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Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

I've got nothing to say. Except for that. And that. Hmm

hit and run

Don't go away. Stay here.

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Did anyone ask Obama that since he says he can't move money around to put more resources against the much more needed portions of the Federal Government that maybe he could find volunteers to do some of that work, if it is so important. Has he asked the staff at MSNBC to donate to the government to pay for these programs?

How about we assign one destitute, starving, wheel-chair bound, Holocaust surviving child to each MSNBC host.?

Has he asked Warren Buffett to cough up a Billion to help out?? Has Warren even offered?

How about his 50 Million voters? Surely they could raise billions for this so very important cause. Wouldn't they feel great making big contributions to the Federal budget and they could sneer at the rest of us that just paid our fair share.

Old Lurker

Iggy, are you back from reeducation camp so soon?

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Isn' it amazing that we have a President that tells us for months that armegeddon is upon us if we don't have the feds perofrm these functions and yet the ONLY people he asks to do something are the very people who think the government is too big...the Republicans.

Why won't he ask for more those that believe in a big federal government? Why haven't all these liberals started paying 60% in taxes so they can say...see it doesn't hurt..

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Liberals constantly use the argument that if you don't support abortion, then why don't you support the child.

My answer is, I DO, through WIC, food stamps, welfare, charity, employment, etc.

So liberals, if you support the bloated federal behemoth, lets see some cash out of your pockets!

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

--Iggy, are you back from reeducation camp so soon?

Posted by: Old Lurker | March 02, 2013 at 01:47 PM --

OL,
I figure to be reeducated you have to have been educated in the first place, so I'm immune.

Danube of Thought iPad

John Woodman responds to my inquiry about the "pencil marks" at the right margin of the White House PDF:

"Mark Gillar claims the two marks at the right are pencil marks. I've never found that to be a credible explanation. Stray pencil marks on a piece of paper generally don't appear as small, compact dots or swirls. They generally appear as streaks or lines.

"The far more credible explanation is that those two small marks originated from bits of gunk on the scanner glass. We are told that the document was scanned, and the marks are consistent with that. They are the size, shape and even position of the types of marks that would come from small bits of gunk along the edge of a scanner glass. And such bits of gunk along the edge of a scanner glass are quite common.

"Even if they were pencil marks, there would likely be an innocent explanation for them. For example, the White House scan might have been made after Savannah Guthrie handled and photographed the original."

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Hey,

We've survived the first day of Sequester here in our bunker under the porch...any news from the outside world?

We plan to venture out tomorrow and forage the fields for bits of food and hopefully some water.

The children are doing fine, they act like nothings happened. I see cars going by on the road and I think, those poor souls, already panicking.

If you don't hear from me, save yourselves...

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

God help me for poking even one molecule of my nose into this but my experience with scanners is that bits of gunk make white spots on scans not black ones.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

I'm assuming "." is pops going fully anonymous during the sequester apocalypse.
Hang in there ".".
No zombies spotted yet.

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Somehting you won't hear in a government office:

Alright, due to sequester, we are cutting 20% of our TSA agents, we will evaluate your performance over the next two weeks and the personnel who do the best job of ensuring security while moving travellers through as quickly as possible in a friendly, cooperative manner will keep their jobs.

What you will hear:

The unon says we need to slow things down so the public gets upset and forces Congress to baorrow more money, so slow the lines down, and for heavens sake, I better not see so many people out working the line, hide in the breakroom for cripes sake.

Sue

On Ben Ferguson's radio show he likened the sequester cuts to an individual who had received a 20% pay cut saying he didn't have enough money to pay his mortgage but continued to pay for the platinum satellite channels and bought a new car because he had already budgeted for it.

Old Lurker

Here's my funny story for the day, ending with a question about how much truth we tell our kids.

Now all who know me assume that I have a significant OCD streak that among other things makes me a neat desk guy and hyper-organized. Guilty I am sure.

But my one dirty little secret has been how I managed to stay neat and organized. The answer is that since college in the sixties I have saved all my papers in those legal sized 24" file boxes. Every scrap. Now to stay organized, all those papers were carefully sorted before boxing into expandable folders by subject, and those subjects and dates were recorded on the outside of the box. Got the picture?

