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June 03, 2016

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Neo

It was the third of June, another sleepy, dusty Delta day
I was out choppin' cotton and my brother was balin' hay
And at dinner time we stopped and we walked back to the house to eat
And mama hollered at the back door "y'all remember to wipe your feet"
And then she said she got some news this mornin' from Choctaw Ridge
Today Billie Joe MacAllister jumped off the Tallahatchie Bridge

Dave (in MA)

Emmett, Emmett, Emmett. Don't you know if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if you say that kind of okee doke in public, it it it it it it it's a suspension?

Free James D

I will note again. Vox is a "legitimate" news organization. Its founders have been to the Whote House to consult with the President on multiple occasions, and the President is a regular reader of them. They also are the organizers of the journo-list. They have been funded by respectable corporations like GE and others for tens of millions of dollars.

And they are openly calling for violence against private citizens with whom they disagree.

But it is Trump who is the danger, Trump who encourages violence, Trump who is the possible fascist, Trump who threatens the rule of law.

common man

Democrats are really disgusting and grossly unhappy people, now aren't they?

jimmyk

UPDATE: Ezra Klein suspends Emmett Rensin.

Emmett made a Kinsley gaffe--saying what (and lots of Dems) really think.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Anyone think Ezra would have suspended the creep had he not made the news?
Me neither.

Appalled

Ignatz:

Anyone think Ezra would have suspended the creep had he not made the news?
Me neither.

Anyone think this would not make news?

Dave (in MA)

Does ComradeBernie.org take EBT cards?

Buckeye

And they are openly calling for violence against private citizens with whom they disagree.

Sooner or later some libtards are going to get the ass whooping they so richly deserve.

The "protesting" may fly in Silicon Valley, but I can say with a high degree of confidence that flyover country ain't playin' that shit.

Dave (in MA)

One side has eggs and containers of their bodily waste.
The other side has guns.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Had he not said it on Twitter it would not have made news. An internal memo advocating violence would have gotten him canned? No.

Had he couched it in rationalizations as his Voxmate did, rather than an honest, direct and clear call to violence, it would not have made news to the extent he was canned.

Miss Marple 2

Home from garage sale hell. Got really hot after lunch.

Sold quite a bit of stuff. Now to look around for more to take up there for Day 2.

Porchlight

I am hopping mad. A thoughtful conservative (and I mean that) of my acquaintance is not a Trump fan, and has suggested via FB comment that Trump bears some responsibility for the rioting because of the "fighting words Donaldo has been spewing."

Can someone less angry than I am at the moment provide a pithy response as to why responding to *words* with *violence* is unjustifiable by any standard and (I might go there) even anti-American?

Miss Marple 2

http://nypost.com/2016/06/02/clintons-warnings-about-trump-actually-describe-her/

Porchlight

The "protesting" may fly in Silicon Valley, but I can say with a high degree of confidence that flyover country ain't playin' that shit.

They will never try it in flyover country.

Just like the gays never force the Muslim bakers to bake the cakes.

daddy

Good Morning with Good News! My dog walking buddy that got stomped by the moose has recovered her missing dog: Dog scared off during moose attack on women is reunited with owner

Jack is Back!

Neo didn't provide the link but here is the story of Billy Watkins trying to find Bobby Gentry in the bowels of LA.

http://www.sunherald.com/news/state/mississippi/article81311007.html

Great story.

Porchlight

I object to Bobbie Gentry's lyrics. In the Delta, early June is more swampy than dusty. :)

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

--Can someone less angry than I am at the moment provide a pithy response as to why responding to *words* with *violence* is unjustifiable by any standard and (I might go there) even anti-American?--

Is "FU" pithy enough?

