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NK(withnewsoftware)

Happy Birthday Mr. President.

hit and run

TM, I don't know where you get off wishing someone a happy birthday on JOM.

I'll let it slide this time but #thatsmygig

lyle

HB, GHWB. Message: lyle cares.

Eric in Boise

Happy 90th, 41, and best wishes.

#DamnRightWeMissYou

Both of you. A lot.

Threadkiller

I try not to be too controversial but why do the two Bushes not say a word about the Bozo in Chief?

They don't deserve the respect they keep getting until they do.

Captain Hate

TM stepping on hit's gig? Does he think he owns this place?

Some Guy

I try not to be too controversial but why do the two Bushes not say a word about the Bozo in Chief?

It's called class and dignity.

Something Mr. Peanut never exhibited toward them. Good for them.

Threadkiller

Since I believe your reply wasn't rooted in malice, I conclude option B.

Living Presidents watching the same mess as us but saying nothing because it is classy?

daddy

#TooManyThreads

daddy

And I hope against all hope that the guy we pick to deliver the response to the next State Of The Union speech is Dennis Miller.

GMax

How bad is it getting for Democrat officeholders? Well, this bad:

According to We Ask America, an independent polling firm, Rauner has a 47 percent to 37 percent lead over Quinn. Polls have consistently given Rauner the lead over the beleaguered Quinn in recent months.

In freaking Illinois! A republican up well beyond the margin of error.

I think the Democrats should know who to thank for that state of affairs...

daddy

"Frankie" just got on the line with Dennis Miller after having waited for a long long time, but when he finally got on he said he was "too fermented" now to say anything intelligence so he just said thanks for a great show and hung up.

Wonderful laughter from Dennis, who then gave a big shout out for Frankie:)

Jane

Did we know 41 has Parkinson's? His parachute partner just revealed that.

Frau Steingehirn

Some Guy, you forgot the dual/twofer Clinton presidents.

IMHO - Every time a former president has criticized a sitting president, it has not been helpful.

Threadkiller

I used to agree, Frau. I have never seen a sitting President do what this one is doing.

It is a defense of the Constitution AFAIC and if you carry the title of President after leaving office you should also maintain the oath you took to receive that title.

bunkerbuster

Pretty sure it's the Republicans and their ugly cousin The Tea Party that doesn't want the Bush's speaking up on the fate of the state.
Remember: 43 ran his presidency as a rebuke to 41 and The Tea Party was formed out of a desire to avoid having to defend the disastrous record of 43.
But hey, if you want to make 2014 all about reliving the Bush record, I welcome your hilarious hara kiri.

daddy

#Rusty

“I don’t think she’s handled things well at all this week,” Heilemann said. “She was very rusty.

Mara Eliason: "She's rusty."

Chris Stirewalt: "Hillary looks rusty"

Charles Rose: "Is she rusty as a Politician?"

Mark Halperine: "She was rusty."

lyle

Nice little fairy tale you've spun there, bubu. What, are all the crack whores spurning your charms these days so you resort to reveries?

lyle

Off?

Tom Maguire
TM stepping on hit's gig?

#SuitablyChastened

#TooManyThreads

#DontGetUsedToIt#

GMax

I would say Bush is looking better and better day by day as the Zero demolition derby continues to stumble, fumble, crash and of course lie through collision after collision.

daddy

Ha Ha!

Hit and I got acknowledgement of a sort from TM.

The rest of you JOMer's, #EatYourHeartsOut:)

Danube on iPad

"but why do the two Bushes not say a word about the Bozo in Chief?"

It is a tradition as old as the republic. I know of no one other than Carter who has violated it. It's not simply that it is classy and dignified, it is that violating it is unseemly to the point of being trashy.

Marlene

Jane,41 no longer has the use of his legs. Did you see W standing by his Mom when his Dad "landed". I think we all agree that the Bush family has love and devotion for each other. The Obamas are odd that way,they seem to have no devotion to family or friends.Sure,they love their girls,but...kind of sad,when you think about it.

Eric in Boise2

he said he was "too fermented" now to say anything

Anyone seen "Frankie" and DuDa together lately? :)

Danube of Thought
I don't know of any commenter here I would not consider an identity conservative. All the regulars I'm aware of make it abundantly clear that their politics makes them feel personally aggrieved and that the aggrievement is their key motivating force in politics.

Bubu
May 23, 2012

Threadkiller

It is trashy for an oath-keeper to keep his oath.