Well, one downside of living in the house my wife and I built when we got married is that I have not had to deal with these boxes...just each year I would assign the current boxes to the garage attic so I could start fresh with new boxes for the current year.

At a lunch recently with my long time lawyer, my long time CPA, and my long time Insurance Broker I made the mistake of mentioning my personal filing system to them and they went beserk telling me how much trouble I would be in if I were audited or sued and had access to all that paper from 45 years.

Armed with their pretty short "keep-it-list" and a longer "shred-it-YESTERDAY-list", I climbed into the attic and found more than 60 such boxes.

That was two weeks ago.

Now 55 boxes are stacked awaiting the shredder truck Monday, 5 boxes have been been sanitized and replaced in the attic, and five have been brought back into my office and placed in my new 3 & 7 year hold then shred by date cabinets.

Here's is my question:

You all know I have been a task master raising my daughters and have badgered them endlessly to excel academically.

Having come across the file with all my report cards from grade school through grad school and also all my SAT scores and the like, I confess that I had forgotten just how closely I looked for that Gentlemens' C and how often I undershot even that mark.

Does that box go on the shredder pile or back into the attic?

Chubby

((he likened the sequester cuts to an individual who had received a 20% pay cut ))

it's acturally and 20% pay cut off the 60 or so per cent raise he was going to get.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Except it's much less than 20%.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

--Does that box go on the shredder pile or back into the attic?

Posted by: Old Lurker | March 02, 2013 at 02:13 PM--

If you love your kids you'll keep it and give them a good laugh when you're gone.
They'll probably frame them.
Presumably you won't care by then.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

BTW, OL, I have a similar filing system, but have always figured that short of a search warrant, which is something one only need worry about in a criminal case, I can pretty much pick and choose what is presented.
Can't tell you how many times I've tossed something I couldn't possibly have needed and then did. Once it's gone it's gone and if they ever do close in on you, you can always climb up in the attic with a can of gas and a match and do the Jimmy Cagney "Made it Ma! Top of the world!" bit from White Heat.
Really give the daughters something to remember. :)

Chubby

((Does that box go on the shredder pile or back into the attic?
))

BACK IN THE ATTIC, or at the very least, scanned.

those are the kinds of relics that family histories are made of

Clarice

I bought the shredder, OL and still haven't gotten round to it..I have bursting to the gills file cabinets in our office and an attic full of more of the same. Hward I'm sure won't want to part with a single piece of paper and my experience is that the minute I throw something out it turns out I need it. I might end up on one of those hoarder shows.

hit and run

It's too bad JMH isn't around. I'm curious what she ever did with her Libby files.

Jack is Back

We have two shredders. One for Mrs. JiB and one for me (that I never use:). But she does quite a bit only after she has scanned everything and filed it digitally.

We have a retired doctor in our community who stays busy reviewing old medical files for local medicos and then after determining they are no longer necessary (duplicates, irrelevant, etc.) he packs them up for professional shredding by a company that comes by once a week. So, Mrs. JiB is now giving him all her voluminous things and he puts them in with the medical records and voila - more time to do scanning:)

Danube of Thought iPad

"bits of gunk make white spots on scans not black ones"

On my machine a bit of gunk comes out on the san in the color of the gunk. (I just conducted the experiment.)

Jack is Back

Wait til Biden finds out what BHO has done now:)

Pardons Guy in Prison for Gun Crimes

/Wonder if it was a shotgun?

Old Lurker

Glad to hear I am not alone.

I will keep my old grades. Maybe I will place that old adage about "A students work for companies run by B students which companies are owned by the C students"...on the top of the box.

Iggy I started the system for the same reason you probably did...thinking one day my crazy sister would sue me for something.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Ilya Shapiro at Cato makes the spurious case that homosexual "couples" should have the right to marry under the equal protection clause. Couples of course, under the logic that extends marriage as a civil right to homosexuals, have no more right to marriage than groups of three or more.
The state and the people have no more right to the supposedly arbitrary definition of marriage as pertaining solely to heterosexuality as it does to couples.
The article contains this deliciously preposterous line;

The framers of the Fourteenth Amendment understood marriage to be a personal, individual right that, when established by a state, must be made available on an equal basis to all.

