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hit and run

Roll the dice.

maryrose

TM:
I hwholeheartedly concur with your summation of the end result for the unions. Yes 4th of July is a Friday this year, a perfect day to honor the unions with this undeserved perk.

Beasts of England

Gosh, I'd hate for the unions to see an increase to their insurance costs. Just doesn't seem fair...

MarkO on vacation

As Obama fatuously said, "How does this help my children?"

maryrose

I just hope the lawsuits currently ongoing will hit maximum speed about the beginning of October.
I also hope the investigations on the IRS and Benghazi erupt about 3 days prior to election day. I know they must be holding back really bad news for the dems until the last minute.

polly

maryrose, I love you for being such an optimist. That is simply NOT going to happen. The investigations will fade away. Pitiful.

Jane

Jolly lost the absentee and early voting. I wonder if that was fixed. It looks like Jolly will pull it out.

GMax

Alex Sink is sinking and underwater in the Florida special election. I love it. Charlie Cheeto next up for another Florida @ss paddling X 2. Love it.

hit and run

“You know, this conversation doesn’t help my kids.”
--stuff Michelle Obama said (about Reverend Wright in the 2008 campaign)

Account Deleted

Looks like the Progressive Fascists took another flesh wound in the FL-13 special election.

Congratulations to Jolly.

Beasts of England

I guess the MSM will immediately assign the FL-13 race to the rabbit hole. They were priming it to be a harbinger for the November races. Maybe they'll blame it on the Kochs...

Jane

Jolly wins!

Jane

Hit I wonder if Wright threatened Obama with some revelation and his daughter was prosecuted (perhaps with a promise of a pardon) to warn Wright.

Jack is Back

Not only did Jolly win but he won against the best candidate the Dems in Florida could throw at him and he has never held public office. Sure it was Don Young's seat for 42 years but the demographics in Florida are always changing - thank you New York, New Jersey and Mass.

This is a very good win for the GOP and the Dems like DWS will discount it because of Bill Young and 42 years and blah, blah, blah but it is harbinger of what is to come.

Skoot

The Jolly win is welcome news. Hopefully the Mr. Hillary will robocall into all the vulnerable Dem Senate races as well.

narciso

I'm sure they will go voom any day now;


http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/03/obamacare-sign-ups-fail/

Jack is Back

BTW, Jolly won with 5% of the vote going to the LIbertarian candidate. IOW, without him in the race, it would have been a 5%+ win. Ominous.

Porchlight

Very good news. I think the Dems really thought they had this one.

GMax

Jolly good show.

GMax

BTW Zero carried the district with 51%. That Sinking feeling is the Democrats recognizing that Sink got but 46%. OOPS.

Jane on Ipad

I just want it to keep creeping up on the dems. Every scandal on the planet has no impact on DC or the liberal press, but maybe the people are waking up. I actually think Ed Snowden should be credited with a lot of it.

Porchlight

You gotta wonder how much money/time it will take for the Dems to recruit enough fake Libertarians to make a difference on November ballots.

Account Deleted

Porchlight,

They wanted for fund raising purposes. A Sink win would have become a sales tool for the Dems. Jolly is not a top shelf candidate and Sink had a very clear money advantage to go with her name recognition. The race might be a harbinger wrt November but it's absolutely a harbinger of diminished financial support for the Dems.

Porchlight

My hopes exactly, Rick. You can hear the wallets snapping shut all over the country. I do think they will go all in on the war on women now, though - with PP funds as seed money. What else do they have?

GMax

How big a deal is Sink sinking? Pretty damn big. Look what big fat Democrat Stu Rothenberg wrote about it in January of this year:

It’s rare in politics that anything other than a presidential contest is viewed as a “must win” — but the special election in Florida’s 13th District falls into that category for Democrats.

A loss in the competitive March 11 contest would almost certainly be regarded by dispassionate observers as a sign that President Barack Obama could constitute an albatross around the neck of his party’s nominees in November. And that could make it more difficult for Democratic candidates, campaign committees and interest groups to raise money and energize the grass roots.

Fundamentally, the district, left vacant by the death of longtime Republican Rep. C.W. Bill Young, looks competitive but has a slight Democratic tinge. Barack Obama carried it 52 percent to 48 percent in 2008

Where is Double Douche? Cant find the loser with a Geiger counter.

Jack is Back

GMax,

Not only that but Sink won by 4% over Scott in 2010 in the same district then loses by 2% in 2014. So, what does that tell you:)?