Danube of Thought

if you want to make 2014 all about reliving the Bush record

I think we'll make it all about Obama. And I really, really like our chances. How do you like yours, Identity Teenager?

Extraneus

I really don't mind if leftist douchebags post comments here. It's easy enough to read the name before deciding whether to read the comment, and I do it all the time. But when good posters respond to the lefty douchebags, it's too hard to figure out what to read or skip and easier just to move on.

Some Guy

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

What part don't you understand?

Rick B

What options might we suppose President Obama to be considering as he sits quietly rotating on his thumb in preparation to leading once more from his behind? I'm all for seppuku but I doubt he has the integrity to consider it.

If he uses kinetic humanitarian aid,he risks revealing the whereabouts of the Stingers furnished to AQ via the Benghazi arms dealership. What else is in the tool kit?

Threadkiller

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 8

"Before he enters the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:—"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.""
Threadkiller

What part don't you understand?

LOL

Here is your clue:

http://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/commas_before_conjunctions.htm

matt

I have been off line for a good part of the past two days. My step - son, Max, committed suicide on Tuesday afternoon.

He has been afflicted with mental illness since he was 10. The catch is that the handbook of the APA does not allow formal diagnosis of schizophrenia until the age of 17. He was dual diagnosis bipolar-schizophrenic and 25 years old.

There are no long term care facilities in California except private sanatoriums, which I must believe still exist. Otherwise the system is very, very broken.

I closed my business after 30 years in advanced manufacturing to devote the rest of my time to mental health, PTSD and addiction issues. Max was one of the reasons.

We were one of those families that have dreaded "that" call. It finally came on Tuesday.

He is with God now and finally at peace. Please keep our family in your prayers.

Danube on iPad

"It is trashy for an oath-keeper to keep his oath."

It is stupid to say that the oath requires a president to speak out on public affairs for the remainder of his life.

Ike didn't. Truman, and even LBJ and Clinton, didn't. But I guess those poor fellows just didn't understand the oath.

Jane

#DontGetUsedToIt#

You go TM!

Ya know something about democrats who like to tell people they don't know what they believe, what they think, and what they want. It truly is the oddest thing I've ever seen. I guess they are used to all the submissives in the democrat party and they think it works. What a joke.

Danube on iPad

I should make clear that the tradition is not to refrain from speaking out on public affairs (Nixon did in spades), but to refrain from criticizing your successors. Only Carter did that.

narciso

So sorry to hear that matt, prayers for him,

Threadkiller

Two questions, Danube:

Do you believe Obama has acted outside the Constitution in a way that has been detrimental to the republic?

If your answer is yes then do you believe the Presidents that followed Ike, Truman, LBJ, and Clinton acted equally egregiously?

Maybe our disagreement is based on my assumption that the country is in uncharted waters that negate grace and decorum.

Thomas Collins

TK, I appreciate the thought that goes into your question. My answer is that there is nothing the Bushes can say that would result in 404 acting as a POTUS acting in the best interests of the experiment in whether a self-evident truths body politic can sustain itself, as opposed to 404 continuing in a progism that ultimately is based on an attempted implementation of German idealism that doesn't work in a world in which all are subject to the original sin described in the Book of Genesis (my assertion being that even if one does not accept revelation, original sin is the best description of the state of humankind) . I respect the possibility that you may disagree with me, but I ask you to accept that I say it in good faith.

Some Guy

Sooo, the answer apparently is "I'll take 'all of it' for $1000 Alex."

Rick B

My condolences, Matt. I pray he has found peace.

Threadkiller

You are in my prayers Matt.

This is close to my heart, and I hate that it happens.

I am sorry.

Threadkiller

No, SG, the answer is you need to learn what an independent clause is before you italicize the wrong part.

Thomas Collins

Matt, my prayers are for your family, and for
Max's soul.

Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself

I am so sorry, Matt.
Love to you & your family.

daddy

Rugged Matt.

Thinking of you, but I don't know what to say. May he be at peace in a better place.

Some Guy

My condolences, Matt.

Threadkiller

As always, TC, I appreciate what you have to say.

I just wish two people that greatly benefited from what this country offered them would get in front of a camera and explain why I should believe this country will ever offer it again.

The strongest way they can do it is to contrast the Constitution against what has been going on.

pagar

Our condolences and prayers, Matt!

Some Guy

TK there is no such thing as an independent clause in that oath of office. The entire oath becomes null and void the moment the next office holder takes it.

