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boricuafudd

Do as I say not as I do!

hit and run

TM:
But we exhaled a long time ago

I hope you bought some carbon offsets.

Greetings from Durham. Asking around if people here know a guy named MarkO and folks just kinda look down and start shuffling their feet.

matt

Putting up the Kruggie pinata again? Low hanging fruit.

clarice feldman

It's nice to know you keep such complete Krugfiles.

Captain Hate

Is he really holding up the NYT's dysfunctional way of burying corrections as the gold standard?

bgates

Since you ask (2): BLS total nonfarm employment Jan 09 133,631,000; Jan 13 134,839,000; and I can't get TM's numbers from that page at all, seasonal or not, private-only or not.

rich@gmu

I'm looking at the same table (seasonally adjusted) and am trying to figure out how the administration is +3.246M jobs. I take it that it doesn't differentiate between part time and full time.

bgates

Meantime, Rich, employment's supposed to be down at the federal level and across all levels of government.

narciso

Why do I feel like they are pulling a scam, like the 1919 Black Sox


http://hotair.com/archives/2014/01/20/did-romney-ever-really-believe-he-could-win-the-election/

NKonIPad

The TomM fiskings of Krugman are a public service.

Captain Hate

Why all this Romney talk now? I'd like to pretend he never existed.

narciso

'the beatings will continue, even if morale improves' Ewok on his nub nub jag

Gmax

folks just kinda look down and start shuffling their feet.


Well look on the bright side. At least they do curse under their breath and spit on the sidewalk.

Gmax

do NOT curse

Sheesh

Gmax

I would like to blame that on auto correction but that would be a Wendy Davis level use of loose language. (In plain speak, a big fat lie).

Gmax

I am wondering if it would be possible to care less than me, whatever the frick Paul Krugman Enron consultant has to say on virtually any subject. I would only be interested in him saying "farewell".

Miss Marple

Captain Hate,

The point, in my opinion, is to make us unsure of any candidate that we back. As we get closer to the primaries, we will see sutle attacks on every potential candidate.

Are you SURE you want to back Candidate XXX? After all, Mitt Romey didn't think he could win. How do you know Candidate XXX isn't in this for the book contract, TV contract, money, etc.

I am ignoring it all.

I figure I will plant a big garden this spring and ignore most of the analysis. If we are going to see our country crumble, I am going to at least feed my family.

Thomaas Collins

CH, with this documentary, I am now firmly convinced that Mittster is going to make a third try at the POTUSey. There's no pretending he doesn't exist unless one wants to ignore the 2016 POTUSey race.

I hope I'm wrong, but unless a non-Christie, non-Mitt person takes hold quickly with those who can raise money, those are the early line favorites.

I know, I've served up a more unpleasant early dinner scenario than eating the salad while watching Best of Bill Belichick Press Conferences!

Thomaas Collins

CH, with this documentary, I am now firmly convinced that Mittster is going to make a third try at the POTUSey. There's no pretending he doesn't exist unless one wants to ignore the 2016 POTUSey race.

I hope I'm wrong, but unless a non-Christie, non-Mitt person takes hold quickly with those who can raise money, those are the early line favorites.

I know, I've served up a more unpleasant early dinner scenario than eating the salad while watching Best of Bill Belichick Press Conferences!

Captain Hate

James D, I was pretty sure from the get go that Romney wouldn't win; then he teased us for a while by acting like he wanted to defeat the JEF and then ultimately turned into the garbage candidate I was expecting him to be. Reading about all his ups and downs doesn't do much except fill me with a cold bitter rage against the eunuchs in the Republican party that oversee this and say it's the best that can be done.

Miss Marple

There is a picture of Beyonce and Jay Z and their daughter walking towardsthe party for Michelle.

The problem with the photo is that they are not walking towards the White House.

They are walking towards the Treasury Building.

apparently some guests were admitted through the tunnel between Treasury and the White House, said tunnel built as na escape hatch and shelter during WWII. Most of the public doesn't know it exits.

How many people are sneaking into the White House via that tunnel? Why isn't the press monitoring who goes into the Treasury Building?

