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MarkO

El Primero.

MarkO

Let me jump quickly OT and ask something on no one's mind: were any of the rioters white?

Compare and contrast.

Captain Hate

That we never hear what 404 shoots confirms what we've assumed about his prowess on the links. Does anybody think he breaks 100?

NKinLimbo

break 100? without cheating? no chance.

One thing is certain, his golf score is higher than his IQ.

Rick B

MarkO,

If you're refering to the OFA training exercise in Ferguson, it would be unusual to find white progs doing the smash and grab. After all, their specialty is pooping on cop cars and incitement to riot.

narciso

Clearly he is substandard, in his performance, how do we know the Kurds are being supplied, no details are provided,

Our bizarro president, spent the better part of
a year, pounding Quadaffi's forces, as AQ's air force and Canckles so effused over that, but on the primary battlefield of the decade,

miss Marple

I will tell you what I think. I am still on OFA's email list. I am waiting to see when I get a note from Elizabeth Warren, because then I will know Obama gave the email list to her, since I am on no other dem lists.

hit and run

TM:
Stuck In Iraq

Kerry warned this could happen back in 2006.

NKinLimbo

Iraq is a quagmire... A QUAGMIRE I tellya.

hit and run

NK:
break 100? without cheating? no chance.

Play a round consecutive shots without cheating? No chance.

miss Marple

Narciso, Someone had better check with the Kurds to be sure they are getting the arms. Suspicious that they are coming from the CIA instead of the Pentagon.

Bori

NK,

There a was a video in the Mail, of O playing golf. It showed O missing a 3 foot putt by about 1 foot wide to the right.

Danube on iPad

Own goal:

"An Isis commander at a terrorist training camp north of Baghdad accidentally detonated a belt packed with explosives during a demonstration in front of a group militants on Monday, killing himself and 21 nearby trainees."

Dave (in MA)

He needs to spend more time golfing, and less time using his pen and phone.

Neo

Don’t believe your own ears, say Obama administration officials. NBC News White House Correspondent Chris Jansing reported on Monday that the president is not especially concerned about those who are criticizing his approach to the Iraq crisis. The White House is, however, pushing back on the notion that Obama is not doing enough to address what appears to be a nascent threat to the U.S. homeland.

“They say there is nothing in the intelligence that suggests that ISIS is prepared or even as interest in attacking the U.S. homeland,” Jansing revealed.

In a poetic turn of events, this statement was proven not especially well-founded within an hour when CNN reported that an alleged “ISIS sympathizer” had been arrested at JFK airport in New York City.

Thomas Collins

Now I know why Obama is not all that interested in Iraq. No golf courses.

http://www.top100golfcourses.co.uk/htmlsite/country.asp?id=64

Thomas Collins

I guess Homeland Security is now checking on the junior varsity, Neo.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/01/27/going-the-distance-2?currentPage=all

Eric in Boise

"Now listen up, dammit! This is going to be on the final!"

narciso

that part doesn't surprise, Spec Ops would be the most likely deliverer, the memory hole is busy;


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/11/u-s-helped-push-iraq-s-politics-to-a-breaking-point-and-now-is-pushing-maliki-out.html

lyle

Just a light reminder from the 19th century. Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh on the phases of democracy:

From bondage to spiritual faith;

From spiritual faith to great courage;

From courage to liberty;

From liberty to abundance;

From abundance to complacency;

From complacency to apathy;

From apathy to dependence;

From dependence back into bondage.

I figure we're just about a tweener from "apathy to dependence." You?

lyle

Which warmongering Rethuglican said this?

If I were the prime minister of Israel, you’re damn right I would expect to have control over security, because even if I’m dealing with [Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud] Abbas, who is 79 years old, and other members of Fatah, who are enjoying a better lifestyle and making money on all kinds of things, that does not protect Israel from the influx of Hamas or cross-border attacks from anywhere else. With Syria and Iraq, it is all one big threat. So Netanyahu could not do this in good conscience.
AliceH

Nice, lyle.

I'm not sure, though, that there isn't a step missing, e.g.

From apathy to dependence;

From dependence to anarchy;

From anarchy back into bondage.

(A)Nuther Bub

You're an irrepressible optimist, lyle.

lyle

Very astute, AliceH.

