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September 22, 2013

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Dublindave

Don't know about defunding, but ya'll have become masters at devaluing your own political brand.

As of this morning not one person in this group has said that the Tea Party has had a negative effect on the Republican party. Not one. That's amazing isn't it? Which is to say that people are too frightened to speak up and defend their party or they believe that the parties out of control radical wing is having a positive net effect on the movement.

WOW!

hrtshpdbox

Let me join the non-chorus of those not asserting that the Tea Party has had a negative effect on the Republican party. Of course the Tea Party has been one of the, if not the only, positive things going on in the Republican party for quite some time now. They've helped elect Republicans who actually stand for something, an attribute in short shrift in Washington. Too bad that the establishment old guard has continued to nominate non-starters like McCain and Romney - here's hoping they get it right next time.

peter

What do you know? Linsdey Graham is suddenly in favor of defunding Obamacare.

Steve

Video: Voice of the People: Talking Obamacare in Times Square

http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2013/09/video-voice-of-people-talking-obamacare.html

narciso

So where did this come from;

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/09/21/202832/ap-freelancer-says-report-of-rebel.html#.Uj7mvD_DLFw

Extraneus

From the previous thread...

Top of Drudge:

Palin -- Bombs Away on Obamacare; Cruz Is over the Target



Those of us who hang in there supporting a major political party with our energy, time, and contributions would like to believe that that party would praise principled conservatives like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee for following through on campaign promises. We’d like to believe that the GOP establishment would applaud the way these bold leaders have rallied the grassroots to their cause. But, no, such praise would require a commensurate level of guts and leadership, and the permanent political class in D.C. is nothing if not gutless and rudderless.

We’re now, once again, subjected to the “anonymous sources” backstabbing game. The Capitol Hill cowards are rushing to anonymously denounce Senator Cruz to any reporter with a pad and pen.

[snip]

Republicans in Congress support funding the government. If the Democrats block these funding measures, a government shutdown is on them. In the meantime, stop the ridiculous hysterics. Heck, about the most significant thing that happened during the last government shutdown was Clinton hooked up with Monica.

I won't spoil the ending.

Clarice

http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/09/one_weird_trick_to_expose_the_truth_about_obamacare.html

Crossposted.

narciso

My fishwrap seems to following the stylings of it's exemplar, 100 or so miles south;

pagar101

May God bless the Tea Party members as they attempt to put the nation back on track from the disaster that the leftists have caused our nation.

narciso

They take Cruella's word as gospel;


http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/09/21/3639771/fight-over-obamacare-is-anything.html

Jane-Rebel Alliance1

Hey Dudu,

WE ARE THE TEA PARTY!

Be scared, be very scared.

rse

This post should help put the anger against the Tea Party into its appropriate context. http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/agents-of-ideological-hegemony-how-the-real-common-core-shifts-us-to-state-capitalism/

And I want to note that the Digital Economy/Role of the Research University Mtg I mentioned sponsored by a famous search engine was co-sponsored by one of those state-oriented think tanks that claim to support the free market and like quoting Hayek and Milton Friedman. It looks to me like the Tea Partiers who simply assume they are all on the same side are getting biased policy info from at least some of these supposedly conservative think tanks.

narciso

About what one would expect;


http://weaselzippers.us/2013/09/22/wz-breaking-exec-director-of-cair-michigan-attacks-israeli-special-forces-efforts-to-help-at-nairobi-mall/

Captain Hate on the iPhone

Happy first day of autumn, guys. As my Farcebook frienz know I celebrated the last day of summer (full day; technically it's still summer until 4:44) with a refreshing dip in the Atlantic surf and even rode a few waves; followed by watching Randy Edsall's fine young men slatter the Mountainqueers (I must have used that phrase enough for it to be in my autocorrect). It was a great day to be a Terp.

No FNS report from me today.

Skoot

I've seen two "get to know Al-Shabab" pieces on TV and read the one in my local paper this morning and the words Islam or Muslim are not mentioned once. Weird.