GHWB and GWB do not occupy the Office of the President.

lyle

So very sorry to hear that, Matt. Pray you may find peace. Very sad.

narciso

the fried butter king, is back with one of those questions, as Taranto puts it, no one is asking, namely 'how do I get rid of those troublesome hobbits'

sbw

Condolences, Matt. You carried your load with grace. Rest, please, as time helps you cope.

Momto2

So sorry Matt. That has to be one of life's hardest blows...you will be in my prayers.

Threadkiller

Tell that to Sandy Daze re his enlistment oath, SG.

His oath to support and defend The Constitution became 'null and void'' when he retired?

What part of the Constitution to I find the 'take back' clause, SG?

Patriot4Freedom

Matt - Words aren't ever sufficient at a time like this. May your grief be easier to bear with the knowledge that your stepson's soul is finally at peace with our loving God.

Our condolences and prayers are with you and your family.

Threadkiller

to = do

Happy, happy, joy, joy Ignatz

So sorry, matt.
I hope your wife and you can find some peace in this. It isn't easy to.

Threadkiller

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States"

Plus:

"l do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Equals:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

They are independent.

centralcal

So very sorry to hear that news, Matt. My prayers for God's blessings added to the others here.

Happy, happy, joy, joy Ignatz

TK raises a couple of good points.
1. We all have a duty to defend the Constitution.
2. While it is trashy and, more importantly, dangerous for an ex pres to undermine a sitting pres, there comes a point where undermining a guy who is constantly violating his oath of office and dangerously endangering our country himself, not just permits but demands they speak up. If the catastrophe this extra-legal flim flam man is engineering doesn't demand it what would? When it's too late?

maryrose

matt:
I am so sorry for your family's loss of a son dearly loved. May he find peace now,free from all fears. I will keep you in my prayers.

MaryD

Matt, how terrible for you and your family. Please know that I will be praying for all of you. I hope your stepson has finally found the peace that eluded him in this life.

Some Guy

They are independent.

You are arguing the equivalent of 'I swear I will execute the President and best the United States' being valid.

The clause is NOT independent of the entire the oath -- the oath of office. Independent clause is merely a term of grammar.

maryrose

TK;
In theory your idea would work only if people were willing to accept the criticism and suggestions by the former presidents. the media would distort all remarks and provide sympathy for Obama. No one should feel sympathy or empathy for a person like Barack who is systematically destroying our country. I prefer to watch him and his democat party self-destruct.

Marlene

Peace be with you and your family,Matt.

Eric in Boise2

I'm sorry for your loss, Matt. Sending prayers your way.

Jane

Oh Matt, I'm so sorry. It's hard to think of anything harder.

Porchlight

Dear Matt, how sad. I am so sorry. Praying for you and your family. Bless you for trying to make things better for him and for others.

Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet

Dear Matt:

My heart aches for you and your family. One of my daughters is struggling with many of the issues you describe, and for me and my wife, it is Hell on earth. I pray each day that The Lord will give her the Peace that passes all understanding so she retains the will to get better, but we have come to understand that it is now out of our control.

We lost a dear friend of the family last week to a heroin overdose. He seemed to have been dealing with his demons constructively. He was a successful attorney in his mid 30s from a very loving and successful family. I had recommended him to TC last week to handle his daughter's case at Georgia Tech. When I recommended him, unbeknownst to me, he was already dead.

May God grant you and your wife peace and your son Eternal Rest.

Beasts of England

A guy at the bar just walked by wearing a shirt that said: Nothing's Unpossible!

#ClosetJOMer

Danube on iPad

Very sad, Matt. Best wishes to you and your family.

Beasts of England

Sorry I commented before seeing your post upthread, matt. Thoughts and prayers your way.

Danube on iPad

TK, I think LBJ and Nixon acted extra-constitutionally. I think Obama has done so as well. I don't know how to assess the damage to the country, but I do know that the obligation of an ex-president to speak out against a successor is not dependent on the degree of lawlessness of that successor. No such obligation exists.

maryrose

JimRhoads:
I also have a daughter who suffers and struggles with the issues you reiterated. I have found you have to put it in God's hands and I pray for patience and understanding every day. I will pray for your daughter as well.

Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet

You're in our prayers too, maryrose.

Threadkiller

Does an obligation to remain silent exist?

Danube on iPad

"Does an obligation to remain silent exist?"

Of course not. Each ex-president must decide for himself whether criticizing his successor would help the nation. I believe Carter decided wrongly, and the others correctly.