Captain Hate

That was difficult enough to read once, TC. These Sugardaddy Big Bucks that are panicking because of Christie's meltdown and screaming "Save us Mitt" are the real problems with the Republican party.

I flat out won't vote for Romney again. Period.

lyle

All those Mittcitement pills I gagged down left a lingering bitter taste. Now I know why.

Rick Ballard

"I can't get TM's numbers from that page at all, seasonal or not, private-only or not."

That's cuz TM is probably working from original data and you're working from past chocolate ration summaries as compiled last month by Winston Smith. The Winston Smith numbers now prove that jobs never recovered completely from Jan '01 and Jan '05.

Thomas Collins

I know, CH. I didn't mean for it to appear twice. Typhuspad and I have been in sync recently, but not that time.

rich@gmu

you will take your Mittbrand and you will like it.

Captain Hate

This is too early to have to fall in line behind a candidate for 2016. Every prospective candidate has a job to do which doesn't involve camping out with those hayseeds in Iowa. Enough of this perpetual campaign trash.

narciso

they need to dialup those shock collars, just embarassing how they run from Stay Puft, this is how they are behaving now, will they be putting him on a spit in a month,

well, well wisher.
Jack is Back

Crosspost:

Frederick and I are back from watching "The Legend of Hercules" and he learned a new word from me after it ended: Camp.

It was fun but if I had made it I would have based it around Heracles 12 labors. The only one dramatized was the first one - killing the Menean Lion. Frederick wanted especially to see Herules cleaning out the Augean Stables:)

Lots of very contrived action in a cartoonish way.

Extraneus

Every prospective candidate has a job to do which doesn't involve camping out with those hayseeds in Iowa.

Or making friends with MSNBC.

narciso

Well Iowa gave us the gift of Carter and Obama, do we need another example for enemy action, Reagan rallied in New Hampshire, btw

well, well wisher.

" Now I know why."

Quick-study, aren't you?

narciso

Leadership should come to those who take tough stands, not those who avoid same'

http://therightscoop.com/sarah-palin-to-obama-stop-playing-the-race-card/

Rick Ballard

Matt Walsh has a great piece on the ruin being wreaked by tenured thieves. If anything, he understates the magnitude of the problem faced by the Millenials who are having their future stolen by Professor Featherpasser.

well, well wisher.

Yeah. Much better to be home-schooled by the unschooled.

An excellent metaphor is China's Great Leap Forward. Those home-made foundries were a model of succeess. Pot metal does have it's uses.

Rick Ballard

What else would a tenured thief say?

Extraneus

Pew poll: Obama losing the public on NSA surveillance

Are any R's on this beside Rand Paul?

miss Marple

Prior to the advent of public schools, most people were home or church schooled.

That system gave us Lincoln, Edison, Longfellow, Washington, and Andrew Carnegie.

It gave us the Renaissance, the Age of Enlightenment, and the Industrial Revolution.

Having substituted in public schools, I can assure readers that the level of intellectual achievement is not what the teachers' union claims.

Captain Hate

Isn't home schooling significantly more successful than the public extended day care and indoctrination centers?

Danube on iPad

"...a non-Christie, non-Mitt person takes hold quickly with those who can raise money..."

I am hoping that Scott Walker is such a person, but am not particularly confident that he is.

Extraneus

Successful in what sense, Captain?

well, well wisher.

"Isn't home schooling significantly more successful..."

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/opre/faces00_4thprogress.pdf

Danube on iPad

I feel a warm, smug glow when I hear people talk about income inequality as a problem that government can and should solve. If they choose to be that stupid, I revel in their whining, puling and caterwauling. I dislike them.

Extraneus

Wealthy GOP donors starting to give up on Christie for 2016?

What will they do if Jeb and Romney are picked off one by one?

jimmyk

Colleges do a couple of things well, for some. For those who go into technical fields, colleges can provide valuable training. And colleges can also help employers and grad/professional schools sort out who is qualified.

But no question a lot of people who go to college shouldn't, or are only there because of the pathetic state of public secondary education. And many who do go get their minds polluted by ideological and pseudo-intellectual blather.

