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Ignatz Ratzkiwaski

--Oh, sure, because confidence in Big Government is also sky-high.

Not to be all negative, of course.--

Negative? Guess I'm a glass half full kinda guy.

sbw

ig: Guess I'm a glass half full kinda guy.

But is the water in the glass warm or cold?

Man Tran on iPhone

Following up on yesterday's debate here on the issue of BOzo's impeachment, I ran across a comment under daddy's link to Wretchard.

[...]Elsewhere today I was writing about Sarah Palin's call for the impeachment of Obama. Yes, the practical barriers will prevent it. Because, and even though observers admit it, they do not see that it is a quantum change. Fully 1/2 and more of our body politic and 2/3 of the structure of our government have deliberately abandoned the constitutional template of 225 years in erecting those barriers.

I favor the effort, because " otherwise we are acquiescing in Obama's declaration of himself as Imperator Mundi". Not that it will be sufficient, but rather it is necessary to prove that what follows is the consequence of rape and not consent.

Subotai Bahadur (my emphasis)

This is the slam dunk. I'm not willing to lie back and think of England.

AliceH

What world temperature exactly are we meant to be stablizing?

Lots of "2 degrees" talk and "compared to pre-industrial surface temperature" references... not much in the way of "1860 value 53.7, 2015 target 55.7 or less" type of statements.

I begin to suspect their consensus of precision on maximum supportable increase is not carried over to equal consensus or precision of the baseline or the target temperature.

Old Lurker

...and where exactly is that target temperature to be, Alice, and if it to be an average, then we all know that introduces unlimited combinations averaging the same.

It is too silly to contemplate.

Rick B

AliceH,

Now that's just cheating. We can't play SkyDragon without false precision and you know it. What's next? Are you going to insist upon an accurate description of the effect of H2O on climate?

We might just as well quit right now if you're going to behave like this.

AliceH

It won't be long before a slew of new "shared responsibility taxes" are proposed. Want to buy a gasoline or diesel car? No problem - but you'll owe $10K "shared responsibility tax" on your next 1040. Can't afford a new electric car? No problem - sign on to the Transportation Marketplace website, enter your zip code, income, family size and see if you qualify for subsidies. You might even qualify for Bus'aid - free transit from and to the destinations your betters have selected as best suited to your needs!

NK(withnewsoftware)

UAH satellite reading for June 2014 is 0.3C higher than 20 year average. Big deal. The 2014 el nino looks like it will be tepid, not a repeat of the 1998 super el nino. Temps are stable, the models are wrong, the data prove that. There is nothing to talk about. Ignore the UN and their grant money starved crony climate gangsters.

Old Lurker

Oh Alice, be serious.

Next thing you will be speculating that the EPA has the right to garnish our paychecks for breaking one of their top secret rules.

lyle
[The report] offers a sobering conclusion. We might be able to pull it off. But it will take an overhaul of the way we use energy, and a huge investment in the development and deployment of new energy technologies and by "investment," we mean taking shitloads of tax money and giving it to Green Dem Parasites. Significantly, it calls for an entirely different approach to international diplomacy on the issue of how to combat climate change.

Because fighting Skydragon ain't cheap!

lyle

I'll start believing there's a warming problem when coastal real estate starts plummeting in value.

Captain Hate

Going full Costanza is never a smart idea:

http://minx.cc:1080/?post=350359

jimmyk on iPad

Not only do they profess to know the precise amount of carbon reduction required to lower the temperature 2 degrees, and the precise measures to achieve it, they evidently know the precise benefits of doing so. That's just so . . . Sciency!

Ignatz Ratzkiwaski

If the fascists get their way either millions will die as trillions in wealth is destroyed without effecting the climate one iota or even more millions will die if by some miracle they actually succeed in keeping our planet colder than it otherwise would be while destroying trillions in wealth.

I presume sovereign immunity protects our overlords from those millions and their loved ones.

Moreover, since we are in an interglacial period during the present ice age, if these retards actually do what they pretend they can and, oops, kick off the next glaciation early, I'm assuming residents of the various metropolises scraped from the face of the earth prematurely will not have standing either.

AliceH

I just need a gram of soma.

chemman

If they really want to pull it off then it will take a lot bigger investment in fusion rather than fission.

