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July 13, 2013

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MarkO

It will be about race if it helps Obama. Otherwise, because and well . . ..

A Rainbow Coalition.

Not the color of your clothes, but the contents of your pockets.
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narciso

She's a chip off the old block;


http://www.thenewscommenter.com/news/MSNBCs-Lisa-Bloom-Creepy-Ass-Cracker-Was-Funny-Lighthearted-Way-To-Describe-Someone/19128

bunkerbuster

Wherever there is an opportunity to provoke white fear and loathing of Afro-American, Tom jumps at the chance.
You should be ashamed. Don't you realize how racist this kind of stuff makes conservatives look?

The poor sell schlocked thing.

No, but I do understand how confused bunkerbusted sounds. Shell-shocked, even.
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narciso

Well it's a culture rather then a race thing, re Justified, there is Raylan the lawman, and Boyd the crook and conman, they grew up in the same neighborhood, but they turned out differently.

Jane -walk like an Egyptian

Hey TM, how did you do that red thing?

Jeff Dobbs

"In things racial we have always been and I believe continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards. We, as average Americans, simply do not talk enough with each other about race."
--stuff Eric Holder said

"You should be ashamed to talk about race."
--bubu

narciso

I would like to see that footage, because it seems passing strange, that someone would do something that ill considered,

bunkerbuster

I'm just the messenger. A widening majority of Americans see Republicans as the party of white privilege and conservatism as an ideology beholden to white power.
And websites like this only help perpetuate those perceptions about conservatives.

rse

What I am being told consistently now is that gang crime is a tremendous problem in this metro area but that it would look bad to report it. So it isn't.

Which becomes a particular problem in dealing with teenagers as not covered by the media makes valid concerns over places with records of consistent problems being unknown. So the parent that does know seems like a worry wart. And maybe motivated by bias. Instead of accurate, relevant info.

I just found out this week that one of my kids' friends created a hashtag for the supposedly stupid stuff I say. That she hears when she is a guest in my home. Except it's not stupid and what got tweeted suggests the kid is only absorbing every third word.

So you end up with a picture that legitimate concerns are unwarranted and funny and the object of ridicule. Except they shouldn't be. That somehow people in nice neighborhoods just think there are problems and that shows how out of touch we are. Except it is the teenagers who are out of touch.

And we are going to end up with more real tragedies because knowing what is actually happening and explaining concerns is now funny. Yeah, right until it isn't.

DublinDave

Yeah but if you tally the racial scorcard you'd still have to systematicaly murder a whole bunch of whites, rape them, enslave them, degrade and humiliate them for hundreds of years to even come close to being even steven.

Sorry whitey, no boo boo or you.

Oh and stay away from black neighbourhoods today, especially if you have a white wife or girlfriend with you.

Clarice

Yes, descendants of slaves like Michelle Obama should just go out and wreak vengence on the descendant of slave owners like herself and enslavers like Obama.People like me descendants of Europeans wh were little more than slaves themselves can watch,

narciso

Are there no Lt. Columbo's anymore 'One More Question,' sir,

Jeff Dobbs

I can't tell you how concerned I am by how concerned a concern-troll is concerned.

poppa india

Dave, since you think revenge is acceptable, you should volunteer yourself to be a recipient of that vengeance, take the heat off those white people who had nothing to do with oppressing blacks and those whose ancestors died fighting against slavery.

narciso

I mean this belongs in the previous thread 'shirley they can't be serious'

DublinDave

I'm just sayin that if you lined up all the black people who've suffered at the hands of White racism and all the white people who've suffered at the hands of black racism the 'black people 'line woud stretch around the world whereas the '
white people' line wouldn't make it out of the parking lot.

Threadkiller

"I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe."

poppa india

Dave, so what? Does that make it ok for a person of one race to harm a person of another?

danoso

Dave is simply an adherent of today's fascism, the core belief being that truth is derived not from rational thought, but from an immutable quality of those involved. Blacks are justified in killing whites, because they are black. The opposite is never true. Hence we end up with situations like the GZ trial. There's no rational argument to be made that a crime was committed, but many 'feel' he's guilty, based on nothing more than skin color.