Porchlight

Ah, that's a sweet read, GMax. Thanks.

GMax

It tells me Charlie Cheeto is going to have plenty of time for the tanning salon...

Jack is Back

The cherry on top is that Champ won the district both times.

Do you sense a trend in one win?

Problem for Jolly is that he has to keep campaigning since he has to run again in November.

Jane on Ipad

Against who Jib?

Jack is Back

Someone that the Dems will find to try to gain the demographic. It is a solid GOP district over the years that has slowly but surely creeped Dem because of the Northeastern retirees. They can't help themselves. They have been Dems all their life. That is how they vote. Party line.

Not easy in Florida anymore. Remember the panhandle and Jacksonville use to be the capitol of the "blue dog" Dems. Not anymore but the west coast is becoming more and more Democratic.

narciso

OT, even Ponzi gets worn out over time;

https://twitter.com/deeCNBC/status/443486547241738240/photo/1

Bori

JIB, it is worst than that the Democrats have carried the district in Presidential Elections since 1992 with the exception of 2004. Bush won with a margin of less than 400 votes.

GMax

Too funny! Don Surber gets big fat Democrat Larry Sabato to grudgingly admit he had the district "Leans Democrat." The spin aint gonna work on this one.

Beasts of England

There appears to be no angle for the dems in this one. They had better name recognition, more money, a district that JEF won both times... Kos Kids are in a tizzy. It's a two-fer!

Beasts of England

Of course, that doesn't stop brain-dead DWS from posting this to the LIVs:

http://demrapidresponse.com/post/79311928359/dnc-chair-debbie-wasserman-schultzs-statement-on

GMax

Never underestimate Debbie Does America and her ability to not know basic facts or assume her idiotic followers don't know them. Go ahead and mock her, she earned it:

D Wasserman Schultz ‏@DWStweets · 59m
The GOP underperformed tonight in the #FL13 - a district they've held for decades. Here's why: http://demrapidresponse.com/post/79311928359/dnc-chair-debbie-wasserman-schultzs-statement-on

GMax

That nasty smell, its fear on Democrats.

Beasts of England

And the repulsive Matt Yglesias says:

'The big political news of the day is that GOP won a House race in a GOP-held district?'

What an effin punk.

Jack is Back

DWS is so predictable. We have seen this before and in November I hope to see it ad naseum.

GMax

cmon Debbie tells us a story, you know the one where the Democrats are going to take back the House. Its a hoot!

narciso

Well it's a fairy tale, like the Three Little Pigs.

Threadkiller

This is about as on topic as I can get:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFeUvM0M7cA

Jack is Back

The most despicable man in America is Zeke Emanuel. He is the archtect of killing everyone before their time. What a complete blowhard and jackass. Meghan proved it tonight.

Slaap lekker, tots morgen.

Congrats Dave Jolly.

hit and run

narciso:
it's a fairy tale

"Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairytale I’ve ever seen."
--stuff Bill Clinton said (about Obama's campaign in 2008)

clarice

I'm very happy Jolly won.

Threadkiller

I can't wait to see the exit polls to fully understand how Jolly wooed the LIVs.

Was it "Jolly, Jolly, Jolly, get your free shit here" from Schooled House rock?

Or did he go all one-issue on his peeps?

narciso

Well that was the main issue on the board, I imagine they will go more 'squirrel' till november,

GMax

John at Powerline with the analysis that Yglesias is not capable of doing:

The Democrats, thinking they had the stronger candidate, were primed to use a victory by Sink to promote the idea that Obamacare is popular after all–or at least, not fatal to Democratic candidates in close races. The Democrats bombarded their faithful with pleas for contributions to the Sink campaign; I don’t think I have ever gotten so many emails on any Congressional race. So this is a big win for the GOP.

Whoops.

daddy

Good Morning! 10 AM in Seoul Korea.

Just starting catch-up and see some questions from the last thread on the missing Airliner. I don't have any answers and am way behind, but
simply for interest, here is a link to the ATC page listing the capabilities and specifics of the Malaysian ATC's Radar Capabilities:

RADAR SERVICES AND PROCEDURES (Taken from a Google search)

Lets assume for argument that the aircraft had turned back across the Malay peninsula just south of the Thai/Malay border, (as the latest TV rumor is reporting as what was observed via some Malaysian Military Radar). I wanted to know what radars would be looking at the plane on such a track. I think the ones that would apply would be these:

g) A 60 NM Terminal Primary Approach Radar co-mounted with a 200 NM monopulse SSR located to the south of Kota Bharu-Sultan Ismail Petra Airport runway.

