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MarkO

Ooops. Just a random impulse.

NK(withnewsoftware)

NRO does a nice quick summary of the Dem chaos and panic over ObummerCare.

DoT-- congrats, you called the collapse of ObummerCare, and it's happening even faster tan you predicted back in September 2013. Bravo Zulu.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/366815/wh-about-hold-fire-sale-obamacare-grace-marie-turner

NK(withnewsoftware)

Also from NRO-- the Obamaniacs are NOT going to collect any 'taxes' from any UN insured in 2014. Mais bien sur-- there are elections in November 2014. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/366841/wh-official-wont-say-if-anyone-will-pay-mandate-penalty-2014-andrew-johnson

Bob

So. The insurers just got hosed as they cry bitter tears over a lost captive market.

peter

Having Obama as President is like having a substitute teacher and no meds for the unruly kids. Chaos.

peter

has anyone done the google crossword today. I finished but I don't see twelve, I see eight. what am I missing?

Rick Ballard

The fascist insurers will not be hosed unless the repeal bill repudiates payment under the corridor scheme. They are now justified in levying even greater premium increases for 2015 by the President's action in totally poisoning the pool. It doesn't matter that the Invincible Drunks and Sluts pool was a rainbow unicorn fantasy to begin with, based solely upon CBO projections and Census data which never made even fleeting contact with reality.

I fervently wish the fascist insurers were trying to digest this bowling ball but they're not.

NK(withnewsoftware)

Bob-- yes. The whole thing has ended in tears -- for the INDIVIDUAL Mandate. In 2014, the Group Plan debacle unfolds, employees lose insurance, other have rate increases and higher deductibles. This Dem Holy Grail is turning into a poisoned chalice.

NK(withnewsoftware)

But Rick-- will State Ins Commisions (especiall Red State Commissions) approve rate increases for the Big Gov Insurers based on Exchange Care loses?, or will the Commissions say "not my problem". Repeal the Risk Corridors bailouts, and the Big Gov Ins will drop ExchangeCare entirely IMO.

NK(withnewsoftware)

for the Dems....

Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet

Whatever you think of Roberts's reasoning, one positive effect of the NFIB decision is to make libs and Dems (but I repeat myself) own entirely the piece of excrement known as ObamaCare. This makes its implosion that much more satisfying. And it serves as an example of all the bad things that happen when the idiots put a bloated bureaucracy in charge of 1/6 of the economy. Its collapse may well be a gift that keeps on giving.

Prayers for all of the extended JOM gang undergoing recuperation, serious illness or thorny family issues.

MarkO

Hearts will soar like the hawk:
__________


Washington (CNN) – Fourteen points.

That's how far President Barack Obama's poll numbers fell in CNN polling over the course of what's been an especially tough year.

Obama's approval rating stands at 41% in a new CNN/ORC International survey released Friday, which matches the all-time low he fell to in CNN polling just last month. The President's disapproval rating remains unchanged at 56%, which is an all-time high in CNN surveys.

peter

Yes, prayers for all of our JOM friends going through their health issues. For some reason, several people I know, a friend and a coworker I am close to, and another coworker, and a neighbor are also going through some frightening times on the medical front. Seems like when it rains it pours.

jimmyk on iPad

" You toddled over to the screen, hot chocolate in hand, and spent a bunch of money on something you didn’t want. Now there are a bunch of people who get a much cheaper option– so why don’t you?"

The 20-somethings always had the option to get these bare-bones policies.

Beasts of England

'...significantly relaxed the rules...'

No. Unilaterally changed the settled law of the land.

peter

in the middle of the night.

rich@gmu

while on his way to Hawaii...

Comanche Voter

The real problem here is that there has been and will continue to be a lot of collateral damage. People with serious health issues that were covered under their now cancelled insurance policies had spent a lot of time setting up medical treatment arrangements. They had their doctors, they had their hospitals etc and a generally satisfactory protocol of treatment had been worked out.

Now Obama has lobbed a "t@rd" in the punchbowl and destroyed those arrangements. Those people are going to have to scramble to set things up again--and it's not likely that all--or even most of them--will be able to do it in a satisfactory fashion.

So you ask yourself--WTF was this all about? Metaphorically we handed the steering of an 18 wheeler truck to someone with the abilities of a 3 month old toddler--and now we're surprised when the truck crashes?