And, somehow, conservatives are the ones with a 'race' problem. Go figure.

Winchester House

In 1967 Reagan signed the Mulford Act to ban open-carry in California, but only AFTER the Black Panthers started brandishing their weapons in public.

He like others, like guns but not in the hands of blacks. They like a level-playing field as long as they have all the weapons.

Racial nullification.

Ignatz

--Wherever there is an opportunity to provoke white fear and loathing of Afro-American, Tom jumps at the chance.
You should be ashamed. Don't you realize how racist this kind of stuff makes conservatives look?--

In bubu's strange world noting an apparent discrepancy between a warrant and a video of the event is racist.
And that conservatives are viewed as racist by some after a steady drumbeat of lies and propaganda by guys like bubu for decades is evidence not of the effectiveness of his propaganda but actually becomes the truth.

It would be nice if he ever actually did figure out what "intellectual dishonesty" means and got a good dose of some of that "redemptive self awareness" Dana's always going on about.

boris

There are at least 3 lines.

(1) Black people suffering due to black racism.
(2) Black people suffering due to white racism.
(3) White people suffering due to black racism.
IMO the entire country is suffering from the longest line (1). The other two are insignificant compared to (1).

poppa india

I like to see guns in the hands of ALL law-abiding people.

Ignatz

--In 1967 Reagan signed the Mulford Act to ban open-carry in California, but only AFTER the Black Panthers started brandishing their weapons in public.....Racial nullification.--

It didn't ban open carry. It banned loaded open carry.
The much more restrictive and probably unconstitutional (bear arms anyone) unloaded open carry ban was passed last year by an overwhelming Dem majority and signed by Jerry Brown.
The only real fear of citizens carrying weapons I hear from lefties these days is those creepy ass crackers so not sure your theory isn't horse puckey Dana.

Winchester House

In DIRECT response to the Black Panthers, since you saw fit to omit that portion. Whites like being able to slip a few bucks to the referee,
'just to keep it fair'.

Atrollpasinthru

If it wasn't for the white colonialists in Africa, in Australia and in the Americas, millions of the natives of those regions would still be living in the stone age with less than an 11% chance of survival. In fact, IN FACT, most black slaves had a MUCH higher quality of life than natives in the wild had. Fuck'n ingrates.

Winchester House

And if slaves weren't consigned to eating offal and other trash meat, we wouldn't have BBQ or Paula Deen to kick around. It's a win/win.

henry

Jane, basic text color explained here. TP won't let me use color in the comments, but it is a simple HTML tag.

Ignatz

--In DIRECT response to the Black Panthers, since you saw fit to omit that portion. Whites like being able to slip a few bucks to the referee,
'just to keep it fair'.--

Gun control has historically been used by both parties but primarily the Dems to suppress black gun ownership. I don't dispute that and so "omitted" nothing.

The point is the real threat to open carry and gun ownership period by EVERYONE including blacks trying to protect themselves is now almost solely the Dems and the political left.

When the NRA or CRPA file suit against the open carry ban we can expect the AA Kamala Harris to join us, right? It's always been about political power more than race.

narciso

So what's the real story, re Bellew, it doesn't ring true, just as with 'Deep State'
nonsense being proferred by Kirkpatrick at the Times, and Matt Bradley at the Journal.

derwill

So why, duda and bubu, did you all on the Left and the race baiters and the media pick on Zimmerman upon which to exact your vengeance for all the supposed sins of the white race? By your own standards of racial identity, Zimmerman is an Hispanic--indeed, by your own standards, he is no more of a white man than Obama is a white man. He's a registered Democrat, which makes him a member of the "good" party, not one of us evil rethuglicans. He's unemployed, so he's not a greedy capitalist pig either. Yes, he shot a 17 year old black kid during an altercation, and that warranted a police investigation, and an arrest and a trial if the facts supported such. But incidents like that--hispanics shooting and killing black kids during an altercation--are a daily occurrence now, and yet they've never registered so much as a blip on your liberal radar screen. So why are you all so committed to the national public lynching of this one particular man? What exactly is the message you're trying to send here? That he has to be punished for being white? Except by your own standards of racial identity he is not white. That he has to be punished for being on the wrong side of the political divide? Except he's a registered Democrat, which makes him one of your peeps, not ours. That he's got to be punished for being a member of the "privileged" class. Except he's unemployed, and was living in a marginal, racially diverse neighborhood, not a safe, wealthy, all-white enclave like the one that Nancy Pelosi lives in in San Francisco.

