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June 01, 2014



Welcome to June. BEHIND THE CURTAIN: For those pining for an Obama Doctrine victory for the president, here it is: “Don't Do Stupid Shit.” Playbook rarely prints a four-letter word -- our nephews are loyal readers. But we are, in this case, because that is the precise phrase President Obama and his aides are using in their off-the-record chats with journalists.



this was speculated upon in der Standaard earlier in the week;

With the weapons was a white sheet emblazoned with the name of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, a jihadist group fighting in Syria, according to Mr Molins.

so he made it all the way to Marseilles where was he going N. Africa

Frau Vogelfreundin

Like AliceH, I don't think rich should be served up crow or even four and twenty black birds. I've read plenty of scuttlebutt which doesn't look good for Bergdahl, but I'm holding out for something official from the military. Not the WH.

Beasts of England

I realize golf is on the tube almost every week, but the final round of The Memorial is on today. Watson and Scott are slugging it out. It's a beautiful, telegenic track in flawless condition - Nicklaus' best effort.

Happy, happy, joy, joy Ignatz

You know where guys with AK 47s don't shoot Jews? Switzerland; where everybody else has a full auto rifle too.


Immediate cynical impression after watching Susan Rice and Evan Bayh on the Sunday Talk Shows saying:

1) The Presidents prisoner exchange was totally legal
2) There were No Negotiations with the Taliban
3) Americans everywhere are elated we brought the troops home

is that by that logic this Administration would love to have another troop or 2 taken hostage so that they could immediately re-use this wonderful new tactic to unload Gitmo and tout, "We brought the Boys home and We didn't Negotiate with Terrorists!".

Danube on iPad

"How will this blow up in O's face?"

If the guy's comrades come forth in earnest to describe the guy's behavior and its aftermath, I think they will get quite a bit of attention.

I believe that timely promotions while in captivity are routine in the absence of any conviction) (McCain went in a LCdr and came out a Cdr. or Captain). I would not expect that any announcement of an intent to court martial him would have been made by this time in any event. I think the normal course is something analogous to a grand jury proceeding would come first (Article 38?). The question is whether Obama has already exerted such improper command influence that normal procedures will not be followed.

Desertion in a combat zone used to be a very serious offense.

Jack is Back!


Give me your version please with anecdotal evidence from his team mates and others in theater? Also, you must have contridictory emails from Bergdahl that all he wanted to do is negotiate and end of the war on his own with the Taliban. Can you share those?

What is it in the Hastings article, other posts from those serviing in his unit and proximity and his ex CO's that you seem to have a problem with as being knee jerk opinion of this guy's actions?

You and Rich can defend Bergdahl until the cow's come home but you have to have as much compelling evidence to his behalf as the community of vets and team mates have against him.

Danube on iPad

It's an Article 32 hearing, and it's more analogous to a preliminary hearing in a civilian court. A panel hears evidence to determine whether a court martial should be convened.

Frau Vogelfreundin

She really, really believed that "My Walmart" slogan:

A Walmart employee was arrested after she allegedly stole $20,000 from the safe at the College Drive location.

Jack is Back!

Off to bed. Slaap lekker. Will look at the thread tomorrow upon wake up.

BTW, you do not snatch a guy in his OP. If you are a soldier in harm's way, you do not go out into the night without your weapon. In fact, unless you are on orders to do so you do not leave the OP under any circumstances.




Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself

Muslims Ending Prayers With Ameen

Miss Marple

So, did anyone watch the parents press conference?

He mentioned a book deal, I note.

This is the second press appearance by the father, just concluded.


Clearly French Huguenot;

Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet

DOT is right about a CM. It can't happen until a investigation is initiated by the General Court Martial Convening Authority under Article 32 UCMJ and completed with a finding that there dis probable cause to believe that an offense has been committed.

Desertion in a combat zone was a serious offense. UCMJ Article 85 provides:

Any member of the armed forces who:

(1) without authority, goes or remains absent from his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to remain away therefrom permanently; or

(2) quits his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to avoid hazardous duty or to shirk important service is guilty of desertion.

