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peter

Good Saturday morning to all.

peter

I deleted mozilla from my computer a few months ago, and switched to Avant, which has worked very well. Lately however, it hangs on JOM trying to download a flash player ad to the left. The right column will ever be a Gary Taubes shrine, but the left is whatever I have surfed recently, and a car dealership is making it very slow to reload JOM.

James D.

Happy Saturday morning to all!

(That's all I got so far today - too early for anything more sibstantitove than that)

Jane

IRS: Lerner's hard drive was wiped clean in 2011

The IRS said under oath Friday that former agency official Lois Lerner’s hard drive was destroyed and recycled, echoing earlier testimony from its commissioner.

In its most extensive comments yet on Lerner’s hard drive, the agency said in court filings Friday that the hard drive was destroyed in 2011 to protect confidential taxpayer information.

Before that, the IRS said, the hard drive underwent a process designed to permanently erase stored data. That process occurred after a series of IRS technical officers examined Lerner’s hard drive, and found that it couldn’t be restored after a crash.

The IRS’s court filings came as part of a lawsuit filed against the agency by True the Vote, a conservative activist group.

Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/finance/212749-irs-lerner-hard-drive-recycled-and-destroyed#ixzz37v3C4SK3
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I'm pretty sure that's not going to work seeing under the Z Street case they had an obligation not to wipe it clean.


Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/finance/212749-irs-lerner-hard-drive-recycled-and-destroyed#ixzz37v2zZ1yv
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narciso

Has anyone got my email?

narciso

So where did Judicial Watch get those emails from.

Miss Marple

At what altitude do Ukrainian transport planes fly?

To hit an airliner at 33,000 feet, wouldn't you have to know it is there?

Do the rebels in that part of the Ukraine have radar? If they have radar, wouldn't they know at what altitude the plane was flying?

I am not understanding why you would deliberately shoot down an airliner, nor am I understanding how you could mistake it for a troop transport. If someone could explain this to me I would be grateful, as I am not up to snuff on weapons systems.

Also, why do we not have a list of Americans on the plane? The odds are that there were a few, just like on the missing Malaysian plane. Even if there were people with dual citizenship, aren't they still US citizens?

Also, custody of the debris field seems to be as secure as that around the Benghazi site.

narciso

As I pointed out earlier, Girkin who seems to be the rebel leader, even though this new character, Bezler has a higher rank, served with one of Russia's elite army units, the 45th Reconnaisance, in Chechnya, which was known for it's ruthlessness, according to Russian human rights investigators,

Miss Marple

narciso,

I read that about Girkin.

However, it doesn't answer my question about how they knew where the plane was, and if they knew, where it was, why didn't they know it was an airliner, and if they knew, then why shoot it down?

I realize Girkin is ruthless, but this seems to me to be a counter-productive action which even crazies would understand would cause outrage in most of the world, lack of sympathy for separatists, and probably Putin distancing himself from them.

Jack is Back!

narc,

No email from you.

peter

narc, no email from you, either, not surprising since you don't know my email (but Clarice does)

narciso

yes, he's a bloodthirsty SOB, but much like the Siberian air force base chief, he didn't intend to take down a commercial jetliner

Ignatz Ratzkiwaski

Even after a bogey McElroy suddenly up by five when he was tied with Fowler seemingly about three minutes ago.

DrJ

peter,

I ave been having trouble with the latest Flash player version too. One computer with a relatively modest amount of memory (3GB) has Flash hang regularly; one with 20GB works OK.

Since I watch Flash occasionally, I installed a Flashblock plugin to prevents Flash from loading initially, but you can click on it if you want to watch it. It works pretty well.

I don't know it it is available for your browser.

Jack is Back!

MM

The BUK system uses target acquisition radar. The operators have a large (30km) scanning range. No problem whatsoever to pick out a target at 33K feet and bring it down. It's what the system was designed to do,

BTW, military aircraft fly similar altitudes,

Beasts of England

Rory eagled number 15; Rickie took a double bogie on the same. Five shot swing. Yikes!

Beasts of England

Uh, a four shot swing. Sorry - it's early for me...

hit and run

Good morning. narciso, I sent an email to you and JiB, if that is the reason for your query about anyone having your email.

Although, if it is not, well, then that doesn't change the fact that I sent the email to you and JiB, I suppose.

Anyone else stay up 'til almost 5am? I ain't in no ways am tired.