I imagine the framers of the 14th amendment would be a bit surprised to learn just exactly what it is they understood their amendment was establishing according to this dope.

It remains an open question to me, if this logic is followed, by what power the state can limit marriage to unions between persons cohabiting or between persons at all. If a person wishes to marry his platonic roommate or a piece of his own property, such as his inflatable doll or Capuchin monkey, by what power does the state limit his right to marry and deny him equal protection?
If the state or the people no longer have the power to define marriage then it is hard to see any limitations.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

--Iggy I started the system for the same reason you probably did...thinking one day my crazy sister would sue me for something.

Posted by: Old Lurker | March 02, 2013 at 03:07 PM--

Persactly.

maryrose

OL; Keep all the grades. I have all of mine and my husband's and they are a hoot!
clarice:
I watched a few Hoarder shows and immediately went to the attic and the basement and started pitching things.

(A) nuther Bub

Doesn't it appear to be part of the Grand Scheme of Things that every hoarder marries a tosser and thereby both are doomed to a life of grief? I think it's worse than a conservative-liberal hook up, as far as personal torment goes. But perhaps it's nature's way of ensuring that not too many hoarders die young as their stored goods crush them. Mister is a hoarder -- still has every dance program from high school and college, every photo he's taken in a lifetime including those of his nostrils when the camera misfired, and a quadrillion other things he can't bear to part with. I, on the other hand, throw everything out before the ink on the paper is dry. So naturally we fell madly in love, married, and have lived out our days in a tight-lipped tolerance that only occasionally evolves into outright warfare.

With that disclaimer, Old Lurker, my suggestion is that you shred all the contents of those boxes, not only to keep the IRS from hiring a hundred more agents to examine your records, but with your heirs in mind. I've tried to explain to my husband the dilemma our progeny will have, when they have to spend weeks or months going through our junk -- not having anywhere to keep a mountain of mementos, or wanting to, but feeling guilty about throwing our precious stuff away. We must think of the children!

Jane - Mock the Media!

Does anyone have an objection to taking marriage out of government and leave it solely with the church?

maryrose

From the other thread:
I am curious, Are Clinton and Obama the only US Presidents that come from highly dysfunctional families? I ask this because their behavior and narcissism has its roots in their upbringing.Clinton saw men treating his mother badly. Is that why he treats women badly? Hussein doesn't know much about his parentage,and his mother slept around a lot. Is that why he can't take criticism and is an Alinskyite nutjob?

maryrose

Jane:
I don't but some people get married at City Hall.Some people don't affiliate with a church and want a ceremony that is secular. I don't care if gays marry or get benefits. Young people have no problem with that.

Clarice

Another...The bane of my existence is those antique road shows. when I tried to give away my son's junior high school T shirts he insisted I had to stop--that they were "collectors' items

sbw

OL: Does that box go on the shredder pile or back into the attic?

In the attic.

Tell your kids they are lucky their parents were better than yours; your parents didn't explain clearly to you what was important and why.

Then sit back, laughing on the inside.

maryrose

Another Bub:
My mom passed away in 2002. She had receipts dated from 1980. We did pitch those. It took us weeks to go through the stuff and finally my b-i-l was the one yelling"Throw it out" as we stood by indecisively.My husband's family was worse. It took 2 years to finally finish it. We had to take breaks to keep from getting discouraged.
We moved my son out of his apartment this week-end and finaly got my husband's work van cleared out.one situation helped the other.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

-Does anyone have an objection to taking marriage out of government and leave it solely with the church?

