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Buford Gooch

I would say First, but that would be tacky.

MarkO

OK, then. First.

MarkO

As if Obama had any idea about what was reasonable. No more Americans taking part in Obama's pretend war.

Thomas Collins

http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/13031/strategic-horizons-after-military-drawdown-will-america-come-back

See above link for a short article on whether the United States' current retrenchment is temporary and part of the usual retrenchment/renewal cycle, or whether it is of a more permanent nature. My own view is that when the next major terrorist attack occurs on US territory, or the United States' interest in free trade is threatened by actions of China, qualms about an overbearing military and an overly intrusive NSA will be overcome by the recognition that retrenchment has costs we won't be willing to bear.

Danube on iPad

I'm not so sure, TC. For one thing, I think our ability to project power abroad has been seriously degraded. And I don't think the populace has much stomach for it.

MarkO

Instead of making the Mohamatans suffer, our government asks us to forego our freedoms, stand in lines to be frisked, hand over our private communications and trust it.

I would prefer to harm the enemy.

Truthbetold

Clarice

What you are saying is: Anyone and everyone who knew that Dick Armitage was Robert Novak's source in Plamegate, were involved in a "Conspiracy TO CONCEAL"

Is that correct?

miss Marple

Hey, troll, I am sick of your slimy inferences, your lies, and your intrusion into every thread with your pretense astounds cross examination.

Go work on the Fuddy file. Maybe you will find a connection there.

miss Marple

My rants would have more impact if the darn iPad didn't insert words into my writing,

Frau Gummibärchen

@1:17- Booooooooooooring, big time.

Get with the Clinton platform: WDATPDIM?

NK(withnewsoftware)

Here's the best analysis I've seen of the current status of US Senate elections. Tied to POTUS approval? perhaps, I think those elections are more tied to ObummerCare dissaproval. Will ObummerCare be far more popular in November than now? How? the next 10 months will see the Insurer Bailout repeal debate, the Debt extension debate, and then 40 million(?) employees thrown off group plans by employers. If ObummerCare goes down to 30% approval, Katie bar the door, 54-56 Repub Senators. Then we see if it's worth supporting Repubs: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/01/22/how_obamas_job_approval_could_sway_senate_races.html

NK(withnewsoftware)

BTW-- me 'knowing' fat, old Fuddy died an unfortunate but natural death weeks ago? no surprise there... what else would it be?

clarice

Seal trained sharks, NK. Its so obvious.

Frau Gummibärchen

Guided from a hidden bunker deep in some mountains in the M.E., Clarice?

Threadkiller

NK, Clarice, are we doing Fuddy cultspiracies on the new thread?

narciso

Well if she had laser marks on her, we would know for sure, the Solon of Scranton,
and his doctor Doolittle, Galbraith fils,

miss Marple

As I said, I think it a remarkable coincidence that Fuddy belonged to a cult with branches in Indonesia, Hawaii, and Chicago, and that Obamas mother was also a member.

I do think ms. Fuddy's death was of natural causes.

Sometimes a death reveals embarrassing information, as when there is a heart attack in a mistress's apartment during extreme physical exertion.

Threadkiller

Here is one: maybe the plane's engine was tampered with and maybe Fuddy was poisoned prior to the flight and maybe they pilot and passengers weren't in on it and maybe they were supposed to be collateral and maybe Fuddy's body was to be found with the other dead/barely surviving crash victims and maybe the cult did not count on a successful water landing?

I don't believe it, but I wanted to play along with the crazies and their shark theories. ;-)

NK(withnewsoftware)

"...are we doing Fuddy cultspiracies on the new thread? "

1. there is no Fuddy cultspiracy; and

2. NOOOOOOoooooooo.....

narciso

Did Tom intend an analogy to the Anabasis, the trek through Persian territory,

Threadkiller

Miss Marple, the article notes that the cult is based in Seattle. Here is another coincidence:

Shortly after his birth on August 4, 1961, Barack Obama and his mother, 18-year-old Stanley Ann Dunham Obama, move to Seattle and rent an apartment in the Capitol Hill neighborhood. 

http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=8926

miss Marple

Thread killer,

I think I will go off and track this stuff on my own and not bother people here with my curiosity.