I prosecuted several accused of this offense in RVN, one of whom took on false French identity, and purported to speak only French when arrested in Saigon. We used those two facts to establish that because they showed was AWOL "with intent to remain away permanently and to avoid hazardous duty", he was guilty of desertion. He got a long stretch in Fort Leavenworth.

Captain Hate

As an FYI, my crow comment to rich was at least 75% joking. I met him at chez Clarice and like him quite a bit in a non homo way. Plus he got trolled in the thread last night as well.

Beasts of England

Adm. Denton wrote a book, Miss Marple, but he was also a real American and a real hero. Good grief this is going to be the longest two-and-a-half years in American history.

And while I usually don't give too much of a damn about who sits in the Oval Office - much more concerned about Congress - there simply cannot be another dim to follow BHO. Our nation cannot survive the lawlessness, the hatred, and the economic destruction.


A panel hears evidence to determine whether a court martial should be convened.

Ok, but someone has to make that happen, and that means, presumably, really pissing off the CiC.

JiB, I don't think there's a lot of disagreement about evidence, I think rich and AliceH are just deferring judgment (innocent till proven guilty) until the guy has a chance to defend himself in a trial. I hope that trial happens, but I fear that this will get swept under a giant rug.

Beasts, sorry for your loss.

Miss Marple

I already put a note o Twitter alerting publishers that I am not buying a book by either the father or the son.

We cannot make Obama prosecute him, but we can make sure he isn't paraded around like a hero, and that he isn't able to sell books.

I am fuming here. Just fuming.

Miss Marple

Also, one of those military guys (a colonel or something) said that the parents are "the heart of America." THAT has me nutso as well!


Sorry to hear about your uncle, BoE.

I bet no CM hearing for Bergdahl. I bet NOTHING untoward happens to him. And no, my cynicism could not be any stronger than it is now.

How many troops were killed or wounded looking for this jerk? Makes me sick to my stomach and I just finished eating a delightful omelet.


this is what it comes down to,

of course Susan Rice, also told it was a video, did she not.

Centralcal on iPad

Don't know details or facts about Bergdal, but just watched parents' news conference. Very odd and strangely unsettling comments from the Dad.


JiB: 1) absence of evidence is not evidence of absence 2) saying one wants time to weigh the evidence and, perhaps, allow time for more evidence is not defending a person - it's defending the goals of due process.

You've made up your mind that every relevant fact is known to reach conclusive judgment. Fine by me. We all have different thresholds that vary by subject matter on what "enough" means. Those who weren't declaring conviction in the first couple hours after the story of the exchange broke may well do so after sufficient passage of time without discovery of significant counter- or mitigating evidence. What's wrong with that?

Centralcal on iPad

The dad says to his son via press conference to not worry, because team sent to assist him were "hand picked by us."

Captain Hate

Chris Wallace made the point that Susan Rice declined to be on FNS. As much as Chris isn't my favorite person, I'm sure he exhibited more skepticism on the video claim than either Monkey Boy or whoever the codger is on CBS (not that I'm not having a senior moment remembering his name).


I expect the dopes at the WH looking for a distraction did as good a job vetting this purported POW as they do everything else.
Obama's downward slide is about to hit mach speed.


--Don't know details or facts about Bergdal,--




How many troops were killed or wounded looking for this jerk?

And how many people will be killed by the five Taliban terrorists released in exchange for him?

The whole thing stinks. I'm willing to suspend judgment till a trial if there is a trial, but if this gets covered up, then it's perfectly reasonable to judge the guy. If he doesn't want to get judged, come forward with a proper defense in a court martial.

Jeff Dobbs

Wait. Jay Carney resigned. Dang. Missed my chance to (re)post this (in a timely manner). His replacement:

Miss Marple

Like I said, he won't probably be brought to trial. The word is already out portraying his parents as the "heart of America."

I am simply disturbed by the press conference. Why were the parents given a personal travel agent and a personal secretary by the government? What was the deal about them picking the team? Why is the father up there hinting about book deals?

Centralcal on iPad

Ha ha, AliceH.