k) A 50 NM Terminal Approach Radar with co-mounted 250 NM conventional SSR located one each at Butterworth, Labuan and Kuantan Air Forces Bases;

f) A60NMPrimarySurveillanceRadar(PSR)co-mountedwith200NMmonopulseSSRlocatedonHill Chengkuang 1.5 NM NE of Langkawi International Airport,

I think that's about it, at least as I read it from the list on the link. I don't know all the locations of those radars but the first 5 (a thru e) are all located way down south near the big city of Kuala Lumpur so I believe they would not apply or just barely be in range. However, since those 5 are the facilities with Joint Military Radars ,as I understand it because of this sentence from my link:

In the Kuala Lumpur and Kota Kinabalu FIRs, radar services are provided using the following civil/military ATC Radars

perhaps that is the source of the report that a Malay Military Radar observed them turning back toward the Malaysian border. (JiB, please read the list and see if you know where Kuching (i) is, and if it would be up north--I can't find it)

The first radar facility I pasted above (g), is on the east coast near VKB (Khota Baru) which the plane crossed over on it's outbound leg which I believe was on airway M765. From my limited understanding, I believe that it was the last Malay Radar facility observing the plane before it entered Vietnamese Airspace and Vietnamese Radar coverage on its route heading north, and it would have been the first Malay facility to get a radar reading if the plane turned back in that direction. It's radar records (if there are any) are what needs to be looked at.

The next 2 I pasted, (k) and (f), are both located on the islands just off the coast on the western side of Malaysia. When we come down from Bangkok towards Penang (k), we are passed to Butterworth (k), and I have always been under the impression from experience that they do not have the ability to read us on transponder, and don't pick us up until quite close. (The paste sez 50 miles) That makes sense to me, so we constantly have to tell them where we are and our speed/altitude etc, and then they generally clear us to a point to start an approach and ask us to tell them when we are established on the approach so they can route other guys behind us in a workable sequence.


As for airports up in that norther Malay area, assuming the plane did what the latest TV report says it might have done, I see 6 decent usable ones for a plane that size within about a radius of 100 miles.

It would also be worth while to know what Thailand's southern border Radar coverage of the area looks like as well. Since the plane, as I understand it, was not filed via Thai Airspace, I doubt they would have been getting transponder data from flight M370, or paying attention to the general paint of the plane if it was coming across the bottoms of the scopes, but if there is a way to recover their radar sweeps at the time of the plane going missing, that'd be worth a look, and probably more so than the Vietnamese tapes, since if the plane turned as reported it would be going away from Vietnam coverage and toward Malay/southern Thai coverage. Thailand does have a decent size airport on their south east coast, only 30 or so miles north of VKB (Khota Baru) the Malaysian Radar site that flight M370 initially overflew on it's way outbound.

So just some general info.

henry

Jolly wins! Snow here downgraded to 0".

daddy

Question: Why is Diana Feinstein so upset about the NSA spying on Congress and thus upset that it may be Unconstitutional by breaking down the Constitutional system of checks and balances between equal branches of Govt, when just a month ago during the State of The Union she was cheering the President on for saying he was going to act unilaterally over Congress's opposition?

narciso

It's not about that, it's about attacking the CTC's m.o, personnel and policies,

GMax

Dave Wasserman, the editor of the non-partisan Cook Political Report and certainly not a Republican operative, says :

“If Dems couldn’t win an Obama congressional district with a solid candidate against a flawed R, expect a rough November.”

What do you say Double Douchebag?

miss Marple

daddy,

The answer is that she never thought his snooping would be used against her.

This is what the dems never see. They have failed to stop Obama on anything until that nominee who flopped the other day. Obama thinks he can do anything he wants.

I hope the dems are taught a painful lesson. The Constitution is to protect us all, even Feinstein.

Bori

Daddy,

Thanks for the info. I have a question can the transponders be turned off by a electronic failure? Would that also affect the communications suite?

I think you mentioned this earlier but if the civilian radar are only tuned to the transponder signals could a plane slip by undetected if it changed its heading and dropped into another path?

Jane on Ipad

From the stuff I'm hearing lately it sounds to me like 1 pilot may have been involved in whatever happened.

However, I have no clue.

Cecil Turner

A complete electrical failure (extremely rare) would turn off everything.

The ATC radars have a "skin paint" capability (i.e., the ability to see aircraft without transponders), but it's much shorter range and less sensitive and precise. (And I very much doubt it would cover the area in question.) Military radars are better at that sort of thing, and typically keep a watch along borders.

