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peter

could have been something as banal as a disgruntled runner who was turned down for the marathon.

Dave (in MA)

Mini-Me said there were no unexploded bombs found yesterday, contrary to reports last night of several devices found and detonated by police. I guess this is a good case of the 48-hour rule.

Danube of Thought

I hereby proclaim the guy in the hoodie on the roof is innocent.

AliceH

-- I guess this is a good case of the 48-hour rule.--

I'm applying the 4-8 days rule, myself.

NK

Fair enough TomM. Banality or the hopelessly psychotic? remote in both cases IMO. Banality? detonating the bombs at the height of the Marathon crowd, shows delibertate intent to 'make a statement.' The Lanza like psycho? would have done more harm with much less effort with an AR-15. I 'm still of the opinion this was a 'lone wolf' political act of terror-- a Jihadi or a unibomber, or an OWS type.

narciso

FWIW, one assumes they have something more then the statement of the lad from Medina.


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/roommate_calls_saudi_national_quiet_vKFFJMC0WCaQmAofxNDHmO

Threadkiller

"White-Arab"

NK

The NY Post report is the most informative thing I've read. Hopefully it's factual-- the dead count is horrible if true.
PS: why did the FBI guy way there would be a 'worldwide'investigation?

Dave (in MA)
I 'm still of the opinion this was a 'lone wolf' political act of terror-- a Jihadi or a unibomber, or an OWS type.
Since the moonbatosphere didn't hesitate to point the finger rightward, how about a Bill Ayers Type?
NK

Sure-- a Bill Ayers type, a John Bircher, an anti-immigrant type etc etc -- all are potential 'Lone Wolf' political terrorists who could be suspected of this kind of pipe bomb act of terrorism.

narciso

So there's been no chatter, like there was after Benghazi,

Clarice

We don't know, but we do know the Administration has a need to hide evidence of jihadi terrorism as long as possible--see Benghazi. The administration prior to this one, also has this history:http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/04/16/v-fullstory/3345954/fbi-report-florida-family-had.html

When the govt is not forthright, er have every reason to be suspicious.

matt

There are just as many "scabs" as there are accredited runners in the race, so running the Marathon is not a problem. If you want the $3 medal and a T shirt, I'm sure you can find them on E Bay. So I wouldn't think that was legit unless someone really, really wanted that medal.

So far, we had reports of a suspect in custody and of several other bombs, and who knows what else, all of which have been wrong according to the FBI.We also have reports of increased security at the finish line, including bomb dogs.

As the bombing site was in proximity to the finish line, how on earth would a bomb dog have missed what they are describing as a commercially available explosive?

Having attended a lot of highly secure events over the years, this is almost inconceivable. Port-o-Sans are from trusted vendors, Trash cans are among the first item both inspected and /or removed or sealed. Etc, etc.

No announcement in the media by the perpetrator. Most of them have a cause and want it out there.You don't pick one of the largest outdoor events in the world and stay quiet.

some odd aspects to this thing.

Captain Hate

narc, I just finished Season 5 of Burn Notice. Fi did the only thing that could get Westen out from under always compromising himself and destroying his future. I just ordered Season 6.

Soylent Red

TATP also produces white smoke plumes and can be manufactured from common materials in your kitchen. No reason to conclude from the smoke cloud that it was smokeless or black powder.

With all the gun control nonsense going on, I'm particularly on guard about statements that could cause reloading supplies to be regulated...for the children.

Soylent Red

This just in...

The bombs were made of pressure cookers. You see that a lot in IEDs in AFG.

narciso

This is the report, on the folks, referred in that Tatler piece, a year and a half ago;


http://www.browardbulldog.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/April-16-2002-FBI-report1.pdf

Neither Weston or Glennane get off that easily, as you've surmised.

Thomas Collins

It's fine with me to withhold speculation and not try to score political points. Unfortunately, Barney Frank (who used the deaths and injuries to argue for higher taxes), Nick Kristoff (who used the deaths and injuries to complain about GOP Senators' consideration of an appointee) and Charles Pierce and other NPR types (who used the deaths and injuries to focus on right wingers and those who don't like taxes) don't agree.

In fairness to Kristoff, his apology was a real apology, not a "sorry if you are offended" non-apology.

