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NK(withnewsoftware)

Don't prosecutors call that a confession?

PS: Great find TomM!

NK(withnewsoftware)

PS: kind of a rough title for the thread, no? Do you clear that with your layers of fact-checkers and libel counsel?

Truthbetold

Clarice
Which version do you want us to believe?


Feldman 2007

"Former CIA head Tenet, who insisted the Department of Justice investigate a routine referral for reasons which are still unclear but seem to be pique and revenge?"

Feldman 2014

"CIA official's John Rizzo's revelations in new book, Company Man: Thirty Years of Controversy and Crisis in the CIA, establish beyond peradventure of doubt that the Plame case was a hoax, stirred up by her husband and Patrick Fitzgerald."

NK(withnewsoftware)

Is this troll to effin' stupid or just too mentally ill to understand they are not inconsistent?

NK(withnewsoftware)

t0 = too

Truthbetold

NK
Are you really that stupid that you do not see it?

centralcal

NK - don't respond to the troll, please.

NK(withnewsoftware)

moi?

Truthbetold

NK

Maybe a side by side comparison will help you comprehend.

I Call for Justice (2007)
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/03/i_call_for_justice.html

Proof that the Plame case was a hoax (2014)
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/01/proof_that_the_plame_case_was_a_hoax.html


Truthbetold

NK

Here is another Feldman oldie for you to compare to the present day turnabout.

The CIA's war on Bush
http://www.americanthinker.com/2004/11/the_cias_war_on_bush.html


NK(withnewsoftware)

'revelations'-- what's the definition of that word again?

Truthbetold

NK

You mean like this one.

Murray Waas: Plamegate cover-up is “something that is bigger than Watergate”

http://illinoispaytoplay.com/2014/02/01/murray-waas-plamegate-cover-something-bigger-watergate/

peter

do not engage

Truthbetold

NK

Take Peter's advice.

Ignatz

Finally, I agree with TBT.

Truthbetold

Listen to your friends NK

It's for your own good.

Threadkiller

I hate to be a pill, but that is how I roll.

NK engaged TBT with a specific claim. Now NK is getting cover from the gallery to not take TBT out. This is the equivalent of having someone "hold you back" to avoid a fight.

If anybody ever tried to hold me back after I initiated a fight, they needed a black-belt in something because they were now in the fight.

I say we watch NK bust TBT's chops.

Or, is there a fear that he may not be victorious?

NK(withnewsoftware)

TK-- your birth certificate stuff is more entertaining.

I'm no comment pacifist, nor am I overly sensitive to commenters who have a much lower tolerance to debate and bickering than I do. But sometimes, common courtesy dictates that one doesn't engage in useless bickering which serves no purpose. So I am taking good advice.

But I realize that both of those concepts are somewhat remote for you. Sorry to be so blunt.

rich@gmu

bust away, but keep it here and clutter up the other threads.

good grief this shitdick has been gnawing away on a 7 year old story...ripe enough for Woody Allen.

Ignatz

--Or, is there a fear that he may not be victorious?--

There's a fear we'll get more of this endless, stupid, cross-thread p2p bullshit.

Threadkiller

The concept of you backing up your sniping is the only thing I find to be more remote, but I have learned to live with it.

/blunt

rich@gmu

and NOT clutter up the other...damn it, drinking time, later.

Threadkiller

Yeah, Ig, I agree with you on the cross-thread stuff. I have been guilty of that in the past, I I cleaned that part of my act up. I hope TBT does the same.

Either way, NK picked this thread to engage him.

Rumble time!

Truthbetold

Rich

Clarice's story is three weeks old.


Proof that the Plame case was a hoax
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/01/proof_that_the_plame_case_was_a_hoax.html

NK(withnewsoftware)

There's nothing to rumble about that's the point the advice givers made, and they are right.

And TK 'backing up'? linking to shite posted by madmen isn't persuasive, so by no rational definition is that 'back up'... Do you think it is? You've learned to live with that? not good.

Threadkiller

I guess I will learn to live with you calling something "not inconsistent", but failing to make your point.

At least that is consistent.

Now, go get 'em, NK!

NK(withnewsoftware)

TK-- I understand your natural sympathy for this particular troll. Its recent pathological repetition of 'conflict of interest' was highly evocative of your comments about the 'you know what' topic. So a natural sympathy from you there.

NK(withnewsoftware)

So let's talk about your conflict of interest TK.... I am told there are photos of you and this troll splitting a latte. Why are these photos suppressed? Prove that you are not responsible for that suppression. I'm waiting.

Threadkiller

There you go again. NK.

Threadkiller

If you are scared of TBT, why not just say it?

NK(withnewsoftware)

Now THAT's funny!

Threadkiller

LOL!

NK(withnewsoftware)

We love you TK; I have no idea when you're serious or you jest (hmmm is that my defect or yours?.... no matter.) Best.

Threadkiller

Best to you too.

FWIW, I did want to see a debate.