So why did you all decide to make an unemployed, hispanic Democrat the poster boy for the White Man, who must be crucified for all the sins committed by the white race against the black? If he is sent to prison or killed, how is that going to absolve you of the guilt you feel for white yourselves?

AliceH

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Police Procedure requires removing "gang colors" and such before mug shots are taken. Those T-shirts in the mug shots all look like they were just removed from the package.

derwill

Should be: "your white selves"

Winchester House

'more about political power than race'

Hmm. Where has the power been centrally located?

Dem/Rep labels don't suffice. As you know; 'what's in a name?'

It's a white man's Republic, so far.

Gmax

Yeah its so bad for the Republicans that Democrat douchebag Senator from Montana declines to run for reelection. Its a shit storm I tell ya!

Laff Trac

"... you'd still have to systematicaly murder a whole bunch of whites, rape them, enslave them, degrade and humiliate them for hundreds of years..."

DiamondDave Jeantel back on a roll! Comedy Gold!!!

narciso

More of the 'floor wax and desert topping' rationale;

http://www.volokh.com/2013/07/13/liberty-university-v-lew/

Eric in Boise

As a person of pallor, I avoid walking through all-Black neighborhoods. When I lived in L.A., I avoided even driving through South Central.

Is it because I'm a racist? Nope. I'd say I'm more of a "culturist".

A racist believes that blacks are inferior because of the color of their skin, and will ALWAYS be inferior.

A "culturist" recognizes that much (not all) of contemporary American Black culture is diseased and dysfunctional, and glorifies violence, misogny, and victimhood. As such, it is best avoided.

I could take a black child out of the worst part of the ghetto and raise him, and he'd be polite, he'd respect order and authority, and he'd respect women, and, most importantly, himself. Just like the white kids that I raised.

It isn't just us eeevil conservatives that have noted this cultural problem. Noted GOP stalwarts such as Bill Cosby and Juan Williams agree with me, at least to some point.

And yes, I realize that some people who consider themselves "tolerant multiculturists" regard my views as just as immoral as straight-up racism.

I don't care.

Atrollpasinthru

And if slaves weren't consigned to eating offal and other trash meat, we wouldn't have BBQ ...

I got your point, but it was a specious argument.

Back in those days, nobody's diet was what they are today. By today's standards, it was primitive eat'n for everybody in those days.

Some of the basics remain great, though, like corn bread crumbled up in a big glass of butter milk on a hot summer's day

Mark Folkestad

As thick as Guy was laying it on about TM being a "child" during his rebuttal, I'm surprised that he didn't suggest that TM couldn't make it safely back to his unit because his diapers had drooped so much that they restricted the movement of his legs.

AliceH

I think our trolls are calling our President and Attorney General weak and powerless. Either that or they're white supremacists. Or something. So hard to find a logical argument in there...

Danube on iPad

One of Zimmerman's grandfathers was black. He is twice as black as Homer Plessy was. But Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the New York Times elected to portrayhim as white, and the rest is history.

Winchester House

"it was primitive eat'n for everybody in those days."

Did Southern wealth demand the tenderloins be exported, you know, just to keep the neck-bone cuisine?

My specious comment was in response to a specious comment.

narciso

Red Chief can't get any respect;

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2013/07/13/russian-officials-weve-received-no-asylum-request-from-snowden/

pagar

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/07/13/virginian-naacp-chief-dares-to-question-the-saintliness-of-trayvon-martin-calls-for-his-resignation-flood-in/

Ignatz

--Hmm. Where has the power been centrally located?.....It's a white man's Republic, so far.--

Yes, representative republics and democracies have that unfortunate attribute of most power being vested in majorities.

