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Jack is Back

How many days to pitchers and catchers? I know its close because I keep seeing lots of New York and CT. plates going south on 95 to the i-4 and over to the Gulf Coast.

MarkO

Wisely, Jeter chooses never to play with A-Rod again.

middyfeek

Okay Yankee fans (I'm happy to say I'm not one), who wore #2 before Jeter.?

What number did Mantle originally wear?

Jack is Back

Florida under attack by the ManBearPig weather machine:

Lots of thunder and lightning were we are and its February.

Jack is Back

MIke Gallego and Mantle was #6.

Any other questions?

Tom Maguire
Wisely, Jeter chooses never to play with A-Rod again.

Good point, although I guess sportswriters may let Jeter have his moment and not segue to ARod - for a nanosecond or two, anyway.

But on that topic! This is from the day the Yankees visited VaTech after the massacre:

As the principal owner George Steinbrenner watched coverage of the massacre last April, he was moved to help Virginia Tech. Steinbrenner donated $1 million to a memorial fund and asked team officials to arrange an exhibition game on campus.

...

After he left the game, Rodriguez sat on the Hokies’ bench for half an inning, signing autographs and talking baseball. He said the day was one of his proudest as a Yankee.

“Arguably, this is the most important game I’ve played in my Yankees career, because it makes you realize the important things in life and realize how fragile life can be,” Rodriguez said. “We’re all very proud to be here.”

I think it is fair to say that ARod was a complicated guy. He obviously knew the right thing to say (at that moment, anyway), and even said it. An erratic compass.

Danube on iPad

Jeter's final game will be in Fenway, of all places. I believe Sox fans will do the right thing.

No question that the Five Great Yankees are Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle and Jeter, with Mo at 5A.

This HOF nonsense traces back to the fact that Ruth was not unanimous. Ever since then there have always been a few morons who say "well, if Ruth wasn't unanimous then I'm going to make sure no one ever is."

narciso

A Rod is a jackalope, but Bosch is the facilitator seeming for everyone, the Max Jacobsen of PED.

hit and run

TM:
I think it is fair to say that ARod was a complicated guy

"Was" is so past tense.

henry

Too bad he's already played his last post-season game.

Jack is Back

I've never liked the idea of sports writers doing the voting but then they are the only constant with so many players and managers and umps not there when the balloting starts. Just like with the NFL, lots of bias and even hurt feelings (The guy didn't like to answer my questions, etc.).

Why not make an imperial decision and have Obama decide?

Ignatz

--This HOF nonsense traces back to the fact that Ruth was not unanimous.--

Not only was he not unanimous, I believe Ty Cobb got more votes.

peter

Another great Yankee to wear #2 was Frank Crosetti. He played shortstop and was a great player, but went on to be the Yankees' third base coach for decades. Crosetti was either a player or a coach with 23 World Series teams, a record. I think when they retire the number, they will have to split it with Crow, the way #8 was split between Yogi and Bill Dickey, who also had an amazing career, as both a player and manager, all with the Yankees.

middyfeek

Crosetti is the answer I was looking for. I must confess I never heard of Mike Gallego.

Jane on Ipad

Is Jeter known as as good a guy as he sounds?

hit and run

I feel bad for Miss Marple if she's watching the Olympics, what with Costas out again tonight. I know she'll be missing him.

mad jack

Jane: I understand he always gives his female guests a gift basket and an autographed baseball after they "visit".

Danube on iPad

Gallego was also a UCLA graduate with a history major:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Gallego

Jack is Back

Well Gallego was the last no. 2.

Olympics are a joke this year because NBC is doing time delay broadcasts after everyone knows the results from reading or webcasts. The great thing about the internet is that I know the results, don't have to watch Lauer, Costas and Viera plus if America wins I can just tune in when it does come on.

Hit, you did check the breakers, right?

hit and run

I trust daddy will be along at some point overnight to document Jeter's history of "female guests".

In the meantime...


hit and run

I did, JiB.

GMax

Jeter farewell tours is probably all Yank fans have to look forward to this season. Its gonna be a long season, methinks.

Stephanie VIP shhhhh its fight club

Pilot light? Our furnace is in the attic, too, and sometimes with really windy conditions we get backdraft down the exhaust vent that snuffs the pilot light out. Blower bows but no heat in that situation.

jimmyk

Is Jeter known as as good a guy as he sounds?