Appalled

Iggy:

Twitter is public. What's news is that this is a public call to riot. Somebody's personal e-mail (who does memos anymore?) is not that. Facebook (or a Jorno-list equivalent) is that interesting halfway zone where I'm not sure it would become news, although, given the nature of the readership,it probably should be.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

A little salty language and some hyperbole but lots of good info and graphics;
The Funniest BLS Report Ever

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

My point, which I thought was pretty clear, was that, absent the notoriety, Ezra wouldn't care and would probably think it funny and correct.
Public pressure is why he disapproved, not because he, ya know, actually disapproved.

Porchlight

Is "FU" pithy enough?

Yes, but I want to put together a statement that he'll actually hear and listen to. :) His wife also is taking an IMO unreasonable hardline stance. Beyond them, this conversation is taking place on the page of a friend who has come around from #neverTrump, which is awesome and took some doing. And she tends to reach a larger audience of similar folks.

TLDR - I need a reeeeesonable appeal to their rational side because anything aggressive will just shut them down even further.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Since Dec, 2014 the US has added 455,000 waiters and bartenders and lost 10,000 manufacturing jobs.
Since Dec 2007 we are down 1.5 million manufacturing jobs and up 1.6 million waiters and bartenders.

Let's go hit a Trump supporter.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

I'll take your word for it that a thoughtful person thinks Trump is to blame for actions like the sucker punch in the video in this Powerline link.
Perhaps the video is pithy enough.

AMR

It appears from reports that most, if not all, of the violence is in Democratically controlled cities. Normal right of center or moderate Americans are slow to anger. But if the past is a reference, there is a point where even they will stop being passive. The SCOTUS has ruled that the police have NO constitutional requirement to protect. When the good people see that they are constantly victims of Leftist violence and the police will not protect them, possibly under stand down orders from Democratic operatives, they will start defending themselves and will NOT bring a knife to a gun fight as Obama talked about; they will punch back twice as hard , as Obama also said and apparently condones. And I and others will blame the Democratic operatives and Soros' mob. The Left does NOT want to awaken the beast.

Jack is Back!

Let's go hit a Trump supporter.

Iggy,

How many of those waiters and bartender's names end in a Z?

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Fighting words have a specific meaning and it is not what Trump has said.
Here is the specific doctrine.
Fighting words are not public, political pronouncements that some nutjob uses to attack people who didn't even say the words.
That is a profoundly weird claim from somebody who presumably is one of the twisted-knickers-gang shouting "rule of law! rule of law!" like a flock of feeble-minded parrots.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Flew right over my head, JiB.

Jack is Back!

My PT professional's husband was on jury duty for a murder, execution style by a MS-13 member here the "tony Hamptons". I asked her if her hubby was armed. He is. I suggested that he may want to up his armory a little and think about other forms of protection. They found the guy guilty.

Then the other day we had a mass stabbing and slashing (since I am not a NYC cop, I can use those terms of violence that they can't use anymore) in Hampton Bays by 4 guys who's names all ended in Z. Every week in the police blotter report in the Southampton Press from DUI's to possession to shoplifting to robbery to vehicular homicide all the perp's names end in Z.

Z is to the alphabet of crime lately what 9 is to numerology.

Dave (in MA)

Cripes,

Why not just buy a longer robe?

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

What I don't understand from the twisted-knickers-gang is why Trump can be held to account for what nutjob leftists do because he said "wall" and "muslim" and "Mexican" but there isn't actually much of anything for anyone to apologize for when left, right and center creeps call Trump "Hitler" and "Mussolini" and his supporters everything from "idiot, drug-using, fascist, racist scum who should go die" to "moronic, drug-using, fascist, racist scum who should go die", and everything in between.

If Trump and his followers are so awful why do his critics use language and baseless accusations 100 times more foul than what Trump says and his followers are almost exclusively the ones on the receiving end of the sucker punches and various assaults and batteries and foul name calling?

Here's what I'd tell your friend Porch;
"Keep lying and blaming the victims of the violence, because the more you do the more Trump voters you create. Good on ya."

Dave (in MA)

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky | June 03, 2016 at 04:18 PM
It won't be long before the the economy will consist almost entirely of people who sell coffee to the people who sell them phone plans.