Yeah, I'm just a little ray of sunshine, (A)B.

NKinLimbo

Lyle-- who is the quote from?

Cecil Turner (on mini pad)

But at least we pulled our guys out of there . . . or at least most of them . . . for now.

lyle

No guesses, NK?

(A)Nuther Bub

Very smart observation, AliceH.

Captain Hate

I'll guess: Biden?

Beasts of England

After wasting two minutes of my life searching the webz, I found this out about the Commander-in-Cheat's golfing prowess: he claims a 16 hdcp; Golf Magazine estimates a 17 hdcp; and other sources suggest a range of 18 to 22.

The few awful strokes I've seen him flay away at make me think the upper end of those values is probably fair.

lyle

If Captain Foot Club is a 17, then I'm a scratch.

NKinLimbo

BoE-- 20 hdcp on a 'fair test' layout is regularly shooting around 100, no? And considering how much he plays...

Rick B

Optimism was never widespread among the realists of the Scottish Enlightenment. The sophists peddling the French Endarkenment embraced it tightly as they proved AliceH's shorter formulation to be more accurate.

narciso

Obama sees himself through the eyes of the Palestinians, or the Sunni tribesman, not the Israelis or the Kurds and the Shia, He backs
Maliki because they are in agreement on the non intervention, despite the fact that Maliki would be another peddler of pamphlets in Damascus, if it wasn't for said intervention

Captain Hate

Doesn't a handicap of 22 mean shooting 94 on a par 72 course? NFW for King Three Putt.

(A)Nuther Bub

Lyle, I stole your wonderful Tyler quote for my facebook page, but gave you credit for posting it at JOM. Thanks.

Beasts of England

@NK: Without a boring and painful explanation of handicaps versus course ratings and slopes, I'd peg him at about a 90 average.

NKinLimbo

Lyle-- thanks for the link. I know she and Obummer are both stone cold liars, but in my heart of hearts I do believe there is a significantly different worldview between her and Third World racial grievance agitater Obummer.

NKinLimbo

I defer to your expertise BoE, but I find golf very hard, and back when I was playing consistently breaking 90 average was an accomplishment for me. I just refuse to accept that Obummer shoots 90 consistently, no matter how much he plays. Hur-rumph!

Captain Hate

That's like preferring Lenin to Stalin.

Cecil Turner (on mini pad)

Re: Ferguson riot coverage . . .

I hate it when reporters can't tell the difference between an assault rifle and a machine gun, or in this case an APC and a tank.

narciso

And yer she's yammered on about Netanyahu, not stopping settlements, her native Evanston was once a settlement,

the Great Upheaval is very enlightening in portraying the major figureus of the Terror,
they were as insufferably ear as ayers or doehnrn or hayden

Danube on iPad

"So Netanyahu could not do this in good conscience."

What is the antecedent of "this?"

Stephanie

NO way he shoots 90.

His damned ego is going to demand he play from the blue tees (or whatever the color is of the longest tee box at a particular course) and he's gonna mulligan it up, too.

You know.. the kind of obnoxious golfer who takes 5 plus hours to play on a Saturday holding up others behind him with no playing through his foursome, on a course where his is the only foursome from the tees he's got no business teeing from, who therefore should be able to finish in 3 - 3/12 hours except for the retees, 3-4 sand shots per bunker to get out, mulligans, and looking for his balls (heh) ...

More like a 36 - 40. And that's the max allowable.

The tell was the 5 hour round reported Saturday on a flat island course with no other foursomes...

Dave (in MA)

Fred Thompson ‏@fredthompson 8m
NY drunk woman crashes Prius into fire station w/stolen snake around neck. Coincidentally, also only thing covered by Obamacare Bronze #tcot

Captain Hate

I don't know if Winik spotlighted what a creep Marat was or if I got that directly from Schama. All I know is that Charlotte Cordray served as a modern Sarah Palin while Top Men cowered and stabbed his lights out through his psoriasis laden skin and rid the world of the vermin. Hilarious was Simon S's account of how the remaining trash made a public spectacle out of his putrifying flesh in the middle of a heat wave, such that regularly dousing his carcass in cologne didn't stop people from losing their cookies at the stench.

Stephanie

I'll add that with his documented 5 lb dumbbell workout and prowess demonstrated at other sports... he ain't driving the ball over 180, either.