This may not be fair, but he's always struck me as having a sense of entitlement and an oversized ego even as athletes go. This dates back to when they got A-Rod, who had also been a SS, and arguably a better one than Jeter. The scuttlebutt was that Jeter insisted that A-Rod be the one to play 3B, though it might have been better for the team if Jeter had moved.

I've also thought him overrated as a defensive player. The joke was how often you would hear "Just past a diving Derek Jeter" about a ground ball.

So I'm not sure I'd put him in that pantheon with Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle, et al. But I'm a bit of a Yankee hater so take this all with a grain of salt.

hit and run

Upstairs unit is in attic - which is working. As per last thread, downstairs unit is most likely in crawl space. But I ain't going out there tonight.

But hell, I'll check the attic. Make mrs hit and run think I'm doing something.

Stephanie VIP shhhhh its fight club

Same situation could occur in crawl space, hit. The furnace can't and won't fire without the pilot light for a source. If your crawl space vents aren't closed, the wind can play havoc and let loose Mrs Hit.

MarkO

From a highly racist Federal Jury. How else?

Former New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, best remembered for his impassioned pleas for help after the levees broke during Hurricane Katrina, was convicted Wednesday of accepting bribes in exchange for helping businessmen secure millions of dollars in city work, including after the devastating storm.

Jack is Back

BTW, running in the 18th of Florida against that scumball Patrick Murphy, who beat Alan West last time out, is another conservative AA named Calvin Turnquest. Keep and eye out as his website is launched (under construction now).

Remember West only lost by 2K votes to a ex-jail bird.

Robin, not the 3rd Mrs. Paul Krugman

I had a crush on Thurman Munson.

Thomas Collins

Were you at the Beanpot championship game, mad jack, as well as the semis?

mad jack

Attended both days TC. I've been going for the past dozen years or so. I didn't go to any of the schools involved but I always root for my dad's school, Northeastern. He laughed when I first told him of my rooting interest and said to be prepared to be disappointed. He was right, as usual.

Donald

Jeter was a Chipper level fielder.

mad jack

Yankee infield defense promises to be absolutely brutal this year. Good thing their new Japanese Ace isn't a ground ball pitcher :-) Sorry TM. They should be signing Steven Drew pronto!

Threadkiller

How old is the furnace?

If less than 25 years old, it should be using an ignition device. I would not expect to see a pilot.

Do both units have AC?

sbw

Hmmm. I wonder if the Yankees have anyone who has shortstop experience that could take over for Jeter.

sbw

Someone who might be available next year.

Danube on iPad

Jeter may have a large ego, but he's managed a very lengthy career under one of the world's most powerful microscopes without a single public embarrassment.

NKonIPad

Sabremetricians show that Jeter has defensively surrendered more unnecessary runs than every other player in the history of MLB. Yes the Yanks will sign Drew, by Friday I reckon. The Jeter announcement is the perfect excuse to sign him for 3+ years; Jeter plays what maybe 70 games this year?

Threadkiller

Hit, did you run the propane tank empty?

If so, I like where Stephanie is heading with this.

Since you appear to have only one outdoor unit, I am assuming it is attached to the upstairs unit. The heat pump can provide heat as long as the outside temp stays high enough. Once it drops below a certain temp outside the Aux heat kicks in.

Aux heat can be eithed electric heat strips of fossil fuel. Since your upstairs tstat has a functioning Emergency Heat I am pretty sure that is the other end of the outside unit you saw. This most likely has a hot surface ignition. Meaning no pilot.

Now if the downstairs unit is a furnace only, it is entirely possible that it is old enough to have a pilot that went out if 1.) You ran the tank out or 2.) the gas man shut the valve off when he filled the tank.

Captain Hate

Jeter was a Chipper level fielder.

"Just past the reach of a diving Jeter."

jimmyk on iPhone

CH, see my 9:00.

Beasts of England

Accumulation over an inch, so far, and it's picking up its pace. The flakes aren't quite as large as earlier this week, but it's still beautiful. Snow is an excellent acoustic dampener, and with no wind, it's eerily quiet outside; adding to the enjoyment. If I had to shovel the stuff off of my driveway a few times per week, my mileage might vary.

NKonIPad

Ridicule we much this Jeter 'defense'.

Frau Hilflos in Seattle

TK - the gift that keeps on giving You da man!

