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NK

TomM-- your readers are Gobsmacked by this post-- they have no idea what to say. Are you well?

glasater on iPhone

I've photographed evidence of the Missoula floods in our part of the state for a few years now and it's amazingly interesting. Am on a shoot right now but hope to provide some evidence later :)

George Ditter

In Sunday School they always taught us that the Great Flood was a punishment for sin (a similar fate, but different mechanism, awaited post-Flood funseekers in the Towns of Sodom and Gomorrah) and not a response to post-subsistence farming industrial society. On the other hand, the Rainbow was a sign of the covenant not to destroy the Earth by a Flood again.

peter

I have a good friend who lives in Missoula. I wondered where such an odd name came from. Per wikipedia,

he name "Missoula" comes from the Salish name for the Clark Fork River, "nmesuletk", which roughly translates to "place of frozen water"

maryrose

TM;
What a fascinating history lesson.I always enjoy learning something new like this information about the great flood out west.I would love to visit Missoula,Montana and Idaho.

lyle

Old Testament, huh? Then I'd like to start my very own "Jawbone of an Ass" award to all the climate scammers.

Jack is Back

I happen to know Missoula and its great little piece of the wild west from my University days - did summer work there and in Lincoln - setting tongs on a logging spread. In Missoula, on the main drag, there is a national treasure called the Oxford Cafe, where for breakfast (all-day) they serve "calves brains and scrambled eggs". Don't think you'll see Guy Fiere there for Diners, Dives and Drive-In's though. Toward the back are the poker tables.

You go in early in the morning and you'll meet the men who work the green chain (Iggy will explain) down at the mill. You don't mess with Texas and you certainly don't mess with a guy who has the job on the green chain. Most of their breakfast consists of steak and eggs and boilermakers, but mostly boilermakers:)

Further down the street is the main rail depot and station. Across from it used to be the seedy Park Hotel and down from that the Double-Front bar because you could come in on either street it faced. If you were uncomfortable defending yourself with your fists then it was not the place you wanted to hang out.

Tough damn little town on the Clark Fork where some pretty nice brownies can be caught.

Jack is Back

Ah, ha. The left has now come up with the theory that McConnell taped himself and released it to show the Tea Party how the Left is so scared of him that they would stoop to such thug tactics. In this way, he avoids or diminishes an attack from the Tea Party.

Nixonian? More like Clintonesque

Melinda Romanoff on Kindle

Daily Mail carried this story with multiple sites of civilization and how they moved as the Sea of Galilli filled.(sp?)

Melinda Romanoff on Kindle

And that one works. WTF?

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Green chain = conveyor system that fed dimensional lumber to guys to sort.
Usually done by machine now in most big mills.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Many geologists think there was a series of many Missoula floods every fifty or so years as the ice dam failed and reformed over and over.

matt

The history of flooding is written on mountainsides and valleys all over the world.Just look at the alluvial flood plains and you can start figuring it out. I think that somewhere in the geology 101 course guide.

The Gilgamesh epic is tied to the Noah epic is tied, I believe to the Greek epic written by Pindar in the 5th Century B.C. is tied to the Vedic myths in India. When the same narrative crosses so many cultures and there is real, credible evidence it ain't a myth anymore.

China has their own legends.

So with all of this knowledge of Jurassic and Cretaceous and Paleolithic and all sorts of other periods, they really don't want to admit what they don't know, and the hell of it is that they say it with such conviction.

The land bridges 10,000 - 15,000 years ago might be a hint. And these charlatans want us to believe that a change of inches or even feet in sea level will be completely catastrophic for human existence. I'll still bet on Noah, especially with the current state of humanity.

daddy

Global Warming Update update:

The story I linked this morning about Conoco/Philips canceling their drilling efforts in the Chukchi for 2013/2014, due to uncertainties of evolving federal regulatory requirements, has been updated.

Sounding as if they have an EPA gun to their foreheads they have now issued this clarification: "We welcome the opportunity to work with the federal government and other leaseholders to further define and clarify the requirements for drilling offshore Alaska," Johansen said. "Once those requirements are understood, we will re-evaluate our Chukchi Sea drilling plans. We believe this is a reasonable and responsible approach given the huge investments required to operate offshore in the Arctic."

Lisa Murkowski chips in saying this is disappointing but not unexpected at all.

"We welcome the opportunity to work with the federal government and other leaseholders to further define and clarify the requirements for drilling offshore Alaska," Johansen said. "Once those requirements are understood, we will re-evaluate our Chukchi Sea drilling plans. We believe this is a reasonable and responsible approach given the huge investments required to operate offshore in the Arctic."

Tom Maguire
TomM-- your readers are Gobsmacked by this post...

