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narciso

one of Rove's lieutenants in the hush the tea party effort, Scott Reed, of the victorious Dole campaign, sarc, says in the Journal piece, 'no losing candidates' well that's a tautology,

Gus

Karl Rove has jumped the shark. In fact, he may have EATEN the shark.

Ignatz

--In reaction to ObamaCare, GOP political divisions are giving way to unity.--

Didn't we just read that his bunch and the CoC are making efforts and spending dough to ensure centrist Repukes win their primaries?
Isn't that kinda the opposite of "giving way to unity" which sounds somewhat like a spontaneous blossoming meadow rather than a smoking battlefield?

Captain Hate

Rove has been given more credibility than he deserves by the left in both parties. Fools keep giving him money despite his pathetic record of making landslides close and getting smoked by anybody with a fighting chance.

Gus

Capn' he's a dork. He once mattered. long long time ago.

Ignatz

The 60 and 40 watt incandescent go the way of the 100 and 75 watters January 1st.
Comically, 150 and 200 watters are still available although if their sales double they will also probably be axed.

Anyone tried any of the halogens which look just like incandescents?

narciso

Rove, really doesn't understand why people turn out, it's not a surprise he wasn't a protege of Atwater, Dr. Evil was his, Rollins once knew but he forgot along the way,

Ignatz

God! Never mind. I just checked the bulbs I bought last week and they're halogens.
Send in the clowns.

rich@gmu

>>>Didn't we just read that his bunch and the CoC are making efforts and spending dough to ensure centrist Repukes win their primaries?<<<

Yes we did.

>>>mark-steyn-why-does-obama-get-a-pass-for-sending-a-stuntman-to-sign-him-up-for<<<

figure the story of the sign up is a lie...a real fake turkey!

Threadkiller

"Republican strategist Karl Rove on Saturday complained that President Barack Obama had “never said thank you” when GOP hopeful Mitt Romney acknowledged he was a U.S. citizen."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/26/rove-obama-never-said-thank-you-when-romney-admitted-he-was-born-in-u-s/

Danube on iPad

"Isn't that kinda the opposite of 'giving way to unity.'"

Indeed it is. Just as is every Tea Party effort to primary an incumbent.

I say it's all quite healthy. Let the best man or woman win in the primaries. And when the primaries are over, let's keep all our guns pointed outside the tent.

Gus

Tea Party effort to primary an incumbent.

Danube, I think you mean Conservative effort to primary RINO's.

Threadkiller

Steyn vs "the rinky dink technicalities". It never gets old watching Steyn step in it.

daddy

...2316...2317...2318...

Ignatz

--I say it's all quite healthy.--

Me too. But then we're not political brain trusts who feel the need to use "unity" euphemisms for bare knuckle fights.

daddy

Before this thread gets too far, can I get a quick refresher on the latest nicknames for Karl "Poppin fresh" Rove, so that I don't get lost in Vizinnidom?

I've misplaced my JOM nickname decoder ring:)

Danube on iPad

"Danube, I think you mean Conservative effort to primary RINO's."

Sure. Semantic difference only. I advocate voting for the GOP primary winner against the Dem - regardless. If I lived in the appropriate states I'd have voted for O'Donnell, Angle and Akin, even though I though I thought it was stupid to nominate them.

boatbuilder

Hey, DoT. The Tea Party never said anything about "Unity." If you agree that the effort should be about achieving what best advances actual goals and principles, then you should agree that Rove's highly publicized attacks on the base advance exactly the opposite.
And if he really feels that every alleged Republican attacked as insufficiently conservative will win then he should welcome our opposition. Which he will get. "Ask and ye shall receive."
As someone who once respected Rove for doing what he could to elect a conservative in a hostile environment, I now consider him a contributor to and fomentor of that hostile environment.

Captain Hate

Poppin' Fresh is Ed Morrisey.

boatbuilder

Did you think it was stupid for the party elites to attack and denigrate them?

Captain Hate

Dick Lugar, Mike Castle, Lisa Murkowski and Charlie Crist didn't feel compelled to endorse their victorious primary opponents. Can anybody recall a defeated conservative incumbent who behaved in such a high handed manner?

daddy

Poppin' Fresh is Ed Morrisey!?!