Old Lurker

Do there even exist state approved Catastrophe Insurance plans ready to accept incoming applicants for effective dates of Jan 1?

rich@gmu

OL-

I would say no. His last fix on the fly was still being digested (and a number of states declined).

Captain Hate

Whatever you think of Roberts's reasoning, one positive effect of the NFIB decision is to make libs and Dems (but I repeat myself) own entirely the piece of excrement known as ObamaCare.

He was the last real chance to avert this disaster before people started getting screwed. Now there's no easy way to get rid of it. I'm not optimistic that Repub control of everything will do it. Certainly the free spending bunch from 2000 to 2006 wouldn't.

Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself

"3. Today, the administration agreed with a group of senators, led by Mark Warner of Virginia, who argued that having your insurance plan canceled counted as “an unexpected natural or human-caused event.” For these people, in other words, Obamacare itself is the hardship."

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/12/19/white-house-continues-to-dismantle-obamacare-temporarily-suspend-individual-mandate-for-people-who-had-their-plans-cancelled/

matt

Obama is more fickle than Justin Bieber.

Right now we cannot rely on the states that have implemented Obamacare to do anything at all whatever their color. They are reaping huge windfalls for having signed up; windfalls that end abruptly in a couple of years.

But by then it will be someone else's problem.

God help the state legislators who are going to be inundated with calls from angry constituents. The ripples of this turd dropped in the punchbowl are going to be splashing over the edges like a tsunami.

Old Lurker

Janet I saw your Sen Warner in the center seat last night and was reminded once again how far the state has come from the days of Madison, Jefferson, and Washington.

I am so sick of these Senators who vote for XYZ then come out to say "I just introduced a bill to fix XYZ". Courage would be voting against it when it mattered.

These guys have perfected the converse of the old definition of character being "doing the right thing when nobody is looking".

rich@gmu

Janet-

wish that jackass would have thought of that before now.

CH-

and they will be working so hard on amnesty (oh look our next nominee just signed off on in state tuition bill for illegals, in private) all this ACA unpleasantness will be ignored.

pagarnow

Clarice and all who are under stress, we add to our prayers.

narciso

Robert's makes too overly creative alumni of Tribe, his 'floor wax and desert topping' entree clearly didn't work, but it's long since Andromeda, although drinking sterno might resolve the problem

Old Lurker

...and Mason too of course.

Sorry Rich.

Captain Hate

oh look our next nominee just signed off on in state tuition bill for illegals, in private

Fat Boy is really getting Top Men all jiggy with that. Meanwhile Fred Barnes, who is usually very lucid, has an article in Rupert's Gazette praising Paul Ryan and talking about what a brilliant move immigration reform will be. I think I'll go out to the garage and start chugging paint thinner.

Captain Hate

Sterno, paint thinner; it's all the same.

Old Lurker

BTW, Rich. Stay in school and get your degree. Folks with your POV and GPA need to do that.

narciso

Well the reference was to the mutating virus, and which apparently couldn't exist in either too base or too acid an environment,

Prayers for all Jomer' and kin,

Sheryl Atkinson is still uncovering glitches, we were not informed about at the time,

peter

You know what is really scary. I understand narciso's 1:32.

Danube on iPad

Thanks, NK, but I didn't realize I had predicted a collapse. I think I predicted chaos, which we now have in spades, but I am at a loss to know what form the final unraveling will take. Remember, unless and until it is repealed, the law remains on the books, and there seems to be no way to stop these bastards from modifying it when and how they choose.

NK(withnewsoftware)

You guys.. you are trying to make sense of this 'fix' and the 'hardship' and 'catastrophic plan option' and 'state approved plans'. THERE IS NO SENSE!! The Obamaniacs are making this up day by day. This is now a law about NOTHING (H/T Seinfeld Show) The only thing left of ObummerCare is the MediCaid Expansion, and high-income Medicare/MediCaid payroll tax increases. Tax the 'rich' and give to healthcare and give to healthcare Unions. That's all Obummer knows and cares about. Getting his healthcare worker UNION peeps paid, is all he cares about.

clarice

Thanks again.
Comanche..exactly..And those who signed up for overpriced plans, including pj boys' audience, have to be really angry at this point. I'd bet most of them were Obama supporters to start with--everyone else avoided it.

Old Lurker

Probably not a good idea to drink that paint thinner. Old Frank who used to do odd jobs for my parents and grandparents used to say if you strained the used thinner through a particularly dirty rag into a rusted tin can and let it soak in for a certain number of minutes then you could drink it just fine.