Threadkiller

Do these same scientists weigh in of the policy of dumping billions of gallons of fresh water into the Pacific in the middle of a drought?

Rick B

jimmyk,

With all that scientistic knowledge on display it's just amazing that no one seems to want to buy a ticket to the Watermelonman v SkyDragon cage match. Maybe they should try some Godzilla v Mothra trailers in their advertising campaign?

Ignatz Ratzkiwaski

Interesting longevity chart and study for those aged 75.
What I take from it is how little difference the amount of alcohol consumed makes.

Tom Maguire
Guess I'm a glass half full kinda guy.

Some see a glass that's half full; I see a specimen cup.

henry

Ig, sovereign immunity protected Ceausescu just fine.

Threadkiller

That's because you are cultured, TM.

Ignatz Ratzkiwaski

--Some see a glass that's half full; I see a specimen cup--

Not sure how to take that; let's hope not as an endorsement of Gandhi's beverage of choice.
Re my 1:08, I'll note Gandhi only made it to 78.

lyle

From CH's link:

He likes it BearBack.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at July 09, 2014 12:00 PM (7HjKx)

"Andrew Sullivan" is also weighing in there.

lyle

What I take from it is how little difference the amount of alcohol consumed makes.

Whew!

Danube on iPad

"it is necessary to prove that what follows is the consequence of rape and not consent"

There's the rub: we know going in that there will be no consequence.

I am wondering about Boehner's lawsuit: what will be in the prayer for relief, i.e., what will he ask the Court to do? Restore the Obamacare deadlines he unlawfully extended? Order Obama to prosecute more drug offenses? I'm not seeing it....

rich@gmu

oh good grief.

NK(withnewsoftware)

@1:12- what does THAT mean?

Ignatz Ratzkiwaski

Tons of excellent comments at CH's Ace link including this, which I haven't checked for veracity;

Ted Cruz tweeted Obama mapquest directions from Dallas to McAllen and Austin to Laredo. Best. Troll. Ever.

jimmyk

Gandhi only made it to 78.

Somehow living conspicuously among Muslim and Hindu religious fanatics isn't on that chart.

Captain Hate

Listening to her show probably hastened his demise in the most mentally painful way possible:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2014/07/09/npr-star-diane-rehm-helps-her-husband-commit-slow-suicide-then-agitates-

henry

NK, I'm not up to speed on post-unicorn ironic-ex-ante prose like our fearless leader here, but in flyover-speak it translates to DOOM.

Captain Hate

From the Horde:

What did Maverick do now?

He tried to get into one of thee interment camps and they told him to get fucked. Now he's doing a stompy stomp. Fucking tool that he is.

Posted by: effit at July 09, 2014 01:44 PM (knfPD)

Apparently Rush is howling over this.

MaxB

According to my June issue of Time Magazine, there was a real consensus among medical and nutritional scientists for 40 years. Almost everyone in those fields agreed that a diet lower in fat would produce thinner healthier people.

After 40 years of increasing obesity, diabetes, and heart disease, many of those scientists are now saying, "Whoops! Never mind. Our bad."

I'm not sure exactly how complex Earth's climate is, but I'm thinking maybe...

Old Lurker

Since I do not smoke but I do eat fruit, I just arranged the chart to see how much I can drink and how little I can exercise.

My conclusion is that so long as I get up to walk to the bar to mix my next drink, all is good...

Whew.

NK(withnewsoftware)

Henry: OHhhhhh. I don't travel in those sorts of cultured irony-filled social circles. Thanks for the translation.

pagar

"Do these same scientists weigh in of the policy of dumping billions of gallons of fresh water into the Pacific in the middle of a drought?"

As long as it destroys more of the economy of the US they are achieving their goal,from what I can tell.

henry

NK, I spent all morning with social marketing experts. Only beer can cure me now.

lyle

Almost everyone in those fields agreed that a diet lower in fat would produce thinner healthier people

They'll never admit they were wrong and they damn sure won't admit what truly produces thinner, healthier people: wealth.

AliceH

Almost everyone in those fields agreed that a diet lower in fat would produce thinner healthier people.... many of those scientists are now saying, "Whoops! Never mind. Our bad."

Sort of.