Barney Frank's remarks disgust me even more than the remarks of those spouting the right wing/anti-tax BS. To use the carnage to attack those who in good faith believe in smaller government and that lower marginal tax rates help the economy is beneath contempt, especially since keeping public order is emphasized by those seeking lower taxes as a core function of government.

maryrose

I am afraid I have to disagree. This is an act of terrorism. An IED device similar to what they use in Afghanistan and Iraq is detonated for one purpose.
To maim .kill and terrorize Americans.
Obama is a wussy boy for not stating this up front and showing even a modicum of real anger and outrage. As usual he is a disgrace. He does not rally Americans with his mealy-mouth platitudes and disengagement.

jimmyk

"The Lanza like psycho? would have done more harm with much less effort with an AR-15. "

Hindsight. This perp clearly wanted to kill a lot more than he did, and to have a chance of escaping. You don't get that with an AR-15.

NK

Pressure Cooker bombs (IED) are a more (much more) lethal form of pipe bomb. That would explain the high number of shrapnel wounds to spectators.

narciso

And the AQ newsletter, seemed to feature that recipe;

http://minx.cc:81/?post=208787

jimmyk

"To use the carnage to attack those who in good faith believe in smaller government and that lower marginal tax rates help the economy is beneath contempt, especially since keeping public order is emphasized by those seeking lower taxes as a core function of government."

Yes, and as Milton Friedman argued long ago, governments that try to do too much outside of their core functions usually end up doing a bad job of everything, including the core functions.

NK

jimmyK-- I agree with that, so I guess I didn't make my point very clearly. The hopeless psycho like Lanza is going on a one way frenzy... no escape for himself. This was not that-- this was a deliberate mass casualty attack -- an act of terrorism. The pressure cooker IED is further verification of the deliberate terror attack-- this was no suicide vest wearer.lone wolf or small cell is my guess.

James D.

TC, I don't acept Kristof's apology, not at all. Maybe I'm ungracious that way, but it's of a piece with everything else he writes - and everything most of his fellows at the NYT write every day, and which their readers lap up.

Captain Hate

Obama is a wussy boy for not stating this up front and showing even a modicum of real anger and outrage. As usual he is a disgrace. He does not rally Americans with his mealy-mouth platitudes and disengagement.

I don't know if this has been discussed previously but the "we have to find out *why* this happened" really ticked me off.

Captain Hate

Kristof only wrote his "apology" because he started getting blowback on it including from his fellow nitbrains telling him what an insensitive idiot he looked like. The only thing he regrets is that it made him look bad and lessened his future effectiveness as a propagandist.

narciso

Even though he's originally from Iowa, Kristof went to Cairo U, after Harvard and Oxford, so
there are acceptable suspects;

narciso

I have to agree, Barney dialed straight to 12,
which was a tough competition,

Threadkiller

Fox News clown has said more than once that this is the first terror attack on US soil since 9/11.

Fort Hood will never count.

James D.

Threadkiller, you missed the memo. Clearly you need some re-education.

Fort Hood was workplace violence. Committed by an angry white male, as we were reminded by the MSM in the aftermath of Newtown.

Fancy not knowing that.

Gus

Clarice is correct as usual.
Also, this crime shows clearly what criminals will do if they cannot get AR-15's. Adam Lanza could just as easily have left a black backpack on the playground.

NK

Jihadi/OWS Attacks Since 9/11:

Shoe Bomber aboard US bound flight;
Muhamad shooter in Md/Va;
Arkansas vet shooter
Ft Hood
Times Square Bomber
Underwear Bomber
Ohio Bridge bomb plot

at least 7 planned/actual attacks, plus who knows how many were stopped.

narciso

Notice the dodge, he doesn't call it terrorism, he says the FBI considers it such.

NK

Again-- why did the FBI say 'worldwide' search for perps?

narciso

Who knows, Al Shahaab, the Somali affiliate, is also reported interested in such a thing, and there was a Somali recently transferred to the States.

Gus

Benghazi still not explained.

Threadkiller

Obama needs an aspirin factory to target, NK.

They have not decided the country the factory is in yet.

Jane:  Mock the Media

Oh Geez I just saw a video showing Dick and Ricky Hoyt crossing the finish line as the explosions happened. Yikes!

NK

They OK?

Danube of Thought

This is not the time to speculate. However, this is consistent with a Bernardine Dohrn type angry about the illegal drone assassination program.

Dave (in MA)

Jane, the story I read was that they had to stop 1 mile short of the finish line.

Jack is Back

Jane,

Who are the Hoyt's?

Jane:  Mock the Media

They look okay - you can see Dick looking back as the explosion goes off and as the wheelchair goes over the finish line. I think I would know by now if they were not.