Beasts of England

I knew this was gonna happen. ;)

For handicap purposes, you use your best ten scores from your previous twenty rounds, and that's where the terms average and handicap get confusing. If your mathematical mean of twenty rounds is about 90, you likely had an occasional 86 and perhaps a 95.

For handicapping those two scores, you'd lose the 95 and base the handicap on the 86. For the average, it's 90.5, because the higher score would still be included in the calculation.

Confused? Me, too. I'm awarding BHO an average of 95 because my earlier value of 90 was a handicap-based figure. You got him beat, NK!

Captain Hate

Speaking of golfers taking a long time, there were some great camera shots from behind of Rory waiting for Phil and Ricky to clear out yesterday.

jimmyk on iPad

DoT: What is the antecedent of "this?"

Had to google the quote, but it refers to a withdrawal from the West Bank, whatever that means.

Jane

Re: Obama's golf score. The main thing I recall from golf is that you have to concentrate to score well. And that means concentrating on golf. I doubt very much Obama can concentrate on much besides himself long enough to play well.

Beasts of England

It takes him five hours per round because he has to be late to every tee!!

Thomas Collins

What's all this talk about 95 and 100 golf scores? I have no trouble breaking 50 at any of Pirate's Cove miniature golf courses in Yarmouth!

rse

This is the weirdest day. For the past 17 years, at least one and frequently more, of my kids had to be taken to or picked up from school every single day.

The Diva drove herself this morning after planning a tailgate breakfast in the pkg lot before school.

I started to ask what will I do. Red has suggested I read fiction for 2 days to celebrate.

So not yet an empty nest, but things certainly are different.

Captain Hate

Speaking of speculating on the golf scores of liars, does anybody know how good or bad Slick is? I know you'd never get a straight story from Bent Willie but he is slightly more gregarious than 404 and word did trickle out about how infuriated Jack was at playing with him with his copious mulligans and "forgetful" stroke count.

Stephanie

For handicap purposes, you use your best ten scores from your previous twenty rounds, and that's where the terms average and handicap get confusing. If your mathematical mean of twenty rounds is about 90, you likely had an occasional 86 and perhaps a 95.

Don't forget the course slope for the different tee boxes, either. ;)

I'll never forget the time my handicap plunged into the lower teens. I was proud and bragging til I realized they had posted two of Ks scores as mine plus she doesn't play from the ladies' tees but the men's. Her handicap was a 7 at the time. Fixed and I was back in the low 20s. :(

If King Three Putt ever posted an 86 it was on the putt-putt course...

Stephanie

It takes him five hours per round because he has to be late to every tee!!

LOL. Well played, sir. Well played.

Beasts of England

Bubba had a little bit of a swing. As you noted, his creative scoring system was unrivaled.

'Why don't you improve your lie, Judge Smails.' 'Ah, yes. Winter rules, winter rules.'

narciso

Since there are no quote marks in Upheaval, I would say it is Vinik's own, although both he and Schama, mighr have relied on Hibbert/

Janet - the districts lie fallow, while the Capitol gorges itself

2008 Obama - 51 second video on how hard he is gonna work when he is President

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/166764-obama-vacations-flashback-2008/

Stephanie

Excellent read:

http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/unicorn-governance

When I am discussing the state with my colleagues at Duke, it's not long before I realize that, for them, almost without exception, the State is a unicorn. I come from the Public Choice tradition, which tends to emphasize consequentialist arguments more than natural rights, and so the distinction is particularly important for me. My friends generally dislike politicians, find democracy messy and distasteful, and object to the brutality and coercive excesses of foreign wars, the war on drugs, and the spying of the NSA.

But their solution is, without exception, to expand the power of "the State." That seems literally insane to me—a non sequitur of such monstrous proportions that I had trouble taking it seriously.

Then I realized that they want a kind of unicorn, a State that has the properties, motivations, knowledge, and abilities that they can imagine for it. When I finally realized that we were talking past each other, I felt kind of dumb. Because essentially this very realization—that people who favor expansion of government imagine a State different from the one possible in the physical world—has been a core part of the argument made by classical liberals for at least three hundred years.

jimmyk

I would like to see Hillary's current statements trying to separate herself from Barry lined up against her actual policies and statements during her 4 years as SoS. If only there were professionals around whose job it is to do that sort of thing. My guess is that every single thing Hillary 2014 says would be contradicted by what she said and did pre-2013.