In the end I do think he died from it and was blind at the time. And while I thought he was old as the hills, he was probably 40. It was probably the lead that was in the used thinner, don't you think?

Which is why I stick to Tanqueray Ten from new bottles I suspect.

NK(withnewsoftware)

Peter-- Sterno? paint thinner? that 1:32 comment is complete Greek to me.

NK(withnewsoftware)

Old Frank-- RIP.

rich@gmu

ole' George gets no respect...

Thanks OL. Probably will-working through the good, the bad, and the ugly right now-a pinch of each. One surprise is that I did manage to maintain 40 hrs a week (40.16 actually) at work with the course load I took.

Old Lurker

Peter "You know what is really scary. I understand narciso's 1:32."

Ha! I was just at the Urban Dictionary looking up "Beeks Treatment" and it occurred to me that before Narc I had never even been to urbandictionary.com .

NK(withnewsoftware)

DoT-- chaos is the predicate to ACA collapse. My dream remains that the Dems sponsor a Repeal Bill, and Obummer Keeps vetoing BI Partisan Repeal in 2015/2016.

narciso

'I apologize unreservably' about that, savaged by a guerilla was the general gist of things,

peter

It's like the stewardess who speaks ebonics...

NK(withnewsoftware)

...actually it was passenger Barbara Billingsley speaking 'jive'.

Old Lurker

Hey, don't apologize, Narciso, I have learned so much after I figured out where to look up the words. Why just yesterday Rush was making fun of some device that Jennifer Lawrence was talking about on TV which Rush thought maybe should have embarrassed a normal person, and while the term seemed pretty self descriptive, I confess I had to look it up just to be sure. Then having done that, I had to wash my hands three times and erase the history in my browser.

jimmyk

Remember, unless and until it is repealed, the law remains on the books

Barry has established that the law can be modified at the whim of the President, that laws need not be enforced, and that laws not passed can be enforced. So we just need to elect someone President who is willing to declare the ACA null and void, or simply not enforce it.

peter

nk, apparently one of the scientists in the Andromeda strain drank sterno as a hobby..

Narc, I hope you understand I was just having some fun, and


really, Mrs. Cleaver?

rich@gmu

My thoughts and prayers to everyone here at JOM suffering health issues or trying to heal and to those grieving for loved ones.

NK(withnewsoftware)

JimmyK-- it truly is the Seifeldian Law about Nothing. The "Law" is a complete and utter disgrace; If we can't rout the Dems out of the Senate in '14, I may begin to become a pessimist about that 'a republic if you can keep it' line by Ben Franklin.

rich@gmu

peter-yes. spoke jive fluently.

the king will address his subjects...and late...

NK(withnewsoftware)

Sterno-- ah. Actually, in Andromeda Strain the town drunk drank 'sterno' with aspirin, and that combination changed his body chemistry, so that he was only one of 2 Town survivors of the interstellar infection, the other survivor was a colicy baby whose non stop crying had a similar body chemistry effect.

Jane

I'm reading what TM wrote, and someone on TV is suddenly reading the exact same thing, about 4 words behind.

NK(withnewsoftware)

Airplane (1980)-- 2 most shocking moments to my system, when I saw it first run in Fresh Meadows Queens, N.Y. were 1. the little girl asking for coffee, taking it black; and 2. the Otto Pilot being reinflated. I still have scar tissue where I burst a gut laughing at those. (I believe I was decrting the 'sewer culture' yesterday-- oh well, I am not a slave to the Hobgoblins of consistent minds!)

James D.

I feel sick:

In a case eerily similar to David Eckert's humiliating ordeal at the hands of cops in Deming, New Mexico, a federal lawsuit charges U.S. Border Patrol agents with subjecting a U.S. citizen to six hours of degrading and fruitless body cavity searches based on an alleged alert by a drug-sniffing dog.

(full article here: http://reason.com/blog/2013/12/19/drug-warriors-kidnap-and-sexually-assaul)

Yet again, a hospital was involved, and licensed medical professionals eagerly participated n the violation of an innocent citizen - without even a search warrant, this time - and billed her for it afterwards.

This is happening (or at least coming to light) more and more, and it has to stop. A job in law enforcement is not a goddamn license to basically rape whomever crosses your path if the whim strikes. Not even if you think they might be - gasp! - hiding a ounce or two of pot somewhere on their person.