It does have a certain 'nine days late' feel, but Noah may have been the McCoy - Science Says So!

daddy

Oops sorry, Here was Lisa M's sensible quote:

"Companies can't be expected to invest billions of dollars without some assurance that federal regulators are not going to change the rules on them almost continuously," she said in a prepared statement. "The administration has created an unacceptable level of uncertainty when it comes to the rules for offshore exploration that must be fixed if we're going to end our dependence on oil from the Middle East."

No comment yet from Mark begich.

daddy

Just for some nice to know info, The Norwegians, who are always pointed to by the Left as the sensible example of Scandinavians running their country proper, apparently do all their Oil Drilling offshore. That was mentioned on a local Talk show yesterday, and googling I find this story:

Norway, the largest holder of natural gas and oil reserves in Europe, provides much of the oil and gas consumed on the continent. In fact, Norway was the second largest exporter of natural gas in the world after Russia, and the seventh largest exporter of oil.

Norway had 5.32 billion barrels of proven oil reserves as of January 1, 2012, the largest oil reserves in Western Europe. All of Norway's oil reserves are located offshore on the Norwegian Continental Shelf (NCS), which is divided into three sections: the North Sea, the Norwegian Sea and the Barents Sea. The bulk of Norway's oil production occurs in the North Sea, with smaller amounts in the Norwegian Sea and new exploration and production activity occurring in the Barents Sea.

I post that just so that when our Media always goes apeshit over Offshore Oil Drilling over here, that we at least realize that the exact same Oil companies are over there safely doing the exact same sort of drilling in Arctic waters as is being prohibited in Alaska.

Melinda Romanoff

daddy-

It's almost as if they don't want corporations to get the proceeds, but for the state to get them.

Is there a name for this bidness model?

daddy

Is there a name for this bidness model?

Melinda,

I think so, but lem'me go ask Hugo Chavez, then I'll get back to ya'.

Janet

That MSNBC woman that thinks the State should take your children has a new bit out.

I wonder how much she donates to charity? Does she give extra money to the feds?

The left have it too easy. They never are asked any hard questions. None. They just blather on about how "others" need to be doing things. What does SHE do?

centralcal

Okay dumb question of the day for the lawyer folks to explain to me in easy lay terms:

Had car battery purchased from and installed by AAA in 12/09.

Today car would not start. My son-in-law helped me and removed the battery, took it to be tested, to make certain my problem was battery related, not alternator related. Battery was dead.

He returned the battery to me, but did not put it back in the car, since I was calling AAA for battery service. My full replacement warranty expired 12/12 (36-months), but I had an additional 36 months warranty for partial rebate (total warranty coverage was 72 months).

When the AAA truck shows up, the service man (silver tongue stud, multiple ear piercings and covered in tattoos) immediately informs me that my warranty is null and void, because it says clearly in red print on my original receipt that "removal by a third party" voids the warranty.

If my receipt/warranty is a transaction between AAA and myself, how did I become a "third party?"

I sent him on his way and went to a local auto supply store and purchased a battery from them, making sure that any warranty did not preclude me from removing it to test if need be - lol!

Janet

Here's a story for Old Lurker - Maryland Governor Taxes Rain

The tax, officially known as a "storm water management fee,"....

The tax, mandated by the EPA and enforced locally, will be calculated "through satellite surveillance of your property," the statement claims.

Janet

Loved this comment at the article - "Visit Maryland, when a communist country is too far away."

henry

Janet, I gave to pay a drainage assessment on my farm ($/acre) while the City of Milwaukee dumps untreated sewage into Lake Michigan and won't do anything about it unless the "state" pays. Meanwhile the EPA goes after everyone but Milwaukee.

Melinda Romanoff

Janet-

They just lost a case on that fee. Some court called it a new tax. Who knew?

Jim Miller

Two more details about the Missoula floods:

The volume of water was so great that tributaries of the Columbia backed up, leaving all kinds of evidence high on the hills, like reverse beaches and rocks rafted down on ice floes from Canada.

The man who discovered the floods, J. Harlen Bretz, didn't persuade many geologists he was right, until decades had passed. (Partly, because geologists in the 1920s were almost dogmatically opposed to catastrophic explanations for geologic features. And partly because -- at least initially -- Bretz didn't have an explanation for where the floods had come from.)

peter

centralcal, modern cars eat up batteries. You got three years out of yours, which means you got your money's worth.

Gus

henry. Milorganite FREE in the drinking water.

Gus

Henry, does your farm drain to the canals, or if I recall it drains to a canal and then to the FOX? Or the Rock??

Gus

Peter, batteries are CARBON NEUTRAL.

Walter

CC,
The legal explanation is: the prorated value of your warranty is under $100, so we doubt you'd bother to go to small claims court.