Captain Hate on the iPhone

narc, Dearbornistan is an outpost of the umma.

narciso

That was brutal, shouldn't they have called it off, Roberto Duran style, in the third quarter,

Captain Hate on the iPhone

Nobody was more surprised than I was by the outcome. In the past they've had the roadrunners while we've looked like we're running in sand. A game like that should help recruiting even more.

centralcal

I am so far beyond my disgusted threshold, I don't even know what to say anymore!

Michelle McCormick ‏@TexMex817 9m

Pff “@samsteinhp: Chris Wallace says he got unsolicited oppo research from Republicans when word came out that he was interviewing Ted Cruz”

Old Lurker test

Here is what the WSJ had to say about reversing the illegal ACA grants to Congress and staff:

"The larger mystery is the Republican cone of silence, unless this is merely a conflict between their wallets and their principles, and their wallets won. Advertising to voters that they're for sale for as little as five grand isn't the best way to win an election, but some Members really are that dumb. We hear at a recent House GOP business meeting one Congressman stood up and complained about the hardships of his $174,000 salary, as if he were a line cook at a fast-food restaurant."

Captain Hate on the iPhone

It's time to send the Vichy Repukes packing. Oppo research on your own party? Rope, lamp posts and pencil necks; some assembly required.

narciso

I'm a little unclear on the lingo, but this explanation doesn't seem right:


http://www.ajc.com/feed/sports/maryland-routs-west-virginia-37-0-improves-to-4-0/fWDM6/

Thomas Collins

Without the Tea Party, the Dems would still have the House.

narciso

Oh, heck I forget what publication I was quoting, even the Post is clearer;

Clarice

cc and OL..Wow..Bless the tea party.

And here's how CAIR is buying off pols--overseas donations to tax exempt outfits:http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/21/cair-collects-millions-from-foreign-donors-thanks-to-non-profit-shell-game/

Walter

CH, even I wore my Terps shirt yesterday.

narciso

It's always a scam with them, even though their membership is right up there with CNN's viewer;

pagar101

For those who fit the able description Capt H has listed at 09:55 I support his message.
However we should always remember:
a. Chris Wallace is a ranking member of the leftist propaganda spreaders. He makes his living spreading leftist propaganda.
b. Chris Wallace is a leftist. Leftists lie about every thing. IMO, Chris is not worth watching, reading or listening to because he lies about every thing.

centralcal

pagar: I don't disagree with your overall assessment of Chris Wallace, however, I do not for one minute think he is lying about the "Top Men" in the GOP giving him (solicited, or not) oppo research on Ted Cruz.

Just follow and read the political reporters on OUR side for a few days and you will see this is not a lie by any stretch.

narciso

Reflexive actions like Dr. Strangelove's salute;

http://twitchy.com/2013/09/22/unhinged-ucsf-fundraiser-wishes-death-on-all-obamacare-nonbelievers-nick-searcy-shreds/

Old Lurker test

c. Chris Wallace learned how to dance and spin and lie as a toddler watching his father perfect the choreography.

Danube of Thought

this is merely a conflict between their wallets and their principles, and their wallets won

That's the way I see it.

Jane-Rebel Alliance1

I don't think anyone tunes in for Wallace. We tune in for Cruz.

centralcal

Oh, I agree, OL - not speaking up in defense of Chrissy Wallace one bit.

But, you would be fooling yourself if you think his oppo research was of his own making. Just read, oh let's see, who shall I pick - oh, I know - just read Robert Costa articles at NRO or look him up on Twitter.

You want venom, vendictiveness, nasty aspersions coming from "anonymous" highly placed GOPers? Well, he has plenty of them - in the House, in the Senate, in the "aides" closets, etc. etc. etc.

