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November 14, 2016

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sbw

The NY TImes cannot rededicate itself to an honesty that never existed before.

#FreeTheDurantyPulitzer

Buford Gooch

sbw, Exactly!

Sue

Have they told us yet what they dishonestly reported while Obama was president?

Old Lurker

I posted this on the other thread, but I should have added the second paragraph:

"It is just too hard for me to accept that the Clinton family can have (pick a number) $350 million in wealth plus personal control of so much tax free foundation money for charitable uses like jets and weddings when the only conceivable product they had to sell was access to the US Government files and personel and its treasury. How that can be allowed to go unaddressed is beyond me in a country predicated on blind justice and the rule of law."

In addition, Trump promised us an investigation of the investigation because as it stands most of us think the process, either at the FBI or the DOJ, or both was completely bogus and designed to whitewash what I think were serious crimes. I thought it ironic that just last week Comey indicated the FBI had reviewed some huge number of emails (650,000???) in a couple of days, while that very week the State Department asked for an additional FIVE YEARS to properly review a tiny number of emails before they could be released.

Laugh Test, anyone?

Se what we have at this moment is what appears to be a RICO Crime Family which was allowed to amass a genuine fortune probably through illegal means, and they did so under cover of the head of the FBI and AG.

amiright?

Dave (in MA)

Slim's chimps aren't any better at reading comprehension than they are at writing.

the generalisticly deplorable rich

from the other thread:

>>>If the president issues a pardon, does he need to specify what offense is being pardoned?

Posted by: PD | November 14, 2016 at 09:06 AM<<<

this is the relevant portion of the Nixon pardon:

>>>NOW, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.<<<

I think Obama could pardon Hillary for most of what she did as Secretary of State but it wouldn't shield her as a principal of the Clinton Foundation or the Clinton Foundation as an entity.

common man

Sue

Everything. Included but not limited to commas, question marks and other punctuation.

Thoroughly in the tank. End of story.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

I think he means they're going back to that good old fashioned NYT honesty.... like Walter Duranty.

henry

The Times, Reporting without Fear or Favor, or Subscribers. fify

Old Lurker

Gmax, you forgot to list the blank areas of the pages like the headers, footers and side margins.

common man

And given their history, why exactly would I believe that the NYT is capable of reporting truthfully what Trump said, even absent the discussion of tone, inflection and context. They put editorial opinion on the front page as if it was news...

Cecil Turner

Now that they got their new integrity implant, will they be able to play the piano? (Yeah, who cares?)

You gotta wonder how long this failing institution will be accepted as the newspaper of record. Until nobody reads it?

Dave (in MA)

Overflowing urinal in the men's room on my floor at work. I guess a sad Hillary voter forgot to not flush one of his tampons.

sbw

Okay. I confess. After Obama was elected, he so diminished the office that in editorials I found it impossible to capitalize the “P” as is the style for the chief executive of the country — “the President”. He never earned the accolade.

He was always “Barack Obama” or “the president”.

I look forward to returning to proper style.

Porchlight

Good morning from San Diego! We came out on Friday for a family wedding - have been mostly out of pocket.

Dem family members have been remarkably well behaved. They know they got beat fair and square.

Sue

I nominate SBW as editor of NYTs.

Another Bob

Rich, Zippy can pardon for any and all federal offenses committed at any time. Not limited to duration of her SOS employment. Presidential pardon power is effectively unlimited. The crime of destruction of evidence that was under a federal subpoena occurred after her SOS tenure but she can still receive a pardon for that.

To the degree the CF and CGI were operating under state laws, Zippy has no reach. Except, I think, if there was a condition attached to the pardon that full disclosure was required. IANAL so I don't know if such conditions can be attached, but if so, I imagine that might make for some real problems in any state prosecution.

Porchlight

Trump campaign guy on The_Donald is hinting at Laura Ingraham for press secretary. Pretty good choice IMO.