Odd, how quiet my newsfeed on Twitter was, MM. Only Shannon Bream seemed to cover the parents' remarks.


The Taleebon already had Barry's number. Watch them agree to direct talks just to depants him again while Lurch intones how this is a serious diplo victory.

Danube on iPad

"and that means, presumably, really pissing off the CiC"

Hence my musing about whether improper command influence has already been exerted by this hapless dope.

There is no question whatsoever that enough public statements have been made by his colleagues that, taken together with his emails, warrant an inquiry into whether he has committed the offense of desertion. Give him due process by all means, but to let this matter drop right now would be a huge disservice to a lot of fine soldiers.


From the Army Times Facebook Page, here are some comments on what his fellow troops think of Bergdahl:

Army Times

The one posted by Todd R Groesbeck just a little bit down seems to be from one of his fellow troops in the area at the time, and is quite lengthy and detailed.


Seriously, this Nemmouche character, likely Morrocan or Algerian extraction, seems like a carbon copy of Merah, he was a former ex con
who went over to Afghanistan, we discovered later from an interrogation of Gersaoui (sic), that he was not a lone wolf,


Since my link above doesn't seem to be working correctly, let me post Groesbeck's post:

Todd R Groesbeck Thomas Owens Forwarded from Jeff Howard. "We were at OP Mest, Paktika Province, Afghanistan. It was a small outpost where B Co 1-501st INF (Airbone) ran operations out of, just an Infantry platoon and ANA counterparts there. The place was an Afghan graveyard. Bergdahl had been acting a little strange, telling people he wanted to "walk the earth" and kept a little journal talking about how he was meant for better things. No one thought anything about it. He was a little “out there”. Next morning he's gone. We search everywhere, and can't find him. He left his weapon, his kit, and other sensitive items. He only took some water, a compass and a knife. We find some afghan kids shortly after who saw an american walking north asking about where the taliban are. We get hits on our voice intercepter that Taliban has him, and we were close. We come to realize that the kid deserted his post, snuck out of camp and sought out Taliban… to join them. We were in a defensive position at OP Mest, where your focus is to keep people out. He knew where the blind spots were to slip out and that's what he did. It was supposed to be a 4-day mission but turned into several months of active searching. Everyone was spun up to find this guy. News outlets all over the country were putting out false information. It was hard to see, especially when we knew the truth about what happened and we lost good men trying to find him. PFC Matthew Michael Martinek, Staff Sgt. Kurt Robert Curtiss, SSG Clayton Bowen, PFC Morris Walker, SSG Michael Murphrey, 2LT Darryn Andrews, were all KIA from our unit who died looking for Bergdahl. Many others from various units were wounded or killed while actively looking for Bergdahl. Fighting Increased. IEDs and enemy ambushes increased. The Taliban knew that we were looking for him in high numbers and our movements were predictable. Because of Bergdahl, more men were out in danger, and more attacks on friendly camps and positions were conducted while we were out looking for him. His actions impacted the region more than anyone wants to admit. There is also no way to know what he told the Taliban: Our movements, locations, tactics, weak points on vehicles and other things for the enemy to exploit are just a few possibilities. The Government knows full well that he deserted. It looks bad and is a good propaganda piece for the Taliban. They refuse to acknowledge it. Hell they even promoted him to Sergeant which makes me sick. I feel for his family who only want their son/brother back. They don’t know the truth, or refuse to acknowledge it as well. What he did affected his family and his whole town back home, who don’t know the truth. Either way what matters is that good men died because of him. He has been lying on all those Taliban videos about everything since his “capture”. If he ever returns, he should be tried under the UCMJ for being a deserter and judged for what he did. Bergdahl is not a hero, he is not a soldier or an Infantryman. He failed his brothers. Now, sons and daughters are growing up without their fathers who died for him and he will have to face that truth someday." Like · 7 · 33 minutes ago

Captain Hate

Nothing this administration does deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Btw the EPA is expected to release a ruling demanding a 30% reduction of carbon dioxide emissions by power plants by 2030. Thanks again, Nixon.