The bizarre thing is leftists who profess disdain o
for the treatment of minorities and a distrust of concentrated political power are the very people with the most contempt for limiting political power and protecting the constitution, the most important political instrument in history in protecting the rights of any minority against the majority.

fdcol63

Al Sharpton heard the name and assumed Zimmerman was one of those evil white Joooooos.

Ignatz

Apologies. Like our country, my comment contained a superfluous, useless O.

Winchester House

"The bizarre thing is leftists who profess disdain o
for the treatment of minorities and a distrust of concentrated political power are the............... very people with the most contempt for limiting political power and protecting the constitution, the most important political instrument in history in protecting the rights of any minority against the majority."

Boy are you confused. How many leftists do you really talk to?

How about libertarian leftists? Still none? If yes, please give a concrete example.

Danube on iPad

Orlando Sentinel:

"A 15-year-old boy has been arrested after authorities say he tweeted out a threat to commit a 'mass homicide' if George Zimmerman is found not guilty in the death of Trayvon Martin, according to the Lake County News-Sun. The since-deleted tweet, which came from @mark12394995, read 'If Zimmmerman free imma shoot everybody in Zion [Illinois] causing a mass homicide, and ill get away wit it just like Zimmerman.' The teen, whose name was not released, was charged with disorderly conduct, although deputies told the News-Sun that there was no credibility to the threat."

Danube on iPad

"Where has the power been centrally located?.....It's a white man's Republic, so far"

Hard to see how it could be otherwise, inasmuch as the republic was founded and populated by white men. Only a fool would find something sinister in that fact.

Winchester House

Notwithstanding the indigenous population.

Shall I discover your property and then lay claim to it?

Amazingly dense and gluten-rich cake you're eating.

Danube on iPad

"Shall I discover your property and then lay claim to it?"

If you can hold it, give it a try.

The fact is that every acre of land on this planet has been taken by someone from someone else, often many times over. Do you seriously maintain that no people should be allowed to migrate to any inhabited place? Infantile.

Comanche Voter

What is it with these State AG's in Florida and cops in Georgia always trying to blow smoke up my heinie?

Atrollpasinthru

Winchester House: I'm sure that, as cutesy comebacks, your bizarre rationales make perfect sense to you, But they are childlike babbling to the rest if us. Cute and cutesy, but senseless and pointless, too. BTW, you have yet to make a valid point. All that you post here is smoke, mirrors and bullshit. No substance. No facts. Just bullshit. Can't you do better?

Winchester House

"If you can hold it, give it a try."

That's the point, isn't it. When you arrive in the middle of a discussion, it's best to ketchup.

henry

Danube, Zion is just south of the state line (near Mel) by Lake MIchigan. It is filled with welfare / voting double dippers that screw taxpayers of IL and WI at the same time. Slightly west of the are more legally armed citizens than that kid can imagine. Consider it protective custody at this point.

matt

All of those racist Republicans like Nikki Haley, Walter Williams, Bobby Jindal, Herman Cain, Susana Martinez, Clarence Thomas, etc....

Read your frigging Moynihan you leftist turds.Our society has refused to deal with the root causes of the disintegration of first the African American family and then all families because of the leftist, eugenecist, plantation political philosophy of the Democratic Party; the party of Nathan Bedford Forrest, Jim Crow, and Robert Byrd.

boris

"Do you seriously maintain that no people should be allowed to migrate ..."

Of course not, everybody knows "white flight" is a bad thing.

Ignatz

Some leftists, by no means all, want to limit state power in certain limited realms like law enforcement or intelligence gathering. Some would like to limit defense power as well although many seem quite content in smacking foreign people around, just different ones.

However in the realm of where the vast majority of citizens actually spend 99% of their lives almost all leftists are statists who believe there should be no practical limit to state power.

We should send our kids to state owned schools and go to state owned hospitals and work, preferably at state owned facilities, but if not, then at state run and approved ones, run and approved through onerous taxation and regulations.
When the state wishes to know every single facet of our lives it should have unfettered access to every speck of money we've made and spent through the IRS and every thing about our personal lives through our medical records.
We should retire on state owned pensions when, and if, the state says we can and the state will let us live until we begin to cost it too much.