I wonder if this will bring on retirement. Dick is 73 and Rick is 51.

Jane:  Mock the Media

What is it about this week - what an eerie coincidence.

NK

Whoever the monster is -- they were certainly using the AQ IED cook book.

Jack is Back

narciso,

His tribe is on Yemeni border. Clos enough?

Gus

Danube, this has DIANA OUGHTON all over it!!!

Oh, no, she used NAILS as taught to her by Bill Ayers. Ayers said it was "Property damage" he was after. After OBAMA'S FRIEND Billy Boom Boom Ayers, gilfriend Diana Oughton blew herself to bits with nail bombs. Billy Boom Boom went on the run. But all is forgiven.

Jane:  Mock the Media

JIB,

The Hoyts.

This one says they were a mile short. Perhaps I saw a runner directly behind a wheelchair, not pushing it.

sailor

Jane, I do hope you have reconsidered now and realize that this was a huge attack.

NK

The Saudi of interest: Jim Hoft reports that the kid's Facebook Page says he's interested in women and men, not that there's anything wrong with that. He may be nothing more than a bystander, he may be an unknowing dupe of the bomber, he may be a Jihadi. Time will tell... I hope.

Jack is Back

Jane,

Aha! I now remember their story. Great father to his son. Done tri-athalons also.

Danube of Thought

For whatever it's worth--maybe nothing--this video shows a 5"/62 gun firing. The powder charge for this weapon is about 18 pounds of smokeless powder. I don't think the first Boston explosion was much more powerful than that, but it seems to have generated a lot more smoke.

NK

Thank DoT-- I always appreciate seeing a video of a naval gunfire exercise.

maryrose

This attack is a big deal. I agree with Dr.K. It was successful and carried out according to a premeditated plan. We have gotten lax in our security because we were told by Obama that we won the war on terror. We need to always remain vigilant and stop new immigration now.

NK

This is a big effin' deal... whoever the bomber was.

maryrose

CH;
We must stop giving money to people who dance in the streets hoping for our demise. That includes Jordan,Palestine, Iran ,Egypt and all other US haters.Syria, only the rebels and only if they are not corrupt.

narciso

This is the third fellow from the same clan,

http://news.sky.com/story/999659/us-12m-bounty-for-al-qaeda-financiers

Rob Crawford
TATP also produces white smoke plumes and can be manufactured from common materials in your kitchen. No reason to conclude from the smoke cloud that it was smokeless or black powder.

Yeah, the "smokeless powder or black powder" line sounds like wish-casting.

But if it's a righty, I call dibs on shooting out his/their kneecaps.

Gus

Not ALL middle-easter/North African muzzzzlims were dancing.

Porchlight

I agree with Jane's prior assessmentin that if measured by casualties alone, this isn't "huge" in the way that other terrorist attacks have been huge. This is very small compared to the kinds of bombings and attacks that are routine in other parts of the world.

However, it is a major deal no matter what in that it is a terrorist attack on US soil.

narciso

So you can see, why his name should have set off some flags, when you add in other factors.

Gus

Megyn Kelly, just said we ALWAYS find out who did these things. Then she corrected herself and said Benghazi is the exception.

peter

Fox News clown has said more than once that this is the first terror attack on US soil since 9/11.

Fort Hood will never count.


And I have always wondered whether September 11, 2008 was a deliberate terrorist attack on the financial world.

matt

I hope they were policing their brass in that video, DoT. Do we still have any 8" guns in service aborad naval vessels or is 5" the limit today?

The explosive could have been a lot of things and the forensics lab should have that determined very quickly. From what we are hearing it is a type of bomb that could readily have been made from commonly available components.

What we know is that we don't know.

OldTimer

What fosters such irrational hate? If Menendez is actually doing this, he's only going to draw more attention to himself...

http://twitchy.com/2013/04/16/classy-sen-menendez-reportedly-blocking-resolution-honoring-thatcher/?utm_source=autotweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter

narciso

Kevin Freeman, who wrote that Pentagon study on Economic Warfare, certainly thought so Peter.

Janet

Maybe Menendez has to do some scut work for embarrassing the Dems awhile ago.

Jane:  Mock the Media

I agree with Jane's prior assessmentin that if measured by casualties alone, this isn't "huge" in the way that other terrorist attacks have been huge

I was actually talking about how it felt yesterday, and mentioned that we really had no idea what it was. I was surprised to see live reporting about it all night long. It doesn't feel like 911. Maybe that is because of the amount of casualties or maybe because I am no longer shocked at terrorism.