Posted by: Jane - Mock the Media! | March 02, 2013 at 03:25 PM--

Theoretically no, but since it is considered a binding legal contract, not just a church sponsored joining of two people, what legal rights would accrue to a spouse were it dissolved or regarding the matter of heir-ship for children and spouses, not to mention the legal rights of parents over their children?
For those rights to be recognized seems to me the contract must be recognized as a legal one which necessarily involves the state.

maryrose

To my husband everything is a collector's item. I have to wait to the last minute before the garbage collectors come to throw out anything he might deem valuable.
clarice: some of those T-shirts may be vintage if they are from the 70"s or 80's.

sbw

Clarice: my son's junior high school T shirts he insisted I had to stop--that they were "collectors' items

I, too, have space for old t-shirts, old cheap beach towels, and other pointless riffraff no one else saves. What keeps me from being a hoarder is that they are organized and sorted.

Chubby

((Does anyone have an objection to taking marriage out of government and leave it solely with the church?))

I do because I see the inculcation of marriage as a decided benefit to the state, and therefore the state has a decided interest in it. And I don't particularly want to see Mormons reinstitute polygamy, which I don't think is the optimal situation for raising children. In the Bible, brothers and sisters in polygamous families often were at odds with each other, and it caused a whole lot of trouble.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

--On my machine a bit of gunk comes out on the san in the color of the gunk. (I just conducted the experiment.)

Posted by: Danube of Thought iPad | March 02, 2013 at 02:44 PM--

Can we then presume you've been in on the whole thing from the start?

Chubby

yes, children in non-polygamous families often fight as well, but I think it's worse in polygamous situations.

maryrose

sbw:
Don't kid yourself- they are still taking up space and not being used.
I actually started wearing all sorts of mismatched clothes to see if I still wanted to keep them. Pretty soon they ended up donated.

Chubby

in polygamous situations, the wives fight among each other as well.

Chubby

civil right are individual rights, to read a newspaper, to voice an opinion, to attend church, no one needs anyone else to do any of those things, and no contract necessary. the civil right of marriage would be quite different from that, needing both a partner and contract exercise the right.

Janet

Nobody is banned from getting married...but marriage IS a defined word. One man & one woman. If Steve wants to live with John & he loves John, fine....but they can't be married because marriage is between one man & one woman.
This isn't about equality...because anyone can marry. This is about redefining marriage.

Can we redefine senior so I can get senior discounts? How bout juvenile? The next time I rob the 7-11 can I be charged as a juvenile? How bout ethnic perks?...Let's redefine African-American & maybe I can get some Pigford money. Homeowners get tax breaks...how bout we redefine homeowner.

Old Lurker

OK I am saving the grades...I chalk it up to grade inflation, right rse?

Chubby

excellent points Janet.

while we're at it, let's redefine criminal to mean Republican and president to mean king.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Grade inflation. Yeah, that's the ticket OL.

Chubby

when marriage is a civil right, I hope spinsters and bachelors start to demand that the state provide suitable partners so they can exercise their right to marry. It's an equality issue; a woman or man without a marriage partner is not equal to a woman or man with a marriage parther.

Sue

I made a quilt out of my daughter' s Sherlock t-shirts. Pretty awesome looking if I do say so myself.

Old Lurker

Our school really did grade hard, Jim!

Threadkiller

Woodman proves the theory to be incorrect with his best "guess". How long would he last during voir dire?

If I understand this correctly, there were smudges on the scanner deck, first assuming that a flatbed scanner(the type of scanner has not been determined that I know of) was used, so they took the time to create a clipping mask to hide the smudge, instead of cleaning the scanner.

If the document was altered by the smudges, why didn't they scan the second document that was brought back to DC by Obama's lawyers?

Janet

Your posts the other evening were really good too, Chubby. As traditional families become a thing of the past our entire country is gonna suffer. The "village" doesn't really want to take care of your kids or your elderly parents. The left likes to pontificate on caring...but they rarely DO anything themselves. They're the ultimate "someone should" party...someone is never THEM.

marlene on Kindle

We arrived in Florida yesterday.The temps are just like Maine! So good to be here after the long drive.

rse

My mom's sil passed away and helpful neighbors helped clean out the frig unaware that she kept lovely family heirloom jewelry in the freezer.

Yeah. I would hold on to those grades too. I asked my hubby to keep his philosophy that anyone making straight A's was missing out on life to himself when kids were young. Or that it's fun to miss the midterm because you are skydiving and see if you can still pass course.