Sue

Is there a place to find the popular vote totals?

 Momto2

Concerning whether to prosecute HRC comes down to this basic quote by Thomas Jefferson:

"In matters of principle, stand like a rock: in matters of taste, swim with the current."

It seems some think we should swim with the current no matter what!

the generalisticly deplorable rich

given how wrong I have been in my predictions, my bold prediction now is that Obama won't give her a pardon and that the FBI and Justice won't pursue the email matter further. The Clinton Foundation is a separate matter and I'd lean towards the whole mess being pinned on Cheryl Mills and Huma Abedin.

deus volt buccaneer morgan

fisher was a fool at bezos, then vox, (that's redundant, so naturally he finds a home at carlos slims,

http://www.newsbusters.org/people-organizations/max-fisher

the generalisticly deplorable rich

Sue-

not sure when his most recent update was but here is a good source:

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/data.php?year=2016&datatype=national&def=1&f=0&off=0&elect=0

hrtshpdbox

Hi, folks, I was just looking at state-by-state US Senate races, and I thought the following interesting enough to observe.
- In Alaska, who won the 2010 Republican primary against incumbent Lisa Murkowski, only to lose the election to Murkowski write-in votes, tried again this time as a Libertarian and lost to Murkowski again. The Democrat got 11% and finished fourth behind an independent.
- In Louisiana none of the 22 entrants got the necessary 50% of the vote, and the run-off is next month. The vote leader, with 25%, is named John Kennedy, and he's a Republican. David Duke, also listed as a Republican, came in seventh with 3% of the vote.
- Kelly Ayotte lost by less than 750 votes out of more than 700,000 cast. Even though I think she'd be a good pick, I can't see the Secretary of Defense not being Mike Flynn.
- In New York, based on their relative performances (where Trump got 10% more of the vote than Republican Senate candidate Wendy Long), it looks like around 800,000 people voted Donald Trump/Chuck Schumer.

JM Hanes

Gerald Ford's sweeping pardon set an unfortunate precedent. It wan't really a pardon, which presupposes a crime, at all. It was a grant of immunity from prosecution.

There's one salient difference here, of course, because Gerald Ford was the incoming president, pardoning a former president. I think Obama is looking at a rock and hard place, too. How is granting the SoS on his own watch, and his own party's failed candidate, such carte blanche immunity going to look in the history books? He can pardon Clinton on his way out of office, but he can't pardon himself. Could he craft a very narrow pardon, to save his own potentially at risk bacon in Hillary's or his own email scams (and I think he was running a huge email/cell phone scraping operation, among others, out of the White House)? Might be better just to leave well enough alone, concentrate on wiping his own fingerprints off the woodwork before he departs, dump the whole messy business, and the blame, on his successor. Trump is the new Bush!

What a difference a Republican head of the Executive Branch can make, when it comes to cooperating with Congressional oversight committees too. And in return those committees can be very useful in helping the new Prez drain the bureaucratic swamp. I suspect there are shredders in high gear all over town, not just the White House. Those would be metaphorical shredders these days, I suppose, or should we say bleachers?

Captain Hate

Trump campaign guy on The_Donald is hinting at Laura Ingraham for press secretary. Pretty good choice IMO.

She won't be shy about calling people out for misleading reporting.

deus volt buccaneer morgan

there were one more independents, up daddy's way,
the husband of thomas's latest accuser, who seemed to be vapor ware, he was the sacrificial lamb, drew 11%,

Sue

Rich,

Thanks. On a funny note, that site has Clinton in red and Trump in blue.

Sue

Is something going on in Michigan? And New Hampshire? Why aren't they calling them?

hrtshpdbox

He can pardon Clinton on his way out of office, but he can't pardon himself.

I think he probably can, but it would look awful.

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2016/11/03/can-a-president-self-pardon/

deus volt buccaneer morgan

that's the way it was before 2000,

the generalisticly deplorable rich

I'm thinking real shredders too JM Hanes ... you can shred computer, hard drives, and cell phones ... whatever you really.