JeanD

Porch,

Maybe you could point out that Trump's supporters have not disrupted any Bernie or Hillary event, nor have they violently clashed with anyone at those events.

So, if Trump is spewing "fighting words" to all of his supporters at rallies, why aren't those people going out to fight? Shouldn't they be jacked up and ready to fight with anyone they disagree with?

sbw

I want to put together a statement that he'll actually hear and listen to.

Ask when one is allowed to switch from fists to dueling pistols?

Then ask their views on the Second Amendment.

When they are against the Second Amendment, which they will be, ask why the double standard for fists?

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Finally, a Final Solution for all those weird Walmart people;
Walmart to Begin Deploying Drones.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Obviously JeanD and SBW are less hopping mad than I am.

Miss Marple 2

Been thinking about things all day as I sold things like half-empty bottles of cologne to people who were thrilled to get a name brand fragrance for 50 cents.

The economy is really bad. What is the most horrible to me with this lying about the unemployment numbers is that people who are out of work are led to believe there are plenty of jobs. So when they can't find one, they think there is something wrong with them. And maybe their spouses and kids do, too, because hey, Obama is on TV telling everyone the economy is just great and there are plenty of jobs.

How many suicides or broken marriages are these lies causing?

sbw

I want to put together a statement that he'll actually hear and listen to.

Option 2: Hahahahahahaha!

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Those suicides and marriages are only occurring in communities which should die anyway so they are a public good, MM.

clarice

Tonto, I keep chasing you ffrom thread to thread to tell you there's nothing from you in my email.

Miss Marple 2

Well, what I would ask is if they put a Bernie sticker on their car, would they be afraid?

Then ask them if they would be afraid if they put a Trump sticker on their car.

Trump supporters get cars keyed, windows broken, and harrassed on the street(if not run off the road).

Bernie voters seem to be ummune.

Why is that? I would ask that question.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

--It won't be long before the the economy will consist almost entirely of people who sell coffee to the people who sell them phone plans....--

...who then spill the coffee on their phones so they need a new phone and a new coffee. Doesn't create any new American jobs but the Chinese guy in the iphone prison and Juan Valdez are happy.
Stimulus!

Miss Marple 2

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/03/nevertrump-leader-ben-howe-mocks-defenseless-woman-attacked-by-mob-at-trump-rally/

Well, I know who I would want on MY side if I got in trouble, and it wouldn't be Ben Howe. What an awful person! As James D., says, DIAF, Howe!

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Because Bernie is Jewish Santa and Trump is Scrooge McHitler; just deserts, unless you get a pie in the face, then it's desserts.

Catsmeat

MM, you are on the front line of this economy and, yes, if people were doing better your business would be doing more poorly. What you see is real and should be attended to by people (I almost said "folks," but POTUS has poisoned this useful term) up and down the lines of power.

Free James D

I will second that, MM.

Except dying in a fire might be too kind a fate for him.

Dave (in MA)

Posted by: Miss Marple 2 | June 03, 2016 at 05:00 PM the Bernie Bros only risk being laughed at by me as I pass their Prius going 30 mph.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

A few numbers and charts in response to Barry's delightful proposal to make SS benefits more generous.
Negative cash flow of almost $1 trillion per year by 2040.
To help Barry out if he's reading, that is only 24 years away.

Miss Marple 2

I am right now listening to a clip from San Jose radio in which otherwise normal sounding people are saying it is Trump's fault because of comments he made back at the start of his campaign. It's really rather frightening.

These are the same type of people who lived right next to Auschwitz and noticed nothing wrong.

Jane

Porch,

I might reply:

It's true that Trump is the king of political correctness - in fact that is the basis for his appeal (or at least that is how it started). Whether you agree or disagree that PC is destroying this country, it's a long swipe to say the lack of PC causes violence.

I may say something that truly pisses you off, but I doubt very much that you are going to burn the American flag and throw eggs at me as a result.

