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Miss Marple

Judging from the traffic last night, I would agree that the crisis shopping has started.

It's the LAST WEEKEND BEFORE CHRISTMAS!!

This is the weekend the jewelry stores have open houses for guys so they can pick up the perfect gift. And they offer free drinks, so that you will pick out a more perfect gift than you can afford!

anonamom

Definitely crisis shopping has begun. During my regular Saturday walk from 7:30 ish til 8:30, I usually see two or three cars in transit in the neighborhood I traverse.

I saw twenty today.

If you're heading out--get going!

henry

Before 8 pm on Tuesday is far too early for shopping. Once the carp is cleared from the shelves, the good stuff is easier to find.

Old Lurker

I'm with Henry.

Miss Marple

Where are you shopping that they have carp on the shelves? The fish market?

:-)

henry

Not per se Miss M, but the market could be called fishy...

NKonIPad

Shopping?... Oh yes time to do that. Off to manhattan with mrs. NK todayto do so with appropriate supervision.

Captain Hate

I guess I previously gave Leibowitz too much credit for not being a complete dumbass.

narciso,

the light outside the Cave, burns his eyes, like the ghouls in 'I am Legend'


http://news.yahoo.com/analysis-white-house-rebranding-obamacare-39-young-invincibles-060447906.html

narciso,

Oh summon the SMOD, these people are too stupid;

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/12/20/3829501/senate-eases-path-for-sending.html

taking Patsy Murray should have been the clue;

MarkO

Without an actual, enforceable mandate, Obamacare will fail. I believe it was originally intended to be seen as a mandatory law, not a suggestion with no real penalty.

AliceH

MM: FYI: "carp" is a standard JOMism for "crap". I assume, but do not know, that it derives from a frequently-made typo by a certain JOMer.

Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself

I put up on FB -
It would be interesting to ask every person attacking Phil Robertson the same question that GQ asked Phil - "What, in your mind, is sinful?". Ask individual members of GLAAD. Ask A&E executive Nancy Dubuc. Ask the talking heads on TV & opinion writers.
"What, in your mind, is sinful?" - Are there any sexual boundaries? If so, what are they & why do you believe that? And the question doesn't just pertain to sexual behavior...
"What, in your mind, is sinful?". Will they have to worry about losing their jobs if anyone finds their answers unacceptable?

I have such a hard time with the free pass given to certain opinions & views. It is easy to mock & tear down society's traditional beliefs...but what are the foundations & logic behind the new "views-of-the-day" - that we all must embrace or we are some kind of haters or something? What will the consequences be? Where is THAT road going? Are there any foundations?....or do Americans just have to obey GLAAD's (or any groups) values, whatever they happen to be at the moment?

bgates

Ask individual members of GLAAD. Ask A&E executive Nancy Dubuc. Ask the talking heads on TV & opinion writers.

"Being out of alignment with Barack Obama's values."

(Follow up: Which ones? The ones you're pretty sure he actually has, the ones he expresses publicly, or the ones he used to express publicly?)

Skoot

When I first read Phil's comments, I recognized his anatomical descriptors as being delivered by a man who has killed and cleaned thousands of animals and as such is much more familiar with basic anatomy than most. I don't think he meant them to be vulgar at all. That was my take anyway.

Marlene

We went early to get errands done.Groceries,dry cleaning and last minute gifts. People here are freaking out because an ice storm is expected tonight.

Jane

Marlene,

It's supposed to be summer and raining here tomorrow.

Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself

Exactly, bgates. I put that up on FB the other day too -

""The comment that sparked controversy, and earned the Duck dad his suspension, was an answer to the question, "What, in your mind, is sinful?"" - GQ
Now there's a question! What would you answer? What would you base your answer on?...what are your moral beliefs?...& where do your moral beliefs come from?
The Bible (which is Phil Robertson's standard)? Some mixture of the Bible & popular culture? Maybe..."if it feels good, do it"? It's an interesting question.
Here was President Obama's answer (from an old interview 2004) -
"FALSANI: "Do you believe in sin?"
OBAMA: "Yes."
FALSANI: "What is sin?"
OBAMA: "Being out of alignment with my values.""
At that time, Obama was opposed to gay marriage....it was "out of alignment" with his values. No brouhaha then though..."

henry

Had freezing rain here last night... another 3-5" snow tonight. Philadelphia was warm yesterday.

Danube on iPad

Bgates and Janet beat me to it.

Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself

This is good -

Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself

Maybe there should be a national day of wearing camo to show support for free speech & religious freedom.

henry

Janet, that would be a day ending in "y" where I am.

Frau Steingehirn

AliceH , thanks for informing MM about "carp." Not everyone has time to check the JOM style book.