If this had been the first attack on US soil I think it would have felt differently.

Janet

This was what I saw at the press conference -

(CNSNews.com) – The first words out of Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s mouth at a Tuesday morning press conference in Boston were praise for her fellow Democrat, President Barack Obama.

“The President of the United States has pledged his full support in all efforts to keep the city safe and to find the person who did this and bring them to justice. We did not have to reach out to the president. The president reached out to us,” Warren said at the news conference updating the investigation into the terror attack at the Boston Marathon.

“He called the governor, he called the mayor, he called the members of the (congressional) delegation, because the president is actively involved here and responding.”

then turned it off.

James D.

Janet, that's more than I would have been able to stand.

I'd also point out that Warren is praising Zero for doing the bare minimum that any national leader would be expected to do after such an attack.

Danube of Thought

I'm sure they were policing, Matt, although I saw one go over the side. Pretty sure the 5" is the largest in the USN now.

Back in the early 70's they began to phase out brass casings and convert to some sort of unglamorous alloy. I have a magnificent ashtray made out of the bases of two brass 5"/54 casings that were milled to fit one over top of the other, creating an enclosed cylinder about 4" high. Ashes are flicked into the hole where the primer was in the top one. Two .50 caliber empties, split down the middle and appropriately trimmed, are spaced at 90-degree intervals around the top to hold the cigars. The gunner's mates gave it to me when I left the ship. A treasure.

Porchlight

I felt the same yesterday, Jane. And today.

Danube of Thought

Heaven knows you may be right about an Oughton type, Gus, and it was rash of me to speculate. At this point, for example, we certainly can't rule out the New Black Panther Party or Occupy Wall Street. Best simply to wait until all the facts are in before engaging in such talk.

Porchlight

“He called the governor, he called the mayor, he called the members of the (congressional) delegation, because the president is actively involved here and responding.”

Performing the very basics of one's job warrants fulsome praise. Infantile.

This highlights the lack of same during and after Benghazi, though Warren is too dumb to figure that out.

Captain Hate

Performing the very basics of one's job warrants fulsome praise. Infantile.

They won't stop treating him like a retarded child until he's off the public stage; which probably means forever.

James D.

Porch, it's not that Warren is too dumb to figure it out. She understands it perfectly well.

What she also understands is that her audience (MSM stenographers and propagandists; and LIVs) don't know it.

Which is why it's Zero in the White House in the first place.

matt

Did the WH release photos of the president emoting?


We have to declare another war one of these days; the War on Crazy.

Crazy is everywhere and it is undermining the country. We see the toll it takes every day and we have stood on the sidelines too long.

I propose the Federal government create a new Department of Crazy where all of the crazy can be put in one place. I would like to nominate Rep. Maxine Waters as the first Secretary of Crazy. Undersecretary Cynthia McKinney and Special Assistant Secretary Ron Paul can assist the good Secretary.

Danube of Thought

FactCheck.org makes short work of the imbecile Biden's latest:


Vice President Biden exaggerates when he waxes nostalgic about the “good old days” — a time when “everybody, including the NRA, thought background checks made sense.” Biden’s office says he was referring to the NRA’s support for background checks in the early 1990s and its stated support for expanding background checks to include gun shows in 1999.

But vice president’s sentimental journey rides roughshod over the facts:

--In 1991, the NRA endorsed legislation creating a national system of “instant background checks” as an alternative to a seven-day waiting period contained in the proposed Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act. But the technology didn’t exist yet. A gun-control advocate said the “instant check bill would have completely gutted the Brady bill by eliminating the waiting period.”

--In 1993, the Brady bill became law with compromise language on background checks. The law required a five-day waiting period until an instant background check system could be established. Background checks would apply only to federally licensed firearm dealers, and the NRA said it opposed attempts to expand background checks to all gun sales as “foolish.”

--In 1998, on the day that the FBI launched the instant check system, the NRA sued to bar the federal agency from keeping identifying information on gun buyers for 90 days, claiming the brief retention of records amounted to a de facto gun registry. Although the NRA lost its suit, Congress would later mandate that the FBI destroy its records within 24 hours of an approved gun sale.

--In 1999, Congress considered expanding background checks to include gun shows after the Columbine High School massacre. The NRA supported a narrow expansion of background checks in a House bill that then-President Clinton said was “plainly ghostwritten by the NRA.” The NRA opposed a more expansive Senate version. The Senate sponsor said that “the gun lobby killed the legislation in House-Senate conference.”