Threadkiller

Your 5am or my 5am?

Ignatz Ratzkiwaski

If I had $50k to waste I'd buy this pretty old XK150 stop the rust, rebuild the engine and transmission, put an interior in it and drive it as is. Lovely old survivor.

Neo

If eating Brussel Sprouts caused you to become Belgian, I could see the case for avoidance of GMO-s.

Sandy       WDC Delinda Est      Daze

Malaysia Airlines MH17: Was Putin's Flight the Original Target of Missile Attack?

The theorizing and conspiracizing (sp?) enters warp speed...

FTA:

Russian President Vladimir Putin might have been the real target of the missile attack that brought down the Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 as it emerges that Putin's plane was in a similar flight path coinciding with the crash as he was returning from the Brics summit in Brazil.

Threadkiller

Go for it Ig!

Jack is Back!

narc,

Found the email and sent 2 responses.

Momto2

"Also, custody of the debris field seems to be as secure as that around the Benghazi site."

MM - I have read several descriptions of what is being done and it is just horrid. If one of my loved ones were lying in that field, I would be beside myself! I read the pilot was found still strapped in his seat, several bodies had their clothes blown off, one dear soul crashed through someone's kitchen ceiling! And, as time ticks on, the decomposition must be intensifying.

henry

Speaking of conspiracies, the GAB wants to intervene in the John Doe lawsuit at the 7th Circuit. Yes, another 7 in important events.

Cecil Turner

Do the rebels in that part of the Ukraine have radar? If they have radar, wouldn't they know at what altitude the plane was flying?

The missile system itself has several radars, but they're not the standard civilian type that reads altitude and squawk. All they see is a target, and a basic idea of altitude (low, medium, or high) and range. They can't distinguish between a transport and an airliner (which are basically the same type of aircraft), or make fine distinctions in cruising altitude or flight profile.

An air defense system is designed to sweep the sky of incoming aircraft (and distinguish only whether it's a friend or foe, not weed out non participants who presumably wouldn't be flying through a war zone anyway). It's all fairly understandable (more so than the Vincennes incident, actually).

Here's a basic graphic of how it works (from the SA6, which is the precursor and practically the same system):

Ignatz Ratzkiwaski

--who presumably wouldn't be flying through a war zone anyway--

Ders too much presumin goin on out der.

Cecil Turner

Ders too much presumin goin on out der.

Concur, but no air defense system (neither ours nor the Russians') has the capacity to weed out non-participants. (Nor can I think of any practical way to do it.)

It doesn't make it any less heinous on the part of the shooters, but in hindsight the decision to route air traffic over the area looks indefensible.

Ignatz Ratzkiwaski

It's especially indefensible in that it seems impossible for any airline not to know a civilian transponder is no protection against SAM systems. And considering Russian involvement and Ukraine's use of Russian systems, it seems impossible they didn't know SAM systems capable of striking that high had to be active.

peter

iggy@ 10:46

"stop the rust" LOL

JerryRigged

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DebinNC

“It’s 3 a.m. and your children are safe and asleep,” Hillary Clinton’s campaign imagined in 2008. “But there’s a phone in the White House and it’s ringing.” Things are “happening” in a “dangerous” world. “Who do you want answering the phone?”

Today we know the answer: The phone isn’t ringing in the White House. It’s ringing in the Kremlin. And the man answering it is Vladimir Putin.

Hmm... Surely the phone is ringing in the WH. The question is who's picking up and saying, "We'll get back to you on that" but never does? How insulated from unpleasantries is BOzo the Bear being knowingly and happily kept by VJ et al?

Ignatz Ratzkiwaski

--Go for it Ig!--

I'd like to, TK but too much going on.
I'd say there is significant upside on that car with a used interior installed and the internals of the engine and transmission fixed but the outer patina preserved.
Weathered survivors are at a premium these days and refurbished but not restored I'd bet that is a $90-100,000 car at an auction.

--"stop the rust" LOL--

The body looks pretty decent. If you can avoid sills and body panel replacement it wouldn't be bad at all. Looks like it needs floors and at least one of the turn signal nacelles. Rust is never an LOL matter but as rust goes that one looks not too bad. Only a closer look would tell for sure.

rich@gmu

>>>Surely the phone is ringing in the WH.<<<

no they are #hashtagging it in.

phoning it in and mailing it in required far too much effort

#ourbetters

matt

Ig & TK;

After looking at it I would guess somewhere between $60 - 80K to get it right. Paint & body - $10K-$15K, chrome - $10K, interior - $10K - 15K, Engine - drive train depending upon condition - $10K-$15K. New roof - $10K. Wood - Instruments - $5K.

