females, old black and Hispanic men, old white and Asian females, old--well, surely you get the picture now, don't you?

Stephanie

If your parents hid Easter eggs in the back yard and you noticed as you were searching for those eggs that all of the green eggs had $5 bills in them and all the others had pennies, which eggs would you be going after first and which would you pick up last?

hit and run

DoT:
well, surely you get the picture now, don't you?

Surely you don't really believe she does, do you?

Pops

I recently had a Mexican family break into my summer home at the lake and lived there for the entire school year, since last October.

I was shocked when I found out and called the police. Two officers arrived within 5 hours of the call. One was a Republican, he wanted to arrest the perpetrators for trespassing no matter if that hurts the children and Dad has to go away for awhile. In addition, he thought I should be made whole for the damage they did to the house.
The second officer was obviously a liberal, he accused me of wanting to hurt their kids by kicking them out of the house, because their kids were going to school and enforcing the law would disrupt their lives. And he thought that the Mom and Dad should be offered a 'path to home ownership'...OF MY HOUSE!

hit and run

jimmyk:
It's well known that white males age 30-55 are disproportionately represented among those who possess Kinder Eggs, incandescent light bulbs, and shower heads with the flow restrictors removed. Frisk 'em all!

No Justice, No Peace!

What do we want?

Frisk all white males age 30-55 now!

When do we want it!

Now!

Just now?

And forever!

Amen!

Danube of Thought on iPad

KK has evinced not a shred of compassion for the victmis of these young black and Hispanic males, most of whom are, per officer McCormack, black and Hispanic. It is not in her DNA to do so. Her compassion is reserved entirely for those who claim racial discrimination by the Man, whether the claim--or the discrimination itself--is justified or not.

The species is not uncommon in New York City.

Pops

Whats really racist is all the black and Hispanics that are calling the police and saying they were robbed, attacked, mugged, etc. by a black or Hispanic man, between 16-35.

We know they are obviously lying because they hate minorities.

Pops

I am sure KK sees no difference between their neighbor having a thug rapper party and having an Asian Bible study group.

There is equal risk of something bad going down.

jimmyk

"The species is not uncommon in New York City."

It would be interesting to get the honest opinions of the law-abiding citizens who are victimized by rampant crime as to whether they approve of "stop and frisk," assuming the policy was explained accurately to them and not as kaka would explain it. I suspect it would be heartily approved.

Pops

Come On Crackers, you can do better:

The New York Police Department released new data showing the vast majority of victims and perpetrators of violent crime in the city are black and Latino.

The statistics, which cover crime in 2012 through the end of June, show that 96 percent of all shooting victims and 97 percent of all shooting suspects in the city were black or Latino.

3%? Really? You can do better!!

xbradtc

for a large metro PD, NYPD does a better than average job of respecting civil rights.

"stop and frisk" is actually, "if you have probable cause, stop, question and if further PC, then frisk."

Police must be able to articulate a reasonable cause for stopping someone, and further for frisking them. That they have been given rather wide latitude by the courts to do so is another matter.

Danube of Thought on iPad

"And again, in white neighborhoods no one would assume that it was acceptable to stop every white male within a certain age range in the name of stopping crime."

Au bloody contraire. I live in a white neighborhood. If it were being plagued by crimes committed by young white males, I would absolutely insist that the police subject them to very high scrutiny. Not by stopping, questioning and frequently frisking every single one of them, but by doing so to any who behaved at all suspiciously, those loitering in groups, those making loud noise, and so forth. The entire neighborhood would do the same.

And of course the parents of these white youths would provide the first line of defense, so the need for police action would lessen . Believe me. I know my neighbors.

Danube of Thought on iPad

Thanks, Maryrose. I will be getting stuff on TBS and TNT starting in an hour or so, but the TruTV schedule shows nothing all day.

Captain Hate

So apparently some relatively unknown animated film 'the Croods' beat out 'Olympus,' for first place, and the gag inducing 'Admission' will end up in 5th place,

I'm surprised anybody wants to go see that dreck which should be an insult of the intelligence of an audience.

