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Jane-curling is on!

Marijuana is boring. But here is a frightening story. A cop came into talk to 16 year old kids working to get their driver's license in the next town. His entire talk involved how much marijuana you can have when driving, or how to not get arrested and lots of other pot tips.

Personally I think he should be fired.

rich@gmu

don't most states already have impaired dirving and wreckless driving statutes?

how about a non invasive skin test or apply field sobriety tests for impairment not just alcohol?

MarkO on the laptop in a deposition

Dude.

Beasts of England

I was gonna write a comment until I got high.

- with apologies to Afroman

jimmyk

vissini chimes in

Huh, he didn't even say it was "inconceivable!"

narciso

Maybe he should just turn himeslf in, at this point;


https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/02/05/alle-f05.html

Beasts of England

One obvious solution (which may be implicit in the response of the experts above) is to criminalize impaired driving behavior, regardless of the cause. Weaving, speeding, inappropriate lane changes, and so on can all be grounds for a traffic citation regardless of, or despite the lack of, a pharmaceutical explanation.

Or in the case of marijuana, driving under the speed limit and laughing really hard, while eating some Taco Bell.

GMax

Via Politico we learned its just not fun in the minority and that there is no prospect of that changing, thus:

New Jersey Rep. Rush Holt, an 8-term Democrat, will not seek reelection in 2014

Another one bites the dust.

Jack is Back

Slovakia come back in the 3rd is about to give Doc Emrick a heart attack. Whoever wins this one is going to be adreniline free for the US game.

NK(withnewsoftware)

Holt gone?... rats... ship

Danube of Thought

If marijuana blood tests are detecting usage from several days ago, that is not helpful.

I'm not so sure. It sends the message that if you're going to smoke up, you'd better not get behind the wheel for a few days, even if you're not impaired.

George

Here in Pennsylvania it is already illegal to drive (whether impaired or not) with certain BAC measured within 2 hours of driving or with recreational chemicals in your blood. The bad news for users is that maryjane hangs around the bloodstream for a good long time after the thrill is gone.

GMax

Apparently the streets of Caracas are full. Perhaps we will have Maduro swinging from a lamppost soon? More likely he will flee to that other workers paradise, Cuba.

Jack is Back

You have to be kidding me.

Its only 24 seconds but worth the chuckle.

narciso

Some times pictures tell the tale;

http://twittervenezuela.co/

Maric Colina, is the other opposition leader

Beasts of England

After The JEF finished his round of golf at Ellison's private course, he celebrated President's day with his favorite sport:

Jack is Back

narciso,

Wonder how Evo Morales is feeling right now:)?

NK(withnewsoftware)

maduro will be on the plane to Havana (or Tehran) when the Forex runs out, and he can't pay the bribes to the poor, and he cuts military wages, and they suffer like everyone else from his socialist fantasy.

narciso

Really, Veneezuela is the lifeline for more then half the continent, some what like supernan's cape;


https://twitter.com/ReportaVE/status/435835476948164608/photo/1

jimmyk

Morales is charging that the US is financing a coup d'etat in Venezuela. Does he know who our President is? That's even less likely than the US supporting Israel over Pali terrorists.

http://www.plenglish.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2391181&Itemid=1

Old Lurker

Good one, JiB.

I have had days like that.

narciso

We ignore what that drooling moonbat is a tricolor track suit says, only what he does.

mad jack

Hey, Dave in Mass: the bonus with the Venezuelan implosion is that we may not have to listen to those Joe for Oil propaganda pieces extolling the virtues of the "Venezuelan people" for giving Joe Kennedy free oil. The downside is Joe might be out of his $1,000,000 a year gig giving away the free oil and decide to run for public office again.

Jack is Back

Anyone understand Twitter and who it works? I have noticed that someone is using my twitter account/profile/avatar to tweet articles that link to Pamela Geller @ Atlas Shrugged. Up to over a 1K now.

I have no problem with Geller but I am pissed someone is using my account without my permission. Going to shut it down if it doesn't stop.

Jack is Back

...how it works....

rich@gmu

Melvin Reynolds...thought that name was familiar. Clinton granted him clemeny .

"Just hours before he left office Saturday, President Clinton ordered Mel Reynolds released from prison, commuting the former Chicago Democratic congressman's sentence as part of a flurry of last-minute clemency grants."