Having gotten to @ 80% on my old one, the numbers can add up fast.I want to take it to @ 90% but show cars are too darn nice to drive regularly.

Parts for old Jags are not cheap. MBZ actually carries a lot of vintage parts still.

It's a labor of love. I rebuilt my race car and took a serious loss when I sold it, but it was probably the nicest iteration of the model out there.

Old Lurker

Iggy, I need a project and that would be fun...but from the specs I see it is out of warranty so guess I'll have to pass.

DrJ

MBZ actually carries a lot of vintage parts still.

That's a big advantage, actually. For quite some time I drove the classic marketing flop: the Merkur XR4Ti. It was a very good car, but after a while Ford stopped carrying parts for it and no one knew how to work on it anyway. It made keeping it much more difficult.

Now the current Benz has none of these issues.

maryrose

Stephanie: I am interested but need to check flights and Amtrak. If locals can pick me up at the airport or train station I am there.I will need exact dates in November.
Have a great weekend everyone!
JIB: Take care-too many trips to the hospital. You probably still have a bit of jet lag.
Voted for Nixon in 72. Said he would end the war ,my brother in Vietnam came home early from his service in the Air Force. Would have voted for Humphrey in 68 but I was only 18 yrs. old.
Lovely birthday dinner for my oldest who is now thirty yesterday. Where does the time go?

Ignatz Ratzkiwaski

You're talking about restoring it matt.
I'm talking about making it an unrestored survivor driver as a home project.
I figure I could bring it around for $10-15k with most of that going to locating a used interior and top.
Engine parts are actually pretty reasonable on Jag XKs; a mere fraction of old Maserati parts for instance.

rse

maryrose-very easy to get from my house in ATL to either the Medical Center or Brookhaven MARTA stations so not a problem to get you or anyone else to Lake Oconee.

I looked at new SUVs recently, then a few years older, preferred the previous version, and then decided to buy new tires and try to keep the 470 at least another year. It still actually fits the 3 adult children and it's a 16 yo tank.

Will easily hold luggage, me, and 4 more adults headed southwards.

The only problem is that it is primed to keep going to Alabama and Panhandle when it gets south of the airport so we may have to talk nicely to it.

Miss Marple

Jack, Cecil, Thanks for the information on the radar and missiles. That answers one of my questions, anyway.

It is always best to ask questions early so that you don't go off into tin foil conspiracy theories. (There are enough real ones to keep me occupied.)

Beasts of England

Avoid the hassle of restoration, Ig, and bid on the 250 GTO (s/n 3851) in the upcoming Bonhams Quail auction in Monterey. Word on the street is that it's going to be a bargain. No reserve!

rse

I am still reading it, but the Leadership Council and the NAACP have essentially filed a complaint with the UN alleging US to be in violation of UN covenants against race discrimination.

http://www.civilrightsdocs.info/pdf/reports/CERD_Report.pdf

rse

MM-Red and I asked hubby the other night your question as he used to fly air cargo to Canada moonlighting just to fly the cool planes. He said transports do fly at that same altitude in 33 K range.

Miss Marple

OK, would a Ukrainian transport flying within Ukraine get up to that altitude before descending?

Danube on iPad

Seen this? I think the GOPshould run it this fall as "voices of the Democratic party":

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/07/158400-laughable-gag-reel-democrats-claim-border-secure/

narciso

yes, that's the one, thanks hit, that was a pretty busy flight corridor, for one that had been abandoned, wouldn't such a plane, be on a descent trajectory, not at cruising speed.

GMax

Well don't take it from Gmax, he does not know of which he speaks. No, much better to listen to the PAC for Mark Warner:

The Virginia Progress PAC, a Democratic committee supporting Senator Mark Warner, issued a list of talking points for potential donors that laid out the challenge the Obama albatross represents for Democrats this fall: “The 2014 midterm elections are shaping up to be similar to the wave elections of 1994 and 2010, particularly with an unpopular President and an unpopular piece of major legislation that will serve as a referendum on the sitting President. . . . A difficult political climate coupled with the rising unpopularity of President Obama could affect the Democratic brand as a whole and hurt Senator Warner.”
Danube on iPad

Wow. A reality-based PAC.