Apologies. I see during catch-up that it has already been posted.

Thomas Collins

My prayers today are for your uncle and his family today, BOE. I am sorry for your loss.

Beasts of England

Thanks for posting that, daddy. Six soldiers died trying to locate him? If what the commenter said is true, then it's just another slap in the face for this administration and its anti-American policies. I am so sick of this crap.

@Captain: Yes, they are to be released tomorrow. The eighth act of BHO's war on middle class America. I guess it's not enough that medical expenses, the price of gas, and food costs are rapidly accelerating - we've got to jack up the cost of everyone's electricity, too. Tantamount to treason.

Beasts of England

Thank you, TC.


Back when the POW/MIA issue, was in the news, in the mid to late 80s, one recalls the case of Bobby Garwood, whose status was uncertain for a time,


Some promises he doesn't fail to keep, #@%@#$@#$^$#
OT, so Space X, has a new capsule out, I see,


MarkO, Wait, what? Obama's just not that smart?

Historian Michael Beschloss: Yeah. Even aside from the fact of electing the first African American President and whatever one’s partisan views this is a guy whose IQ is off the charts — I mean you cannot say that he is anything but a very serious and capable leader and — you know — You and I have talked about this for years …

Imus: Well. What is his IQ?

Historian Michael Beschloss: … our system doesn’t allow those people to become President, those people meaning people THAT smart and THAT capable

Imus: What is his IQ?

Historian Michael Beschloss: Pardon?

Imus: What is his IQ?

Historian Michael Beschloss: Uh. I would say it’s probably - he’s probably the smartest guy ever to become President.

Imus: That’s not what I asked you. I asked you what his IQ was.

Historian Michael Beschloss: You know that I don’t know and I’d have to find someone with more expertise …

Imus: You don’t know.

Historian Michael Beschloss: What do YOU think it is?

Imus: I don’t know. Well mine is 164. I don’t know what that means but it’s a little higher than normal I guess.

Historian Michael Beschloss: Well it’s way beyond genius which does not surprise me.

Imus: It surprised a lot of people when we took it.

Historian Michael Beschloss: Well it doesn’t surprise me.

FWIW, I caught a few sentences of Beschloss doing a cameo comment in the new series about the World Wars. I can't recall if he was talking about the genius of Woodrow Wilson or the genius of FDR, but he was talking about the genius of one of those 2.


Btw the EPA is expected to release a ruling demanding a 30% reduction of carbon dioxide emissions by power plants by 2030.

Fortunately that is the sort of nonsense that can easily be reversed by a Republican administration, assuming it is a conservative one and not one with misplaced "compassion."

It would seem to me to be a winning campaign strategy to have a platform of, in the first 90 days, repealing 404Care and undoing all the EPA, Labor Department, and Obama EOs, along with that JFK EO about unionizing federal employees.

Danube on iPad

NY Post on Brrgdahl:



The solution for the Administration is obvious:

More Cowbell Beschloss.

Rick B

"Six soldiers died trying to locate him?"

Six soldiers died upholding the Army tradition of "no man left behind" which the Coward in Chief failed to uphold whatsoever at Benghazi.

The subject (Bergdahl) is irrelevant to the honorable sacrifice and proper actions taken by men who understand honor and should be viewed in contrast to the cowardice demonstrated by the man who abandoned more than thirty Americans to Mahometan savages in Benghazi.

Beasts of England

Agreed, Rick B.

Miss Marple

That is why when he made his statement he said we "leave no military person behind."

Always with the loopholes.

How long, oh Lord, how long?

I am heading to evening mass.



Did the Kabul station chief object to this prisoner exchange?

At least the Press now know who he is so they can ask that question if they want to. But they won't.


Re: The Bergdahl trade for the 5 Terrorists leaders.

Has Thomas Friedman told us yet that, "The Taliban blinked."