I think he was trying to set a Yellow Jacket record for least classes attended. The sad part was his parents thought he was struggling in his classes.

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Getting dark here...can't pick up anything on the Sequester on the CB radio. Hope to make it through the night.

Kids are asking if they will have to eat the dog like Obama did....a question I was hoping to avoid.

(A) nuther Bub

-Does anyone have an objection to taking marriage out of government and leave it solely with the church?

I think that would be the less harmful resolution in choosing between the two options remaining: state-sanctioned homosexual marriage vs. removing marriage from all government oversight and law, and retaining it as a religious rite only. Sad as the latter would be -- there are important legal rights and obligations that further a civil society via legal marriage -- it would be preferable to what is far more likely to happen.

Once the state's imprimatur is given to gay marriage -- as it almost certainly will be soon -- there's no rational foundation for denying any sort of "marriage," as Iggy points out, whether it's to your brother, your roommate pal, your three best friends, or your beloved pet guppy. It may take a few decades, but finally marriage will become meaningless and mockable, a quaint ritual that only a few of the unhip insist on continuing.

maryrose

rse:
I used to tell my students when they received their first progress report and were used to getting all A's that " Now you are a real person and can empathize with your friends."

Captain Hate

Clinton saw men treating his mother badly. Is that why he treats women badly? Hussein doesn't know much about his parentage,and his mother slept around a lot. Is that why he can't take criticism and is an Alinskyite nutjob?

Since neither of them place a high value on telling the truth and like to present themselves in a very favorable light, I've never been sure what to believe about their backgrounds. I'd say that the JEF being deserted by both parents has led to behavior that an intelligent electorate should want no part of at any level of government.

Threadkiller

Here is the policy for The National Archive:

"All equipment surfaces must be clean and dry before being used with records."

http://www.archives.gov/research/order/scanning.html

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Our school really did grade hard, Jim!

I don't doubt it, OL. I'll never forget my first grade on a sophomore physics exam. A 4 (yes out of 100). It got curved to a D-. Seeing the handwriting on the wall, I immediately "withdrew passing" never to take physics again.

My dad, a ME who had graduated second in his class from the same school and later earned a MME from MIT with high honors, was not amused. Thankfully, he didn't yank me out of school, though.

narciso

Ah the poisonous Froad Pinette, reveals itself yet again,

hit and run

Well, good. BigFurHat liked my Obama vid.

Old Lurker

And that's you are a lawyer and I am a finance guy, Jim.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Yep, OL. And I am now pretty sure that subconsciously, I wasn't interested in the fool's errand of competing with my dad who had reached the pinnacle in his field.

Clarice

Good, hit. Lately you are spending so much time being a real human being, it's affecting your creative output.

Clarice

mayrose, they are--I am begging you ever to mention that to my family members.

Danube of Thought iPad

"Woodman proves the theory to be incorrect with his best 'guess.'"

Tell me what the theory is.

What about the possibility that the mark simply got onto the document after Guthrie photographed and handled it? If she photographed the PDF, how is her picture of much higher resolution than the PDF? Why do you assume that the staffer who scanned the document was aware of the smudges?


They didn't "take the time" to create the border around the clipping mask. That mask is created automatically by the software that optimizes the document.. Why do you conclude that it was placed there to hide the mark, when the forger would have known that it could be removed at the click of a mouse?

What information on the PDF differs from that on the Guthrie photo graph?

The White House staff has no more to do with the National Archives than I do.

Woodman would do far, far better on voir dire than Arpaio or anyone on his team, believe me. Do you consider it appropriate for Arpaio to include on his investigative team a man who, at the time he was brought aboard, had a substantial financial interest in having the team conclude it was a forgery? Did he include, or interview, anyone with a contrary viewpoint? ( Imagine the voir dire.)

Porchlight

Agree with (A)B's 4:25 but I do think the state has a vested interest in marriage if for no other reason than because it must protect property rights and those are intricately bound up with marriage. If we took the state out of marriage, then there would be no credible way to protect first wives' rights in cases of bigamist husbands, etc.