I wish I knew what we as citizens could do to actually see this madness end. It's not as though either the Republicans or the Democrats seem to have any problem with this, either at the Federal, or the state level.

Who is there to vote for who actually cares about the privacy and dignity of citizens, or protecting them from abuse at the hands of the government? Anyone?

Charlie Martin

nk, apparently one of the scientists in the Andromeda strain drank sterno as a hobby..

It was the old wino that was one of the two survivors -- he and the constantly crying baby were both acidotic.

Yes, it *does* kinda worry me that I haven't read it in 20 years and still remember the details.

Old Lurker

Chaco! How's the weight thing going?

NK(withnewsoftware)

Chaco-- I remember reading that bit in Andromeda Strain Junior High cafeteria in November 1971(?). Boy am I old.

Gmax

Zero back down to 40% approval with Adults in Gallup. He needs to hide out on a deserted Hawaiian island for awhile and see if that improves his approval ratings. My guess, not gonna happen, he is now an incompetent liar and will remain so as long as he shall live.

NK(withnewsoftware)

Gmax-- it looks like his ratings have stabilized in that 38-40% approval and 55-57% DISapproval. The only way I see it going lower is when the Group Plan cancellations start next summer. But he may very well stay in Hawaii this time.

peter

Chaco, may your weight go down like Obama's approval polling!

jimmyk

Andrew Sullivan (can't remember his JOM moniker) inadvertently stumbles into reality regarding Phil Robertson:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/12/19/andrew-sullivan-i-m-befuddled-firing-phil-robertson

peter

I think it's bareback

peter

Obama just said at his presser that he'll have better ideas after some sleep and sun, because he's so exhausted, you see.

NK(withnewsoftware)

I use Andy Pandy.

Has Andy Pandy's Leftwing 'readership' moved on and the click revenue run dry? Is he making nice to Christian America to sell us some pixels for our clicks?

Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet

Apparently, even the redoubtable JOMers who listen to His Royal Heiney and report the latest gems to us can't stomach today's snoozer.

Frau Lotterie

Hi, Chaco! Frohe Weihnachten!

Pres. Jive Ass has invaded TV *again* and I had hoped for a few hours without his attempts at soothing the nation while giving us the precision shaft.

Frau Lotterie

Jim Rhoads - I am *not* listening, and I avert my eyes from the room where His Royal Heiney is droning "own and own and own."

rich@gmu

hummm...his Carter at Camp David moment. will he summon eminent persons to give him advice...

Ranger

Another take on things:

Obamacare Initiates Self-Destruction Sequence

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-20/obamacare-initiates-self-destruction-sequence.html

Just a taste:

However incoherent these fixes may seem, they send two messages, loud and clear. The first is that although liberal pundits may think that the law is a done deal, impossible to repeal, the administration does not believe that. The willingness to take large risks with the program’s stability indicates that the administration thinks it has a huge amount to lose -- that the White House is in a battle for the program’s very existence, not a few marginal House and Senate seats.

The next humiliation is when ObamaCo has to postpone the entire individual mandate sometime in the mid-January to Mid February time frame.

NK(withnewsoftware)

I stand corrected-- Jack Lew says that Treasury's 'extraordinary measures' won't extend borrowing past February. I had projected that they could go until April. The OPM Borrowing well is running dry. I hope, and expect, that Repubs will use the Debt extension for ObummerCare repeals of Bailouts and waivers as a condition for an extension until SEPTEMBER. If Obummer wants debt pushed back after November? Entitlement Cuts have to be agreed to by Dems. http://www.moneynews.com/newswidget/Treasury-Lew-Debt-Ceiling/2013/12/19/id/542920?promo_code=FC2D-1&utm_source=NRMN&utm_medium=nmwidget&utm_campaign=widgetphase1

rich@gmu

another issue is when the gaping security flaws are exposed by blackhat hackers sometime between Christmas and New Years. Seems it was taken down sometime today and word is getting out that the security holes haven't been fixed.

At least Obama will be tanned, rested, and ready for the bad news once he gets back to DC.

Jane

Gawd he is a slimebucket.

Beasts of England

Damn you Thai pad!

@OL: Have you ever tried Tanqueray Malacca gin? Seems to go down pretty well on the golf course...

NK(withnewsoftware)

"At least Obama will be tanned, rested, and ready for the bad news once he gets back to DC."