OT - Our visitor David M. may be doing just fine but his fellow WA residents are in for an rude shock. The seattle PI tells us:

— Next year, Washington's health insurance marketplace will have to be run on less than a third of the money officials now have at their disposal.

Washington and the 13 other states running their own health insurance marketplaces all had federal grants to pay for start-up costs. Now the Washington Health Benefit Exchange will have to transition from federal grants totaling almost $150 million in 2014 to state dollars allocated by the Legislature of $40 million in 2015.

A very preliminary budget analysis by exchange officials makes some suggestions about how that might work: by putting zero dollars in marketing and advertising, spending nothing for computer and software upgrades, and slashing budgets for administrative and building needs.

"We're going to be running a much leaner machine in 2015,"said exchange spokesman Michael Marchand.


Will the Free Carp People ever wise up?
LUN

jimmyk

he's managed a very lengthy career under one of the world's most powerful microscopes without a single public embarrassment.

Ok, but that comes perilously close to saying that there should be extra credit for being a Yankee.

I'm not disputing that he's had a great career, but I don't give extra credit, and I'm just pointing out that the ego isn't just a PR thing, it affected the team.

This link supports what I said before about Jeter vs. A-Rod at SS. To my mind there are few sins of a team player more serious than putting yourself above what's good for the team.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20040316&content_id=651250&vkey=spt2004news&fext=.jsp&c_id=null

Danube on iPad

"Sabremetricians show that Jeter has defensively surrendered more unnecessary runs than every other player in the history of MLB."

I'd be intersted to know how that determination was made, and what the comparable ranking would be on a per-innings-played basis,

miss Marple

hit and run - Ha! Good one! I am watching the local team we sent to Sochi who have been doing much better human interest stories than NBC, including a fascinating interview wih the lady who is in charge of the restoration of St. Peter and Paul cathedral in St. Petersburg.

Which isn't really sports coverage, but I am interested in Russia.

Now I will bid you all good evening, because while I will agree baseball is a sport, I know nothing about it as Indy doesn't have a major league team.

I will agree I look forward to spring! Night, everyone!

Danube on iPad

"...that comes perilously close to saying that there should be extra credit for being a Yankee."

Not at all. It says only that, subject to the scrutiny that only a Yankees Captain would undergo, he remains unscathed. It isn't "extra credit"; it's simply a claim that can never be made on behalf of a Brewers' shortstop, about whose possible peccadiloes no one will ever know.

Danube on iPad

Also consider the possibility that Jeter, innocent of (or not accepting) the arcane Sabremetrics analysis, honestly considered himself a better shortstop than A-Rod. If he did, then he wasn't placing himself above the team's best interests at all.

jimmyk on iPhone

DoT, see my link at 11:34. Range factor is not so arcane. I don't doubt Jeter thought he was better than he really was. One would have to believe that Torre thought so. But it was much-discussed at the time. So either Torre asked and Jeter said no, or he felt he couldn't ask or order Jeter to move.

Ignatz

--Jeter may have a large ego, but he's managed a very lengthy career under one of the world's most powerful microscopes without a single public embarrassment.--

I'm not sure not being an embarrassment puts him in the pantheon with the other four.
Nowhere near it in my book, although he is a clutch player and a very good one.

Ignatz

Even if Torre thought A Rod a better SS he may have demurred on other grounds such as rewarding loyalty and seniority and team cohesion and morale.
Jeter was the heart of the team; A Rod hearts himself.
They're intangibles but they win more championships than a couple fewer booted grounders.

Ignatz

BTW before I turn in let me say I still have a cold, dark spot in my heart for Jeter regarding that game saving play at home against the A's several years back in the playoffs.

jimmyk

They're intangibles but they win more championships than a couple fewer booted grounders.

That goes both ways, Iggy. If Jeter had moved to 3B it would have been viewed as a great example of selflessness, putting the team ahead of himself, inspirational, etc., etc. Plus fewer ground balls turned into singles.

When Cabrera moved to 3B for Prince Fielder, that was the reaction. (Well, except for the "fewer ground balls turned into singles" part.)

Danube on iPad

"I'm not sure not being an embarrassment puts him in the pantheon with the other four."

I never remotely suggested that it did (the Ruth and Mantle embarrassments are the stuff of legend). Do five World Series championships and being the all-time hit leader carry any weight?

If Jeter is not in the all-time Five, who is? Yogi? Whitey? Arguable, but not persuasive to me.