Dave (in MA)

TC, when I was a teenager playing at Paragon Park, I lost strokes because of a dead bird and some melted bubble gum hidden on the other side of hazards on 2 different holes.

Danube on iPad

Thanks jimmy. So was it Hillary?

Thomas Collins

I know this sounds terrible, rse, but I have never have had empty nest trouble now that my three kids are off on their own. Between avoiding doom at work, trying to figure out Plato, solving chess problems, swimming, visiting the kids when they are all in the DC area, dealing with the treadmill (usually without my three piece on, MarkO and Jane), JOMing, and some things better left unsaid in a public forum, I don't find reflection on an empty nest hitting me. Although I enjoy hearing from them about their exploits and reading their musings on middle school teaching (youngest one), articles on political theory (middle one), and reports on uncovered archival material (oldest one), on occasion, as some of you might recall, there are exploits I would just as soon not hear about!

jimmyk

Again??? Fixed?

DrJ

Off.

Captain Hate

Beasts, that's the same innovative scoring system that has him as "wildly popular" when he never got 50% of the presidential vote.

Stephanie

OH, goodie, goodie, goodie!

http://celebrateskynyrd.com/

Gregg Allman will be one of the many featured performers November 12 at the Fox Theatre in Atlanta for this very cool night celebrating the music of Lynyrd Skynyrd. This will be a night to remember!

Weekend of the tentative JOM meetup... which is looking more like a dinner meetup as we only have 6 - 8 interested parties. We could make it dinner and a concert and get our party on!!

Captain Hate

The only time I've had empty nest problems in the last 15 years is when it becomes unempty. I love my Hatettes, coming and especially going.

clarice

Sure, jimmyk. Just as every thing Obama said he was for in 2008 he contradicted once in office.

Captain Hate

Dear God, Steph; I can't unsee that image.

Thomas Collins

Is that retaliation for daddy's sharing his "favorite" pic a few threads back, Stephanie? :-)

Beasts of England

The lineup is interesting, Steph! Maybe I can ride over with my lake neighbor, Jeff Cook!

Dave (in MA)

Insty:

BARACK OBAMA ON PRESIDENTIAL VACATIONS IN 2008: “You have to understand that if you seek that office, then you have to be prepared to give your life to it. Essentially, the bargain that I think every President strikes with the American people is, ‘you give me this office, then in turn my fears, doubts, insecurities, foibles, need for sleep, family life, vacations, leisure, is gone. I am giving myself to you.’”

"Now watch this putt. And this one. And this one."

Stephanie

Revenge is a dish best served in a link.

:)

Dave (in MA)

At least with daddy's new favorite pinup girl, most of the horror was left to the imagination, thankfully.

clarice

here's the video of the BS'er in chief:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsB1iX5T504

Stephanie

Jeff Cook? Awesome!!!

Tickets go on sale in 6 days, beasts. I'm going to try to talk the hubs into going, but he hate crowds and downtown.

I want to go, but I'll probably end up a single.

We could do the JOM dinner on Friday night or Sunday night and do the concert on Saturday night. Or we could do a JOM lunch on Saturday before the concert.

The concert sounds like Crossroads on steroids.

rse

Steph-I can't imagine doing a concert, but it's easy for me to get downtown and I get to park for free there since the state bar took over the old FRB building.

Or we can eat somewhere Buckhead or Perimeter way and I can put you on a train headed downtown. That is what all the teenagers have learned to do.

Beasts of England

Frampton, John Hiatt, (don't tell GUS) Cheap Trick, Warren Haynes - how much are tickets gonna be, or more importantly, how difficult to get?

NKinLimbo

From the Juice Boxer-- can't figure out if this is more pathetic or obnoxious.... why not both! : http://www.vox.com/2014/8/6/5974807/the-deep-irony-of-barack-obamas-presidency-in-one-sentence

jimmyk on iPhone

" Just as every thing Obama said he was for in 2008 he contradicted once in office"

Yep, though Hillary may actually be running for office.

rse

I think it will not feel like an empty nest until Red leaves for college in about 2 weeks.