(actually all the way up to F14s ... someone built one big enough to do so)

Janet

Is there a place to find the popular vote totals?

I keep going back to this NYTimes link.

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president

Michigan & NH are still outstanding.

They list for popular vote -

61,025,511 votes (47.8%)Hillary
60,349,155 votes (47.3%)Trump

Again...not counting Michigan or NH.

the generalisticly deplorable rich

Sue-

my guess is that the margin was close enough in both states for automatic hand recounts.

deus volt buccaneer morgan

I think bezos has made the paper worse, which I didn't think was possible,

https://twitter.com/TheFix/status/798204077729599488

deus volt buccaneer morgan

I told you the mindstone is dangerous,

https://twitter.com/joss/status/798090898324103168

the generalisticly deplorable rich

I vaguely remember something about accepting the results of the election and all that.

No Longer Operative.

deus volt buccaneer morgan

nothing to see here,

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/11/10/2-investigators-suspicious-man-caught-at-water-plant-released-then-vanishes/

JM Hanes

Sue & rich:

A recount is what we're waiting for in the NC governor's race. IIRC, results are expected on November 18th (Friday). Hopefully we'll get the Michigan numbers within a similar time frame.

JM Hanes

hrtshpdbox:

"I think he probably can, but it would look awful."

Alas, you're probably right.


rich:

"(actually all the way up to F14s ... someone built one big enough to do so)"

Now that I'd like to see!

the generalisticly deplorable rich

various clips of it are on youtube JM Hanes. The F14s in storage were shredded to prevent parts from going to Iran. Seemed like a waste.

You can buy electronics shredders that will turn your electronic devices into confetti.

the generalisticly deplorable rich

now that I think about it, it would have been better to send Iran pallets of F14 parts rather than pallets of cash and gold.

 Momto2

Pictures worth thousands of words:

Behold ~ The Portland protestors

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/11/mugshots_ids_released_of_25_ar.html

Janet

Here's another thing that gets me in our lousy MFM - http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/clay-waters/2016/11/13/dictators-and-double-standards-nyt-celebrates-protesters-refusal

The NYT writing about the anti-Trump riots....

"They were transgender people, the children of immigrants, and parents toting infants on their back."

REALLY?? I've looked at lots of pictures of the riots in blue hell holes & I don't see MANY pictures of parents toting infants or men dressed as women.
There might be one or 2, but to describe the crowds as THAT is pure wishful thinking.
And how did the NYT writer know WHO the parents were of the people rioting?

It is ALL such a load of bull crap.

Sue

Thanks JMH.

henry

Snowflakes having a sitin... in Schumer's office.

Lefties.

common man

How exactly would they know if the people were transgendered? Answer, they would not...

Fresh Air, deplorably

I've seen the so-called protestors up close in Chicago.

They are all college-aged, mostly white people. They were bused in, evidently from Wisconsin (got to guess Madison). I suppose the Chicago goons are too expensive and only work for union scale.

Anyway, I saw them loitering around downtown in groups on Saturday for over three hours, literally awaiting instructions from HQ as to where to march and stir shit up. Seriously, they were staring into their phones awaiting directives. Creamer's Clowns also left a crapload of garbage in their wake (natch).

Spontaneous? Organic? Comically bad astroturf job by the usual Commie-supported groups.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

hrtdhpbox,

Flynn cannot be SOD. He hasn't been out of the military for 7 years, which is what's required by statute.

Jack is Back!

rse,

How say yee?

Michelle MalkinVerified account
‏@michellemalkin
Trump Dept of Education needs experienced & expert leader who won't get rolled. Bill Evers, heading ed transition, is BEST choice for Sec'y.

windansea

Shot:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/11/13/breitbart-reveling-trumps-election-gains-voice-white-house/

Chaser:

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jimmyk

Reposted, I meant to post it on this thread:


Wait, I thought the NYT had rededicated itself to truth.