"Libertarian leftist" is perhaps the quintessential oxymoron, although I will grant the existence of not a few libertine ones.

Patriot4Freedom

An old adage says "When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail."

For Pres. oBOzo, POSAG Holder, and the race-baiters like Sharpton, Jackson, Crump, et. al., the only tool in their toolbox is racial victimhood, so every problem looks like racial oppression.

As long as victimhood yields a majority of the black vote, we cannot expect to see *any* semblance of honesty in reporting black on white crime. It just doesn't fit the propaganda template.

Account Deleted

"Infantile"

Could anything more be anticipated from Dana Gilbert Ward? He's just surly due to envy of the current faculty at Pitzer College being handed Commie Core Cretins to indoctrinate rather than the simpletons dumb enough to sign up for his drivel when he was destroying what little reputation the college had during his much less than illustrious tenure.

CR

In a breaking development, the Special Prosecutor’s Office of Angela Corey has fired the IT specialist who blew the whistle on the prosecution’s concealment of evidence:

State Attorney Angela Corey fired her office’s information technology director Friday after he testified last month about being concerned prosecutors did not turn over information to George Zimmerman’s defense team in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.

On the same day attorneys finished their closing arguments in that nationally watched trial, a state attorney investigator went to Ben Kruidbos’ home about 7:30 a.m. to hand-deliver a letter stating Kruidbos “can never again be trusted to step foot in this office.”

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/07/zimmerman-trial-verdict-watch-live/

Winchester House

"disintegration of first the African American family"

Leftists weren't even on the map when Native Americans started getting USG assistance and became wards of the State. We see how those 'guilt' subsidies worked out for them. Just as a parent who feels guilty about their child's circumstances and spoils them with entitlements, so too blacks have been undermined by the freebies.

But go ahead with your ahistorical and demented pov.

OldTimer

Since the NSA/PRISM revelations, how many poll respondents believe Obama is 'listening' to their personal phone calls. I'd bet the approve figure is only around 40%:

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows that 49% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Obama's job performance. Fifty percent (50%) disapprove (see trends).

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Cecil Turner

Dave, so what? Does that make it ok for a person of one race to harm a person of another?

Oh, please. You can't possibly be buying his underlying premise, are you? Interracial crime is vastly disproportional, with blacks as perpetrators more than 3x as often as they are victims. E.g., for murder, 2008 (last year for which stats are available, percentage of stranger homicides):

B on w // W on b
17.8 // 5.3
Other violent crime stats are even more lopsided. The only way you can possibly pretend "racism" (at least in the context of violent crime) cuts the opposite direction is by defining racism as white on black only.

poppa india

So, Winchester, when are the Dems going to begin getting rid of those guilt subsidies?

peter

grrrr.. just spent $500 on replacing my computer's motherboard, now the mouse don't work. grrrr....

Winchester House

It's clear you don't talk to lefties of any stripe. Your blanket pronouncements and confidence in your conclusions says a lot about you.

Oxymoron, indeed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-libertarianism

Danube on iPad

"That's the point, isn't it."

I'm not sure of the antecedent of "that," so I really don't know. My point is that this continent was settled by white people, and that over time they established a polity that permitted the development ofthe most prosperous society the world has ever seen. That polity also enabled people of any and all races to partake of that prosperity. The fact that this achievement disturbed the lives and culture of those who were here before (and who were busily engaged in disturbing the lives and cultures of one another) does not remotely suggest to me that thewhole enterprise should never have been undertaken

Would you suggest that the Normans, say, were morally obliged to remain in Scandinavia? I suspect you wouldn't, because you don't hate theNormans. You just hate white America. Tough.

Tom Maguire
Hey TM, how did you do that red thing?

Copy/paste? I guess I am free riding on the vast powers of the Federal government, in partnership with Microsoft.

The HTML code is this:

And now I am operating above my pay grade...

poppa india

Cecil, I'm certainly not buying into it, I'm just curious why Dave thinks his long and short lines have to do with our society. So far, no answer.

boris

unbold ???

poppa india

???

henry

TP won't let us use a font tag, thus Tom M only got bold instead of color.