Ignatz

Sure they carry some weight. I never remotely suggested that they didn't.
I consider the other four in a league of their own and the idea of an all time Five curious.

Yogi Berra = 10 world series titles, 3 MVPs, led a team with DiMaggio and Mantle in RBIs 7 times, 2 more world series wins as a Yankee's coach and unlike Jeter, a hall of fame defensive player.
Yeah I had to look em up to remind myself but in doing so persuaded myself maybe there should be a number Five and his first name aint Derek.

Danube on iPad

"I never remotely suggested that they didn't."

You sure had me fooled.

Yogi was extraordinary, but was never either a team Captain or the acknowledged team leader. His WS record is superlative, but scroll down the list of his teammates in those Series: few would claim that he was the best player on any of those teams. Then do the same with Jeter.

What is curious about an all-time Five? I began with the assumption there is nothing to discuss about the all-time Four, and then pondered who would be considered the Fifth if the number were to be expanded..

Danube on iPad

Actually, I guess there was no such thing as a Yankee captain until Steinbrenner. But I am in bed and unable to do some further needed research.

Nytol.

Ignatz

--You sure had me fooled.-

I said he was a clutch player and very good just not in the same league as the other four.

Being the second or third best player on perhaps the best team of all time doesn't mean you're inferior to the best player on a lesser team.

A very good case can be made Yogi was the best catcher not just as a Yankee, but of all time, period.
Is Jeter the best short stop of all time? He's probably not even the best short stop on his own team.

Dave (in MA)

What you mean "we", Kemosabe?

Danube on iPad

Derek Jeter World Serier batting average: .311

Yogi Berra: .274

hit and run

Good morning! Looks like we got about 5 inches yesterday and last night. Drive in to work was nice and tricky - I go on back roads and several had not been plowed. The snow has changed to the wintry mix, and everything is very crusty.


NKonIPad

DoT-- fWAR stats, career total.

The simple truth is that jeter started his career as a barely average defensive SS to becoming a running joke the last 10 years or so.

peter

Heavy Algore coming down here on Long Island, to be followed by freezing rain. Good day to stay at home and look up Yogi Berra's stats and compare them to Derek Jeter's. I know if my mom were still alive, there would be one stat that would cinch it for Yogi--Derek is only half Italian.

narciso

Question, what happened to the Yankees, did they run over a black cat, was it the salary cap,?

NKonIPad

Heavy snow now in coastal ct. Supposedly all the heavy stuff this morning will be snow and the afternoon change over will be light precip so hopefully no heavy icing, then snow late this evening. Bout 4" so far, probably 8" by midday, then sleet-rain. Maybe 10" when it s done tonight. Iam on metro north, I waited for a diesel and out of the windows visibility is maybe 3-400 yards. It s a nor'easter baby!

NKonIPad

Johnny Bench is the 'greatest' catcher in baseball history; mike piazza is the greatest hitting catcher in history and yogi is the most team successful catcher in history (all about the team for catchers) yogi v jeter who's the greater Yankee? Yogi of course, he was the catcher who handled the pitching staff and the most important contributor for team success. ( so says the man who was a catcher from age 8-17)

henry

OT, but interesting. The Milwaukee County Board just passed a "living wage" law. The details:

a) written and marketed by the SEIU through a dozen drafts to get it passed

b) union firms are exempt from paying the "living wage"

Pure extortion to force unions on private businesses. This fits the pattern of the latest delay in Obamacare, where companies must affirm that layoffs aren't due to ACA costs under penalty of law (except of course union firms get waivers), the IRS will no doubt leak any affirmations to the unions for more extortion / lawsuits.

NKonIPad

Henry that is word for word the SEIU playbook.just more smash and grab before the OPM runs out.

henry

NK, the state legislature is working on a bill to deal with this... it bans local "inflated wage" laws from applying to projects using state or federal funds. Apparently Madison passed a similar law.

hit and run

I can't tell you how disappointed I am that daddy has not given us the run down on Jeter's girlfriends.

I mean, come on, how much time does one need to fly over the Pacific Ocean anyway?

Oh well, to tide us over, here is a pic of Jeter with then-girlfriend Minka Kelly. Only I cropped out Kelly so as not to step on daddy's turf.


"Me? A top 5 Yankee of all time? Oh, stop!"

Captain Hate

Question, what happened to the Yankees, did they run over a black cat, was it the salary cap,?