Ignatz

--Morales is charging that the US is financing a coup d'etat in Venezuela.--

If he's talking about financing Chavez's and now Maduro's, he may be right.

Ignatz

Does clarice know Mel Reynolds?

hit and run

I never smoked a lot of weed, but I smoked a little in both high school and first couple of years in college. Not much, but when it was offered/available, I didn't think twice.

I remember the last time I was offered pot.

It was the same summer I was working in Yellowstone. Had been hanging out with a girl a little bit. One day we passed each other in the parking lot. She stopped me and asked, "You wanna get high?"

I think Nancy Reagan really got through to me. I just said no.

Her name was, and this is my favorite part, Fancy.

I like that name, Fancy. Fancy just kinda rolls off the tongue.

F a n c y

Fancy is a good name.

rich@gmu

"Just hours before he left office Saturday, President Clinton ordered Mel Reynolds released from prison, commuting the former Chicago Democratic congressman's sentence as part of a flurry of last-minute clemency grants."

Guess the change in scenery didn't help.


Marlene

The BAC in Maine is .08. A Drug Recognition Expert is called to evaluate a driver who is driving while impaired,but with a BAC of less than .08. The drug screening tests are expensive and the results take weeks. A DRE on the York,Maine police force is quoted in a recent seacoast online article. The cases he has been involved with are pot/alcohol and pot/prescription drugs. The stoners,meth heads, oxy abusers and just plain drunks have little regard for endangering others.

MILSPEC has many meanings

"If marijuana blood tests are detecting usage from several days ago, that is not helpful.

I'm not so sure. It sends the message that if you're going to smoke up, you'd better not get behind the wheel for a few days, even if you're not impaired"

How many of little sense, and that includes those who get behind the wheel stoned, will make that jump if they already lack the perspective necessary for good judgement?

Let's just retroactively enforce the Law with random hair tests up to 90 days after indulging.

"Have you operated a vehicle in the last 90 days? You're under arrest.

Old Lurker

I know for a fact that Clarice was in DC once at the same time Mel Reynolds was in Congress, and get this, her husband's law partners actually had lunch in DC that same summer!

Come on, Clarice, fess up!

Jack is Back

No kidding!

henry

Uh oh. 9 dead in renewed protests in Kiev. (per BBC).

Dave (in MA)

mad jack, I look forward to the day when I can quit trying to explain to the wife why I get annoyed with Firecracker Joe "just doing something nice for the poor people", though I hope it transpires in a peaceful as possible manner.

NK(withnewsoftware)

No fire and brimstone, but the WSJ damns Stimulus! (and Krugman) nicely here: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303945704579387692278347858?mod=trending_now_4

Porchlight

Wow, so there are unintended negative consequences of marijuana legalization. Gee, no one told us this might happen.

Dave (in MA)

JiB, change your password and you should be OK.

Jane-curling is on!

I'm pretty sure Clarice is behind the new foot of snow I'm looking at, and she is going to have to pay for it.

NK(withnewsoftware)

This has got to be the coldest snowiest (number of accumulating snow events) in Southern New England in 35 years.

Jane-curling is on!

Are you guys following what is going on in the Ukraine?

hit and run

Jane:
I'm pretty sure Clarice is behind the new foot of snow I'm looking at, and she is going to have to pay for it.

She's expanding her pike and pitchfork business to include snow shovels. The revolution is taking longer to develop than the original business plan called for, so there is an excess in inventory, and major components could be re-purposed.

Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself

Credentialed Pervert Moron....

"Mel Reynolds, a former Rhodes scholar, served as an Illinois congressman from 1993 to 1995.

In 1994, the sitting congressman was indicted for sexual assault and criminal sexual abuse for a relationship with a 16-year-old volunteer during his 1992 campaign. Reynolds was convicted in 1995 on sexual assault and solicitation of child pornography charges and resigned on October 1st of the same year.

While serving a five-year prison sentence, Reynolds was convicted of 15 unrelated counts of bank fraud and lying to SEC investigators, adding 78 months to his prison term. His sentence was commuted by President Bill Clinton in 2001."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-mel-reynolds-arrested-20140218,0,2131790.story

Danube on iPad

"How many of little sense, and that includes those who get behind the wheel stoned, will make that jump if they already lack the perspective necessary for good judgement?"

You're assuming that everybody who smokes weed lacks the perspective necessary for good judgment, which is not remotely true.