For 40 years they said "Trust us - we're Highly Trained Medical Professionals who only want what's best for you, so cut fat from your diet" and "a calorie is a calorie". Now they say "Trust us - we're Highly Trained Medical Professionals who only want what's best for you, so cut carbs/sugar from your diet" and "not all calories are equal".

There isn't any substantive evidence of Authorities admitting they were wrong or even acknowledging they are now offering different/contradictory advice. Near as I can tell, the party line is it's "the food industry" at fault for marketing based on their previous advice and for not shifting gears fast enough to market based on the new advice.

NK(withnewsoftware)

The experts? weren't they paid by the Dept of Agric and BigAg? funny how they concluded that carbs were better for us than fat.

pagar

"Ted Cruz tweeted Obama mapquest directions from Dallas to McAllen and Austin to Laredo. "

The picture of Obama trying to get that umbrella comes to mind.

matt

To most NYT readers electricity comes from the same place the lamb chops in the meat department do. Their only thought about Indian Point, which supplies up to 30% of the city's power, is to shut it down.

The administration has stymied every nuclear plant in the works, undermining financing by not providing the loan guarantees they did in the past. It is all a scam against conventional energy guided by the Greens.

Extraneus
To achieve stabilization at a 2°C warming, we would need to install ~900 ± 500 MW [mega-watts] of carbon emissions-free power generating capacity each day over the next 50 years. This is roughly the equivalent of a large carbon emissions-free power plant becoming functional somewhere in the world every day. In many scenarios, this pace accelerates after mid-century. . . even stabilization at a 4°C warming would require installation of 410 MW of carbon emissions-free energy capacity each day.

The Earth hasn't warmed in 17 years. These people should all be stripped of their credentials and made to work in the fields.

Captain Hate

Do these same scientists weigh in of the policy of dumping billions of gallons of fresh water into the Pacific in the middle of a drought?

When did this happen and why? This isn't about the reservoir where some nitwit was photographed peeing and everybody lost their minds, is it?

Threadkiller


Tom McClintock op-ed:
"California Drains Reservoirs in the Middle of a Drought

The state desperately needs water, yet federal policy sends huge 'pulse flows' into the Pacific to benefit fish."

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304547704579565622649474370?mobile=y

No paywall.

jimmyk

The experts? weren't they paid by the Dept of Agric and BigAg?

Not sure if that can explain it, given that cattle and chickens are part of BigAg too, and we are told that higher meat consumption uses even more grain for feeding all those cattle.

BigAg definitely explains the sugar price supports that benefit both sugar producers and ADM, as well as the ethanol nonsense, all of which has been harmful to health.

NK(withnewsoftware)

Jimmy: but BigAg gets a higher markup for grains used for people consumption than for livestock consumption, don't they? ... wait.

(A) nuther Bub

The government experts who told us for decades that fat was bad and that "A calorie is a calorie" were the nutritional analogs of what JOMers call the GOPe. They remain in charge as evidenced by Michelle Obama's school lunch program, where healthy and active little kids are forced to drink low-fat milk, fergodssake, among other mindless substitutions of bad food for good.

The ones advising carb avoidance have been the Ted Cruz faction of nutrition -- Atkins, Michael Eades, Taubes, etc. -- still much maligned by the "togas" of nutrition expertise. Gaining some respect finally, but still mainly in an underground fashion.

BTW, does anyone know the parameters of high vs. moderate consumption of alcohol from that story? Asking for a friend, natch.

Jack is Back! (In the USA)

LOL. How long do you think it will take to make all those nukes "shovel ready" ?

Talk about folly. I only wish we had the political will to buiid a breeder reactor or a high temperature gas reactor or a scaled up thorium reactor but we don't and everyone knows it.

It appears the Times finally has a comics page.

clarice

Think how much cooler the world would be if we capped the methane from the B.S, spewed each day at the NYT.

narciso

afternoon all, heh about mcCain getting shut out, about antics in Denver, snorfle, except
Hickenlooper should be held accountable for
swallowing the cool aid, Graham Chapman, would pipe in, and say 'it's very silly indeed'

in other news, we have reached the R.D. Laing, where the authorities are insane;

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/07/it-begins-us-citizen-goes-to-jail-for-collecting-rain-water/

Porchlight

That's an interesting analogy, (A)B.