Ignatz

Homeschoolers score 72 points higher on the SAT.
And;
15 key facts about homeschoolers; almost all of which demonstrate superior performance by home schoolers.
Dana's link?
180 pages most of which show how useless useless Head Start is, none or almost almost none of which that I saw evenmentions homeschooling, and all of which is produced by the Federal government he tells us we can't trust an inch.
At east we agree on that last one.

Captain Hate

Successful in what sense, Captain?

College prep as measured by SAT and ACT tests.

Danube on iPad

"That system gave us Lincoln, Edison, Longfellow, Washington, and Andrew Carnegie. It gave us the Renaissance, the Age of Enlightenment, and the Industrial Revolution."

It also gave us widespread illiteracy and ignorance. I believe that, as a matter of policy, an educated citizenry is a public good that should be publicly (though not exclusively publicly) supported.

Captain Hate

Yes, Iggy; that link was so worthless I was afraid it was a virus pit.

Ignatz

Studies done on homeschooled children show a tendency to perform better later in life, at college and work, and they score better on tests.
What else is there that education is supposed to do?
Oh yeah, homeschoolers avoid indoctrination by the state. There's the rub.

Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet

DOT, you and I agree on Scott Walker. His performance in the crucible of Blue/Purple Wisconsin has proven to me, BRD, that he has had what it takes to be an excellent CEO, and more importantly, to be an excellent POTUS.

In today's political environment, however, there is unfortunately another sine qua non:

That is attracting the substantial financing for a viable presidential campaign against one of the most unworthy candidates in history, but one who has almost unlimited financial support from a wide variety of very rich people at many ends of the political spectrum.

My only question about Scott Walker is whether he wants to fight the fight and, if so, whether he will be able to tap sufficient financing to win the nomination. I pray that does and that he will.

well, well wisher.

"Students who take these tests are self-selecting, so we don't know if homeschoolers overall are doing better than other students. But all SAT and ACT takers are self-selecting regardless of how they were schooled. However, there is no way to know if homeschoolers are taking these tests at a lower or higher rate than public or private school students.

If broken down by demographics, homeschoolers may not fare so well. Homeschoolers tend to come from higher earning and better educated families, which may account for the higher scores.
Sampling is sometimes done to compare homeschoolers to public school students. Critics point out that successful homeschooling parents may be more likely to allow their children to be tested than less successful homeschoolers."

Can't stop 'cribbing' even for home-schooled. Tainted data fail.

Ignatz

--It also gave us widespread illiteracy and ignorance.--

That was a function largely of a general poverty which no longer exists.
Increasingly public education is generating illiteracy and ignorance.
Why would anyone want the system that gives us the DMV and the IRS educating our children?

Captain Hate

If I had to make a choice now, I'd be for Scott Walker.

Holly

I posted a HB to Maryrose and a bit of frivolity, but I don't see it. Perhaps there's a time delay.

Extraneus

College prep as measured by SAT and ACT tests.

Only a conservative would look at that as the success metric.

Ignatz

Homeschoolers as a fact do better on standardized tests.
If you have facts which explain that rather than "may" and "possibly" then the only fails is your critique, especially because homeschoolers excel in other categories as well.

Extraneus

If I had to make a choice now, I'd be for Scott Walker.

Me, too.

narciso

The problem. as Rse, has diagnosed. is the operating system, being installed in these institutions of higher learning, hence you end up with a Klein, and Yglesias, subordinate trolls, and policy makers like Emmanuel, who doesn't have an appreciation of the Hippocratic oath,

well, well wisher.

Sheeit. Drs. en masse don't regard the Hippocratic Oath beyond 'do no harm', as they seem to think 'not doing good' fits the spirit of the oath.

The incompetence of medical facilities can be traced to the public education system, by some of limited depth.

Of course only patient care suffers. Billing efficiencies reach great heights of accomplishment.

Rob Crawford
Is he really holding up the NYT's dysfunctional way of burying corrections as the gold standard?

If he didn't, they wouldn't let him into the Duranty Lounge.