Eric in Boise

Not saying you're wrong, GMax. I definitely want you to be right.

I think one reason I'm a bit pessimistic going into November is that it's an emotional defense mechanism, of sorts. I remember the bitter disappointment of the last election, and as we know pessimists have a lower chance of being disappointed.

Or to put it another way: Since I had my hopes up last time around, it's tougher to get them up this time around.

Hope that makes sense.

Old Lurker

I agree with Eric "I think one reason I'm a bit pessimistic going into November is that it's an emotional defense mechanism, of sorts. I remember the bitter disappointment of the last election, and as we know pessimists have a lower chance of being disappointed."

Yes, MM, I saw you referred to my mood the other day!

Bori

RSE,

Perusing the NAACP UN complaint is like looking at the Progressive Plank. The usual suspects, Voter ID, Race discrimination, voting for felons, Dream Act, Open borders, etc.

All neatly laid out for anyone to see.

rse

If DOJ were to push what's in that report I just linked all Obamacare transactions from initial registration on MUST now offer opportunities to register to vote.

After that no one should be asked to produce proof of citizenship to vote because that would constitute profiling by ethnicity. It is supposedly enough to rely on the penalties against lying that were explained at the time of affirmation of citizenship when a person initially registered to vote.

Yes, no reason to want a border invasion there or think that a progressive coalition could be in place permanently by 2020 as the New World Foundation has now laid out as the goal.

Captain Hate

filed a complaint with the UN

I'm sure the UN will get right on it since they're doing such a sterling job of ensuring the existence of Ukraine.

GMax

I am still going to say "I told you so." Just wanted to get that on the table right now!

Jack is Back!

"OK, would a Ukrainian transport flying within Ukraine get up to that altitude before descending?"

MM,

The Ukraine is almost the size of Texas land siize. So, yes is the answer to your question.

rse

This is the 3rd group that filed that report. http://www.lawyerscommittee.org/about?id=0003

Got to the end and realized I knew the author.

henry

If the UN messes with our voting laws, the next President should kick them out of New York.

rse

CH-there's a conference in August in Geneva on CERD--the Intl Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination.

Supposedly ratified 20 years ago so this was all created in the 90s Clinton attempt to implement these same atrocious ideas. Losing the House in 94 started slowing those plans down but they never went away. Now back in earnest.

GMax

Latest Rasmussen poll is in favor of sending them all back immediately, 60% to 27%. So more than 2 to 1. Of course 14% asked for the question to be repeated and were stuck for answer.

You gotta hand it to the incompetent one, he got the VA hospitals off the news. Of course this scandal is polling even worse than the last one, but how was he going to know that, Mo and Valjar don't let anyone talk sense to the idiot...

Cecil Turner

OK, would a Ukrainian transport flying within Ukraine get up to that altitude before descending?

If going from one side of the country to the other, probably, but possibly not even then. Most intra-country flights would be too short to make the altitude worthwhile in terms of fuel savings. The exception would be for a lightly loaded turbojet aircraft.

In any event, an AN-26 transport would not be that high, as its service ceiling (per Wiki) is only about 25,000'. But the Ukrainians also operate IL-76s (and a couple TU-154s), which could easily operate at 30,000' or even 40,000'.

But again, a SAM operator looking at a scope would probably not know the altitude except in general terms (in this case, it's right on the border between "medium" and "high") . . . and probably wouldn't care that much anyway. The liner flew just like a big transport . . . because that's what it was.

Bori

rse,

Yep, this year is racial discrimination and next year is Climate Change convention. Glorious.

Beasts of England

Can't we just kick the UN out of New York regardless? I'd rather have the undocumented chirruns in Turtle Bay than those idiots...

Bori

CT,

I was reading that this same flight usually flew far to the South, at least the last 10 times prior it had done so. Which may have added to and caused the confusion.

Threadkiller

If the UN messes with our voting laws, the next President should kick them out of New York.

The GOP could run a "Repeal and Replace" campaign.

Miss Marple

I am still curious about who was on that plane.

I will probably have to wait on the Brit papers to tell us the complete roster.

Captain Hate

rse, that whole thing is permeated with the stench of Clinton.

Jack is Back!

MM,

MH-17 pax list

Not many Americans

Captain Hate

Or to put it another way: Since I had my hopes up last time around, it's tougher to get them up this time around.