I have no idea what you imagine might be gained were either Bush to speak out.

anonamom

Matt, may he rest in peace. I hope there is some solace in knowing Max's suffering is over. I am so sorry for your loss.

My father (and thus my family) has lived with treatment refractory depression for over a decade, and the horrendous decision to eliminate residential facilities where people could heal or at least be be safe is something we are aware of every day.

Of note, there are not any private facilities available for "elderly" with mental health disorders.

MaryD

Prayers for you and your family, Maryrose. BTW I love your commentary on this site for your goodness and optimism.

jimmyk

So sorry for your loss, Matt. My condolences.

henry

Sorry for your loss, Matt.

narciso

Carter and Clinton don't pay a price it seems for their treachery, certainly among thee low to mid info crowd,

Porchlight

JimRhoads, maryrose and anonamom, you brighten these pages. Thank you and bless you.

Porchlight

DoT, I agree there is no formal obligation for a former president to speak out.

But one wonders how bad it might get before one did. Surely at some point the survival of the nation trumps party politics and decorum.

clarice

Matt, there are not words enough for me to express my deepest sympathy.

bunkerbuster

Here's a great idea: run in 2016 on the platform: Back to the Bushes. Or maybe you could stick with "Back to Reagan,'' given the GOP hasn't elected a president it isn't ashamed of since 1984...

clarice

Jim and Maryrose, None of us can fully appreciate how heavy a burden yours is, but I know it cannot be easy and for that I am so sorry.

Happy, happy, joy, joy Ignatz

New one from Wretchard.
Iraq's choice is as an AQ state or an Iranian rump as the Revolutionary Guards help the Iraqis retake Tikrit.
Discussing the possibility of Iranian ground forces being supported by US air power;

Can you just hear it now? “OK infidel, what does your Satan F-16 have for me?”

“This is Buick Flight. I have two aircraft with 4 two thousand pound JDAMs and a full load of 20 mike mike.”

“Roger and out, infidel. On my smoke.”
Heh.

kave

Matt,
I have added you and your family to my prayer list. I am so sorry. I pray he is at peace with our loving God.

daddy

Just got to the link about Austrian ATC losing track of 13 aircraft in their sector for 25 minutes (Twice this month)

Looks to be the exact same few paragraphs repeated in every story I can find about it via google, so not much info. Apparently it happened over Austria twice this month, but it or something similar has also happened previously over a German sector and a Czech sector.

Fairly concerning to me if it is intentionally man caused, as European sectors are usually very busy and very small, meaning you are constantly zipping over borders and into somebody else's sector thereby mandating multiple handoffs, whereas stateside it's all pretty much one big umbrella for thousands of miles. If someone is trying to develop the ability to blind the ATC system, or portions of the system, that's definite cause for concern. Hope they can identify a specific cause other than telling us:

Kurier cited unnamed experts as saying interference between the aircrafts’ transponders and ground control was apparently to blame.

At first glance that doesn't convince me, since it has apparently happened in different sectors in different countries, and I am unaware of any new mods in transponders that might be causing that.

Some commenters at the News links are speculating it might be related to the big Solar Flare that just went off, but that wouldn't explain why it had happened before. I'll try to pay attention to see if they figure it out.

Happy, happy, joy, joy Ignatz

If the Dems were actually capable of experiencing shame they'd have to go bout back to Truman.

Threadkiller

I have no idea what you imagine might be gained were either Bush to speak out.

They seem to think something is gained by jumping out of planes or riding bikes with veterans and I agree with them.

I am now asking that they amplify what they are doing.

Old Lurker

My prayers too, Matt. That is rough without a doubt.

Captain Hate on the iPad

Deepest condolences, matt.

DebinNC

{{matt}}

daddy

On Catch up I see that Massachusetts and New Hampshire have apparently received 2 planeloads of illegal kids, but that Barbara Mikulski is fighting to keep them out of Baltimore.

Rhetorical: Why is it Okay to ship these kids everywhere else except anywhere near the Nation's Capitol?

Danube on iPad

"I am now asking that they amplify what they are doing"

Be aaured that if they ever learned of your request they would politely decline it - it's a matter of nice judgment.

I have serious doubts that either man thought he was helping the country by jumping out of airplanes or riding witj veterans. My guess is that they thought, respectively, that the were a)celebrating a birthday, and b) doing something nice for wounded veterans.

And for God's sake, give it a rest.

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