I will report back if I find something important, like a division of Acorn made up of members or something.

(Insert Twilight Zone music here.)

centralcal

Well said, Miss Marple, at 1:21 - even with iPad insertions.

Threadkiller

I shall await your findings.

Dave (in MA)

iPad insertions sound painful.

Account Deleted

"Seal trained sharks, NK. Its so obvious."

Well sure. No one questions that. The "secret" part was the pod of NSA guided dolphins armed with poisonous jellyfish which were on backup in case the sharks missed.

rich@gmu

yower.

Specter-

I'm on the email list and hit has it too. Send me a message and I'll start asking around. Not sure how much help I can be. I'm also no help re: Baltimore-the only things I can think of offhand there is Hubble Space Telescope and APL.

and not again. can the other stuff get confined to the other thread. it is ridiculous.

Truthbetold

Clarice

Is Lewis Libby a friend of yours?

Danube on iPad

OK, folks, get this: I just thoroughly shuffled a deck of cards, then dealt the first twelve off the top of the deck, face up. Here's what came up, in order:

Four of diamonds
Eight of clubs
Eight of diamonds
Jack of spades
Five of spades
King of hearts
Ace of hearts
Nine of clubs
Jack of diamonds
Three of clubs
Six of hearts
Seven of hearts

Now I ask you: What are the odds? Come on, people: WHAT ARE THE ODDS?

This conspiracy is far-reaching and omnipotent. We don't stand a chance.

rich@gmu

Jonathan Easley / The Hill:
Target announces it will drop part-time employees from its healthcare plan

just bringing the awesome! pretty soon everyone is going to be have a part time job, have no health insurance, and will have to go to the emergency room to see a doc.

gotta pass it to see what is in it.

Fox Mulder

Thanks Danube for those clues. I'm keeping my eye on you.

Threadkiller

I thought the dolphins took out the sharks. No loose ends.

Threadkiller

Fuddy had worse odds than the joker in Danube's deck?

Jane-Rebel Alliance1

DoT,

That is simply amazing. Do you have any Tarot cards around there?

clarice

That's the way I remember it TK--leave no traces behind.

Extraneus

I was once dealt a 7-card straight flush.

matt

It was COL Mustard in the Library with the lead pipe.

Did the sharks have laser beams?

Fox Mulder

no a candlestick that had a secret transmitter in the base. those greys, those greys.

peter

I think Danube @204 just Rickrolled this thread. Not sure why I think that, but it's a theory, and I'm looking for clues

Beasts of England

1 in 479,000,000, DoT. Your hands must be sore from all that shuffling. ;)

boricuafudd

DoT maybe we should ask TBT I am sure he knows how it happened. Or should we ask Clarice? Hmm...

Jane-Rebel Alliance1

Dot you should take up that Warren Buffet challenge. The odds are 1 in quintillion. You can do it!

lyle

Figures Buffett would make this offer knowing he'd never have to pay it off. It also explains why when he calls for higher income taxes he knows it won't affect him personally.

Threadkiller

The probability that President Obama's birth certificate is legitimate is 0.0000000000000000000016?

http://mobile.wnd.com/2012/09/obama-eligibility-odds-1-in-62-5-quintillion/

Truthbetold

Clarice

In 2003 Dick Armitage told Marc Grossman he was Robert Novak's source.

Why did you not include Grossman in the 'Conspiracy TO CONCEAL" group?

bgates

I thought the dolphins took out the sharks

No, the Jets took out the Sharks. Then the Dolphins and the Jets split.

Danube on iPad

Let's take the first of Moncton's assertions at the 3:05 link:

"The fact that the registrar’s signature-stamp on the electronic form can be moved about: 100:1 against."

No it's not; it's a certainty that it can be moved about in a pdf that is generated by scanning and optimizing. This was demonstrated in a YouTube tutorial I posted a week or so ago.

And so on with the rest of the man's nonsense.