Those who consider Mr. Trump, who has vilified the news media, a threat to the free press view Mr. Bannon’s appointment as more cause for alarm. Critics say Breitbart now has the potential to play an unprecedented role in a modern presidency, as a weaponized media adjunct for the White House.

"Unprecedented"? Is that defined "As has occurred under every Democrat administration of the last 50 years"?

jimmyk

A recount is what we're waiting for in the NC governor's race.

I keep hearing that there are lots of votes still to be counted in CA.

Also, are the rumors true that some states don't bother counting some absentee/military votes if they won't affect the outcome? That would make the PV even more meaningless (if something can be more than completely meaningless).

Threadkiller

You talking about the Williamson article TK

No. It was the John Fund article, Cecil.

hrtshpdbox

He hasn't been out of the military for 7 years, which is what's required by statute.

The last I saw on it said there's a waiver available, Miss M, though CNN can certainly be wrong. Flynn is the perfect fit for Trump re: Syria.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/opinions/trumps-national-security-guru-general-flynn-bergen/

DebinNC

Where's the sense in their protesting in cities BOzo and Hillary carried - blue cities in blue states? Are they afraid of red-staters with guns or think there's a Bull Connor on every corner hoping they'll make his day?

rse

Bill Evers coordinated the faux Common Core false narrative back in 2011 that was largely removed from the Internet after my book came out. It was called Closing the Door on Innovation. I heard him speak in 2013 and did not understand why he was so factually uninformed about the Common Core.

He has 3 different degrees from Stanford all in political science. He is the candidate all the people pushing a false story are very keen on and he wrote a paper for Pioneer on federalism that was crap. It was a fictional version of how ed works.

He also testified in OC in the next round of hearings after me and was not the least bit forthcoming about what standards-based reforms really mean. He simply hyped the state-led narrative on standards without bothering to correct the misapprehension that standards are about academics instead of standards being about goals for the student's desired behaviors.

I am very glad trump won, but education is how you control culture and the prevailing consciousness whoever is in the White House. With ESSA finally in place, all the coordinating think tanks are determined to make sure only loyalists are being hyped to run fed ED.

Jack is Back!

Just in time for those politically divisive Thanksgivings.

henry

Deb, If they trampled Peoria, would anyone notice?

rse

By the way, I had not heard of that 2011 paper until about 6 weeks ago when I was mulling over the continued false narratives and who pushed them and whose payroll they were on or had been in the past. Out came references to that paper and then my discovery it was largely gone except on blog sites that had copied it in its entirety instead of linking to it.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Jack,

I dread this Thanksgiving. I mean DREAD it.

I am tempted to just drop off the mashed potatoes, plead some sort of illness, and go home.

DebinNC

But don't Dem voters in Portland care about paying for cleanup and overtime for cops?

maryrose

No other cities will allow this kind of anarchy.

Jack is Back!

The mainstream media is doing as much as Soros and his auto bots to forment and direct these riots. Yellow journalism is not dead.

DebinNC

I bet most voters in WI aren't watching and thinking, "Boy, I miss those days."

lurkersusie

I don't think so

The Hill
The Hill – Verified account ‏@thehill

Obama to spend more time teaching President-elect Trump the job: report http://hill.cm/tjisRFT

maryrose

Notice how in Missouri a Republican was elected governor.
People got upset about these protesters ruining their cities.
Thank God my nieces are out of St Louis now in advanced career programs.

maryrose

They will not diminish our victory.
It is not our fault they can't get out of the denial, anger phase.

Stephanie

Milo for press secretary!!!!!

it would take awhile to clean all the green goo out of prog strongholds, but still...

a gal can wish.

movie reference ftw!!!

Jack is Back!