In the third ring of the circus, hometown girl,
Frances Robles, who failed upwards in the Zimmerman matter to a slot on Carlos Slim's, doesn't notice amiss in the case of the fellow from Ft Pierce, who wound up in Idlib, last week,

Beasts of England

From DoT's link:

“I am ashamed to be an American. And the title of US soldier is just the lie of fools,” he [Bowe Bergdahl] concluded. “I am sorry for everything. The horror that is America is disgusting.”


well Bergdahl knows his audience, you have to grant him that much;

Unneccessary tree murder like this, which is akin to Mark Landler, Helene Cooper should be punished;

Captain Hate

From narc's link:

House Republicans, meanwhile, will spend part of the summer ramping up a new inquiry into an unhappy chapter in her record: the terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya, in 2012 that killed four Americans, a tragedy that continues to dog her. She has accepted responsibility for the event, calling it her “biggest regret,” but also has said Republicans have exploited it for political gain.

Rodham regrets it so much that she stonewalled everybody from testifying with some scam "blood clots" story of which there hasn't been a medical record presented; not that the Praetorian media would dare ask her thighness for it. Have Republicans exploited it like the donks did setbacks in Iraq where they called Petraeus names? Maybe the blood clots and four year happy hour have erased those memories.


Sometimes a good slattering is in order;

Hagel did not respond to questions on whether he believed Bergdahl was trying to desert the Army or go absent without leave when he walked away from his unit in Afghanistan five years ago.

"This is a guy who probably went through hell the last five years and let's focus on getting him well and getting him back with his family," Hagel said.

He said that Bergdahl walked to the "extraction helicopter" under his own steam and added that he was not surprised by reports that the sergeant was having difficulty speaking English."

He’s been held by the Taliban — we don’t know under what circumstances — for five years. As far as we know, he was not held with any other Americans," he said.

That, to me, is an admission that there are more POWs.


Quiz Time (Racist Edition)

Who said the following?

“I don’t understand black people. The minute you give them a little bit of money, they don’t know what to do with it.”

They “just act crazy. They want to put extra rims. They’re like, ‘Yo, I wanna put extra rims on top of my rims. And my rims are gonna turn around. I’m gonna call them, what? Spinners’ ”

“They do stupid s–t like that when there’s people starving all over the world.”

“We don’t like black people.”

A) The Koch Brothers
B) Donald Sterling
C) Paula Deen
D) V. Stiviano

The envelope please...

And the answer is...

Captain Hate

Hagel's a Jew hating idiot and I don't trust a damn thing he said. I've had it with lies from this scummy bunch which their enablers gleefully parrot.


I did catch a little of dad Bergdahl's part in that press announcement which seemed to go on and on.
I was cooking so didn't catch all that he said but will rely on MM's assessment.

The mom is quite nice appearing and says pretty sensible things. Dad not so much.
So sue me but I tend to blame the soldier's thinking and behavior on his upbringing and as a whole the parents seem like dingbats to me.

Beasts of England

And Bergdahl's life has not been in danger for the last five years and would have only been so in the next thirty day period awaiting legal congressional notification? Yeah, that's the ticket...


This deal stinks. Who *is* fighting for the US marine down Mexico way?

Gretta Van Susterin.


So do the Top Men, who vouched for him, have any second thoughts;

Cecil Turner (on mini pad)

Can't have a court martial without a senior officer deciding to convene one. (Typically a Convening Authority for a serious case is the first general officer in the chain of command.

I'd guesstimate the chances of anyone doing so in this case to be right about nil.

Jeff Dobbs

hagel-this-prisoner-swap-might-produce-peace-in our time negotiations-with-the-taliban/


Well that's ok then;


Muslims Ending Prayers With Ameen


Here's some Muslim's ending prayers without "Ameen."


Well Viv showed herself to be a rocket surgeon all ready, but she shoes not only lack of self awareness, but colossal stupidity,


and revisiting an old subject;

I guess 'speaking truth to power' is a conditional thing.


I hope we planted some chips into those tallybons.


Has any prominent Republican raised the question about the station chief's opinion on the prisoner exchange and whether that might have figured into his inadvertent outing?

If not, why not?


A panel hears evidence to determine whether a court martial should be convened.

Ok, but someone has to make that happen, and that means, presumably, really pissing off the CiC.