And for MM:

Good King Sauerkraut looked out,
On his feets uneven,
While the snoo lay round about,
All kerchoo achieven.

peter

Please click on the LUN and vote. It's the only thing our host ever asks of us.

Stephanie looking forward to the bowl games

Actually, caRp is so ubiquitous on the web that it is actually now the default spelling on most websites. Kinda like pwned. So ubiquitous in fact that kindle autocorrect defaults to caRp when you type in crap.

Jane

Speaking of carp, why is shit a swear and shut is not? Who started delineating certain words as bad?

AliceH

Why would "shut" be thought of as a swear word?

As for the delineating, I think it's a combination of cultural categories of what is vulgar (as in "common people") and rude (as in not a subject fit for polite society), plus the occasional prohibition for blasphemy.

Examples of that last include "Blimey" and "Bloody", which until fairly recently were considered swearing. Both are elisions of blasphemous vulgarisms, specifically "Blind Me" and "By Our Lady".

Miss Marple

Thanks fort he info on carp.

I just got this vision of a store with shelves of fish. LOL!

Packing for my trip to Rome. I leave tomorrow.

narciso,

Take care, Mrs. Marple, take pictures.

Jane

Why would "shut" be thought of as a swear word?

Why would "shit"? That's my point (that I'm not making well). Someone decided it was a swear at some point. They didn't decide "poop' was - assuming that was the meaning when "shit" was designated as a swear? And why the "f" word? How does that stuff come about?

Sandy SaturDaze

Poop in the ship's hold, better Store High In Transit, or when the bilge fills the poop will explode... well a nice tale even if a fish story, but in Iraq we used to say Sure Happy It's Thursday, because, you know, Friday is their Saturday & Sunday conflated.

Who gives a carp?

BTW - Could H&R or somebody post the link to the JOM style guide, once again? I thought I bookmarked it, but apparently not on this machine.

AliceH

Ah, I did misunderstand. Sorry.

It's an interesting question and not a lot of definitive research according to my 30 seconds of internet sleuthing. :)

The word "swearing" is itself sort of an imprecise category for what seems to break down into oaths, profanities, cursing, vulgarisms and others.

"Shit" used instead of feces is a vulgarism.
"Shit" used as an exclamation is more of a profanity, though sort of also maybe a curse word.

I still think the rules of acceptable vs. not are determined by cultural combination of religion and upper-class mores, but the process, selection, and enforcement of "rules" is too nebulous for me to figure out.

Jane

Alice,

It strikes me as stupid every time I hear a kid repeat a swear (not all that often) and get told it's a bad word. Why?

narciso,

They are just words not to be used in polite company, but there is no such thing nowadays.

Spanish words have a similar etymology, or derivation,

AliceH

Like narc, I don't think there are many word limitations for "polite company" anymore, short of PC rules for words deemed racist or derogatory to some group.

Those that tell minors not to use a particular word because it is "bad" are reduced to, at best, defending the shrinking minority of people who find the language offputting and inappropriate in most contexts.

I count myself among that minority, but a recent attempt to explain that way of thinking (here) did not go well for me. I concede the fight. That may well be a good thing. I don't know.

Danube on iPad

I think it's just a question of manners, custom and tradition. Why is it wrong to pick up your soup bowl and drink from it?

When I was very young, the n-word was very often used in a manner connoting no disrespect whatsoever, much as in Tom Sawyer. When MLK came on the scene "Negro" became the preferred term in polite society. It was supplanted by "black" and later, to a certain extent, African-American. And it wasn't long ago that you could refer to the original Americans as "Indians" withot ruffling anyone's feathers. So to speak.

sbw

Manners, custom, and tradition as illustrated by Berke Breathed in Bloom County:

Mom: That's the most adorable little colored girl playing outside.
Steve: "Colored"? You're saying "colored people" in 1988? You know better, Ma.
Mom: Then why the "National Association for Colored People? I don't think Negroes mind at all.
Steve: Don't say "Negroes," Ma! You can't say "Negroes"!
Mom: Can I say "United Negro College Fund"?
Steve: You are baiting me, Ma!
Dad: That's it. We're leaving.
Mom: Stay put, Reginald. "Mister Socially Sensitive"isn't finished shaming his parents into enlightenment.
Steve: Everybody just calm down. Let's agree to use the the New-Age term "People of Color."
Mom: People of Color.
Steve: People of Color.
Mom: Colored people.
Steve: NO!!
Dad: We're leaving.

Beasts of England

Learned today that our minor league baseball team (affiliated first with the A's and later the Brewers) will be leaving town after next season. The city hopes to attract another team in the near future. The mayor is floating plans for - wait for it - a new stadium!