Danube of Thought

In addition to the 59 slaughtered in Kenya:

Can we go easy on the phrase "religion of peace" today? Of course most Muslims are horrified what may be the biggest slaughter of Christians by Islamists in modern times: at the time of writing, estimates of the number of dead at All Saints' Peshawar are ranging from 60 to 200. These faithful worshippers are the victims, first and foremost, of Islamic fanatics whose psychotic creed is held by a small minority of the world's Muslims.
centralcal

Here you go, a fresh sample:

Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 7m

Emails from House and Sen GOP aides pouring in; furious w/ how Cruz is pressuring McConnell, Boehner to folo his lead

----

Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 1m

Sen aide tells me a dozen+ GOP sens are fuming this am over Cruz making a vote to proceed (CR cloture) seem like support for law they hate

Danube of Thought

Meanwhile in Baghdad:

BAGHDAD (AP) - Two suicide bombers, one in an explosives-laden car and the other on foot, struck a cluster of funeral tents packed with mourning families in a Shiite neighborhood in Baghdad, the deadliest in a string of attacks around Iraq that killed at least 96 people on Saturday.
centralcal

Let me see, wonder who these anonymice aides might work for? You think we could guess the brave powerhouses they are employed by? I am fairly certain McCain and Graham are among their numbers.

Extraneus

So that's how they plan to get Cruz. An inside job.

Democrats tell us who they fear, and Republicans help them take out the threat.

Here's hoping that Cruz kicks all of their asses.

Janet

from narciso's 9:30 link - "From The Investigative Project On Terrorism, our State Department apparently financed Dawud Walid to go to Mali twice, where he spoke about American discrimination against Muslims after 9/11:"

No money at State for Benghazi security though. It is all too sickening...

Thomas Collins

Sunday morning quiz: There are four POTUSes who spent their undergrad years at an institution which a Super Bowl winning QB also attended. Name the POTUSes, the QB and the institutions.

Thomas Collins

Make that the QBs

narciso

Actually he's spelled exactly what his strategy is, it's no secret:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/359173/lapierre-there-werent-enough-good-guys-guns-patrick-brennan#comments

pinkman

Peter King is an insider plotting to kick Cruz's ass?

Et tu, brute.

Jane-Rebel Alliance1

I am fairly certain McCain and Graham are among their numbers.

I'd bet money on that. Graham is being primaried, and neither one of them is on a Sunday show.

OTOH Bill Krystle seems quite optimistic.

Ranger

I think a few of us saw this coming:

Russian offers troops to help remove Syria chemical arms

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24195864

Mr Lavrov told Russian TV that military observers could help Syria destroy its stockpiles under a US-Russian deal.

I think that's called double checkmate.

Danube on iPad

Jimmy Carter, USNA, Roger Staubach
Grover Cleveland, Miami of Ohio, Ben Roethlisberger
Herbert Hoover, Stanford, Jim Plunkett

That's all I've got.

narciso

No Cleveland didn't go to college,

matt

Schieffer has an audioanimatronic Kissinger on, I notice.

Thomas Collins

DOT has won the quiz already.

Does anyone have the fourth combo? Plus, there is another Stanford grad who is a SB QB winner. Does anyone know who that might be?

Danube on iPad

Imagine that Cruz succeeds in defunding. What would the health insurance market look like in mid-October?

I don't think anyone, including Cruz, has any idea, but I would bet my bottom dollar that it will be chaotic. And overnight, instead of the Democrats owning 100% of the chaos, it will become the sole property of the GOP.

Brilliant.

narciso

What is going on here;

http://www.stripes.com/news/us/army-veteran-fighting-in-syria-out-of-jail-after-secret-plea-deal-1.242449

Danube on iPad

Benjamin Harrison, not Grover Cleveland.

jimmyk

Narc's right, Cleveland (one of the all-time great presidents in my opinion) never went to college. It was Benjamin Harrison (yes, I looked it up) who went to Miami of Ohio.

jimmyk

Shoot, DoT beat me.

Imagine that Cruz succeeds in defunding.

But haven't you already asserted that he cannot succeed? So why is this a concern?

I think there is an equally valid concern that if Obamacare goes forth unhindered, it will be considered impossible to repeal, for precisely the reason you say. As bad as it would be, "chaos" would ensue if it were simply repealed. At least I'm sure that will be the argument when the time comes, in any case.

Danube on iPad

"But haven't you already asserted that he cannot succeed?"

Yes. I am merely trying to show how awful an idea it is.