A year ago it was illegal to smoke weed in Colorado. All I'm suggesting is that it now be illegal only to smoke it within 72 hours before driving a car. Not exactly a police state.

Captain Hate

Are you guys following what is going on in the Ukraine?

Yes

Jane-curling is on!

She's expanding her pike and pitchfork business to include snow shovels.

AHA! That explains a lot!

Where is it going Cap'n?

Jack is Back

Clarice,

Do you know Dr. Louis Uccellini?

NK(withnewsoftware)

Economist poll not as anti-obama is we hoped. Oh well: http://hotair.com/archives/2014/02/18/do-71-of-obama-voters-regret-voting-for-obama/

matt

A 5 panel pee test costs $0.80. A 10 panel cist @ $1.50, and a 15 panel, which will even catch Seboxin (a opiate drug used to wean heroin addicts off) and Spice (synthetic marijuana) is $2.40

Don't tell me we can't test. Have them pee right there or at the station.

Intoxication varies by degree, but is still intoxication. Reaction times slow down and judgment degrades. Where the bar is set is critical.

Miss Marple

No one ever asks me if I know anybody.

Of course I don't. I live in an area with which my odds of crossing paths with people of importance is exactly zero.

On the other hand, no one bothers me on JOM, so there is an advantage.

Captain Hate

Hard to say, Jane; the country is divided between East and West thanks to the Rooskis that Stalin relocated there. I think the western leaning ones will prevail but it won't be without a fight and having Jugears McFly in charge here doesn't make their task any easier.

MILSPEC has many meanings

" All I'm suggesting is that it now be illegal only to smoke it within 72 hours before driving a car"

I was referring to the judgement allowing one to drive while high.

And why limit it to 72 hours? The effects have worn off after 6 hours.

If retroactive enforcement is ok, make it 3 months.

centralcal

I'm pretty sure Clarice is behind the new foot of snow I'm looking at, and she is going to have to pay for it.

Funny, I hear rumors that she caused the California drought, too.

A dangerous woman, that Clarice.

Ignatz

How about if a person is driving erratically/recklessly AND has pot in their system there is a presumption of driving under the influence?
No pot; it's just reckless driving at worst.

Right now people get DUIs if their blood alcohol is over a certain level even if they were stopped for a broken taillight and may or may not have even been significantly impaired.

Seems to me poor driving combined with pot in the system renders a fairly likely presumption.

Jack is Back

MM,

Everytime you get 10 inches of snow when your were told to only expect 4 inches of snow, then you know Dr. Louis Uccilleni but by his nom de plume - That F**king Lying Weatherman:)

mad jack

In my criminal trial days I rarely lost a drunk driving case in front of a jury. Generally only tried cases where no breathalyzer was taken or where I was able to disqualify the test. It was not that difficult to sow reasonable doubt in a jury. The same will be the case with dope. English was a second language with most written police reports and impeaching the cop with his own report was standard. Things may have improved on that end in the last 25 years but I doubt it. Proving a doped up loser was a doped up loser at the time he was driving, absent a legitimate test, is going to be a very difficult chore.

Old Lurker

CC, I heard that Clarice was able to divert water from crops that feed babies to snow makers in New England who lost control of their snow making machines. No doubt her associates played a role, don't you think?

I also think she uses the JOM site to collect ID's which she sells to associates in Belarus.

Jack is Back

Mad Jack,

Especially when you dress the loser for court in a bow tie and flat-top hair cut:)

Porchlight

Looks like that poll about Obama voters regretting their vote wasn't what we thought:

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/02/18/do-71-of-obama-voters-regret-voting-for-obama/

The sample was limited to the group of respondents who had already said earlier in the poll that they voted for O in 2012, but if they could do it over, they would not vote for him again. Only those respondents were asked if they regretted their vote.

mad jack

Hair pulled back in a neat pony tail and the bow tie should work as well :-)

Danube on iPad

"And why limit it to 72 hours?"

I'm assuming that that's the legth of time after you smoke that it can be detected. And I'm not talking about retroactive enforcement; I'm proposing a law that says "it is unlawful to drive with detectable marijuana in your system."

MILSPEC has many meanings

You can go back months if you take a sample of hair, and that is detectable marijuana in your system.

Is the issue DUI? If so, then impairment should be the criteria, not how long THC (oil soluable) is in your system.