Will he come back? I mean he won't want to-- he hates bad news. And the DC Dems don't want him to come back until after November. He might stay on the road.

Beasts of England

Pres. Jive Ass has invaded TV *again* and I had hoped for a few hours without his attempts at soothing the nation while giving us the precision shaft.

Beautiful, Frau. Beautiful.

rich@gmu

NK-

Maybe he could take an extended vacation home...Indonesia, Kenya....[[whistling]]

Frau Steingehirn

Obama phone
Obama mortgage
Obama bucks
Obama care
Obama dope
Why not?

Massachusetts State Police on Friday confiscated 1,250 bags of heroin during a traffic stop -- and many of the bags were labeled "Obama care."

NK(withnewsoftware)

Well the Obamaniacs' attempt to destroy the US Military as a fightingforce contunes "Full Speed Ahead", I give you the new CNO: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-20/black-woman-named-to-a-top-u-s-navy-job-says-wimps-fail.html

Frau Steingehirn

Joe the Plumber asks, "Will Jack Lew have to give up part of his cheese sandwich and apple to someone else?"

NK(withnewsoftware)

This is the Obama 2014 meme-- the economy, the Economy THE ECONOMY!!! http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-20/obama-says-u-s-economy-poised-for-breakthrough-year-.html

Heh, Ha, Hah, HAH HAH HAHHH!!!!

2Jack is Back4!

77F today and we may break the December record on Sunday during the Jags game - 84F. Today is Global Warming Appreciation day celebrated in earnest by the Chamber of Commerce, Realtors and Surf shops along the First Coast.

Now to read the thread and see whas up!

jimmyk

Forecast of 69 in NYC on Sunday. But raining.

Free State Paul

I am of the opinion that ObamaCare is proceeding exactly as planned. In another year or so, the insurance industry will be in tatters, doctors and hospitals will be bankrupted, and the consumers will be completely frustrated and confused. When all is chaos, Obama will announce a "special state of health care emergency" and roll out a universal, single-payer plan, with premiums deducted from your paycheck.

Beasts of England

The biggest economic retard on the planet says we're poised for a breakthrough? Pardon my French, but how the fuck would that moron know? How the fuck can someone who couldn't plot a demand curve to save his boyfriend make that fucking statement.

Have a nice day.

NK(withnewsoftware)

Megan McArdle slowly easing her Lib Playpen Pals to the reality that ObummerCare has begun 'self-destruct sequence' and it will kill the Dems as well. Embrace the suck Megan, Embrace it: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-20/obamacare-initiates-self-destruction-sequence.html

NK(withnewsoftware)

BOE@3:40-- just about covers Obama as economic forecaster.

Beasts of England

Had lunch with my daughters, who are huge Duck Dynasty fans. The uproar from them and their peers is so wonderful that I can hardly express it. As I've said here several times before: there are large swaths of young folk who 'get it' and will help lead our country back from the abyss that the vulgar left has wrought.

Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself

I didn't watch it....but here's a bit via Drudge -

http://www.nationaljournal.com/white-house/obama-s-last-press-conference-of-the-year-got-feisty-20131220

"On Obamacare, the president allowed he'd made mistakes when it came to the health care rollout. "Even though I was meeting every other week, every three weeks with folks and emphasizing how important it was that consumers have a good experience …"

Who? What folks? Name the folks.

The questions looked worthless too -
"Was this the worst year of your presidency?"

"My question is, do you have any personal regrets?"

???? What a waste of time to ask such broad useless questions.

NK(withnewsoftware)

BOE@3:40 is so funny on so many levels, a Grad School course could be taught on that one comment.

NK(withnewsoftware)

Janet-- c'mon, if they ask any real questions, they'd lose their Journolist secret decoder ring.

narciso,

It will go 'Voom' like the Norwegian Blue, 'what kind of tree would you be;

Frau Steingehirn

"Who? What folks? Name the folks."

Janet, maybe the fisters who always look forward to a good experience.

MarkO

Frau,

Wash your keyboard out with soap. Naughty.

I love it.

Beasts of England

Frau esta en fuego!

Jane

Massachusetts State Police on Friday confiscated 1,250 bags of heroin during a traffic stop -- and many of the bags were labeled "Obama care."

I drove by a white pick-up truck this afternoon that had a huge Obama logo on each door.

I almost crashed.

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