I am looking forward to having my life back, especially since the Diva is a performing arts kid with lots of lessons at inconvenient locations.

Hubby on the other hand took in a stray baby bird that he found stricken on the ground in the front yard. It quickly got out of the wine box on the sun porch and he and the girls set up limbs and newspapers in their brother's shower that can be completely shut off. Over the course of about 10 days bird tripled in size and they released it last Thursday. Off it flew.

Initially it was nondescript, but as it grew it became recognizably a robin. Red found that amusing. She also thinks it may mean her dad may want a new rescue kitten or something after she leaves.

narciso

you need to ray shield Yglesias ignorance, or infects like bloodworms:

anonamom

No empty nest problems for me either, though it was five years after the youngest headed off to college that I finally realized they were really gone--that the house I lived in (and they had too since their birth) was no longer either's home any more.

I assume a huge part is the continued contact--email, twitter and facebook for the older; the younger still likes to talk with his momma now and then.

I find myself wondering how I did manage to take care of them when they did live home! It went by in a flash. I'd live it all again in a heartbeat, and wish that third baby had materialized, but as rse notes, "getting your life back" is not a bad thing.

I would LOVE for us all to live in the same city, but it's unlikely, so we connect when we can.

Captain Hate

What did you feed the robin fledgling, rse? Are they omnivores because I know they eat worms.

Stephanie

Damn, my brain is frozen today. The concert is on the Wednesday before the potential JOM meetup weekend. Can't find prices for the tickets on the Fox website, just that they go on sale next Monday. Alabama is one of the billed acts, so maybe Jeff could get us some primo tix???

So, beasts, we could do the concert on Wed and meetup with DRJ, RSE and others on Saturday for lunch or dinner. It's only a 3 hour drive over right? :)

RSE, I was thinking somewhere in Butthead for lunch/dinner for the meet up. Lobster Bar or Fish Market or Ruth's Chris - although I'd prefer not to do a chain but something more 'Atlanta' for the out of towners.

Jim Rhoads f/k/a vnjagvet

What Saturday did you guys settle on, Steph?

Marlene

There is a robin's nest behind the garage up at the cabin.The nest held three pretty blue robin's eggs,but on Saturday we noticed one egg is gone and mom is nowhere to be seen. The other two eggs are still in the nest,maybe they didn't fledge?

Stephanie

Open for suggestions on the restaurant, btw. I don't get down that way much anymore - unless it's a special event or Tech game, so I'm not even sure where to eat other than Buckhead Life Group restaurants or Maggiano's.

Old Lurker

Speaking of golf, I do have a serious question about golf/social etiquette, and this is just the place for the answer (I talkin to you JiB, Beasts, Steph et al).

I am a beginner but with a lot of (wasted) training and I go out of my way to keep up and not embarrass my hosts when playing. But I try to avoid high stress settings because I really do suck at the game.

We have friends visiting soon and both guys are serious players, and they humor me and coach me along when we have played in other places.

A dinner guest the other night upon hearing my pals were coming insisted that he host us for a foursome at his gazillion year wait list club here on Nantucket, and the offer was so genuine that I accepted for my pals and myself.

Now...this will be high stress enough for me already but here is the question that is adding to it: How do I properly compensate my host so he doesn't have to bankroll me and my guests for the fees, caddies, etc etc. You see the problem: I don't want to be a crass Rube and I don't want to be a mooch either.

What to do, what to do?

Pray for rain?

rse

Sounds good steph, but restaurant itself MUST have parking. All the Soviet housing going up in the Pharr corridor is designed to have less parking than occupants to encourage walking. Right now the hair salons and other businesses are really screwed as there is no parking for their customers now that construction workers take all the metered parking.

There is a great Italian on the side street around corner from henri's where we can also sit outside if we want. Next door to Bilthouse. It's where my dad in his 80s learned he liked fried carciofi. It has parking as part of its property.

Stephanie

The Saturday of DrJ's arrival for his convention. IIRC it's the weekend of Nov 14, 15, 16.

Be great if some of the southern out of towners could join us, too - hit, anonamom, cindyk, bela1, mom2two... y'all need a trip to the ATL for a JOM meetup and shopping or a visit to the aquarium or something, too, right???

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