DoT, I think TruTV only covered the first round games (I refuse to use the NCAA numbnuts' description of the after-playin-games as the "second round") and then fell off the coverage as the number of games decreases.

narciso

A bit behind the mark, but here are some interesting details about the Cyprus situation;

http://theoptimisticconservative.wordpress.com/2013/03/20/cyprus-the-eu-out-of-ideas/

maryrose

DOT:
Sorry about the TruTv mistake. I knew it was one of those "T" networks.Enjoy the games!

narciso

Apparently, their audience was 'more selective' than they initially thought,

Kathy Kattenburg

"It would be interesting to get the honest opinions of the law-abiding citizens who are victimized by rampant crime as to whether they approve of "stop and frisk," assuming the policy was explained accurately to them and not as kaka would explain it. I suspect it would be heartily approved."

Are you serious here? You think the "law-abiding citizens" in black/Hispanic neighborhoods -- which includes the vast majority, including the vast majority of young black males -- aren't already totally aware of the stop and frisk policy? You're suggesting here that the people who live in a neighborhood don't have any clue what's going on around them! "If it was explained accurately to them..." Jesus! Like they're toddlers, or cognitively impaired, or blind, or deaf!

'Ohhhhhh, what? Really, sir? You mean to say that my son/brother/cousin/neighbor is hassled by the police everytime he goes out? My god! Who knew?'

Jack is Back!

Down on Wall St. where the cops stop and fisk white males over 50 for security fraud, running ponzi schemes and stealing Grannie's pension they should also do the same to the Hispanic janitors, the Syrian falafel vendor and the elderly Black men playing chess at Zucotti Park with the OWS tent dwellers.

That's how TSA would do it. And KK.

The white guys over 50 exercising securtiy fraud would love the distraction so they could get on with their activities.

AliceH

Harlem mom fights for stop and frisk

"See, you have to walk in my shoes to understand when I say that stop and frisk is needed," Rowe-Admas said. "Maybe if they would have stopped and frisked those kids who shot my two kids, maybe they would still be alive."
Danube of Thought on iPad

"Are you serious here? "

Assume for the sake of discussion that he's dead serious, and stop evading the issue. We know your point of view very well, and that od the NY Times editorial board (15 white, one black, one Asian and zero Hipanic out of 16 members). We have heard not a single word about the views of the actual victims of black/Hispanic crime. I have yet to hear an acknowledgement from you that such victims even exist, let alone any curiosity about their views. Again, it's not in your DNA.

MarkO

Political correctness was an accessory before the fact to the murder of those two kids as it is a co-conspirator to the civil rights violations of the TSA.

jimmyk

"Are you serious here? You think the "law-abiding citizens" in black/Hispanic neighborhoods -- which includes the vast majority, including the vast majority of young black males -- aren't already totally aware of the stop and frisk policy? You're suggesting here that the people who live in a neighborhood don't have any clue what's going on around them! "If it was explained accurately to them..." Jesus! Like they're toddlers, or cognitively impaired, or blind, or deaf!"

Oh, can it, kaka, with your phony righteous indignation. You presume to speak for these people, and you have no clue how they feel about it. They are victimized by these thugs, and you don't give a damn about them, only about making cheap political points.

And of course answers to polls can be influenced by how the questions are asked. You've already shown yourself as one who plays fast and loose with facts.

Danube of Thought on iPad

If the racial and ethnic makeup of my country club mirrored that of the editorial board of the NY Times, I imagine we would be inundated with discrimination-based lawsuits. Certainly we would forfeit our franchise to hector everyone else on matters of race.

Jack is Back!

OT: At least Kerry won't have to practice his arabic to talk to these guys about the medals he threw over the WH fence. They all speak English and they are Jihadis. BTW they seem to be using weapons DiFi would not appove.

David Cameron is fine with getting rid of them.

xbradtc

As usual, KK skips blithely past "willfully ignorant" and straight to "aggressively stupid."

Thomas Collins

I'll bet you that NYPD is so racist that they take the same attitude toward black males as that notorious white supremacist Rev. Jesse Jackson. See LUN.

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