.

Scott

Mr. Compassionate Conservative himself predicted the GOP would be in control for a generation -- just before losing the House, Senate, and Presidency to Democrats. Furthermore, he helped the GOP lose Senate seats and blamed it on conservatives.

The sooner he goes away the better off the GOP will be.

Gus

Let's vote for the RINO'S again. Just BECAUSE!!!!

Gus

I'm voting for the RINO most likely to succeed!!!

Ignatz

Hilarious segue @ 11:42 daddy.

daddy

Gus,

Guitar chord question. Is a D5+ the same as a D+5?

I ask because we watched Fred Astaire in Top Hat last night
where he did Irving Berlin's "Isn't this a lovely day," and in the chord sheet I googled up for the song it has both at different places.

FWIW I love Tony Bennett's version of this tune with Ralph Sharon from about 20 years back. (Couldn't find a less nutty website version to link-sorry).

Gus

Yes Daddy. Same chord.
A nice chord by the way.

rich@gmu

still waiting for that box of coal.

boricuafudd

There's the conundrum vote for a RINO or not vote and help the other team.

What to do, what to do?

Gus

Vote for the RINO when the Rino is the best choice. It's the SHIT SANDWICH PRINCIPLE.
Do you eat the SHIT SANDWICH or do you have a sip of the GLASS of PEE.

If you choose NOT to decide, you STILL have made a CHOICE.

daddy

Hilarious segue...daddy

daddy

Thanks Gus,

That definitely helps for we guitar semi-literates.

Danube on iPad

"Can anybody recall a defeated conservative incumbent who behaved in such a high handed manner?"

Not at the moment, but my point is not that RINO primary losers are not ungracious assholes as compared with conservative primary losers. My point is simply that, whoever wins the primary between the two factions, it is enormously preferable to vote for that candidate in the general election rather than stay home.

I can think of no instance today where it would be preferable to have any Dem in office over any Republican. There are any number of Republicans who make me retch. I would not want a single one of them replaced by any living Democrat.

boricuafudd

I agree, as you said, failure to vote is a vote for the other guys.

I'll vote for the RINOs until they die or I can find someone better.

Gus

Daddy, most music is MATH. The D-5 or D-5+ chord is somewhat of a hybrid. It serves a specific purpose and it is a "signature" for a specfic purpose. That chord is ALL D and A notes. It is like Scotch and Scotch. Or it is like Honey and Sugar. But it is also unique and not often used nor played. It serves a purpose when it is played. Most chords are like RECIPES. A majority of this, and a few dashes of that and that. The chord you referenced is D and A.
I hope my explanation makes sense!!

Gus

Very good Beasts

Beasts of England

For those of us who learned with a dog-eared copy of Mel Bay, the resources on the net (and even smartphones) is almost overwhelming. I have Phish tabs on my iPhone. Not that Anastasio has anything to worry about. :)

narciso

Yes, Charlie Cheetah, over whoever, seems a narrower bet, late into 2009, they still preferred him to Rubio, Lugar vouched for Obama over McCain, Cornyn wanted Specter, they all went the extra mile for Lisa Mxylplck, and I bet they aren't that concerned over Begich,

narciso

Linc Chaffee is another who really falls in the Diablo category, he was ultimately defeated by that moonbat fop Whitehouse, and subsequently turned into a frog, err Democrat,

boris

I would interpret D5+ or D+5 as a D chord with augmented 5th. But that is generally written just as D+

So it's a curious way to write it.

For example a D7+ does not mean an augmented 7th, it's still an augmented 5th with the dominant 7th ... IOW a regular D7 with A#

The D5 is just Ds and As. Get as many strings as possible. A nice one is x00235

A good E5 is 022400

Ignatz

Algebra, music and foreign languages are all Greek to me. No facility for abstract stuff whatsoever, which I attribute to left handedness/right braindedness.
I've had teachers attribute it merely to braindeadnessess.

Now, if it's visual, spatial or representational I'm in the chips.
I can remember a dirt road I've been on once fifteen years before or a face I've seen once twenty years before. But if the face tells me its name I've forgotten it, literally sometimes before it finishes the sentence.