As to "slipping by," that depends on where it's going and who's doing the looking. (It's very dependent on quality of training and equipment.) I'd guess there's little chance of slipping into China's airspace undetected, and probably not Vietnam's either. The other countries in the area . . . more of a crap shoot.

clarice

Daily Caller says Udall(per Rasmussen) no longer has any lead over the challenger Republican in the Col Senate race.

daddy

Probably correct Miss Marple.

Over here every 15 minutes or so on BBC they show DiFi standing up and making an angry speech about her Constitutional rights being violated by the Feds.

Welcome to the club Diane.

As for Jolly beating Alex Sink---I only found out via my book last week that Alex Sink is the great granddaughter of one of the famous Chinese Siamese twins (Eng and Cheng) brought over from China as novelties in 1829 as touring freak shows.

I think they were called "Siamese Twins" since they were raised in Thailand (Siam) even tho' they were ethnic Chinese. They became Slave Owners in Tarheel country by the late 1830's, and sent a couple sons to fight for the proper side in The war of Northern Aggression:)

'Siamese Twins' Still Fascinate, Two Centuries Later

If you listen to the interview I don't think I've heard the topic of owning slaves buried any quicker.

NKonIPad

Congrats Jolly. The Dems are going to have their asses kicked all over the country in November. It is good to drive your enemies before you and hear the lamentation of their women.

21_cathy_f_in_tripep@d_prison_98

Great-granddaughter? 1800 or so should be ~8 generations back...

(My grandmother's great-grandmother was born in 1832. Grandmother was born in 1915.)

Bori

Thanks CT,

Then the question can the plane be flown without the electronics? Can a triple 7 glide?

clarice

OT;If you haven't seen the film "Nebraska" you're missing one swell movie.

NKonIPad

Glide?... Like a rock.

Jane on Ipad

Bori,

From what I heard today it can go until it runs out of gas. It just has no instruments. A compass would be a godsend.

daddy

(My grandmother's great-grandmother was born in 1832. Grandmother was born in 1915.)

Cathyf,

My Grandmom, (Lottie Moon) who died at 102, was born in 1893.

Her father we are told was 72 when he had her. That means my great Granddad was born in 1821. Apparently Lottie's father was too old at the time of the Civil War to join up, but a number of his sons, her step brothers, did. As I understand it, there was so much loss of manpower to the conflict in the general area that Lottie's mother, a young lady in Civil War days, became the something like Postmaster of Goochland County during those days, and she used to ride sidesaddle delivering the mail. Long after the war she married her elder widowed cousin, thus pickling Lottie in 1893, who had tons of step kin who were all one or 2 generations older than her. She was an only child and yes they were slaveholders in the old days.

At least that's what I'm told, so she used to regale us with stories of what her Half brother John did in the War etc, and we have a letter written in about 1864-65 from a very grateful recovering wounded Confederate that they supposedly hid from the Yankee's under some potatoes in the cellar. The handwriting is amazingly beautiful.

Eric in Boise

Evening all.

Hey, Maybe DD was on M370. Stranger things have happened.

We can dream, I guess.

Jim Miller

daddy - Much thanks for the info.


In 2004, Bush won Bill Young's district -- which was then the 10th -- 158,082-150,761.

The 2014 Almanac doesn't mention any extensive re-districting, but does say, vaguely, that Clearwater is "newly added to the district". (I have no idea how that would affect he district, since I know nothing about politics in Clearwater.)

Charles Cook rates it as R+1, which is about as close to a perfect swing district as you will find.

(Two fun facts: When a Republican won this district in 1954, it was their first win in Florida since Horace Bisbee's victory in 1882.

The very first Hooter's restaurant was opened in this district,)

Captain Hate

“If Dems couldn’t win an Obama congressional district with a solid candidate against a flawed R, expect a rough November.”

I hope a few Repukes get primaried out of their safe seats as well. Anything less than maximum turnover will be a defeat.

Eric in Boise

I just noticed that Drudge's link to the Jolly results story is labeled "It Begins…"

From your keyboard to G-d's ear, Matt.

MoodyBlu

My theory on the missing aircraft is that one of the crew took out the other (crew of two upfront) and intentionally ditched the aircraft.

I am a retired FAA air traffic controller (28 years) and worked only in a terminal environment. Our radar basically covered a 55-60 mile radius from the antenna. There are two parts to the radar, primary and secondary. The primary radar works by sending a pulse of energy out which is then reflected by the skin of the aircraft back to and received by the antenna. The reflected energy is processed and displayed on the controller's scope as a "blip".