Like BLM, the violence is encouraged (and often paid for) by people like George Soros, and other democrat operatives. The editor of VOX, a liberal news source was "suspended" today for publishing an order that people need to go out and be violent at Trump rallies.

Don't underestimate how much of this is manufactured by the same people who declared that "if you don't vote for Obama, you are a racist."

clarice

Good, Jane.

Miss Marple 2

There are still good people in this world:

http://mentalfloss.com/article/81080/girl-receives-american-girl-doll-prosthetic-match-her-own

Jane

Ah that should be "political incorrectness"

sbw

Well done, Jane. Glad you are on my side. [whatever side that is. ;-)]

Two questions I might consider would be:

1) Who is being violent?
2) What law allows them to be violent?

Janet

Can someone less angry than I am at the moment provide a pithy response as to why responding to *words* with *violence* is unjustifiable by any standard and (I might go there) even anti-American?

Porchlight,
Maybe make them answer questions or explain their reasoning.

Trump bears some responsibility for the rioting because of the "fighting words Donaldo has been spewing."

*If a Dem. politician says something I disagree with, is it okay for me to go beat up a Dem. voter or Dem rally attendee?

*What thoughts or ideas will this new standard apply to?

*Are Americans ALLOWED to desire a secured border?

buccaneer morgan

Yes the somelives matter were the dream defenders organized via the crump/Julian axis.

cheerleader

Porchlight,

Ask your acquaintance for a list of quotations, say five in number, in their full context, that justify violent attacks.

Jane

I read somewhere today that Mooch gave a graduation speech where she said she was horrified that she woke up every day in a house built by slaves.

Words escape me...

Captain Hate

Per clarice's article, does that mean we don't have to argue about the existence of a GOPe any more?

Miss Marple 2

Well, on Twitter many of the gang members involved in the San Jose attacks are BRAGGING on Twitter and posting pictures and are sorry people missed where they "dropped that (redacted)."

They ought to be hunted down and arrested by the San jose police, but apparently not.

buccaneer morgan

just like the little brouhaha, outside the washington hotel.


http://gotnews.com/fraud-anti-trump-vet-busted-working-george-soros/

lyle

Welp, Mooch, that makes both of us who'll be ecstatic when you leave it. [redacted] [redacted]

buccaneer morgan

it's the argot speaking again,

https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/johnson-on-snowden?utm_term=.jjX6yZjzD#.ebw7vW3A5

who knows wjat throckmorton will say,

buccaneer morgan

poorly timed piece,

http://freebeacon.com/columns/why-republicans-should-be-worried/

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Couldn't find that Jane but I did find this from some bone brained commencement speech she gave;

"I have seen how places that stifle the voices and dismiss the potential of the citizens are diminished, how they are less vital, less hopeful, less free. Graduates, that is not who we are. We don’t build up walls to keep people out because we know that our greatness has always depended on contributions from people who were born elsewhere, but sought out this country and made it their home.”

I suspect Trump is gaining speed because the rest of us know letting in floods of illegals, not building a wall, is what diminishes our citizens.

I don't know about her, but a giant, stupid, offensive wooky is not who I am.

Captain Hate

Is anybody else having a problem getting a comment box every time you refresh?

http://www.weaselzippers.us/275088-mooch-whines-about-living-in-white-house-i-wake-up-each-day-in-house-built-by-slaves/

Miss Marple 2

Captain Hate,

Yes, I am having trouble with the comment box disappearing, too. Seems like it's there for a while, then disappears. Then I have to refresh several times before it's back.

Porchlight

Thanks, everyone!

So the response was "there's no excuse for Trump's inflammatory rhetoric [which includes him saying months ago to go after protestors] and there's no excuse for violence against innocent people attending the rallies." Paraphrased.

But that's an equivalency argument, right? Violence should be denounced without any qualifications at all. It shouldn't matter what a person said at all.

henry

Intermittent comment box as well for the past 3 days.

DrJ

Is anybody else having a problem getting a comment box every time you refresh?