Thomas Collins

Any experts on Canon Law at JOM? If so, would you care to comment on whether the LUNed article is an accurate summary of the election procedures for the upcoming Papal election, and of the requirements regarding who may be elected Pope?

Jane - Mock the Media!

but they can't be married because marriage is between one man & one woman

Isn't the problem that it's not defined that way by the government?

Having never been married, I've never been quite clear on why you guys deserve tax breaks I don't get. So it seems to me the government should get out -and then they will not have any right to re-define anything.

AB,

WE may have had gay marriage in MA the longest of any state I think - probably more than 10 years by now. There has been no legal battle, that I've heard of, asking the state to extend marriage to any other iteration of people. Right now MA is all about giving more rights to transexuals and taking them away from non-transexuals. (Transexuals can use whatever bathroom makes them comfortable, but it is against the rules for a non-transexual to be uncomfortable.) So it may just be a matter of time.

hit and run

Clarice:
Lately you are spending so much time being a real human being, it's affecting your creative output.

Cybot trolling ain't easy. ;)

(A) nuther Bub

I fully agree, Porch. But to keep marriage state-sanctioned will be to accept that the new definition(s) of marriage also fall under the purview of the state.

Which means it will all fall apart in time, anyway, as the institution loses all meaning. Doom.

Thomas Collins

Jane, the tax stuff is complicated. Certain spouse combinations end up with higher taxes than the aggregate of the two when each had single filing status. I haven't done the numbers in awhile, but when I last looked at it, a spouse with high income and one with little or no income typically did better after being married, but two high earners tying the knot may knot themselves into paying more to Uncle Sam.

(A) nuther Bub

Do you see any relationship, Jane, between marriage for gays and "rights" for transsexuals?

Porchlight

Which means it will all fall apart in time, anyway, as the institution loses all meaning. Doom.

Yes. That is what is happening in Europe. Europe has relatively low divorce rates compared to the US, but it also has much, much lower marriage rates. Meaning the only couples who bother to get married in the first place are the ones most likely to stay married.

It has become an antiquated institution, which is what one would expect to see as it becomes slowly disengaged over time from its primary purpose which is raising children.

Danube of Thought iPad

Clipping *path*

Threadkiller

Isn't Woodman selling a book too?

Danube of Thought iPad

Woodman investigated, memorialized his inquiries, and published the results. Corsi published his results, offered them for sale, then joined an "independent" investigative team. That fact does not constitute a challenge to his results; it constitutes an unanswered challenge to the independence of the investigation.

Let's just take them oneat a time: how does Arpaio account for the fact that the AP image and the Guthrie photograph are of much higher resolution than the White House PDF?

Threadkiller

" how does Arpaio account for the fact that the AP image and the Guthrie photograph are of much higher resolution than the White House PDF?"

I don't know.

I am still stuck on the man-made clipping mask that you say happened automatically from a completely separate process called optimizing.

Forgive me, DoT, if you explained this with sourcing. I just busted the 102 mark again. I feel like shit.

If you have a link that explains my very, very narrow concern, I will gladly read it.

Danube of Thought iPad

Do you contend that the forger created a clipping path so as to hide two immaterial marks, knowing that the various layers, including the clipping mask, could readily be identified with commonly available software?

If the forger did so, he could then easily have created--and published--a "flat" document with no layers at all, including the clipping path. Did he simply forget to do this? Or, notwithstanding that he had the graphic artist's skill to create a forgery that Arpaio's team cannot duplicate, simply lacked the skill to create the flat document?

About that high-resolution photograph...

Extraneus

I am now pretty sure that subconsciously, I wasn't interested in the fool's errand of competing with my dad who had reached the pinnacle in his field.

I find this heartbreaking. What can be done about it? My son, who recieved an 800 out of 800 in the 5th grade math ELA, is now failing math as a sophomore in high school. He does well in all other subjects, and I think Jim's comment is the reason why: because I was a math whiz in the ancient past. But I know for sure that I wouldn't have received that score in 5th grade!

As I say, it's truly heartbreaking.

boris

"Isn't the problem that it's not defined that way by the government?"

Pursuit of happiness isn't defined either.
Suppose a hundred years ago someone said "maybe we should define the word marriage" does anyone seriously think it would have been something other than one man one woman? Let's not pretend it was actually undefined all this time.