That's a good question which I don't have an answer for. I suspect that it had something to do with their farm system not producing the stud horses like they had previously, particularly pitchers.

narciso

Come one,now a pic with Minka Kelly, which I think is sfw, and you cut her out, for shame, for shame.

NKonIPad

Another question for yankee fans, in any playoff year since '95, was jeter the best/most important player on the team in any one such season? (think before answering)

narciso

that's just a day ending in y, but they are aiming cruise missiles, while we fire peashooters,

matt

Yogi had far more impact than Bench, Munson, or Piazza. He got them to those championships and performed in an outstanding manner in the most challenging position in the game. He was a clubhouse leader par excellence and is beloved by his teammates.

He caught Ford, Allie Reynolds (100mph), Vic Raschi, Ralph Terry, and a lot of other guys who were overshadowed by the hitters. His record speaks for itself. Greatest Evah!

Old Lurker

About a foot in DC.

narciso

Milbank's brain is frozen solid, but that's also just any randon day of the week, oh and KSM will testify as a defense witness for UBL's nephew what could go wrong?

Captain Hate

The funny thing about having the writers vote for the HOF is that it started back when the teams traveled by train on road trips and the writers went with them. They got to know the players in a much different manner than the locker room interviews, which I've always regarded as a stupid thing particularly involving women reporters (contrasted to the way women's tennis does things; oh the humanity). Yes it breeds an often subjective and petty grudge making but the baseball HOF has behaved with much greater integrity than the Pro Football Hall of Very Good imo.

Stephanie VIP shhhhh its fight club

USA 7 Slovakia 1 after two periods

Slattering!

narciso

I guess it needed the right serving of Dalmatian;


http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2014/02/13/revealed-sebelius-met-with-obama-at-least-18-times-before-disastrous-obamacare-launch/

true, although didn't the press work just like the East German review committee.

narciso

I think the fustercluck is evolving geometrically and will become selfaware, much like Skynet, on two occasions, the insurance co that enrolled bypassing the website of death, has screwed up the dob, in their systems,

jimmyk on iPhone

the baseball HOF has behaved with much greater integrity than the Pro Football Hall of Very Good imo."

There's also the Vets Committee that sometimes does a better job than reporters, sometimes not. The big thing is the high threshold for getting in that keeps the quality high, kind of like with Constitutional amendments.

NK(withnewsoftware)

USA USA USA-- Canada and the Putins have the best teams, but it's a short tourney, and USA has the 2 most solid goalies, anything can happen.

Trivia-- 34 years ago, what time of day did US-USSR take place?, and what did the winner of that game earn? and when ws the game shown on USA TV?

MarkO

I see Steyn soliciting money. Did he hire a lawyer? Who. If not, why?

peter

narciso 8:49, hear hear.

Totally off topic, but I only recently learned, from looking at the guest list to the recent White House state dinner, that Seinfeld actress Julia Louise Dreyfus is the daughter of a billionaire, Gerard Louis-Dreyfus, e.n.w. $3.4b. Wonder how much income inequality was discussed at that dinner?

henry

Here's a link on the "living wage" laws. Note the local paper does not mention the SEIU.

narciso

Yes, she's just folk,

Marlene

OL @8:58...the daughter sent me a picture of her dog playing in the snow,wow. Very impressive.

jimmyk on iPhone

NK, I'm going to guess afternoon; the right to go on to play some Scandinavian team (Sweden?) for the gold; that evening.

jimmyk on iPhone

Steyn did hire a lawyer. I believe he had one quit on him, perhaps because Steyn kept making public comments about the case, a bit of irony there.

narciso

I think they were NR's house counsel, but it's Chinatown, I mean DC, they go by different rules,

Threadkiller

Maybe he hired Leo Donofrio?

narciso

There is approved speech, and then there is libel tourism, Steyn seems to have run afowl o that,

NK(withnewsoftware)

Correct: It was an afternoon game ET;

Correct: It was a SEMIfinal;

When was the USSR game aired on USA TV?

Who against/when was the final played?

hit and run

Which JOMer has a relative who played in that game?

Miss Marple

I believe that game against the Russians was played late on Sunday morning.

I seem to remember racing home from church in Evansville in order to watch it.

But it was 34 years ago and I didn't Google, so my memory could be faulty. It might have been the Sweden gold medal game I am remembering.

That match against the Russians was one of my all-time favorite sports events; another was Franz Klammer's epic downhill run in 1976.

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