FWIW, I've been using NAPA parts for a while now and they've been great about batteries. Just replaced a three-year-old one Monday for 50%, no receipt.

Walter

The reason for that particular exclusion is that, if you remove a battery and use a cheap charger, you can damage the battery. Obviously, they are misapplying it.

MarkO

daddy, this is all meaningless blather. She's either high or stupid or both:

"We welcome the opportunity to work with the federal government and other leaseholders to further define and clarify the requirements for drilling offshore Alaska," Johansen said. "Once those requirements are understood, we will re-evaluate our Chukchi Sea drilling plans. We believe this is a reasonable and responsible approach given the huge investments required to operate offshore in the Arctic."

narciso

The stupid seems to be cross continental;

http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/shale-gas-rich-spanish-region-bans-fracking

hey, it's not like they need any revenue, right.

Gus

Narciso. They are MARXIST. It's not about revenue, it's about CONTROL.

Ralph L

Subtract the destroyed wealth as well
Except that most of that wealth was never cash or moving around much. When all the dollars they created finally start sloshing around--what happens then?

glasater

Know I'm so late with this image but wanted to show some flatlanders how steep some of the wheat ground farmed around here is. And this very deep soil and the hills were formed from the Missoula Floods. Note the plural here:-) There were many of them. If you looked for the jagged dark line through the stubble that's the field road that takes a few turns so that the trucks can get to the main road. These hills are called the Skyrockets and are some of the steepest ground farmed in the whole world.
Skyrockets Prescott WA

daddy

Beautiful photo Glasater,

I love how when I click on it I can expand it until it almost seems as if I'm in the picture.

Have always thought it fascinating how the huge boulders called erratics pushed along in these ancient floods and glacial melts wound up out in the middle of nowhere. Here's Yeagar Rock in Eastern Washington, somewhat near you, which is supposed to have been deposited by an ancient Missoula glacial flood:

There's a neat scene in Darwin's auto-biography that gives insight on these early geology folks trying to understand how these rocks wound up where they did:

First Darwin rights:

During my second year at Edinburgh I attended-'s lectures on Geology and Zoology, but they were incredibly dull. The sole effect they produced on me was the determination never as long as I lived to read a book on Geology, or in any way to study the science. Yet I feel sure that I was prepared for a philosophical treatment of the subject; for an old Mr. Cotton in Shropshire, who knew a good deal about rocks, had pointed out to me two or three years previously a well-known large erratic boulder in the town of Shrewsbury, called the "bell-stone"; he told me that there was no rock of the same kind nearer than Cumberland or Scotland, and he solemnly assured me that the world would come to an end before any one would be able to explain how this stone came where it now lay. This produced a deep impression on me, and I meditated over this wonderful stone. So that I felt the keenest delight when I first read (much later) of the action of icebergs in transporting boulders, and I gloried in the progress of Geology.

I inserted that "much later", because 3 years later, after swapping colleges and graduating from Cambridge, Darwin hiked on a Geological Fieldtrip with Sedgewick, his Geology Professor, straight across England from Cambridge to his home town of Shrewsbury, in order to get field experience. Darwin's writes:

I had a striking instance of how easy it is to overlook phenomena, however conspicuous, before they have been observed by any one. We spent many hours in Cwm Idwal, examining all the rocks with extreme care, as Sedgwick was anxious to find fossils in them; but neither of us saw a trace of the wonderful glacial phenomena all around us; we did not notice the plainly scored rocks, the perched boulders, the lateral and terminal moraines. Yet these phenomena are so conspicuous that, as I declared in a paper published many years afterwards in the 'Philosophical Magazine'* (*'Philosophical Magazine,' 1842.), a house burnt down by fire did not tell its story more plainly than did this valley. If it had still been filled by a glacier, the phenomena would have been less distinct than they now are.

I always find that humble admission of honest cluelessness terrific.

narciso

Darnok, when the walls fell;


http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2013/04/larwyns-linx-missouri-secretly-shares.html

yes, the deluge metaphor is intentional

Brian

daddy @ 5:00 - Cool

Walter

Amazing photo, gLasater! How did you get the lighting and framing so perfect?

Danube of Thought

How certain are we that Stephen Hawking isn't nuts?

glasater

I always enjoy daddy's thoughts on subjects even when they are on the edgy side...

Walter, I've been manipulating photos for awhile and started 'way back when I was scanning print and slide film before digital cameras were around. So have been studying pixels for a long time. Thanks :-)

Have Blue

Here in Connecticut the Connecticut River is supposed to have had a major re-routing. The original course would have been from Middletown to New Haven rather than Middltown to Old Saybrook as it is now IIRC.

Have Blue

glasater - Great effect on the photo. Would have sworn it was a painting.

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