Here's the good news: There's no tomato can in this election. Romney ran a TERRIBLE campaign. To show you how bad it was, people saw the documentary about him and said "based on seeing this, I wish I'd have voted for him". These are reasonably intelligent people and the GOPe is afraid that people will start connecting the dots and figure out his campaign was so damn pathetic that nobody even knew the first important thing about him. The reason this isn't being spread far and wide is the brilliant consultants that screwed the pooch hope to be gainfully employed doing the same damn thing in 2016.

Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet

I know the author of that article as well, RSE. As a matter of fact,about 10 years ago, I tried to get him interested in supporting my non-ideological 501(c)(3) Legal Foundation, named after Ben Franklin who was a decidedly non-ideological fellow.

The author declined, but one of his more senior litigation partners -- who incidentally was the smartest lawyer I have ever encountered, and a staunch conservative republican -- became a member of my advisory board. I got the better of that deal.

Captain Hate
daddy

Just in from a tough night in the street pub's in Penang, and the beers are talking, but...

2 quick comments without thinking.

1) It never crossed my mind to expect that a school was expected to teach my kids to read. I considered that enjoyable task to be my duty and my fun, and I could not have been more happy than when it finally clicked for my oldest at a very young age, reading Dr Seuss's "Hop On Pop". I would not have traded the enjoyment of watching that lightbulb come on for my kids for anything. She was lying on her back on my stomach on the couch, with me holding the book up above us and reading to her, when the following page and it's clues clicked, and she went happily berserk on my tummy:

God Bless Dr Seuss!


2) On Chomsky, I have a vague recollection of reading something from him like "Humans have a language organ in order to speak language", and then later, "humans have language because they have a language organ."

I may have misunderstood, but that struck me as a tautology that gave no information at all. Perhaps I am doing him a disservice and should read one of his books, but today I am half way through this new evolutionary book The Improbable Primate: How Water Shaped Human Evolution, and as with Chomsky, I come away from it as having eaten a full meal and paid a big bill but still being hungry and totally unsatiated by the argument of the author who, it strikes me, jumps from minimal facts to maximum conclusion.

I am probably more open to evolutionary arguments than many here, but when I read books like what I linked to above, it strikes me that these guys really are still very much in a guessing game, and once they promote their pet theory they really do become biased in presenting their theory in a favorable light.

As an example, it struck me a long time back, after having read another of these sort of "What Made Us Humans" book, wherein the author said that the reason for the large stone hand axes in early Britain was that the unthinking male humans were making these big hand axes as external proofs of their sexual display to females, like Peacocks large tail feathers. Reading that, (which I believe is the correct link) made me realize that I could come up with my own theory for how humans brains upped themselves a notch, and I recall floating in the swimming pool in Penang when an idea struck me. (I won't go into my theory unless forced however, but it was no stupider than the theory in the book above of Neanderthal humans unconsciously building unwieldy hand axes in order to impress Neanderthal chicks of their reproductive prowess:)

Did I mention that the beer was talking?

Rick B

I'd be interested in seeing a carrier list of those using that flight path. There are different risks involved in knocking down a plane from a NATO country versus a non-NATO country and if the route is primarily used by NATO countries the scale tips slightly towards witting Russian responsibility rather than Josef the Rebel acting on his own.

sbw

Top Men of the GOPe have been crafting what to say to win in November when what they need is to state the facts clearly and winning will take care of itself.

Jack is Back!

Rick B,

Selected airlines fkying over Eastern Ukraine, Most Asian carriers have avoided for sometime but IATA ddn't put restrictions on this skyway and Malaysia kept flying it. Restriction was 32K and under, They were 33K.

Eric in Boise

what they need is to state the facts clearly and winning will take care of itself.

Agree 100%. But why does that seem to be so difficult for them?

Cecil Turner

Restriction was 32K and under, They were 33K.

I read somewhere that they'd requested 35K . . . not that it'd have made any difference.

narciso

This was the segment from last night, that Bloomberg buried in twitter feeds;

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/who-is-responsible-for-missile-attack-on-plane-CJdZbP6ARlCb60Hgl2PsgQ.html

henry

Daddy, in the absence of facts people dream up explanations based on things around them.. Chomsky is in the MIT AI group, where language is a specific subroutine to be programmed*. In that environment, brain = computer program so if a subroutine does it in the program, an organ does it in the brain. That nobody can point to this organ cannot get in the way of Chomsky's model and grant funding.