Threadkiller

It has been rumored that jet fuel took out the prop engine, so I don't find that so far fetched, bgates.

maryrose

Beasts:
You have made my day by returning to JOM!
Glad you had a fun dinner with your daughter. Still praying for you and your family.

I am sorry to say this but why do recent political people Obama, Bill clinton, and Wendy Davis have such sordid , kind of creepy pasts? I spent a year and a half in an orphanage and I have managed to lead a life which I hope has helped others {teacher, counselor} and without destroying other people. Davis'a girls get no benefit from her absence and pursuit of an ambitious political career. Her lies of omission are disgraceful and set a bad example for her daughters to follow. Obama trashing repubs and lying about everything is not a good example for his daughters.

narciso

Carlos Slim's guest squirrel, was Norm 'I Can't'm Believe I'm that clueless' Ornstein, who 'removes all doubt' being unaware of the issue in the recess appointment case, he may know, but the better part of valor is to assume he doesn't.

Threadkiller

Is that the tutorial from the meerkat expert?

daddy

Just about to hit the hay, but I see now that WUWT has a new thread on the return of the 52 Mawsonites: #spiritofmawson ship of fools apologize for mess, face recovery costs

It is loaded with good links and excellent comments, and some of the 52 are turning on Professor Turney and personally accusing him of blowing off the commands of the Russian Captain and the Expedition Logistics leader, Greg Mortimer, that he should immediately return to the boat because the ice was rapidly building. Very specifically they say that Turney disregarded the specific commands and warnings from the Captain and Mortimer, and instead kept hauling tourists off the boat and out to some islands for photo-ops, then finally returning hours late, with the ship now unable to get through the engulfing ice.

This Sydney Morning Herald story The inside story of how a polar expedition went terribly wrong, leaving dozens of tourists and scientists trapped in the ice. is a real eye opener for the details I mentioned above and well worth a quick read, such as:

A passenger, who was standing near Turney when Mortimer called the leader from the ship's VHF radio, recalled their conversation: "Chris, [captain] Igor has just said we need to expedite people back from the islands so we can get out of here," said Mortimer.

Turney, standing on the ice edge, repeated the message to confirm he had heard right.

"Affirmative," said Mortimer.

"If I take this lot out, how long can we stay?" Turney said.

Mortimer repeated that everybody needed to get back to the ship.

The passenger was stunned by the conversation, even more so when, a few minutes later, Turney loaded an Argo with six passengers and drove off towards the Islands.

At 3.30pm the second Argo, this time with only a driver, was sent to evacuate the remaining passengers.

But what I find even more revelatory are these comments by the reporters tacked on to the end of the article:

This account has been reconstructed from interviews with members of the Australasian Antarctic Expedition 2013/14, most of whom wished to remain anonymous, who witnessed events or overheard conversations, and the report the voyage leader, Greg Mortimer, submitted to IAATO.

Mortimer declined to comment on his report.

The Shokalskiy's captain, Igor Kielev, did not respond to Fairfax Media's emails.

Chris Turney and Chris Fogwill, the expedition leaders, also declined to comment on specific questions regarding events on December 23.

Nicky Phillips and Colin Cosier (the 2 reporters who wrote this story) travelled on board the Aurora Australis as part of the Australian Antarctic Division's media fellowship program.

Looks to me like a whole lot of ass covering, and plenty of people angry at Turney but speaking anonymously in order to avoid incoming flack from Turney and his media supporters.

G'nite.

clarice

Monckton's a smart an honest fellow but he is not an expert on American constitutional law.

Any way--back to business. If the dolphins took out the sharks which took out Fuddy, who took out the dolphins--and do not say the giant squid..that's clearly impossible.

narciso

Well because you are, by the choice you made for him. unfortunately we're stuck on this SS Minow as well;

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116277/president-obama-talks-us-were-children

maryrose

narciso:
Obama will be nailed to the wall for his illegal "recess appointments" Meanwhile he will use our taxpayer dollars to mount a defense to no avail. Waste of money. My guess-Obama will remove all troops because that is what his base wants. A pox on him and his phony war and his constant disrespect for the troops.
WRT to clinton and his sordid past-why was he elected in the first place. The tapes of Gennifer Flowers came out during the campaign. Was lying on 60 Minutes while holding Hil's hand supposed to erase all that predatory behavior?