Yes. I was about to ask the same question.

sbw

The problem may not be the comment box but that it is hanging up waiting for an advertisement to load. My load stopped dead in the water and, after a minute, I Force Quit the browser and restarted without ads temporarily.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Mine has been disappearing for five or six days when I refresh once. I just refresh again and it pops back up.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

That wasn't my response, but I doubt you wanted to use mine. :)

cheerleader

Porchlight,

reject the premise and don't accept wish washy generalities. Ask what it was that Mr. specifically said that incited violence. Make the person work.

lyle

Same here but I just thought it was Typhuspad hinting to me that I need to stop commenting so much...

cheerleader

Mr. Trump

cheerleader

sbw, I have adblocker and it's happening to me.

lyle

Good lord. Click over to Powerline and read Hayward's top post where MSNBC trots out six of their guest commentators on the right who they claim as "conservative," thus showing the channel's "balance." Puke.

Beasts of England

Credit where credit's due: NR editors made a solid and unequivocal case against the Trump rioters. You may want to check that out, Porch - it's was at the top of their website a few minutes ago...

buccaneer morgan

this was the link, that rubin missed, perhaps while greenlighting the next egyptian sand epic,

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/04/daily-chart-14

buccaneer morgan

so varsity and jayvee competitions,

http://www.criticalthreats.org/al-qaeda/estelle-synder-aqim-isis-algeria-competing-campaigns-june-2-2016

buccaneer morgan

there is nowhere safe,


http://translatingcuba.com/on-the-trail-of-the-minint-papers-juan-juan-almeida/

geezer

Could it be the battleground is being shaped for the second Pachuco riots?
Been 73 years since the first.

Jane

Porch,

Don't make them work unless the goal is to completely alienate them to trump and you.

Beasts of England

A dreadful Labor Participation Rate of 62.8% skews the Beacon's claim of 'nearing full employment' right out the darned window, narciso. It would be funny if it weren't so dire.

Porchlight

That's what I think too, Jane. Keeping it to more neutral First Amendment grounds.

buccaneer morgan

continetti's a nice guy, but it seems he misses the forest for the trees sometimes,

now lou pointed out some of curiel's bonafides, whereas newt was the voice of moderation, it's a strange strange land,

JMHanes

Sorry for the length. If I had more time I'd have tried to condense this.

The one thing that Trump desperately needs is surrogates. Hillary has got surrogates pounding on Trump everywhere. We get the Democratic mayor of San Jose out front blaming Trump for the violence at his rally. Where's the Republicans' headline grabbing exposé of who’s really to blame? Without high profile pushback, it's Trump who ends up associated with violence in peoples’ minds, regardless of who the attackers are and who the victims. It’s totally unfair, but it’s really hard to fight the where-Trump-goes-violence-follows dynamic, without your own attack dogs, defenders and proselytizers speaking out.

That’s why I think it was dumb of Trump to go after Susanna Martinez. Even if “she started it,” he was the one with the most to lose in that scuffle. As George Will put it:

"[Trump] has a problem with women, Hispanics, and Republicans, so he attacks a Republican Hispanic woman governor."
.... who also happens to chair the Republican Governors' Association. In other words, she could be -- or could have been -- an incredibly useful surrogate. Apparently, Trump has had second thoughts about it himself. It would be a lot easier if he hadn’t flayed her in public. Even if he persuades her to endorse him, now, won’t people just wonder what kind of "deal" it took to buy her off?

I also don’t see how Trump can sustain playing both good cop and bad cop (a la Martinez) much longer, and I think his one man show will exhaust him once we get into the general election with Hillary surrogates bombarding him from all sides. I personally don’t think there will be enough hours in the day for him to fight off the attacks on his own. And if he tries, I think Trump fatigue will quickly set in -- especially with the legions who can't stand Rodney Dangerfield.

