Memeorandum


Powered by TypePad

« Ben Carson? | Main | Don't Know Much About Economy... »

December 07, 2016

Comments

Firsty McFirstface

First!

anonamom

Me too TM.

buccr morgan.

San, verner lipfert deserves kudos if that is the firm.

Cecil Turner

I think I am.

You oughta be. (And be even more reassured by the fact it was a page out of Bolton's Taiwan card playbook.) Moreover, as Bolton observed later, it was brilliant: subtle enough that the PRC can't throw a tantrum without looking like idiots, direct enough to be an unmistakable signal.

That said, I'd proffer the same caution to the Trump team as to the incoming Obama administration (back during the Russian "reset"): the fact the US goes through a diplomatic disconnect every four years is a major weakness, not a strength, and we'd be wise to minimize the effects where possible.

buccr morgan.

So seib went along with the notion with trump's incoming cabinet is eclectic, unlike every other republican administration

anonamom

CT, I know nothing about foreign relations and diplomacy, but I do think that in general, your last sentence is correct, based on common sense.

But not after these past eight years.

Thank God we have everybody in the whole wide world wondering just WTH is going on.

And I'll keep praying that it goes the way we all hope.

Captain Hate

Mr. Dole, the only former Republican presidential nominee to endorse Mr. Trump

What a disgraceful situation for a so called major party. How many times have conservatives been hectored to suck it up and vote for one of the squishes who tried to give the election to Rodham in a fit of pique and spite. Kudos to Priebus for rising above those gossipy scolds and leading by example. Time for those left standing to do their jobs of reflecting the will of their constituents and telling the donor class to fuck off.

buccr morgan.

He is fusion candidate, somewhat like Silvio, who appealed to various interests, the northern league, national alliance it al.

Porchlight

USS Arizona survivor's story:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/12/06/pearl-harbor-survivor-what-saw-aboard-uss-arizona-on-december-7-1941.html#

Cecil Turner

But not after these past eight years.

Yep, definitely a problem when segueing from a policy of weakness/appeasement. But as wrong as Obama's approach has been, its important to maintain at least a semblance of continuity across administration changes . . . and not to highlight fractures in the body politic that an enemy could use (and have done) to defeat us politico-militarily.

Appalled

Assuming Trump does not know what he is doing, that he is just being careless seems foolish. If you look, he's doing that "pivot to Asia" that the last administration liked to talk about.

buccr morgan.

As terrible as the time cover, I guess its nevessary

matt, deplore me if you must

My uncle graduated from the Naval Academy 1 week after Pearl Harbor and was on a destroyer 3 weeks later headed out to the Pacific. Two uncles were already in the infantry, another in the Navy, another in the coast artillery in Panama.

Dad was the youngest and had to wait for a couple of years, so he worked on Army tugboats in New York Harbor during the summers. It was an all-in war.

Now we are war in Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, and elsewhere in Africa and no one bats an eye. I wonder what Mattis and Trump will do?

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

I can see the importance of continuity in the days of relatively competent pro American Dem administrations.
In the wake of a Carter or a Barry however, seems to me the most important signal to send is precisely that there will be absolutely no continuity of the vascillating, dangerously weak and feckless foreign policy that has encouraged our enemies to undertake aggressive, dangerous adventures that will no longer be accommodated.

Old Lurker

What Iggy just said...

Appalled

I am not sure we know what Trump's full foreign policy is (and it may be he likes it that way). Remember that he believes Bush should have been impeached for Iraq, can't find a bad word for Putin, and isn't all that impressed with NATO.

matt, deplore me if you must

We know which way the wind blows in DC and I am praying that Trump does his best to root out the weevils and helots.

henry

My uncle was a pilot on the Enterprise at the time of the attack. He led the first flight of US Navy planes back to Pearl after the attack (and was shot at by the defenders). My aunt claimed she was strafed as she watched from base housing with my cousin (alcohol may be involved in that exaggeration). I put up a longer remembrance 5 years ago if anyone wants to search fu to the Dec 7, 2011 thread.

DebinNC

PA Sec. of State releases names, home addresses, and phone numbers of electors. That's bordering on criminal imo.

Appalled

Which means, going to Iggy's point, that some assurance of basic continuity is a real good idea. For example, not sure I want Putin thinking NATO is a dead letter because of stuff Trump said in his campaign. Not sure I want Merkel thinking that, either.

Stephanie despicable me

"Jill Stein Word of the Day"

BORBORYGMUS

Hillary's too.

Benjacko

Will he 'accidentally' misstep due to foot-and-mouth disease? You think his TWEETs are thought through? Heh.

Appalled

Ben:

My guess is that Trump tweets impulsively, but he is doing so in support of whatever general puropose he has in his head. He is looking for a distraction that makes Democrats act bad on TV, so he tweets a meany about flag buring when he sees it on TV.

Think about it in terms of jazz improvisation. He's follwoing the chord structure of whatever song is playing in his head, and he knows the mood he wants to set.

buccr morgan.