Ignatz

Why I sometimes wonder why I give a sh** about politics.

daddy

Thanks guys. I got blisters on my fingers:)

Gus

Daddy. I buried Paul.

Gus

Correct Boris. The 7th is one note.

daddy

Gus,

Got a chuckle out of this while searching for Segway crack-ups:

And hopefully Boris won't mind me reposting this tune he downloaded for us 2 years ago that I really enjoyed. I think he says they recorded it a few decades back. Cactus Sky

Boris on guitar, R. Althouse on synth.

What you post on the Internet really is forever, isn't it?

Gus

Daddy, I have a photo of ME and my best friend Dan (sans shoes) my younger Brother Jude and a random Australian, walking across Abbey Road.
It is priceless to me!!

Ignatz

A dominant D7;

Gus

Talk about a MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR!!?

miss Marple

Still believe Rove latched onto a charismatic Dubya and convinced everyone his success was due to his expertise in demographics, when in fact Bush could have got himself elected with a ham sandwich for a campaign director.

We are off to see the Sistine chapel, which was closed yesterday when we went to St. Peter's.

Barbara

Good point about Rove, Miss M.

Enjoy Rome!

daddy

Hi Miss M,

When in Rome I do as the Roman's,
disregard the signs and the omens,
when in Rome I do as the Romans do...

daddy

First he killed Lincoln, then he killed Kennedy, then he killed Jesus, and now he's killing me.

Bill O'Reilly's guest host tonight?

Juan Williams.

daddy

Hey, somebody else has been standing under the mistletoe besides Eliot Spitzer and Lis Smith!

John Edwards has a new Girlfriend---Rielle Hunter is 'depressed'

Geez, Johnny, you sure can pick 'em---she's from Dook:(

So who's next for new love?

Weiner,

or Filner?

My money's on Carlos Danger.


anonamom

Ig, wonder if the Pennsylvanian carolers were the bitter clingers JEF talked about in 2008?

If we don't vote for the non D candidate in the general elections, in a few more years it will be illegal to sing those carols in public.

daddy

... in a few more years?

Sorry Anonmom, you missed the boat on that prognostication:

Augusta Georgia Hospital Bans Christmas Carolers From Singing Religious Songs

Captain Hate

Not at the moment, but my point is not that RINO primary losers are not ungracious assholes as compared with conservative primary losers. My point is simply that, whoever wins the primary between the two factions, it is enormously preferable to vote for that candidate in the general election rather than stay home.

I'm not sure I agree with this any more. I used to feel that way but there's no escaping that GWB and a Republican Congress spent money at an alarming rate exceeded only by the current crew of donk dunces. I don't think there's any guarantee that Republican control of the executive branch and legislative branch gets 404Care repealed.

We complacently went along with excessive spending from 2000-2006 because the economy was growing (real growth unlike this current manipulated scam) and we were lulled into thinking the debt was manageable. The Republicans achieved control of the House by promising to reduce spending which they have caved on every damn time. Maybe your admonishment is still correct but the differences have become so blurred that it's starting to seem negligible.

Jane

Sheesh this is a tough crowd. I met Rove when he was still popular with the conservative crowd and thought he was a really nice guy and pretty humble.

My guess is his focus during the Bush years was a lot sharper than it is now.

Like everyone else, I don't agree with a lot he says lately, but the demonization seems a bit overdone.

Ignatz

I don't think Rove left the Republican party; the Republican party is trying to leave him.
We're fed up with these glad handing, aisle across reaching, conciliatory deal making, spineless, principless squishes up with whom we were willing to put previously. Six years of drunken sailor spending and No Knucklehead Left Behind and Medicare expansions and, for some of us, the endless nation building under Bush which brought us first the nightmare of Nan Pelosi and then the mommmy jeaned colossus of Altgeld Gardens astride the country convinced most of us that business as usual under the likes of Rove is simply the slow train over the welfare state bankruptcy cliff rather than the Dems half finished bullet train.
No thanks, Karl.

jimmyk on iPhone

While I would almost certainly vote for any R over any D, the real dispute seems to be over conservatives primarying supposedly "electable" RINOs and others like the guy in WY who have been there too long. I completely support that, whereas Rove and even Ann Coulter seem to buy into the view that these lifers are entitled to their nominations regardless of what they've done in office.