So, lurkersusie, The Donald is going to do a reverse Celebrity Apprentice:) Obama is truly one delusional egotist if he thinks he is going to put Trump in a training mode. What a doofus.

lyle

Obama to spend more time teaching President-elect Trump the job: report

Huh. So Trump needs help finding ESPN channels on the WH tee vee or filling out NCAA b-ball brackets? Or the best place to slip out and fire up a Kool?

clarice b. for Brainiac

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3934920/Meet-man-leading-Calexit-charge-pull-California-union-Republican-New-York-spent-election-night-MOSCOW-planning-embassy.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus#ixzz4Q0HzspK2

common man

We are getting the old Okie Doke on this training nonsense.

There are plenty of veterans of W presidency, of HW Bush presidency and even Reagan presidency to call on for any finer points.

clarice b. for Brainiac

https://spectator.org/the-ruse-trumps-latest-opportunity-in-the-face-of-hired-rioters/?utm_source=American+Spectator+Emails&utm_campaign=32a94ddc25-

lyle

Go for it, California! Build a wall, even! [redacted]

centralcal

I am blessed - everyone in the family is Republican except one daughter. All of them that can vote, voted for Trump. Will be a happy and celebratory Thanksgiving!

lyle

There are plenty of veterans of W presidency, of HW Bush presidency and even Reagan presidency to call on

Um...one is not like the other two.

daddy

Kevin Williamson is still on my list of people whom I hope to see eating from a trash can.
Posted by: Miss Marple the Deplorable

Sometimes I love catch-up:)

Bravo, Miss M, bravo!

Captain Hate

Again, if Zippy wanted to end his eight disasterous years on a slightly above low note, he'd travel to the cities where they're having riots and clear out the paid protesters.

centralcal

Gwen Ifill passed away? Per Twitter.

lyle

Speaking of families, my wife's niece voted CD. Okay, no big deal. But here's the big deal: the niece--an otherwise sensible young woman--keeps telling her, ahem, 5 year old son that Trump is a bad, evil man. We think she's getting this crap meme from her Catholic church. Is that possible?

daddy

Dems weren't such fans of the popular vote when it was about redefining marriage.

Janet,

Dennis Prager's opinion, in a similar fashion as I am sure you know, is that if simply the majority of votes now runs everything, then there is no use for a Supreme Court in America. Whatever the majority says ought to apply, so lets eliminate the Judiciary along with the Electoral College.

DebinNC

I dread this Thanksgiving. I mean DREAD it.

You shouldn't have to dread it. We have a "no politics" rule at extended family gatherings that has never been mentioned. It evolved over several years when the SW GA contingent's repeated praising of Jimmy Carter, whose home in Plains is/was near theirs, was met with stunned, but polite silence. They eventually got the message.

Captain Hate

Tammy on Priebus and Bannon:

http://tammybruce.com/2016/11/trump-to-name-priebus-chief-of-staff-bannon-senior-counselor.html

clarice b. for Brainiac

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-emerging-republican-supermajority-1479148936?mod=djemBestOfTheWeb

centralcal

RIP Gwen Ifill - aged 61 (cancer said to be cause of death)

Buckeye

Just in time for those politically divisive Thanksgivings.

Mine will be with my 3 sister's families.

One closest to me in age has 3 kids. Her husband and the 2 girls are libtards, but she and her son (ex Army) are "normal" (all relative in my family:))

Next closest has 2 sons. Her and hubby are Trump supporters and I think the boys are too.

Youngest sister is married to a redneck physician who was Trump all the way, but she voted for Johnson because she thinks Trump is a sexist. Don't know about their children.

Little sis takes after our mom who was a real feminist for all the right reasons. For her it was only about equal treatment and equal opportunity.