IMO government is supposed to express the will of the people rather than rule them. The people apparently believe (based on literature religion etc) that being raised by their natural parents is what children want and what is best for them. Maybe that's not as true as it used to be, but there's not much question that has been what people in this culture generally believe.

To me that is a perfectly rational reason why people have given traditional marriage a special status.

Jane - Mock the Media!

Do you see any relationship, Jane, between marriage for gays and "rights" for transsexuals?

AB,

I don't, but it's all part of this new "rights" spectrum - which angers the hell out of me. Now I see ads on TV that say: "You have the right to not have pimples". I'm constantly screaming: "That's not a right you moron."

I'm not exactly sure who transexuals want to marry, and if it is an issue, but be clear, if its an issue, a law will be passed in MA to out their status above mine.


TC, At some point there was a tax break for married people to encourage marriage. Now the welfare payments for discouraging marriage are much more lucrative. The whole system is a ruse.

Jane - Mock the Media!

PUT not out - sheesh

Chubby

((Isn't the problem that it's not defined that way by the government?))

it is in the DOMA, and what is happening now is agitation to remove the portion of the act that defines marriage in the USA as being between one man and one woman.

Threadkiller

So, no explanation.

jimmyk

Having never been married, I've never been quite clear on why you guys deserve tax breaks I don't get.

There's a tax break? As TC pointed out, if both spouses work, it's a penalty. So if anything the tax system favors one spouse staying home, which maybe isn't a bad thing, but that's what it is.

I don't see how it can be left to the church. What's a "church" anyway? I suppose this comes up in other contexts, but if some "church" decides that incest is ok, then what?

More to the point, a valid role of government is the enforcement of contracts. There are also issues with things like rules for adoption. Still, it should be states that do this based on the will of the people, not the feds, and certainly not the federal courts. And it should mainly serve the interests of children.

Jane - Mock the Media!

it is in the DOMA

The government giveth and the government take it away.

Captain Hate

If the JEF has dispatched the feckless Stedman to fight for homo marriage, that should be a clear signal that it's not being done to make people happy in a way that's beneficial to the country.

Danube of Thought iPad

"So, no explanation."

For what?

You have said that the explanation that makes sense is that the Guthrie photograph is of a post-clipping-mask file. When asked how such a photograph can possibly be of higher resolution than the document whose photo was taken, you go silent. You don't even appear to be curious, even though without an explanation your theory is disproved.

Captain Hate

Again let me state that I don't have any problem with states' conferring a partnership type of category for contractual purposes. Btw I have a friend who had a lesbian wedding in Mass, then things went south when the spouse was acting like a financial idiot by spending all their money and then some, and is now in a world of hurt credit wise and is in a state where she can't get a divorce. Fun fun fun...

Manuel Transmission

Jim R, my dad who had reached the pinnacle in his field.

If I may ask, what did your dad achieve in his career that built on that remarkable starting point? I've always been intrigued with the trajectory that different people's careers have taken in the techno-world.

Chubby

((The government giveth and the government take it away.))

so your comment that perhaps it is because government has never defined marriage is answered

Danube of Thought iPad

If there already existed a separate, detailed and much cleaner image of the certificate, why would the forger have felt the need to create, by hand, a PDF in which every single detail was identical to that of the pre-existing image?

In fact, there are two such images: the Guthrie photograph and the AP image. How does one account for those two images?

Threadkiller

I am confused, and on the way to the ER. My wife heard crackles in my lungs.

Are you saying the fact that the image is "high resolution" explains the man made mask? I really don't understand.

Jane - Mock the Media!

so your comment that perhaps it is because government has never defined marriage is answered

I'm not sure what that means, but I sure would anticipate heartbreak if I relied on government definitions. Eric Holder has made that a joke.

Jimmy, I'm quite sure I am dating myself. I'm pretty sure it was that way at some point.

Capn' The divorce thing might drag the feds into that issue, which I think is a huge mistake. Not to be outdone, the first murder trial a lesbian killing her wife has started in North Hampton this week.

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