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peter

First?

narciso

when the strongest tribe as Bing West put it, we sent the wrong signals to Maliki, the ISIS,
the members of the Anbar Awakening.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2014/06/11/terrorist-army-captures-new-iraqi-city.html


GMax

Forgot about foreign policy successes. Can anyone name a policy of Zero that has not been an unmitigated disaster of enormous proportions.

NK(withnewsoftware)

Funny how anything Obummer touches turns Islamist Jihadi. Anybody notice that?

Exasperated

Yeah, but it is so cool to have our first black president.

Threadkiller

Anybody notice that?

Hanlon did.

NK(withnewsoftware)

In fairness, Obummer Hellfired hundreds of Jihadis 2009-2012 in order to get himself re-elected. That was good stuff.

MarkO

"Obummer Hellfired hundreds of Jihadis"

Those numbers are as reliable as ObamaCare signups.

Happy, happy, joy, joy Ignatz

The fatal "More Mush From the Wimp" headline cannot be far away.

Another FP accomplishment for our illustrious former Sec of State to run on for 2016 too.

narciso

No, TM, Mosul is formerly Kurdish territory,
Tikrit is a Sunni redoubt, the former might get aid from the Syrian corner of that zone,
they've shown the ability to fight ISIS and Nusra Front,

Cecil Turner

That was good stuff.

No, it wasn't. It's not as if the Hellfire policy complemented a robust war on terror--it replaced it--with a strategy that is inherently unserious. Not being willing to risk a manned aircraft, we'll send in drones.

The same goes for diddling the SOFA in Iraq, and nerf ROE in Afghanistan pursuing a pullout at any cost policy with an announced end-by date . . . the message that sends to our enemies is clear: we're not willing to fight. So they win. Simple as that.

Captain Hate

Anybody notice that?

Every non troll here.

NK(withnewsoftware)

CecilT-- IMO killing a bushell full of violent Jihadis has intrinsic value, so I stand by 'that was good stuff'. But of course you are right about the big picture, Obummer's overall anti-terrorism record is abysmal, in fact it's arguably anti-american.

hit and run

Cecil:
It's not as if the Hellfire policy complemented a robust war on terror--it replaced it--with a strategy that is inherently unserious. Not being willing to risk a manned aircraft, we'll send in drones.

Obama of 2008 called it "just air-raiding villages"

Obama of 2009 on called it "Centerpiece of My Overseas Contingency Operation"

hit and run

(to be fair, "just air raiding villages" was technically Obama of 2007)

Bori

" Iraqi President Nuri al Maliki's government needs to challenge the jihadists ideologically."

I suggest a hashtag on twitter.

"He needs to reach out to the disenfranchised Sunni population, a group that has become marginalised economically and socially during his time in power, for this is the well from which most ISIS fighters are drawn."

Sunni and Shi'a fighting each other is a new occurrence, who knew. Apparently, history books are all wrong.

"One thing is for sure, though, and that is that this is Iraq's war now, and no one else's."

So, why are we involved in Syria? What is the difference between the two? Especially considering that if we aid the Syrian rebels, we are also aiding the forces in Iraq. Puzzling.

Thomas Collins

Brilliant strategy by 404. Have the whole world at war with each other. Have Red China facing off with Vietnam and Japan, Russia squeezing Ukraine and eventually the Baltic States, Iran using its proxies at various places in the Middle East (with Russia trying to profit from the chaos), jihadists going up against new governments (such as in Libya), Iraq in various states of disarray, Hamas increasing its influence, and so on. Meanwhile, let our nuke forces continue to degrade and oversee the weakening of out land and sea forces. Make more windmills and solar panels our national security goal. This is all working out well.

NK(withnewsoftware)

ThomasC-- Uh... that's the problem, Obummer thinks it's all working out great.

Cecil Turner

Slightly OT, I'll be interested in hearing the details of the friendly fire tragedy yesterday. Early reports are that they called in an airstrike from a B-1 bomber after a Taliban ambush.