Truthbetold

TK

Have you ever seen NK in a real debate?

NK(withnewsoftware)

TK-- I'll make a brief serious point. I am for debate, very much for it. But debate to me is meant to not only entertain spectators, but provide facts and hopefully insight to them. Trolling on the other hand has no such purpose, it is purely self-indulgent. No implication that you've crossed the line to do anything other than debate here... although... I do think you've approached the line and gazed over it at times :). Best.

Threadkiller

TBT, yes I have. I wish he would have followed up on his remark to you.

I have zero stake in the outcome, but I would have liked to see something thoughtful and logical come out of your post vs his claim.

This can be an excellent forum for debate.

Truthbetold

Spoken like a liberal

Threadkiller

No doubt I have crossed the line, NK.

Truthbetold

TK

That "spoken like a liberal" comment was directed at NK

Threadkiller

Why are you trying to persuade the mind of a liberal, TBT?

Threadkiller

I assumed so, TBT. My question still stands.

Truthbetold

I'm not. Everyone knows you can't persuade a liberal with facts.

Threadkiller

So, you are trolling?

Threadkiller

Look, normally I would do this all day long.

Not today.

Good luck with your quest, TBT.

NK(withnewsoftware)

Heh, heh... very Darrowesque.

jimmyk

Great, I come to the thread having narcisolated TBT and the entire thread has devolved after two posts to a dialogue about the troll.

On topic, my view of Allen's guilt has shifted a bit based on the link yesterday. Now I'm not so sure. I don't really think this shifts my view one way or the other. Comedians say outrageous things for laughs, and sometimes they aren't funny, but it doesn't amount to a confession.

Truthbetold

TK

If you wish to say I was trolling for liberals and NK is the liberal that bit.

OK, I can live with that.

However, my intentions are to educate some conservative individuals who are being misguided.

NK(withnewsoftware)

Confession to People Magazine-- by the same token JimmyK, if WoodMan can take comedic license in talking to People Magazine, why aren't the rest of us free to take literary license and call his bad joke a confession?

miguel cervantes

NSA intercept
Date Unknown
Stat 1; Riyadh
Stat 2 Jiddah

So how goes it brother Alamoudi, all is well,

So dissapointing that they did not take the bait last fall, what matters when you oen the top officials in govt and they still won't do what you want,

Well the Midwestener, like bringing camels to the desert, thoroughly useless,

miguel cervantes

Cont.

not as easy as 10 years ago, we just had to have the errand boy Wilson they sent to Niger,

miguel cervantes

Well there's this fellow, looking around, from the city of the Syrian, asking question, mind you the wrong questions, but questions nonetheless,

matt

Hell, the man produced, wrote and directed several films dealing with relationships with underage girls and then left his wife and married his stepchild. That pretty much tells us who and what he is.

NK(withnewsoftware)

were he and Mia Farrow married?

jimmyk

No, they weren't married and didn't even live together.

Agreed, Matt, he's twisted, but that's all still a far cry from actual child abuse/pedophilia.

(A) nuther Bub

Trolling on the other hand has no such purpose, it is purely self-indulgent

As is responding to a troll, and that includes "Get outta here," and "Fuck you." They are all responses and give him/her the attention sought.

21_cathy_f_in_tripep@d_prison_98

Allen married the 19/20/21-yr old 17 years ago, and is still married to her. Certainly nothing in his history would have pointed to his ability to sustain a marriage for that long. She has a pretty tough history as well -- she was adopted out of an orphanage after being severely neglected as a child, and her adoptive parents divorced soon after adopting her.

Mr and Mrs Allen appear to be the most normal people in the story, given 17 years of hindsight, and I think that ought to count for something.

Frau Kuckucksuhr

I nominate A(Bub) as a replacement wise woman on the SC. She can take over for the two who rely on their political lady parts.

Frau Kuckucksuhr

IMO I can discount the versions from Mia and Woody (ewww), but the detailed account given by the baby sitter/nanny makes me wonder. Finally, it isn't easy to live with crazy adults.
That Mr. and (the present) Mrs. Allen are still married doesn't convince me they are more normal than, say, Anna Nicole Smith and her 89-year old lucky stiff.

Jane-Rebel Alliance1

Agreed, Matt, he's twisted, but that's all still a far cry from actual child abuse/pedophilia.

Is it?

jimmyk

Is it?

Yes, I think a middle-aged man marrying a 21-year-old is a far cry from a middle-aged man feeling up a 7-year-old girl. Not suggesting it's normal, and the fact that it was the adopted daughter of a former girlfriend is "twisted," as I said. But there's still a big difference.

Jane on Ipad

I dunno. That part I would agree with (an old guy marrying a young girl) but there is other evidence . I also think 19 is a little young for a midlife crisis. And if you have those urges I bet they come out in lots of ways.

I also can't imagine why someone would go public with that if it wasn't true - although I have no doubt some would.


My mind is not made up, but it's leaning against Allen.

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