Jane-Rebel Alliance1

Maryrose,

That's an interesting observation. I assume some people are driven by service, lots more by power and money. The thing I've always found weird is being good at getting elected has nothing to do with being good at elected office.

I still believe all pols should be forced to stay in their districts and telecommute.

Threadkiller

That is probably why he is running odds on the purported BC, clarice, and not The Constitution.

narciso

Vizzini chimes in, what the heck are you saying here;


David Remnick's long profile of President Obama in this week's New Yorker gives the president numerous opportunities to speak at length about a variety of subjects and events. Remnick's piece is not edited in the style of most New Yorker stories, perhaps because Remnick himself felt that the best way for readers to really "get" Obama was to let him talk (and talk), largely uninterrupted. The portrait that emerges is not so different from the picture most people who follow politics already have of the president: serious, reserved, rather dispassionate, cerebral, intellectual, and proud of his own self-awareness.

Threadkiller

Daddy, how does one go about finding the results or progress of the investigation into why Fuddy's plane stalled?

JiB (On the 6th Ring of Typhus Hell)

Mrs. JiB took a QE trans-atlantic crossing with her parents back in 2000 and they sat us all at a table with another couple. She turned out to be the president of the mystery book club of America (or something like that) and he turned out to be the Chief Psychologist for the US Navy's Dolphin Development Program (retired).

He was not forthcoming but he did reveal that whatever you could imagine a dolphin could do then you'd be right. All he said is that they are incredibly ease to train and are forever loyal.

Well, we know live right down the road from Marineland and the Dolphin Conservancy Center where Frederick has done SeaCamp 3 years in a row. Included is a full day of swimming and interaction wit the dolphins. Quite impressive the tricks even a 10 year old kid can learn and teach a dolphin in matter of hours.

Frederick denies any involvement in Mrs. Fuddy's demise, however.

Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet

Just got around to reviewing about 200 comments on several threads.

I was so glad to see that Beasts is back among us. From my experience, CA sucks, but daughters can be a great tonic. I suspect cars, gambling, a few cold ones and a good dose of blues and rock and roll don't hurt either;>}

Also glad to see Clarice hammer the annoying and odious TBT. And she did it without resort to those deadly pistolas.

Danube on iPad

"Is that the tutorial from the meerkat expert?"

I don't know who you're referring to. There are many on the web you can find by googling.

J.Fred Muggs

....and I....

anonamom

I had a two week absence recently---did anyone read Remnick's
New Yorker article on JEF?
I feel like I should, but I haven't been up to doing so.

I already want my time spent reading Dreams From My Father back.

Threadkiller

Here is the article that inspired the professor to write the cult article that Peter linked on the previous thread:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/01/m-obamas_other_big_lie.html

Here is info on the author:

"Nick Chase is a retired but still very active technical writer, technical editor, computer programmer, and stock market newsletter writer.  During his career he has produced documentation on computers, typewriters, typesetters, headline-makers, and other pieces of equipment most people never heard of, and he has programmed typesetting equipment.  You can read more of his work at contrariansview.org."

What is the background of the video-tutorial creator?

Gmax

hahahahaha

Both WaPo and CNN running stories on Wendy Davis veracity ( or lack there of ). I said she was threatening to head into Chris Bell territory and she may well achieve that distinction. Bell had to split the vote with three other competitors so slumping to that with just one competitor is going to make Wendy special. Short bus special.

daddy

TK,

Beats me. I do not have an Aviation Safety background. You might start here on the NTSB website of accident queries: NTSB Aviation Database Query Page

Looks like you'd need to go thru some of the stories to find out exactly the type of aircraft and the specific tail-number of the crashed plane, the dates and times of the launch and crash, and some of the other things asked on the Query page website.

These investigations often move with the slowness of glaciers, so I have no idea if an investigation is going on, and if so, how long it will take.