The two most common errors leading to a strike on one's own position IME is lazing the ground in front of you or mistakenly giving your own GPS position in place of the enemy's. With a B-1 doing the bombing, I'd expect the latter to be a bit more likely.

Using bombers for close air support requires somewhat more in the way of procedural safeguards (since the pilot is unlikely to be able to visually acquire the target as well as if he were in an attack plane). If we're going to trend toward this, and I think we are, then we probably ought to be spending some extra time and effort on it.

srp

The unseemly desire to disengage the U.S. from Iraq as a matter of anti-Bush branding rather than sensible policy, as seen in the SOFA fiasco, is the direct source of today's disaster. In hearts terms, we now have to "shoot the moon" and hope that a massive Sunni-Shia conflict distracts and burns out the anti-Western threat from the various flavors of violent Islamic supremacists. A concomitant is massive humanitarian crises on the horizon and a decades-long setback for orderly liberalization.

I just hope the Iraqi Kurds can hold the line. It's too much to hope that the Obama administration will give them much support, especially overtly, because they were on the "wrong" side of aligning with the Bush policy and the pettiness factor is so great.

srp

Cecil: Any chance that the AF would countenance an unmanned attack plane, since they are clearly determined to get rid of the very-useful A-10?

NK(withnewsoftware)

Speaking of the Taliban... Obummer is going to have to shovel a lot of Shite to explain why BoweB won't be charged-- 73% support charges if he deserted: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/06/most-favor-charges-if-bergdahl-deserted/

Cecil Turner

Dunno. And I don't know how much an UCAV would help in the realm of visual acquisition. Might be a good last-ditch target ID opportunity . . . but most guys on the ground look a lot alike.

In any event, we use bombers because we have them available and they can carry lots of bombs and loiter for a very long time. Doubt we'll be in a big hurry to replace them, and it'd seem to me to swap one set of challenges for another. But that's all conjecture.

And on that note, I've got a plane to catch, so cheers.

jimmyk on iPad

I read that 40% of US deaths in Iraq were in securing Mosul. Wonder how the families and fellow soldiers feel about the JEF's abandonment of Iraq.

GMax

73 to 20%! Of course there is a 7% contingent who asked for the question to be repeated and if they had a lifeline to use...

narciso

Yes it's a stupid move on Zaphod's part, but hold on, didn't we see this movie nearly a decade, embracing the AQ python, for any reason, gets you crushed

OT, Eric Lustbader, who's taken up Robert Ludlum's Bourne series, latest offering, the Ascendancy is largedly set in Doha, and the duplicitousness of the people there, vis a vis,
a new terrorist mastermind El Ghadan of the Tomorrow Brigade is left without a doubt

Threadkiller

Al-Qaeda Jihadis Loot Over $400 Million From Mosul Central Bank ...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-11/al-qaeda-jihadis-loot-over-400-million-mosul-central-bank-seize-saddams-hometown

Talk about a stimulus package.

I'm sure the money will be used for peace.

Extraneus

Just terrible. We went into Iraq on a bipartisan basis, kicked ass, protected the people while they crafted a new constitution, and helped them hold multiple free elections. We sacrificed American lives for this worthy project, which was successful. Then Obama, after stamping his feet like a child for years over this, simply deserted the people of Iraq.

How many millions of innocent people have the craven American "liberals" dumped into a pit of fire so far?


daddy

Just want to say that I love having Cecil's Military expertise at JOM. Thanks CT.

pagar

O/T Just a short report on the funeral we had the VFW flag presentation ceremony at today.
Veteran of WWII, Korea, and Vietnam service.

We won't have too many more of those who have served in all three.

Carol Herman

Sunnis are the religious group from Saudi Arabia.

Our biggest mistake was in incorrectly identifying our biggest enemy on 9/11.