"Exaggerates" is one way of putting it, I suppose.

Porchlight

James D, you are certainly right about the LIVs so maybe Warren's cannier than I give her credit for.

Then again why? The LIVs didn't notice that Obama was AWOL during Benghazi anyway.

Rick Ballard

"I was actually talking about how it felt yesterday"

Jane,

Perhaps it's a symptom of worldwide giveadamometer failure? BOzo has been dragging Newtown corpses around for months to little effect, the Philly Baby Butcher is eliciting yawns, the EUrocrat Rape of Cyprus causes barely a ripple, etc.

I have doubts about organized Mohametan involvement in Boston. Morsi's remarks this morning have to be understood in the context of the begging bowl he is trying to have the IMF fill. BOzo's fantasy budget bumps our contribution to the IMF considerably and splodeydopes aren't helpful at all.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

I've been perusing my constitution and can find no mention of a right to keep and bear pressure cookers.

NK

BAN PRESSURE COOKERS!!!!!... for the children

James D.

The LIVs didn't notice Zero's AWOL act during Benghazi because the MSM helped to bury it.

Compare that coverage to the endless analysis and vitriolic attacks on President Bush's every action on the morning of 9/11.

Bush was pilloried for not panicking a roomful of children, when he was informed of an unprecedented attack that was a complete surprise.

Zero was given a free pass and active assistance in covering up his behavior, when he decided to pack it in and go to bed because he couldn't be bothered to stay up and learn whether his Ambassador was alive or not.

Porchlight

Perhaps it's a symptom of worldwide giveadamometer failure? BOzo has been dragging Newtown corpses around for months to little effect, the Philly Baby Butcher is eliciting yawns, the EUrocrat Rape of Cyprus causes barely a ripple, etc.

Just so, Rick.

The Facebook public outpouring of grief and outrage doesn't help, either. Everyone falls over each other trying to demonstrate their humanity via gifs and jpegs. This seems to be exponentially more noticeable since Sandy Hook, but maybe that's just me since a lot of my hometown FB peeps are in Newtown and the surrounding area.

bgates

We did not have to reach out to the president.

"OK, we should say something good about President Obama."
"..."
"And how he's been..."
"...involved?"
"Yeah."
"..."
"He called, right?"
"What?"
"Remember, when we were all like 'Should we call somebody at the FBI or the White House or whatever?' And just then the phone rang and it was the President."
"Yeah! And he was so supportive!"
"Exactly. He said he would...um...."
"He said 'let me be perfectly clear', I remember that."
"Yeah. And I just...felt so supported, you know?"
"Right. Hey, let's make some calls to other people. I bet he called them too."
"He's so wonderful."

Porchlight

All true, James D. It's sickening.

Rob Crawford
Did the WH release photos of the president emoting?

Looked more like he was ordering pizza.

Rob Crawford
I've been perusing my constitution and can find no mention of a right to keep and bear pressure cookers.

The Founders only knew about Dutch ovens, not these new-fangled "digesters".

peter

No ban pressure cookers larger than a certain size. That should fix it.

NK

night of 9/11/12 Obummer was collecting filthy campaign lucre in Las Vegas;

Fauxchahontas's condescension to Obummer--
Lizzie's not very smart, but she's at least one order of magnitude smarter than JEF.

James D.

NK, the dog that poops in the hallway of my building because he/she can't hold it in for those last ten feet to the door, is an order of magnitude smarter than JEF.

narciso

You laugh, but registering cookers is exactly the sort of idiocy, they would think as a solution,

Jane:  Mock the Media

BOzo has been dragging Newtown corpses around for months to little effect, the Philly Baby Butcher is eliciting yawns, the EUrocrat Rape of Cyprus causes barely a ripple, etc.

Now that's a good point. I never thought of it that way.

I swear I'm becoming a crazy. I immediately pondered the possibility that the administration was involved in yesterday's bombing to drag attention away from - well from just about anything.

Then again, I over-reacted to Watergate...

narciso

No I think so if anything it got in the way of the two offensives, they were pushing on guns, immigration etc, Horge Ramos, the Spanish David Gregory was complaining about the latter, on the air and on twitter.

narciso

Janet Napolitano, says no larger plot, that's reassuring,

Threadkiller

Somehow the immigration policy we currently have has allowed the two dynamic doctors that are currently giving a press conference into this nation.

We should tweak it...

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