Atrollpasinthru

Tell me, Winchester, is it your belief that Liberals have been here for less an a hundred years? That they're a relatively new phenomena? That there are significant differences between Liberals, Democrats, Socialists and Progressives? Just answer the questions, preferably in 50 words or less. Don't bullshit to conceal your ignorance, to save face and to weasel out of answering them.

Ignatz

I don't deny people claim libertarian leftism is possible.
I deny they are correct.
And the picture of the would be tyrant Chomsky as poster boy for the "philisophy" says all that needs to be said.

Account Deleted

"The fact that this achievement disturbed the lives and culture of those who were here before (and who were busily engaged in disturbing the lives and cultures of one another)"

If not for those evil whites we could still enjoy the magnificent spectacle of rivers of blood flowing down the steps of the temples from the Aztec altars where beating hearts were ripped from the chests of members of neighboring tribes - and the sights of the market place where the still quivering fresh flesh of the sacrifices was sold at very reasonable prices.

Stupid white men.

Winchester House

So you know Chomsky. I apologize for regarding you ignorant.

Do you have actual discussions with anyone outside your pov?

narciso

It's seems 'category error,; whether in Benghazi, with the video practically no one saw, the twit who blamed the Boston Bombings
on Tea Partiers (the name went down the memory whole; David something or other), all bad derivations of Said, Zinn, et al.

Winchester House

"Stupid white men."

Cortes was brilliant but not quite white. But I do understand how your high regard for other cultures would lead you to think so.

narciso

Chomsky as with Gareth Porter, where the ones who helped whitewash 'The Killing Fields' you would think there would be no comeback from that, but you'd be wrong.

Atrollpasinthru

So you know Chomsky. I apologize for regarding you ignorant.

Do you have actual discussions with anyone outside your pov?

Posted by: Winchester House | July 13, 2013 at 01:15 PM
_________________________________

That's it. Enough is enough. You aren't even rational.

Patriot4Freedom

Believing in the freedom to be an anarchist does NOT make one a libertarian.

Sounds like the fringe leftists are trying to rename themselves as something less than what they truly are.

Gmax

Yeah I guess Cortes was a true white Hispanic...

Can someone tell where the control panel is to turn of the sarcasm tag?

Danube on iPad

"Cortes was brilliant but not quite white."

He was whiter than George Zimmerman.

narciso

Doesn't this seem like overkill;

http://southcobb.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/police-teens-offered-no-aid-to-mableton-hitandrun-victim

narciso

It does seem a little like the Holler;

http://southcobb.patch.com/groups/politics-and-elections/p/mableton-man-3-others-indicted-on-federal-drug-charges

Patriot4Freedom

Winchester - Pleae do us all a favor, and invest in a good dictionary.

Then, you can familiarize yourself with the concept of the "strawman argument" and the definition of a non sequitur.

narciso

It's just a series of misunderstandings;

http://southcobb.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/suspects-arrested-in-connection-with-mableton-bank-robbery

Some Guy

Exactly how was Cortes not white?

narciso

They seem to have let this Squirrel!! out subsequently;


http://www.mdjonline.com/view/full_story/23037003/article-Mableton-teens-linked-to-gang-are-accused-in-beating-death

Atrollpasinthru

Hernando Cortez, Castilian, Spaniard,
Conquistador - not quite white? WTF?

There you go, blowing smoke and trying
to look smart again. You're full of shit.

Patriot4Freedom

*Please* . . .
or as they say in some parts, "puh-leeze."

narciso

Didn't see Treacher had linked the original piece, with the text.

glasater

I went to a Tea Party meeting about a month ago and the guest speaker said conservatives should reach and find common ground with progressives/liberals.

Don't there is much common ground any longer.

derwill

I think the jury has been out long enough now, for us to surmise that they are hung--probably between manslaughter and not guilty, although that's just a guess on my part, based on the supposition that if they all believed him to be guilty, but were divided on the degree of guilt, they would have settled on manslaughter already because it would still mean he gets jail time.

That's not to say they can't still unhang themselves, but given the nature of this case, the longer it goes on, the less likely I think it is that we'll see a verdict from this jury.

glasater

Should be...

Don't think there is much common ground...

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