While I never had season tickets, I did make it out to several games per season and saw quite a few soon-to-be famous (and infamous) players: Tim Belcher, Ryan Braun, Jose Canseco, Prince Fielder, Jason Giambi, Mark McGwire, and Miguel Tejada.

Also saw a decent basketball player from Chicago play two games against our team. He wasn't too impressive on the diamond and later returned to help the Bulls win a few more championships.

Danube on iPad

Beautiful, sbw.

MarkO

There is no wisdom like that found among flightless waterfowl.

AliceH

It occurs to me while I hold to narrower views regarding (for lack of a better term) appropriate language, I am frequently puzzled by fashion police.

I agree stripes and plaid is an assault on the eyes, but even so, it would never occur to me to make a point of noting it or questioning someones choice to wear that. Frankly, I don't care for most people's fashion choices - but mostly I don't care about them. Why would wearing white after labor day be more cringeworthy than 12 year olds casually using "bad" words?

henry

Beasts, you appear to have an excellent pharmacy in your town.

Thomas Collins

I stocked up on sugary and sugar free chocolates and jelly beans at Au Chocolat in the Boston financial district. No crisis shopping for me. Everyone loves Au Chocolat.

Then went to Target at South Bay Mall. Target employees were extra helpful. Perhaps they were encouraged to be helpful in light of the identity theft problems at Target.

Also went to two liquor stores to buy holiday refreshments, and when driving, listened to the Celtics blow a big lead and lose the game.

So no crisis, just frustration at another blown lead by the Shamrocks

Beasts of England

Thanks, henry. Believe it or not, we're home to one of the top biogenetic outfits in the country: HudsonAlpha Institute.

No rumors about rampant PEDs. Canseco and McGwire were relatively scrawny while in town.

Beasts of England

Four alleged human beings were arrested in the New Jersey carjacking / murder from last week. I was surprised that they were all white female septuagenarians.

MarkO

I throw this out for discussion.

What of this poor girl who has been electronically harassed by BuzzFeed until she lost her job? She posted something someone considered highly offensive. It was more in the nature of a lame joke, but offense seems always to take the upper hand.

The episode took hold on Twitter, largely fueled entirely by BuzzFeed and for the purpose of enhancing its own standing and revenue.

Does this girl not have a colorable claim under one of the business interference theories available under the common law or by statute.

A juicy case, with punitive damages against these marauding PC vigilantes might put an end to all of this oppression by offense.

Janet

There is a post on FB pointing out Luis Farrakhan's views on homosexuality.
I believe Obama's church honored him with a flattering article in their church magazine.

Our side is terrible at taking advantage of the natural rifts in the Dem. party.

unions vs. the enviro kooks
the slaughter of black babies vs. Big Abortion
the poor vs. the enviro kooks
...

Captain Hate

Our side is terrible at taking advantage of the natural rifts in the Dem. party.

There hasn't been a decent Republican leader since Lee Atwater was alive. The thought that Rove was an understudy to him is one of the most ludicrous things I've ever heard unless Rove was his special needs pupil.

Btw, happy first day of winter as the sun begins its trek back north.

daddy

I remember a few years back reading an old copy of Mark Twain's wonderful "Pudd'nhead Wilson" (1894) to my young daughters.

I thought it interesting that when Twain needed to use the offensive word "damned" in dialogue he printed it "d____d" and the reader had to fill the blanks. Yet at the same time the text, just as in Huck Finn and even in the original printings of Tom Sawyer, used the word "nigger" liberally, and printed it as written.

By 100 years later the "N" word is probably the most offensive word we can come up with in polite society, and I know that in copies of Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn it has been deleted or rendered "slave" for years, yet we can turn on any sitcom on TV and hear the word "damned" spouted by anyone and think nothing of it.

And when I read it to the daughters I recall they wanted me to self censor and use the word "slave" when I came to the "N" word, so I did, damn it all:)

Jane

And it wasn't long ago that you could refer to the original Americans as "Indians" withot ruffling anyone's feathers. So to speak.

So you think that one day someone decided the word "shit" was bad and it caught on? I really wonder what spurred it.

I was talking to Amy's youngest recently and mentioned the "Indians". (We were talking about pilgrims and Thanksgiving.) She told me: "We call them native Americans". I was bummed.

sbw

" She told me: 'We call them native Americans'. I was bummed."

And I would have wanted to reply, "And I won't be offended if you keep calling Indians, native Americans."

Jane

Well what I replied was: "I call them Indians". I'm sure I didn't change her mind, but she heard mine.

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