The surrogate scarcity is important in re Jane’s comments last night too. Assuming “Hitler” as a stand-in for “scary,” her main point as I understand it, was that no one really knows what Trump will do as President and that’s a scary proposition. I think it’s hard to argue that that perception is not turning into a serious problem. Trump doesn’t have to win over the #neverhillary camp, that’s just a logistical, gotv, matter. Making the case AGAINST Hillary is clearly not enough, if it leaves even Tom Maguire unpersuaded. If people aren’t really hearing the case FOR Trump, despite the fact that he has captured more media attention than any candidate in history, then he’s obviously doing something wrong.

Every time Trump reverses himself or backs away from one of his previous positions or assertions, it may look like a brilliant negotiating strategy to his fans. Unfortunately, to almost everyone else, it looks more like inconsistency, vacillation, or what we used to call waffling, (and we saw what that did to John Kerry’s campaign). That’s precisely the nerve Clinton was aiming for in her ‘National Security’ speech. That’s why she pounded out these lines word by punctuated word:

Donald Trump’s ideas aren’t just different – they are dangerously incoherent. They’re not even really ideas – just a series of bizarre rants, personal feuds, and outright lies.

He is not just unprepared – he is temperamentally unfit to hold an office that requires knowledge, stability and immense responsibility.

This is not someone who should ever have the nuclear codes – because it’s not hard to imagine Donald Trump leading us into a war just because somebody got under his very thin skin.

That may well ring true to folks who only know Trump from news clips. If you want a preview of the Clinton game plan, it’s worth reading the whole thing. People really don’t want to feel like everything is negotiable. Shoot, it seems like just yesterday that RINOs were tarred for that attitude mercilessly, right here on JOM. People want what passes for clarity and consistency, perhaps from the President most of all.

So, if Trump doesn’t have a memorable, itemized list of what he wants to do in office, he needs to put one together now. If he wants to keep on keepin’ on his soundbite campaign, then he's absolutely got to have a bunch of high profile surrogates out there simultaneously selling the hell out of Plan Trump for him. I hope he's smart enought to see how useful someone like Paul Ryan, among others, could actually be to his campaign. I hope folks here can see that too. If you want to eliminate the "scary" factor, it's important that non-scary folks are prominently in evidence supporting him and his plan to MAGA.

henry

Somebody is pissing off a judge. Not the marmoset topped one this time -- but no escape from deposition unless the judge sees the immunity deal.

buccaneer morgan

perhaps, and katrina pierson, bless her heart, sometimes is not the most informed, whereas scottie nelson hughes, well she's been on my carp list for a while,

buccaneer morgan

I noted this last night,


http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/wall-street-2016-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-213931

Jane

Henry,

Ya gotta love Judicial Watch.

buccaneer morgan

ah norman, yes he went into a positronic loop,

http://therightscoop.com/obama-says-the-bible-supports-his-transgender-edict/

Miss Marple 2

Mark Cuban is on O'Reilly (guest host Eric ).

I have never listened to this guy before. His voice sounds like he's around 19. He wants "why" on a lot of the issues.

Ha! Eric asks him where he is on immigration. "Sigh. It's hard."

"If there were jobs then we wouldn't be talking about immigration."

Boy, he still doesn't know who would be better for America.

This is a really revealing interview.

buccaneer morgan

the geraldo of tech, I know he's not latino just annoying,

Miss Marple 2

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3622557/Foggy-Bottom-shakedown-Hillary-lines-slew-fundraisers-hosted-former-ambassadors-career-diplomats-State-advisors-fuel-money-haul-endless-primary-campaign-against-Trump.html

Many of these people are political appointees. The rest are probably trying to avoid prosecution.

Skoot

Politico: "The new battle over Pagliano's immunity agreement and its potential public disclosure is an unhelpful development for Clinton's presidential campaign"

Oh dear, unhelpful. Mexican judge?

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

If there weren't illegal immigration there would be jobs.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

The 15 Greatest Films of All Time According to 358 Directors.
About as esoterically bad as you'd expect from a bunch of modern, hack directors.

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