I think if you repeal it as of some future date, say six months after passage, the market could readily adapt to whatever scheme replaces it.

Ranger

Imagine that Cruz succeeds in defunding.

DoT, I don't think the plan is to "succeed in defunding", but rather to demonstrate maximum effort on the part of Republicans to spare Americans from this monstrosity. The best result would be the Dems pulling another procedural trick to keep ObamaCare going, just like the tricks they pulled to get it passed, thereby reminding voters just exactly who and how this entire thing was shoved down the country's throat.

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jimmyk,

I agree. The move by Cruz comes at a propitious moment, with millions of letters going out stating, "no, you can't keep your plan and by the way, your budget for insurance is short by 50%". IMO, it's an excellent kickoff move for 2014.

Thomas Collins

Sorry. My son had corrected me that it was Harrison, not Cleveland, but I guess I'm still fixated on Cleveland.

The easiest one for me was Carter/US Naval Academy/Staubach. The toughest one is the one noone has gotten yet (although for a New England resident it should be easy).

Thomas Collins

Make that the toughest one for me.

Danube on iPad

"it's an excellent kickoff move for 2014"

Provided that it fails. So I'm hoping that enough Republicans vote for cloture if it comes to that.

jimmyk

Wouldn't that be Brady, Michigan, Gerald Ford?

narciso

Well I had to research this, because it's not my field, but either of the Bushes and Ken Hill, from Yale

Thomas Collins

Jimmyk has it. Ken Hill, to my knowledge, was not a Super Bowl winning QB.

Hint on the other Stanford individual: Baseball scouts thought he could have had a Major League Baseball career.

Extraneus

Why not a failed cloture vote, followed by a compromise such as Clarice's plan?

"We'll agree to fund this monstrosity in order to keep the government functioning, but the law *must* apply to all Americans, not just the unlucky ones who aren't favored friends of the Administration."

Danube on iPad

John Elway of Stanford won two SB's.

jimmyk

I think if you repeal it as of some future date, say six months after passage, the market could readily adapt to whatever scheme replaces it.

I would be concerned that the longer it is in place, the harder it will be to get rid of. It seems unlikely to be repealed before January 2017. It will have been in place more than three years by then. There will be a lot invested in it, and lots of vested interests.

I keep having this vision of the time when I was a kid, and I read somewhere that if you are getting bitten by a mosquito, don't kill it, just let it finish its meal, and then you won't get the itchy bite. So I tried it, and watched a mosquito on my arm for about 30 seconds (but it seemed like an hour) until I couldn't take it any more, killed it, and got the biggest welt I'd ever had.

Thomas Collins

That's the one. Elway. As with DOT, Plunkett came to my mind before Elway, even though Elway had the more prominent career.

narciso

It was a scam worthy of Bialystok and Bloom;


http://twitchy.com/2013/09/21/health-insurers-to-customers-if-you-like-your-plan-you-can-keep-nah-youre-screwed/

crazy

Once upon a time the huffing and puffing took place in committee hearings and floor debates now it's a TV debate while a chosen few cut deals in private designed for last minute up or down votes.

The "Audacity of Cruz" is forcing everyone to show their hand and stand with the public or stand with the oligarchs who profit from and exempt themselves from the requirements they levy on the rest of us.

Gmax

I guess it was a different time and place, but I grew being regaled by the stories in Profiles in Courage, where principled unpopular stands were taken. Here we are talking about principaled popular stands, and we have Vichy in our own foxhole. No wonder the Democrats win, they don't have to worry about backstabbing.

Danube on iPad

"It seems unlikely to be repealed before January 2017."

It can't be, and it will be tough to do then. But it's the only chance we have. My expectation is that it will prove so inconvenient, confusing and expensive to so many people that the repeal will be a winning issue in both 2014 and 2016.

caro

So that's how they plan to get Cruz. An inside job.

Ex, I think that is it. Disgusting.