In our upside down society I could see the Prez and the Press blowing off a CM if this Bergdahl guy was a woman or some ethnic minority, saying that his fellow troops or the Military Brass were unfairly targeting him because he was a minority. But since he's one of the privileged White boys, what will be the particular excuse used for him? That he's already suffered enough? That we'll be able to read all about it when he releases his DD-214 along with John Kerry?

I recall from Navy days when one of my Black troops was caught stealing from another Black troop, and he popped positive for cocaine. At the time, popping positive for coke was an automatic military discharge, but after a quick call to Congressman Ron Dellums the case was immediately dropped, the mandatory Military rules were discarded, and the troublemaker was immediately transferred from Alameda to JAX Florida to torment another command.

So that said, I think if this Administration thinks it's beneficial to forego a CM, we won't ever see one.


Betting now open as to who will get the First Interview of Bergdahl:

The View
Rolling Stone
Al Jizz

Who am I leaving out?


Who am I leaving out?

Maybe Baba Wawa will come back from retirement.

Jim Miller

daddy - You may know this already, but it was new to me, so I'll share it with everybody: In the preparations for the North African invasion in late 1942, a number of commanders decided to dump some of their less desirable soldiers in Norfolk bars and, uh, commercial "houses".

Atkinson describes these men as "involuntary AWOLs".

I suppose that even sergeants and chief petty officers can't get away with that kind of sensible action these days -- which is unfortunate.

(Atkinson doesn't describe how it was done, unfortunately, though I am sure all of us can think of possible ways to do it.)


According to Bergdahl's father, the parents were able to choose which of the Special Forces troops would be sent on the mission to retrieve his son. By implication, it would seem that he deemed some of the Special Forces operators what - dangerous, unfit, opposed to the slick deal that the administration was pulling.

I believe that it was DoT who said that the exchange of 5 high value terrorists for the return of a soldier who was at a minimum AWOL is an exploding cigar that will blow up in Obama's face. Oh, the Democrats will try to mau mau this for the midterm elections stating that the Republicans are anti-military, etc. But from the smattering of comments that I've read here and on other sites, this exchange is not getting the favorable reaction that the White House might have hoped for - especially in military circles.

One more thing, the more that Bergdahl's father keeps talking, the worse it will be for his son. His inferences about possible book deals were chilling. I for one was stunned when he stepped up to the microphone in the Rose Garden and began his statement in what apparently was fluent Pashto.

I'm glad Bergdahl's back, but he warrants close observation for the near term. This is not a victory lap for Obama, nor should it be.


Did any of you see Evan Bayh?? Holy Fuck Batman, the guy is the full reetard. He suggested that The Taliban will not be emboldened to take more American prisoners, because they are already trying as hard as they can to take Americans' prisoner.
My Dear Mr Bayh, every evil doer now fully understands how much Americans are worth. How fucking stupid is our ruling class??


Give them Evan Bayh and see what happens.

Rick B


Think Bourbons waiting for their haircut or Romanovs excited about the trip to Ekaterinburg. A little more than that.

Beasts of England

I heard the comment by Bergdahl's father about selecting the mission members and assumed it had to be a mistake. Anyone on here want to render an opinion? I can't, for any reason, understand allowing his parents to have any input whatsoever on this prisoner swap. Heck, I can't imagine that they would know much of anything at all about it. Sheesh.


Sorry about your loss, prayers for your family.


I saw that puff piece about the suicide bomber by Ms. Robles, I wonder if he is considered a White-Arab?

Ms. Viv forgot to say that they also squander their money on people like her.



I didn't know that. I do know that shortly after Dec 7th, 1941, my recently graduated US ARMY ROTC Dad wound up as a 2nd Lt at Camp Croft South Carolina, in charge of bootcamp training of incoming new conscripts and recruits from New York City.

Pop used to say that he had some very tough Enlisted Sergeants who every night had to go out back to bare-knuckle knock the snot out of some of the worst of these New York know-it-alls. I recall Pop saying they his Sergeants didn't always win, but almost all of the time they did. He just said that was what happened back in WW2 days.