Rick Ballard

jimmyk,

AFAICT, there's a positive ROI for 40-45% of four year degrees. AA technical credentials have a higher percentage of positive returns but the ROI is much lower than business or STEM. It's about the same as for a BA-Barista who actually finds a job to match his/her degree. That's based upon current differentials.

There are two factors which are going to significantly reduce the differentials in the near future. One is the effect of the pipeline stuffing done in the past ten years. Total degrees awarded have exceeded demand for at least that long. The second is the reduction in the rate of natural growth in population. That one is the real killer and it's the actual driver of the immigration movement. We tend to think of immigrants as producers displacing native producers but they are also consumers with very low total social cost.

Taking on debt to pursue a BA-Barista is not a mark of intelligence.

Ignatz

Homeschoolers scores are virtually unaffected by income and they excel in all areas of life at a higher rate including socialization and maturity.

Leftist logic;the state can't be trusted to touch my pot or my emails, but it can be trusted to take my kid for 15 years and fill his head full of crap.
Kinda tells you what they truly value.

Rob Crawford
It also gave us widespread illiteracy and ignorance. I believe that, as a matter of policy, an educated citizenry is a public good that should be publicly (though not exclusively publicly) supported.

Um, the public schools are ALSO giving us widespread illiteracy and ignorance -- and making us pay through the nose for the privilege.

Rob Crawford
Tainted data fail.

Takes one to know one.

Not using your "truthbetold" persona tonight? Did the mescaline wear off?

Danube on iPad

"Increasingly public education is generating illiteracy and ignorance."

I don't disagree at all. It is a good idea that has been corrupted by very bad ideas that originated about a century ago. As for the poverty being a cause of ignorance and illiteracy, I tend to think of it as an effect. In any case, for millions of Americans public education was the way out of all three conditions, and it worked very well for a time.

If you really want to feel depressed, get ahold of an eight grade exam (history, geography, you name it) from, say, 1915 in Lincoln, Nebraska.

well, well wisher.

"Not using your "truthbetold" persona tonight? Did the mescaline wear off?"

Your recalcitrant idiocy takes all the challenge of a reply. Maybe you should consider some consciousness-altering substance as a substitute for your pov. It could only improve, atp.

miss Marple

Danube,

I am more than willing to go back to public education as it was when I was a child.

That is not what we have.

Based on the current state of public education, I favor home schooling or parochial and private schools.

well, well wisher.

'takes the challenge out of a reply' Edit button?

narciso

Take Greg Grandin, please, as a trained chimp in Carlos Slim's menagerie, he sent up a furtive squirrel, when clearly his own research would suggest anyone with Obama's politics would be sent packing anywhere else,

http://history.fas.nyu.edu/object/greggrandin

the Harper's essay that peter linked, is instructive, he trumpets the likes of Che Guevara, the Argentine zampolit, who ended up quite dead in the Bolivian jungle,one of the later iterations, who married an American,
wanted to be 'like Che' and the Guatemalan army obliged.

jimmyk

hence you end up with a Klein, and Yglesias

That's more a reflection of the WaPo's warped standards than of the educational system.

Holly

Posted it three times, still don't see it. Sigh. If they show up later, I apologize for the repeats.

jimmyk

I believe that, as a matter of policy, an educated citizenry is a public good that should be publicly (though not exclusively publicly) supported.

That doesn't mean it should be publicly provided, of course. As others have pointed out, a generation or more ago public schools did a decent job, but they are beyond salvaging and should be replaced by a voucher system.

Truthbetold

Clarice

This is what you had to say on March 7 2007

"Former CIA head Tenet, who insisted the Department of Justice investigate a routine referral for reasons which are still unclear but seem to be pique and revenge?"

Last week you told everyone to believe that the CIA did not really want or expect an investigation.

And you turned to a book endorsed by Tenet as proof.

Clarice, what story are you going with this week?

Rob Crawford
Maybe you should consider some consciousness-altering substance as a substitute for your pov.

Why would I want to emulate a failure like you?