Jack is Back

I have wanted to post about "Benefits Street" the great docu-drama from Channel 4 in Great Britain but never got around to it. If you are unfamiliar with it and its premise go to the link below to a good Telly article.

But the question remains, for me, who of the MSM would ever be brave enough in this country to do a docu-drama titled "Entitlement Boulevard" or something similiar?

Link

Miss Marple

Back to Mel Reynolds. He was MAKING PORN MOVIES in that hotel room.

Now, why would he do that? I assume to sell. Is he a ringleader in world-wide porn? And what about those women? Were they really models or poor women desperate for a little money? AND were they underage?

Where was he before he went to Zimbabwe? Who has he been hanging around with?

This is a very mysterious event and one I will be interested in folloiwng.

African countries are far, far stricter about stuff like that than people let on. (Example, how outraged the African bishops and officials were at Obama trying to push abortion in their countries as well as birth control.) They will not take kindly to this.

MILSPEC has many meanings

Hair-strand tests for alcohol also go back several months.


http://www.familylawweek.co.uk/site.aspx?i=ed71707

Would it be necessary to require a test for substance in the system for both, instead of just marijuana. Again, if impairment is the issue, then 72 hours is outside the parameter.

Danube on iPad

"Is the issue DUI? If so, then impairment should be the criteria"

It isn't for alcohol. If you blow a .08 you're going down, impaired or not. No impairment need be shown, and lack of impairment is not a defense.

Jane-curling is on!

They appear to be burning Kiev to the ground.

Jane-curling is on!

I'm not sure who the "they' is.

MILSPEC has many meanings

Breathalyzer is usually contemporaneous with the alleged violation, so I'm not sure how it applies. 'Impairment' of .08 is a legal definition, not a clinical definition. The law assumes you are impaired at that level, so yes 'impairment' is the issue.

Jane-curling is on!

CC, I heard that Clarice was able to divert water from crops that feed babies to snow makers in New England who lost control of their snow making machines. No doubt her associates played a role, don't you think?

OL,

That was confirmed to me yesterday by no other than my dear friend VDH. So I know it is true.

Miss Marple

By the way, at the end of the Daily Mail article on Reynolds (and I was right, mere possession of pornography is a felony in Zimbabwe) there is this little tidbit:

Some of Reynolds work in Zimbabwe includes work as a middle-man for investors who bankrolled a $145 million Hilton hotel and a related office complex that is scheduled to begin construction in April.
--------------------------

So, who were those investors? Why is there going to be a big, new Hilton in Zimbabwe? Lots of weird stuff in that story.

henry

In the upper 40s here, where is that sunscreen?

Mad Jack, I get the impression most police reports are cut & paste these days.

Cecil Turner

When you're driving down the highway at night,
And you're feelin' that sativa bite;
Don't give Jacky Herer a ride,
Cause Pepdawg is right by your side;
At the courthouse have the hearing postponed . . .
You can't convict a man for driving while stoned.

Old Lurker

You know, Jane. I think Clarice is bringing her mother up from Florida so she can be put to work in those illicit activities. Drug running, maybe?

Cecil Turner

I'm also concerned about Clarice's friends.

Then again, at least she has friends.

Old Lurker

Where is Fat Boy's skinny friend when you need him?


"New Jersey is in a pickle as a rule of the high seas shuts off the flow of salt to keep roads clear.

State officials are now being forced to turn to a briny pickle juice-like mixture as an alternative to de-ice the roads, while racing to get a federal waiver that is currently holding up a 40,000-ton shipment of rock salt.

The salt is sitting at a port in Maine, docked until New Jersey officials obtain a federal waiver. Once that is done, it will take two days to ship the load from Maine to Newark.

The shipment is being denied entry because it’s on a vessel that isn’t flying under a U.S. flag – a violation of the 1920 federal Maritime Act -- also known as The Jones Act -- that requires shipments to arrive on a ship with goods traveling between two U.S. ports to be flying the American flag.

New Jersey Transportation Commissioner Jim Simpson said during a radio interview that the nearest U.S.-flagged vessel would take a month to deliver the shipment of salt.

"We've been going back and forth with the feds," Simpson said during the interview. "This is the kind of stuff we're dealing with. Even government, the federal government, gets in the way."
"

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Minimum Wage Hike = Job Killer

The CBO garners another Oak Leaf Cluster for its No Shit Sherlock ribbon. Elmendorf is going to wake up with a horse's head in his bed soon.