Then he went on over to North Africa, then baptism by fire in Southern Italy, and he would hardly ever talk anymore about it.


logic was not a course they offered at St, Albans, apparently, Laura and Liz, made short work of that notion, thank's to Lugar, heating up the compresses, we couldn't get him replaced,

probably Rolling Stone, will get the first interview, he's already sized up the America hating stoner demographic. Bowe also voices the administration's view of counterinsurgency, which is too blunt for the exquisite subtlety that Landler, Cassidy and Zakaria seem to note,


For those that have watched Homeland, I hope that thin Bergdahl does not turn out to be a non-fiction version and that innocents here pay for it with their lives.


Your comments on Bayh are on the money Gus.

And what do you think Boko Haram with the schoolgirls now thinks about

If they have the brains that God gave a toaster, they have to now be thinking, "the US will give us anything we want. What do we want?"

Captain Hate

Evan Bayh is increasingly reminding me of ManBearPig. Both "to the manor born" of Senate royalty and deign to lord over us mere commoners who are never adequately grateful for their superiority. Maybe it's just me but he seems to be increasingly haughtily insufferable from his occasional perch on FNS.

That Miss Marple has informed us of a cooter problem only makes it better.

Miss Marple

daddy, My father was in North Africa and Italy, too. He was an enlisted gy who rose to tech sergeant and had a bunch of guys under him, Quartermaster. Weird group, as he had tailors from New York, mechanics from Chicago and Pittsburgh, carpenters from North Carolina, etc.

He got 2 Bronze Stars, one for organizing the street people of Naples to do repair work, and one for bringing a guy out of the mountains from a castle where he was hiding with some Italian noblewoman. He took him to a drop-off at the seacoast with orders to shoot anyone who tried to stop them. He believed the guy was involved in torpedo design.

My father picked up languages easily, and was speaking fluent Italian after he was in Italy for a couple of months. 5th Army.

Rick B


I'll go with no organ grinder. I offer the NYT pleading for the President to just shut up and sit down as evidence. His "team" now consists of third rate bobble head sycophants and his "strategy" involves continuously looping idiocy to satisfy support segments interspersed with ill conceived juvenalia which reinforces the fact we have a clown sitting in the Oval Office.

Jeff Dobbs

probably Rolling Stone, will get the first interview

But Hastings won't be around to write it.


“Frankly, we don’t give a s–t why he left,” one White House official said at the time. “He’s an American soldier. We want to bring him home.”


Neither will Taibi, perhaps Janet Reitman, who wrote that glowing profile of the T-Dawg's on her trapper keeper, Charlie Pierce in Esquire will write the next one,

I can recall when ManBear Pig, ran as the moderate in the Democratic primary in 1988, his campaign
lasted for about a milisecond, then the onset of rage virus set in,


Miss Marple,

Is this your Pop?


a lowbrow version of Montoya and Vizzini;

Miss Marple


Ha! No, but my dad bought that Bill Maudlin book when it came out, and I still have the copy rattling around here somewhere.

My dad said he had never seen more mud than in Italy. One thing it did was end ANY interest he had in camping. He loved to fish and hunt, but he bought a one-room log cabin in Wisconsin for that. No tents!

I have swell pictures he took in North Africa and Italy.

Captain Hate

Yes, MarkO, I saw that in the link. Really gives you some idea how "by the book" that crew is. Meanwhile there's a Marine in jail in Mexico...

Danube on iPad

I understood the father to be talking about the people who are counseling his son now in Germany, not the SEALs.

Lemme get this straight: we went into Afghanistan in 2002. At one point we had something like 100,00 troops there. Now we've told them we'll be down to fewer than 10,00 in six months, and gone altogether in eighteen. So Hagel thinks they're now ready to negotiaite for "peace?"

Forget about any court martial. The fighting men will continue to seethe; most of the rest of the country has already decided he's a hero. (Note that in their email exchange the father didn't say "do your duty"; he said "follow your conscience.")

This used to be a great country.


In Obama's America, he is a hero. He was available to use as a pawn in a purely political move.

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