*that thinking is so 90s. Look at the internet today and all the mash-ups that do things nobody planned or expected and the model for evolution of language becomes a mashup of several different things the brain already did that was useful in avoiding Darwin Awards. No organ (or subroutine) required. Chomsky uses an obsolete technology for his model, and looks just as silly as Freud's use of the steam engine as his model. Bless their hearts. In 10 years the mashup view will look like something the Flintstones would use.

clarice

narciso, I didn't get your email.

rse

Jim-known for being among the most amiable of the partners.

There were some powerhouse intellects there. It was a wonderful place to train for that reason.

daddy

Miss marble,

Re: your airliner questions, anything that Cecil T sez I would take to the bank.

Just for interest, from my understanding of where the jet was shot down, it appears to me that it must have been in Ukraine Centers' ATC system for quite a while, therefore I would have to assume that radar contact and voice comm was probably initiated between the plane and ground based Ukraine ATC, well prior to being destroyed, meaning that in no way was this a "dicked up," "fly by night" operation by the Malaysian 777.

Beasts of England

Thought I'd share a little college football gossip with y'all, since we're within the 50-day kickoff window: Lane Kiffin is being groomed to replace Saint Nick.

Should be fun at the Bama-USC season opener in 2016.

Captain Hate

I didn't get narc's email.

But why does that seem to be so difficult for them?

Because nobody wants to acknowledge that there's an ideological civil war going on within the party.

Captain Hate

The games with the Vols should be must-see. Beasts, I assume that CBS is still running an SEC game of the week, one of the biggest win/wins in recent memory (LOL @ the NBC/Notre Dame contract from Hell).

hit and run

My take wasn't that narc didnt send an email. He was asking if anyone had his email addy, presumably to get him and JiB in contact.

hit and run

*My take wasn't that narc sent an email*

Charlie Martin

Augh.

Daddy, in the absence of facts people dream up explanations based on things around them.. Chomsky is in the MIT AI group,

No he's not. He's in Linguistics. He's not even in Computational Linguistics. I can see how you might be confused because Chomsky's work on grammars is central to computer science theory, but he's not an AI guy. In fact, he's very critical of AI.

where language is a specific subroutine to be programmed*.

No, Chonsky's view is that language is a specific neurological structure and he's very disappointed that people aren't looking for it properly.

In that environment, brain = computer program so if a subroutine does it in the program, an organ does it in the brain.

Okay, that's pretty close, but the brain is the computer hardware, not the computer program.

That nobody can point to this organ cannot get in the way of Chomsky's model and grant funding.

hit and run

Hello pool hall. It's been almost 14 hours since we last saw each other. I've missed you.

Beasts of England

The Vols rivalry used to match our rivalry with Bo Jackson's alma mater, Captain, but it has fallen way behind the LSU rivalry - and for the college-aged kids - even the A&M rivalry. Rocky Top no longer makes us nauseous...

And a big fat LOL to the ND / NBC contract - couldn't happen to two more deserving entities...

Beasts of England

Well, carp, Captain - now I get the Vols reference. Yes. And to think a few years ago we called him Lame Kitten. Now he's our unofficial HC in waiting...

Publius of Idaho

Beasts,

Why would Bama want to do that to themselves? That's so masochistic!

Beasts of England

Well, we endured the Era of Mikes - DuBose, Shula, and It's Rollin' Baby Price - so I guess it's a form of pennance! lol

henry

Thanks Chaco. I 've heard him described as tied into that part of MIT, but didn't check.

narciso

I did send emails, but they were caught in the Tholian Web.

Captain Hate

I used to sing Rocky Top a lot but the extended tantrum they pulled after LK pursued what was obviously known as his dream job put that rooting interest to bed. Especially when I think of what they endured under Fat Phil near the end of his reign. I actually thought Lane did a decent job in his single year there cleaning up the wreckage; definitely superior to his tank job in U$C which must have added to Alice Davis's tortures in Hell.

Maybe I'll eventually cheer for them again but for now Knoxville is locked in an "eff 'em" status.

Jane

Deval Patrick says it is "personal for him" his religion requires he accept 1000 illegals into this state as a favor to Obama. Apparently his faith didn't mind that he lied about knowing for the last month, and it's not personal enough for him to take any of them in to his various mansions. Same with Fauxahontis - both have religions that require the rest of is to pay for their thoughts.

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