I think I would characterize the Ted Cruzes of the world as those who would encourage us to eschew "experts" and use our own common sense in making food choices. And would work to maximize our freedom from nannyish food freaks in general.

Meaning if people are going to interfere in our lives, it really doesn't matter if they are fat avoiders or carb avoiders. The interference is the problem, not whether their prescription is the correct one. I want to abolish or at least drastically reduce the power of the EPA. But I want to do this because the EPA is intrusive and oppressive and destructive of my liberty, not because it is wrong about climate change.

Porchlight

That's an interesting analogy, (A)B.

I think I would characterize the Ted Cruzes of the world as those who would encourage us to eschew "experts" and use our own common sense in making food choices. And would work to maximize our freedom from nannyish food freaks in general.

Meaning if people are going to interfere in our lives, it really doesn't matter if they are fat avoiders or carb avoiders. The interference is the problem, not whether their prescription is the correct one. I want to abolish or at least drastically reduce the power of the EPA. But I want to do this because the EPA is intrusive and oppressive and destructive of my liberty, not because it is wrong about climate change.

Porchlight

Sorry for the double post. Typepad no like me today.

(A) nuther Bub

Porch: Meaning if people are going to interfere in our lives, it really doesn't matter if they are fat avoiders or carb avoiders. The interference is the problem, not whether their prescription is the correct one.

I should not have used a political analogy. So far, at least, all of us are free to eat what we want to eat. Some of us may become "nannyish food freaks" and I may be included in that category, I supppose. When one has had a life-enhancing result -- long-retained weight loss and vast improvement in all vital signs -- it's easy to get bitten by an evangelistic bug and annoy everyone. I'll stop now. My only intent was to say it's not government or its agencies who have an anti-carb stance. It's individuals like me who have experienced the result. Amen. Peace be upon us.

Porchlight

I certainly don't count you as such, (A)B. I am surrounded by them here in Austin, though. Those who would actively seek to limit my choices (or my kids' choices, or my choices on behalf of my kids) for our own good.

Most of my friends who have succeeded in serious weight loss have done so on low-carb diets. Many have gained the weight back, but any serious weight loss requires maintenance. Someday I'm going to actually lose my 11-year-old "baby weight" and low carb/high protein has definitely helped so far. :)

NK(withnewsoftware)

Porch 5 years ago Medifast low carb got me down 60lbs of fat. Over the years I gained 25lbs back. In the last 3 months I have glacially lost about half, and have 12lbs or so to go. The summer tennis is helping, and another help is dropping Diet Softdrinks. Big help the past few weeks. Instead I drink homemade Fresh fruit infused water. Hmmmm.

Porchlight

Good for you, NK!

Bruce

I got lost here a bit. My understanding is that since there hasn't been any real global warming over the last 1 3/4 decades, that the new crisis is anthropogenic global climate change (AGCC) and not AGW. But, they seem to be stuck on AGW, and apparently are using the same models that failed so dramatically to predict the lack of global warming to determine how much CO2 abatement is needed. Seems a bit fuzzy here to me.

apetra

According to the science, deep de-Clintonization of the U.S. is a higher priority.

EnerGeoPolitics

"2 degrees Celsius" is a number just plucked from the air, anyway. Nobody really knows whether or not we can adapt to temps 3, 4 or even 5 degrees C warmer. So, when it becomes clear that we cannot meet the "urgent" 2 degrees C target, they will just raise it to 3 degrees C.

It's a moving target because, on the one hand, the honest players don't know what the real temp cutoff is, and on the other hand, the dishonest brokers don't have temperature as their real target anyway.

Fat Man

Global warming? You will whimper and beg for global warming before nature is done with you:

"Poor man’s polar vortex to make shocking summer return in eastern U.S. next week"
By Jason Samenow July 10 at 10:35 am

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2014/07/10/poor-mans-polar-vortex-to-make-shocking-summer-return-in-eastern-u-s-next-week/

cathyf

Really, Fat Man? That unseasonably cold weather is in the midwest this week, and it's been really nice. 70 rather than 90 in July has been quite a treat! Enjoy it while it lasts...

Weather is like that, it changes from day to day. Enjoy the enjoyable weather, grit your teeth through the ugly weather, it all averages out over time.

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