The secondary radar is where the transponder on board the aircraft comes into play. Each flight is assigned a 4 digit code that the pilots set into the aircraft's transponder. Through the secondary radar and the transponder, altitude and other information such as flight number and aircraft type is displayed on the controller's screen. The secondary radar "enhances" the primary radar display on the screens.

If the transponder is turned off or for some reason malfunctions, you still have the primary radar target to track an aircraft. What you lose is the altitude information and the data I spoke of above. Transponders rarely fail.

The long range radars, 200-250 miles, that daddy spoke of work in a very similar fashion as the terminal radar except they rotate at a slower rate. If I recall correctly our terminal radar rotated every 4 seconds and the center log range radars rotate about every 10 seconds per revolution. Not sure what type and operating characteristics of the stuff outside of the US do.

Any theories of what might of happened from our pilots here?

daddy

Glide?

Yes. Just like the Space Shuttle used to do. As long as you still have some control ability over the control surfaces, (ailerons, elevators, rudder) you can fly an airplane, even with all the engines shut off, on down to the deck. Obviously much tougher in nightime, if you've lost your instruments and don't have any visible horizon to help you be oriented, but it's doable.

For interest, here's a Wiki Link to a Boeing 767 that was hijacked on Coastal Africa some 20 years ago in daylight, and when it ran out of gas they were able to glide it down and ditch in the ocean.

Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961

The plane was nearly out of fuel as it approached the island group, but the hijackers continued to ignore the captain's warnings. Out of options, Leul began to circle the area, hoping to land the plane at the Comoros' main airport. When the plane ran out of fuel, both engines failed. The crew used a ram air turbine to preserve the aircraft's most essential functions, but in this mode some hydraulic systems –such as the flaps– were inoperative. This forced Leul to land at more than 175 knots (324 km/h; 201 mph).[10]
Leul tried to make an emergency landing at Prince Said Ibrahim International Airport on Grande Comore, but a fight with the hijackers at the last minute caused him to lose his visual point of reference, leaving him unable to locate the airport. While still fighting with the hijackers, he tried to ditch the aircraft in shallow waters 500 yards (457 m) off Le Galawa Beach Hotel, near Mitsamiouli at the northern end of Grande Comore island. Leul attempted to land parallel with the waves instead of against the waves in an effort to smooth the landing. Seconds prior to contacting the water the aircraft was banked left some ten degrees;[5] the left engine and wingtip struck the water first. The engine acted as a scoop and struck a coral reef, slowing that side of the aircraft quickly, causing the Boeing 767 to violently spin left and break apart. Except for the rear part of the airframe, the broken portions of the fuselage sank rapidly.[5] Island residents and tourists, including a group of scuba divers and some French doctors on vacation, came to the aid of crash survivors

Rex

Rain tonight, then a foot of snow tomorrow. Good skiing day on Thursday.

miss Marple

Night all.

Eric in Boise

From the Irish Independent, some evidence as to where the term cockpit originated.

Any comments, Daddy? You sly dog.

Beasts of England

Not a pilot, MoodyBlu, but yours is the second comment I've seen today suggesting that one of the pilots took out the flight. That could explain the transponder(s) being turned off and perhaps the alleged course change near the end.

daddy

Thank you for that great info MoodyBlu. Thank you so much.

I love the knowledge of this place!

jimmyk

This story casts a bit of doubt as to whether the plane actually crossed back over Malaysia in to the Malacca Strait. It also mentions some unusual behavior by the copilot a couple of years ago.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/11/report-missing-planes-co-pilot-invited-women-into-cockpit-during-flight-2-years-ago/

More details about the young ladies in question here, complete with pictures.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2578146/Young-blonde-says-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-pilot-invited-friend-ride-cockpit-entire-flight-2011.html

Ignatz

You think Jolly had a good night?
He's not as jolly as a certain Nork H-un-K who pulled an amazing 100% of the vote.
Now that is popularity. Guess he won't have to worry about any of those pesky veto over rides with that kind of margin.

jimmyk

daddy, do pilots often invite cute blonds into the cockpit?

The one on the right was the MH370 copilot.

I guess as a cargo guy you wouldn't have that opportunity.

Danube on iPad

100% of the vote? Hell, that's nothin'. His father shot a 39 on his first-ever round of golf, including eight holes-in-one.

Nytol from Los Barriles.