I'm sure there will be enough wine flowing to create a more social atmosphere:)

lurkersusie

Lyle,

We think she's getting this crap meme from her Catholic church,

I don't think so. Abortion is a big issue. Especially
after Hilllary insinuated that a baby could be
aborted right up until birth.

common man

Catholics voted for Trump in a majority. Not to say an individual priest is not off the reservation, but we had some sisters from the Little Sister of the Poor from Mobile in looking for donations this weekend. They were not crowing about it, but quietly admitted they were quite relieved by the election results. The Zero administration had them under assault for their firmly held religious beliefs...

maryrose

All republican except the hosts for Thanksgiving who are Independents.
We will talk in small groups with like minded brothers and sisters.
Don't know how the nieces and nephews will have voted but love and accept them as family.
We won so we can afford to be magnanimous.
MM:
If heat gets too hot in the kitchen , take a walk.

lyle

Thanks, ls.

I still think yammering on about Trump to a 5 year old is borderline child abuse.

clarice b. for Brainiac

Actually, Lyle, it may be that Catholics elected Trump.http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2016/11/catholics-elected-trump.html?spref=tw

rse

lyle-yes it actually is. There is a social justice push throughout all the major religions pushing towards a convergence. Where a particular church is depend on the clergy there, but I have had something come across in just the last week that left me appalled. We had an offline discussion about how painful it was to read.

It also may be impacted by how involved the church is with immigration groups and resettlement.

DebinNC

If Dems had picked up 30 seats this time, they promised to repeal the Hyde Amendment and end the ban on federal funding of abortions. I can see that motivating more Catholics than usual to vote R.

clarice b. for Brainiac


Tom Lipscomb
11 mins ·
TOMORROW MIDNIGHT IS THE FATAL HOUR FOR THE CLINTON FOUNDATION.
It is the deadline for its absolute LAST ALLOWABLE revised financial filing, complete with audit endorsement.
If they cannot do it, in the opinion of Charles K. Ortel, then their donors, such as the Gates and Rockefeller Foundations et al. will have to defend their own charters by revoking and trying to recover their funds, since they were clearly taken under false pretenses.
And the end BEGINS.............

daddy

Keeping hate alive!

Jonah Goldberg: “He’s (Trump) a more plausible candidate than, say, Honey Boo Boo, but that’s mostly because of constitutional age limits.”

From this Clarice link 2 threads back.

I think Jonah might be on an NRO cruise even as I type. Wonder how that's going?

It strikes me that NRO ought to have an online Poll---
Which 3 NRO contributors ought to be praised, and which 3 NRO contributors ought to have to lick the NRO toilets clean with their tongues be fired?

A) Dennis Prager
B) Jonah Goldberg
C) Victor Davis Hanson
D) Kevin Williamson
E) Dr Thomas Sowell
F) Rich Lowry
G) Kevin McCarthy
I) David French
J) ...

I am open to suggestions.


maryrose

Hillary's stance on abortion was another gaffe and unforced error.
Probably cost her a ton of votes.
Remember other Dem senator from Pennsylvania is pro-life or used to be back in the day.

lurkersusie

Another policeman attacked.

FL Man to the rescue. Armed citizen shot suspect to save deputy. http://www.nbc-2.com/story/33702378/suspect-dead-deputy-injured-during-shooting-on-i-75

anonamom; formerly adorable, now deplorable.

NPR is hair-on-fire. Calling Breibart the "racist, sexist, anti Semitic site?
"---during its NEWS coverage.

Created to advance "the white supremecist movement" that is the ALT RIGHT.

How did I miss that???

Man, when they define the words...

rse

I remembered one more point while I ran out for tomatillos. Back in the reagan years there was an agreement that was not publicized that the pathway for the desired ed reforms away from academics and schools as traditionally understood would continue on the same pathway, whichever party held the wh in the future.

As a practical matter that is what happened. Now Trump is a wild card unless someone who is privy to that understanding and who has been involved with this planned transformation at various levels can become the Ed Sec. I simply stumble across factual info that is pertinent but was never supposed to be publicly known. I didn't know that aspect and had to piece it together from the parts of the narrative allowed and the parts that must not be discussed.

Evers seems to be viewed as reliable, probably in part because he was on Hoover's Koret Task Force.

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