Danube on iPad

Cruz isn't going to lose because of backstabbing. He's going to lose because the Democrats control the Senate.

narciso


well this can't go wrong;


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/09/22/russian-embassy-in-damascus-hit-by-mortar-round/

(A) nuther Bub

If it's in place for six months we will have it forever. We are likely to have it forever in any case, but as my friend, blogger R.L. Laird says (in a wonderful column LUN) if this be our Thermopylae then let us at least be part of the 300, fighting to the last man against this disaster. If we don't take this stand, against legislation that makes us serfs of the state forever, what stand will there be left to take?

narciso

We expect that from the Democrats, it's in their nature, we've come not to be surprised for this from Republicans however,

Cecil Turner

Imagine that Cruz succeeds in defunding. What would the health insurance market look like in mid-October?

I find this one of the most convoluted (and least persuasive) arguments against defunding yet. Surely gutting the most onerous bit of legislation in recent memory is worth a bit of disruption, no? Or is the GOP so afraid of winning a political fight that it refuses to engage?

4JIB2

I guess I don't understand this Cruz versus the world issue we are discussing.

I have been following most of you for the last 5 or 6 years and as a consensus everyone complains about the white toga, top men, Duke and Duke led party of stupid because of its tendency to roll over and hide.

Now we get a few gutsy non-organizational mavericks (unlike the RINO maverick) and we seem to be going all kerflumpt over their audacity to stand up and be counted instead of "sheltering in place" like the Peter Kings of the world.

So what is it, continue to follow the top men of Duke and Duke or to support the resistance inherit in men like Cruz, Lee, Rubio, et.al. Me I am with the rebels on this - what more damage can they do that the current light-weight cowardice of the GOP has already done. Remember it was the Tea Party that delivered in 2010 not the GOP leadership. That IMHO is what happened in 2012, they stayed home because they saw that their agenda for reshaping our national politic was abandoned by the Duke and Duke crowd in Congress. Now, with the Cruz/Lee nexus they see some leadership light at the end of the dark, dark tunnel.

Cecil Turner

Cruz isn't going to lose because of backstabbing. He's going to lose because the Democrats control the Senate.

The GOP is going to lose because of backstabbing. And if they don't stop it soon, they're going to lose big.

Thomas Collins

Re disruption: I suspect that if Team Barry agreed to a suspension of Barrycare until January 20, 2017 (with the tax provisions suspended until taxable years beginning on or after January 1, 2017), Cruz, Lee and the house GOP would agree to that. Then there would be no worries about no appropriations for the law, bacause the law wouldn't be in effect.

pinkman

Cruz versus the World.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/38/Th%25C3%25ADch_Qu%25E1%25BA%25A3ng_%25C4%2590%25E1%25BB%25A9c_self-immolation.jpg&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thich_Quang_Duc&h=333&w=512&sz=33&tbnid=7iYCDNsP16XhgM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=138&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dpic%2Bbuddhist%2Bmonk%2Bon%2Bfire%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=pic+buddhist+monk+on+fire&usg=__WrKuGY5lj0z4eicORlIurUfJyJ8=&docid=vxWnyqK8v2sECM&sa=X&ei=5Bw_UsLIBaiQiQKVtYDoCQ&ved=0CC0Q9QEwAA">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/38/Th%25C3%25ADch_Qu%25E1%25BA%25A3ng_%25C4%2590%25E1%25BB%25A9c_self-immolation.jpg&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thich_Quang_Duc&h=333&w=512&sz=33&tbnid=7iYCDNsP16XhgM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=138&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dpic%2Bbuddhist%2Bmonk%2Bon%2Bfire%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=pic+buddhist+monk+on+fire&usg=__WrKuGY5lj0z4eicORlIurUfJyJ8=&docid=vxWnyqK8v2sECM&sa=X&ei=5Bw_UsLIBaiQiQKVtYDoCQ&ved=0CC0Q9QEwAA">http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/38/Th%25C3%25ADch_Qu%25E1%25BA%25A3ng_%25C4%2590%25E1%25BB%25A9c_self-immolation.jpg&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thich_Quang_Duc&h=333&w=512&sz=33&tbnid=7iYCDNsP16XhgM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=138&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dpic%2Bbuddhist%2Bmonk%2Bon%2Bfire%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=pic+buddhist+monk+on+fire&usg=__WrKuGY5lj0z4eicORlIurUfJyJ8=&docid=vxWnyqK8v2sECM&sa=X&ei=5Bw_UsLIBaiQiQKVtYDoCQ&ved=0CC0Q9QEwAA

narciso

This is an interesting twist, that didn't really come to light;


http://shoebat.com/2013/09/21/pickering-asked-benghazi-botched-kidnapping-plot/

pinkman

Wow. whattalink.