Rob Crawford

Oh, look! Like someone rang a bell!

narciso

Take David Remnick, Princeton' 80, I found his books on post soviet russia, interesting although sometimes a little overdone, although very informative, but 'the Bridge' was a good doorstop,
and that was pretty much what it was good for, since it actually failed to tell us who Obama was,
his latest offering is somewhat less prolix, but equally useless,

Danube on iPad

"Based on the current state of public education, I favor home schooling or parochial and private schools."

Ditto. Those for whom those aren't options are doomed, and things are not going to get better.

Six of my twelve years of schooling through high school were in public schools. I am grateful to this day for the quality of schooling I received at them, which I would be hard put to distinguish from that at the private schools I attended. Challenging schoolwork, rigorously taught, rigorously examined and rigorously graded. No indoctrination of any kind except in the greatness of our country, which we and all of our parents took for granted.

well, well wisher.

"Why would I want to emulate a failure like you?"

I dunno. Maybe failure or success are relative notions, beyond your acumen of home-schooliness. I suggested a different nerve-pathway but it's fine if you continue in that rut. You seem to enjoy the trench.

narciso

Category error, seems rife in many places;


http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/misreading-obama-9739

boatbuilder

I suspect that the 2014 elections are going to significantly change the conditions on the ground for the 2016 presidential campaign. I think that it is way too soon to count anyone out (or in), particularly on the right side of the spectrum. If the Senate goes Republican and the House gets even more solid, being perceived as a "moderate" who can get along with the Dems may not be so important anymore.

matt

jimmyk;

I disagree strongly. There used to be something called a well rounded man or woman. These were a lot of our businesspeople, leaders, decision makers, etc.

Of course we need the specialists, but we are living in the age of specialization. People are so wrapped up in their specialties they know little else in many cases.

They don't teach history or self reliance or history and lit or business light or those other courses that round the character and mind. We have monetized education.

The educrats come up with their pseudo scientific systems. The marketers study every angle using Goebbels and Skinner and focus groups. Name a group and the range of knowledge and technique within that discipline these days is very demanding. It is information overload sometimes. Even farming is pretty demanding these days.

There is very little big picture thinking these days. That's one the generalists did pretty well.

rich@gmu

matt-

Maybe a bit too narrow and too wide. Most general ed programs require a few history classes to graduate (and thankfully I've never had to deal with a douchebag like dana). I had to take one last semester. Also, think about the sort of general, broad based program of political science.

The issue at least from my view is that not only are many students who have no idea what the end game and before they realize it they pile up 20K in debt (easy to do with 2 years of goofing off at a decent state school).

DrJ-

sent you an email.

rich@gmu

see if I can make this english


>>>is that not only are many students who have no idea what<<<

is that many students have no idea what the end game is.

pagar

Education for the masses.

http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/01/fourth-grader-parents-letter-outrage-islam-taught-local-public-school/

"Last December, I picked up my daughter, who is in fourth grade, from school. As soon as she got in the car, she proclaimed, “Allah is great,” and then said it in Arabic"


jimmyk on iPhone

Matt: "I disagree strongly"

Not sure what you're disagreeing with. I agree with you about the value of learning history etc., but I was speaking about current reality, not about what ought to be. Colleges aren't producing big picture thinking.

Also, there's nothing about learning technical skills that precludes being well-rounded. Physics majors still have to take courses in humanities and social sciences. The problem is that those courses often aren't very good.

Jane-Rebel Alliance1

TC,

No way Mitt will run in 2016. Mark my words.

Neil Cavuto on Fox Business just completely decimated Chris Christie followed by the republican who ran for Gov in NY finishing the job. I was a little surprised, frankly. If Cavuto is right, Christie is way past done.

It's gonna be Scott Walker. I'm sure of it. (Do not forget, I was certain it would be Rick Perry in 2012, so don't doubt me.)

Captain Hate on the iPad

Creighton is dusting Villanova by thirty midway through the second half.

narciso

What evidence did they present, Jane, not the Zimmer matter.

Captain Hate on the iPad

Not to doubt my friend TC, whom I respect a great deal, but Romney running again makes zero sense. With my unerring powers of prognostication, that should make it a lock that he does.

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