Beasts of England

I missed my true calling, jimmyk...

daddy

the second comment I've seen today suggesting that one of the pilots took out the flight. That could explain the transponder(s) being turned off

Very logical Beasts. Ockham's razor I suppose would say who better would know what a Transponder is and how to turn it off than an operator of the unit, and also who better would know a bit about the limited Radar capabilities of Malaysia up along that border region than a guy who flew their regularly.

However, if this is the guy per JimmyK's link, I don't want to be too hasty in damning him, as he's obviously got great taste:)


daddy

At top of the hour news I click on BBC and it says that reports that the last radar position showed them over the straits of Malacca (far to the west) have been discounted.

5 minutes ago CNN was telling us that they had received confirmation that reports of the radar showing the plane over the straits of Malacca were confirmed.

Beats the heck out of me.

Beasts of England

His father shot a 39 on his first-ever round of golf, including eight holes-in-one.

And probably had his girlfriend Morgan Fairchild carrying his bag! ;)

Beasts of England

@daddy: I know it's not the same set of technologies, but a commenter somewhere on the webs today noted: How can the enessay track us everywhere we go, but lose a jumbo jet without a trace? Hmm.

daddy

Eric,

She's gorgeous!

But I'm, shocked, shocked, that gambling is going on at Rick's cafe' cockpit'.

daddy

daddy, do pilots often invite cute blonds into the cockpit?

JimmyK,

Only in Europe, America, and Australia.

In most of the rest of the world it's usually brunettes.

Eric in Boise

Not to diminish what the families are going through; as I mentioned the other night, it must be unimaginable. But can you imagine the folklore if this S.O.B. isn't found?

Stephanie VIP shhhhh its fight club

If, as some reports say, the cellphones of some of those aboard the plane are still "active" why can't they triangulate on those?

You know what all this reminds me of? Flight 19 - the military one that got lost flying in the Bermuda Triangle. Those pilots got confused and went wonky trying to get back to Florida from off the east coast of Florida when all they had to do was fly west back to the Florida coast - it's not like you can miss it going west. The last history channel show I saw speculated that they ended up flying south til they ran out of gas.

The where did they go aspect of this reminds of that incident as no one has been able to figure out how the pilot got so confused (as did the radar guys on the ground) and no wreckage was ever found.

Beasts of England

Good point, Eric - D. B. Cooper won't have crap on this guy.

daddy

100% of the vote? Hell, that's nothin'. His father shot a 39 on his first-ever round of golf, including eight holes-in-one.

I won't be impressed DoT until he wins all the events in the Olympics like my man Nero did.

Emperor Nero - Olympic Champion

... so Nero decided to go on a tour of Greece where the finer things were appreciated.

Delaying only long enough to take care of a few loose ends such as murdering his mother, castrating his former favourite slave boy and crucifying a few fans who didn't applaud loudly enough at his last poetry recital, he packed his lyre and all his cosmetics and set out for Greece to attend and compete in the 67 AD Olympic Games. Here he not only won the chariot race despite falling out of his chariot, but he introduced several new events of a musical nature. The judges prudently declared him the winner of them all.

Flushed with success, he made the rounds of the Isthmian, Nemean, Pythian and Panathean Games and handsomely won numerous events at every one. During his performances nobody was allowed to leave, although a few people got round that by feigning death and being carried out. These games were not usually all held in the same year, but in 67 AD they made an exception for Nero because his offer was just too good to refuse.

Stephanie VIP shhhhh its fight club

Wow I wrote that just as Eric was posting about folklore. The inclusion of flight 19 in Close Encounters of the Third Kind and all the Bermuda Triangle shows and aliens did it shows certainly put it in the folklore category.

Eric in Boise

In most of the rest of the world it's usually brunettes.

LoL, Daddy:)

Nytol. More prayers for the families. Stay warm and safe, everyone.

Ignatz

--You know what all this reminds me of? Flight 19 - the military one that got lost flying in the Bermuda Triangle.--

Was afraid somebody was going to say that.
Fire can't make planes fall out of the sky.
Does clarice know the pilot?

Danube on iPad

Just discovered that the guy who got the other 5% in FL 13 was the Libertarian. So the real news is the Dem got 46% in a district where Obama got 53% four months ago.

Spin that one, Debbie.

jimmyk

Incidentally, Eric, I didn't mean to step on your 11:39 with my 11:52 and 11:55, I just hadn't gotten around to clicking on your link, as I was busy scouring the net for info about those blonds.

And, yes, we shouldn't forget the anguish of the families.

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