Tostone

Clarice is also responsible for the salt shortage.

Homemade sauerkraut takes a ton of salt in each barrel. Oh, and the shortage of juniper berries, too.

Old Lurker

And this will teach those free citizens in Connecticut not to ignore their masters on gun ownership self reporting.

Take this, serfs:

"A new law requiring motorists to remove snow and ice from their vehicles has become a new source of revenue for Connecticut.
State police are aggressively ticketing drivers who ignore the so-called 'ice missile' law.
Since the law took effect Jan. 1, state police have issued at least 230 tickets to truckers and motorists who were driving snow-covered vehicles.
At $120 per summons that amounts to $27,600 in tickets in a month and a half.
The fine is $75, plus $45 in various surcharges."

mad jack

I was trying cases before the PC hit the squad room and I'm sure they cut and past now. I'm also sure they cut and paste the wrong road and speed limit as well!

anon

Testing for THC intoxication is feasible.
Are we supposed to conveniently forget about urine/saliva testing? Are we supposed to buy the false argument that "testing for intoxication isn’t possible,” and that evidence of recent use is indistinguishable from evidence for prior exposure?

There are too many red herrings above to take these complaints seriously. Is the reasonable response to stoned driving a lowering of the alcohol BAC?

Society shouldn’t be looking to prohibit benign self-poisoning. My preference is 12 oz. liquid form, but I won’t intrude upon others’ methods if there isn’t a demonstrable reason to prohibit it.

Is this anything more than a proposition for cops to keep busy filling jail cells?

Frau Rauschgift

What about stoned streetcar drivers, teachers, cooks, construction workers, nurses and police who just want to lessen the tedium or stress connected to their occupations? Do we really need that? Not included are the sedentary federal workers and and elected congressional losers. The latter would receive the coveted presidential waiver, guaranteeing they could be forced to sit and pretend to listen to their colleagues speeches, "laughing really hard, while eating some Taco Bell."

Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself

Boy MM. The Chicago Tribune story didn't say he was making porn movies.

Frau Rauschgift

OL - I suggest the CT drivers unload their snow at the city hall and police station.
p.s.Color it yellow.

Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself

What about stoned streetcar drivers,

Hah!...yeah, what about THEM!!?!?

anon

Frau,

You’ve committed the greatest scarecrow falacy of them all. Just like
I wouldn’t tolerate people to work while drunk, I wouldn’t permit them to work stoned.

Quit mischaracterizing your opponents. It makes it obvious that the merits of your claim fail when actually debated, and it wastes everyone’s time. I appreciate debate, but you’ve demonstrated your philosophy is inferior.

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falacy

Now there's a real intalekshul at work.

Nice demonstration of inferiority, if that was your intent.

anon

Should I really care about professional appearance on a blog where people are posting irrational stream-of-consciousness bullshit based on their knee-jerk opinion?

I have better things to do with my time than type this in a program that gives me red squiggly lines under every miskeying.

But kudos on not addressing the substance of the debate. It takes a big man to be so arrogant while not defending his position.

Miss Marple

Janet,

Of course not. I suggest going to the daily mail link. I don't think they can keep a lid on this because the UK papers picked it up. And that Daily Mail story also points out that when he was caught with that 16-year-old and went to prison, it opened the way for Barack Obama to get into the Illinois legislature taking Alice Palmer's seat.

I am so grateful to the UK press, which still apparently understands how to report news!

Captain Hate

They appear to be burning Kiev to the ground.

Posted by: Jane-curling is on! | February 18, 2014 at 04:54 PM
Jane-curling is on!

I'm not sure who the "they' is.

Western-leaning protesters. Putin has urged the government to crack down on them but I think they (the government) is afraid of escalating things. I'm thinking the protesters are counting on Volodya not wanting bad publicity while hosting the Olympic games although this recent face off has been building for a while.

Jack is Back

Hey, a big man with conviction and substance who is named anon. Where do we find such people but in the troll kingdom.

No one believes someone who is a keyboard coward and hides behind an idiotic nom de plume.

Porchlight

I wouldn’t tolerate people to work while drunk, I wouldn’t permit them to work stoned.

I know lots of people who habitually work while stoned and I bet their bosses say the same thing.

Miss Marple

Hey, anon.

There are plenty of places on the web for people with your intellectual talents.

Go there.

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