this should work.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/06/fiftieth-anniversary-of-vietnamese-monk-setting-himself-on-fire/

4JIB2

narciso,

My position on the ARB has always been an "officially sanctioned coverup". House testimony only solidifies that view.

The two main reasons for the attack are kidnapping Stevens for ransom of the blind sheik or an Iranian sponsored attack to kill off the CIA gun running, MANPAD hunting program to help out Assad.

narciso

Well that's a given, JiB, but the interesting part was what Pickering inadvertently admitted,

narciso

The future Dr. Evil's and Norma Desmond's no doubt;


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/22/Palin-to-Chris-Wallace-Release-Names-of-Top-Republicans-Who-Encouraged-You-to-Trash-Cruz

Clarice

DoT, I anticipate however the mess hits, the lofos and media will blame the Republicans. As for the backstabbers, I expect they are being overrun and don't like it. Ms Lindsey has already rolled over toward Cruz and i wouldn't bet that weak Senate Dems won't either. If Cruz fails, I seriously hope the House Dems take my advice. I'm sure there are a few other thumbs on the scale they can dispose of but they should keep it simple and clean:No more big graft anf no crony govt.

Jane-Rebel Alliance1

When you think about it, defunding is the same as postponing, because the budget is temporary.

I also agree that the next move should be to outlaw exemptions. More than anything else Congress operates on self interest.

Old Lurker test

"most onerous bit of legislation in recent memory"

Cecil, I would be hard pressed to understand why we should not replace "recent memory" with "since the Founding".

centralcal

I agree with (Another) Bub, except I would say "to the last man and woman..."

centralcal

Holy airbrush, Batman!!!! Indeed.

Dan McLaughlin ‏@baseballcrank 58m

Holy airbrush, Batman! RT @justinjm1: .@nymag's Hillary Clinton cover pic.twitter.com/hbYWkk0qjH

and as another Twitterer said, no wonder Hillary's people deleted a natural picture of her taken last week.

centralcal

Sorry - lost the link

here it is: https://twitter.com/justinjm1/status/381763887437074432/photo/1

Jane-Rebel Alliance1

The first woman president (or first anything) cannot be a democrat. Every criticism will be tied to: "You hate women" and that is really bad for the country.

(I'm pretty sure that won't sell.)

narciso

Paul Krugman hardest hit;

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-22/merkel-wins-as-fdp-losses-leave-ally-unclear-exit-polls-show.html

Sbwaters

Palin-to-Chris-Wallace-Release-Names-of-Top-Republicans-Who-Encouraged-You-to-Trash-Cruz

Of course not. That's why Schumer Democrats are pushing the MSM protection law as if they were in favor of freedom of the press.

They support their press.

narciso

Well he did get around to it, between puts;


President Obama called President Kenyatta of Kenya this morning to express condolences to the government and people of Kenya for the terrorist attack carried out by al-Shabaab yesterday on the Westgate Shopping Mall in Nairobi. President Obama reiterated U.S. support for Kenya’s efforts to bring the perpetrators of the attack to justice. The President also reaffirmed the strong and historic partnership between the United States and Kenya as well as our shared commitment to combating terrorism and promoting peace and prosperity in East Africa and around the world.

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GOP Cloture Crossover Team

McCain
Snowe
Murkowski
Kirk
Ayotte
Grassley

Other nominees?

narciso

As reliable like Olympic syncronized swimming Rick.

DebinNC

Snowe retired last year iirc, but Grahamnesty is still on the team.

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