AliceH

I'm (again) in agreement with Jane.

Rove is what he has always been - an excellent political technician. When he was working for Bush, he directed that skillset to the politics of supporting Bush's policies and "vision". Without Bush, he is using those skills for ... yep - his own preferred policies and "vision".

I appreciate his commentary, because it is thorough, underpinned by actual analysis - and because I never, ever forget that one of his goals is selling something that is not the product I am interested in buying.

JIB

The regular NFL season can end on an interesting note if John Kitna somehow gets to play. I saw him in Europe when he was with the Barcelona Dragons and he always impressed me with his decision making.

But the story of a high school math teacher and football coach being called up for one game is pretty cool. I hear he is donating his $53K to the high school he teaches at which is also his alma mater in Tacoma.

sbw

AliceH: I never, ever forget that one of his goals is selling something that is not the product I am interested in buying.

So obvious, yet so important.

Jim Miller

In my first post this morning, I said that Rove was being too optimistic, because he was not taking the divisions within the Republican Party between pragmatists and purists as seriously as he should.

I'd say many of the comments here provide a little more evidence that I was right in that argument.

And I would add that leftists are delighted by this division and have done what they can to deepen it. If, for example, George Soros or Tom Steyer were to read most of these comments, they would smile.

(If Franklin were around, he might be giving us his advice about hanging together, or hanging separately.)

Jim Miller

JIB - Bonus on Kitna. His Tacoma team is called the "Abes", which is cool, I think.

Jane

And I would add that leftists are delighted by this division and have done what they can to deepen it.

I'm a little less concerned with this than usual, because they are currently hanging on for dear life. But you are right.

narciso

I respectfully dissent, the party's fnork wing was willing to leave Coccinelli to the sharks, for reasons passing understanding, Steyer who runs the fundraising end of Soros' outreach, would never be that foolish, they close ranks no matter how extreme their candidate is,

Danube on iPad

"then you should agree that Rove's highly publicized attacks on the base advance exactly the opposite."

I do.

CH, it is indisputable that the GOP and Bush spent recklessly. But look at it this way: if we'd had one more Republican in the Senate, we wouldn' have Obamacare.

Ignatz

If the goal of the RINOS is to lead the Republican party to its assigned role as tax collector for the welfare state, and I see little or no evidence to the contrary, am I supposed to quietly ignore what would be a catastrophe for the country and the party?
I imagine what gives the Soros's of the world the most joy is a hobbled compliant GOP that presents no real obstacle to his Open Society, which is to say a closed one.

Captain Hate

But look at it this way: if we'd had one more Republican in the Senate, we wouldn' have Obamacare.

As it was, Scotty Centerfold kept his word and forced them to engage in some surely, if not strictly illegal, highly unethical chicanery to deem it passed. Didn't he just take away their supermajority and, if so, wouldn't one more Repub have kept the status the same?

Jane

I think Scott Brown made them pass the law they had passed before he got there instead of sending it to conference - which explains some of the ridiculous stuff in it, altho that is more the norm than other. After Brown got there, no amendments were possible. But I could be wrong.

boris

"the divisions within the Republican Party between pragmatists and purists"

It's Moderates vs Conservatives.

It's "moderates" who lose a primary to a conservative and endorse the liberal Democrat in the election. When that happens it's FUBAR to label anybody else "purist".

Conservatives are the easiest group to win over because they say what they want and stick to it. It's the moderates who find certain parts too distasteful, blow off the conservatives, then demand "unity" in support of an agenda that is socially liberal but might run out of OPM slower.

Captain Hate

Jane, that's how I remember it.

daddy

if we'd had one more Republican in the Senate, we wouldn' have Obamacare.

You have more faith in Lisa Murkowski than I do.

maryrose

daddy:
Agreed.Deem and pass was the order of the day after Brown's election. I just don't see this ACA law working and it is doomed to failure.

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