Just FYI as a possible benchmark, our plane that crashed in Narita Japan in 2009 with 2 deaths, and was caught on video, did not have it's NTSB Investigation concluded until 2013. That was a high publicity crash, in broad daylight at the New Tokyo International Airport, with tons of witnesses and black boxes etc, and lots of politicking as well, so who knows if or when some light plane that dumps in the drink on a sightseeing tour will generate a prelim conclusion. I sure don't know.

narciso

it has to be taken in small doses, the egotism and category error in it, uncorrected by the interviewer is toxic in it's entirety,

centralcal

This is for Janet. Saw it on twitter, entitled "Loathsome Dove" LOL!

Danube on iPad

"What is the background of the video-tutorial creator?"

His background is such that he can take is own birth certificate, scan it, and open the resulting pdf in Adobe Illustrator with multiple apparent layers.

Threadkiller

That is good to know, Danube.

Threadkiller

Thanks daddy. I will see what I can find.

NK(withnewsoftware)

Narciso-- who's quote was that at 400?

386J-I-B289

Anyone want to guess this locale?

Jane-Rebel Alliance1

Anonamom,

Welcome back. And I didn't read it.

Threadkiller

Loretta Fuddy's Brother Questions Autopsy Results...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LyYemiv1g0

clarice

Told you we shoulda got rid of those yapping dolphins..they know too much.

Janet

Anyone want to guess this locale?

Kapiolani Medical Center For Women & Children?

Truthbetold

Clarice

Is Marc Grossman a friend of yours? And Howard?

narciso

A writer from what used to be called 'the New Republic', the dolphins said nothing but 'Goodbyhe and Thanks for all the Fish;

Gmax

TBT is Groucho Marx a friend of yours? How about Harpo? Or is it you just like to act like a clown?

NK(withnewsoftware)

Daddy-- did you check the TK video @4:41?
The water landing of that aircraft was incredibly benign as far as the passenger compartment was concerned. There was some jarring of the camera, but that's it.
The sea state looked to be about 8" chop, what would water temp be, 65F? Why did this one woman in the water die? ask the Dolphins.

Truthbetold

Gmax

Clarice would not want to hide the fact that Grossman is a friend.

Would she?

Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet

What difference at this point does it make? Inquiring minds want to know.

386J-I-B289

Your overweight, corpulent, have a bad ticker and voila - YOUR PLANE CRASHES - and your supposed to remain calm,collected and the heart rythmatic?

clarice

Neither one of us knows Marc Grossman. Anyone else in the DC phonebook you have an interest in, nitwit?

Here's some good info:http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/01/22/how_obamas_job_approval_could_sway_senate_races.html

Truthbetold

Clarice

Yes, do you know Ahmed Chalibi?

narciso

The only noticeable thing about Grossman, is he seems to 'failed upward' to Afghan/Pakistan coordinator, and that has worked out gang busters,

clarice

No. I don't. Do you? Enough of this crap. You're now officially invisible to me.

Threadkiller

NK, I remember a report syaing the water temp was 77-78 degrees. I can't find it now but here is some data from the chain of islands:

http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/hawaii.html

Truthbetold

Clarice

Sorry for the typo

That's, Do you know Ahmed Chalabi?

Threadkiller

Bad ticker?

No evidence of that prior to it stopping.

henry

Clarice, a Japanese fishing village was all set to eat the dolphins until Caroline Kennedy opened her maw and blew their cover.

narciso

Judith Warner, is silly enough to invoke Zombie Graham Chapman, re Taranto;


"When you say to women, to get out of poverty you should get married, my question to them is how many men you have to marry," she said. "Marrying a $10-an-hour man gets you nowhere, so you'd really have to marry three or four."

Mind you that is not the most absurd thing she has said in years,

386J-I-B289

Shouldn't we all take an oath to not respond to TBT until "it" reveals its identity and interest in Clarice? It is cyber stalking of the most subtle but overt kind.

TBT, what are you hiding? Clarice has answered more of you questions and every one knows who she is but you are only a cipher and pretty petty one at that. Show up, stand up or sit the fuck down.

Truthbetold

Clarice

Chalabi is one of Richard Perle's good friends.

Are you saying you never met him?

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