As to the shi'a and Iraq, Bush was stupid to go to war there.

There are only two groups. Shi'a are Iranians. And, Maliki went to them to defeat the USA.

Reaps. And, Sows. Etc.

Barbara

"Just want to say that I love having Cecil's Military expertise at JOM. Thanks CT."

Thanks to all of you who have posted here with information about this area of the ME and the escalating conflict in Iraq since we left.

The Obama administration can't decide on an action even with Maliki's request for air strikes.

One of the five killed by friendly fire in Afghanistan was from our area. I know that today's story is about Eric Cantor's loss, but I can't rejoice. This tears my heart out.

Gus

My brother was director of security for the embassy in Baghdad for one year. Mid 2011 to mid 2012. Everything that was earned by blood sweat, tears, dollars and more blood, is being completely lost, because Obama is a F@$# UP.

Gus

My Nephew USMC was wounded in Anbar in December 2004. For what?

Exasperated

Anbar, Iraq

Exasperated

Oops, sorry. Meant to Google it, but got distracted.

Sandy--Engorged Capital~Fallow Districts--Daze

I spent almost six years inside Iraq 2004-2011. We military retirees worked in the seam between the kinetic action of the active duty and the purely civilian efforts of the NGOs etc. Many of the gents I worked with were Vietnam-era, and were scarred by that result. They swore to me that they did not ever want to see a repeat of what had happened in Vietnam, that is why they had volunteered to come to Iraq.

Alas.

This did not have to happen, what is happening delegitimizes the sacrifice. For what, for what, for what.

Article 140 is now resolved, de facto. Kurdistan got a lot bigger yesterday.

The ISIS will continue to move south, gobbling primarily sun'ni territory, and will likely stop at Taji. The Iraqi armor units are all shia'a and should (!) should hold fast. No matter the prisoners released and the equipment gained, Mr M1A1/2 Abrams is a strong deterrent to the ISIS fighters.

So, Joey gets his wish.


Sandy--Engorged Capital~Fallow Districts--Daze

I spent almost six years inside Iraq 2004-2011. We military retirees worked in the seam between the kinetic action of the active duty and the purely civilian efforts of the NGOs etc. Many of the gents I worked with were Vietnam-era, and were scarred by that result. They swore to me that they did not ever want to see a repeat of what had happened in Vietnam, that is why they had volunteered to come to Iraq.

Alas.

This did not have to happen, what is happening delegitimizes the sacrifice. For what, for what, for what.

Article 140 is now resolved, de facto. Kurdistan got a lot bigger yesterday.

The ISIS will continue to move south, gobbling primarily sun'ni territory, and will likely stop at Taji. The Iraqi armor units are all shia'a and should (!) should hold fast. No matter the prisoners released and the equipment gained, Mr M1A1/2 Abrams is a strong deterrent to the ISIS fighters.

So, Joey gets his wish.


Sandy--Engorged Capital~Fallow Districts--Daze

I spent almost six years inside Iraq 2004-2011. We military retirees worked in the seam between the kinetic action of the active duty and the purely civilian efforts of the NGOs etc. Many of the gents I worked with were Vietnam-era, and were scarred by that result. They swore to me that they did not ever want to see a repeat of what had happened in Vietnam, that is why they had volunteered to come to Iraq.

Alas.

This did not have to happen, what is happening delegitimizes the sacrifice. For what, for what, for what.

Article 140 is now resolved, de facto. Kurdistan got a lot bigger yesterday.

The ISIS will continue to move south, gobbling primarily sun'ni territory, and will likely stop at Taji. The Iraqi armor units are all shia'a and should (!) should hold fast. No matter the prisoners released and the equipment gained, Mr M1A1/2 Abrams is a strong deterrent to the ISIS fighters.

So, Joey gets his wish.


Patriot4Freedom

The negligent loss of Iraq, and our blood and treasure he squandered, are the *real* foreign policy achievements of oBOzo's first term.

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