Con couglin understands what is at stake, in the telegraph,

clarice

Ditto what Iggy just said, though I agree with Cecil re normal presidencies.

dublindave


"I can see the importance of continuity in the days of relatively competent pro American Dem administrations.
In the wake of a Carter or a Barry however, seems to me the most important signal to send is precisely that there will be absolutely no continuity of the vascillating[sic], dangerously weak and feckless foreign policy that has encouraged our enemies to undertake aggressive, dangerous adventures that will no longer be accommodated"


How was 9/11 for ye, was it good?


And the search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Did you like that?

buccr morgan.

I had one cousin who did serve in Vietnam, infantry if memory serves, and the one who was brigade commander at the bay of pigs

Miss Marple the Deplorable

I posted this early this morning and thought I would bring it over here.

Benm Yes, he does know what he's doing with Twitter. Read this:

http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2016/12/president-trumps-tweets-reformed.html

Benjacko

Yes. Miles Davis comes to mind with every Trump tap.

NATO could be a bargain chip if he hadn't already given it up...such a planner.

DebinNC

Betsy's Page, as usual, is full of interesting links today. She's a middle-aged AP History teacher in Raleigh, NC. She's Jewish. She's a moderate Republican and no Trump fan. But I admire her greatly and appreciate the links she posts that I'd miss otherwise.

Neo

The emerging GOP plan to repeal Obamacare on a delayed schedule -- and then maybe kinda sorta replace it later -- has raised a big question: Will Democrats help Republicans pass a replacement that is far less generous and comprehensive than the health law is, allowing Republicans an escape from the political fallout from repeal? Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer answered this question with a resounding No. Under no circumstances, he vowed, would Democrats throw Republicans such a political lifeline.

"We're not going to do a replacement," Schumer said of the Senate Democratic caucus. "If they repeal without a replacement, they will own it. Democrats will not then step up to the plate and come up with a half-baked solution that we will partially own. It's all theirs."

Old Lurker

I am sticking to my plan:

I will worry (wary...not living on the Ledge) only about having the election stolen before Jan 20.

I will not worry one whit about any alleged, leaked decisions made by Trump since he has a long honeymoon with me in my book.

dublindave

Yeah, just what we need to for our Foreign policy...another narcissistic, blowhard with zero experience who likes to pick fights with countries that he himself will never have to fight.

The Taiwanese will pick up the tab for Trump's ego while the Chinese will simply smile at us and continue doing business.


Tell you what, the neo-cons like Tom Maguire are rubbing their hands with glee.

Benjacko

He might have more than the traditional six month honeymoon with Millenials who patiently await the other half of his rhetorical promises.

He's feeding the zoo animals first.

common man

narcissistic, blowhard with zero experience


You think Double Douchebag is talking about Zero? Anyone remember him railing about the lack of experience these last 8 years? So who thinks he needs to go sit in the corner and watch quietly?

Free James D!

Deb @ 10:30

I'm only surprised they didn't go all the way and release the names and ages of all their kids, which schools they go to, and what school bus routes they're on.

Maybe that's being saved for next week.

Benjacko

Trump is Times man-o-war, er person of the year.

Osama yo mama..lol

GUS

Common man The WeeWeeDouchebag, is a paid troll. I don't read his shit, because there is no purpose in reading it. Same is true of Dana Gilbert Ward. Ward isn't paid, he's just a loser. Neither are going to debate you. The 2 are feces throwing libtards.

I just scroll on by.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Old Lurker,

Did you listen to Trump's rally speech last night?

It occurs to me that he is trying to draw in non-supporters and also demonstrating just a few of the good things that are on the horizon when he is sworn in.

I don't think the democrats want to try and take this election away. They will meet fierce and perhaps bloody resistance. It would probably degenerate into Civil War.

No, don't think this will happen. If Ryan or Kasich try to hijack the electoral college I volunteer to confront one or both and slap them silly.

I think every day the threat grows less. I am wary as some of them are desperate to hold onto power, but I really think another thing is coming into play.

The ONLY way the democrats could capture the White House would be with Clinton. Now that the campaign is over, people on the dem side are starting to realize that if she gets in, then THEY (choose whoever you think might run) won't have a chance in 2020.

Most of the dems are convinced Trump will be a failure so for many potential presidential candidates, it's better to have the "goofus" Trump for 4 years rather than a Hillary who would be ensconced for 8.

So I think there will be less and less of this stuff the closer we get to January 20.

Buckeye

Now we are war in Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, and elsewhere in Africa and no one bats an eye. I wonder what Mattis and Trump will do?

One of the first things they will do is change the rules of engagement and tell the boys to go slit ISIS throats.

henry

That and food allergies JamesD

Beasts of England

They're all misunderestimating Trump while he lives rent-free in their heads. Who knew winning would be this much fun!!

sbw

Appalled, I don’t find your representations accurate and I find your conclusions from those representations do not necessarily follow.

Benjacko

If I was in the inner circle I would create a new cabinet position:

Minister of Propaganda...Mike Flynn Jr

Benjacko

'Living rent-free in their heads..'

Lol. I hadn't thought of it that way but slum lords gotta live somewhere.

common man

Once upon a time it was Appalled Moderate. After some strong criticism about truth in advertising, it became simply Appalled. Appalled Liberal would have been most honest but it was an improvement nevertheless.

Very consistent on difficulties on recognizing reality and reaching obvious conclusions from reality, though. He is pleasant enough though unlike some others...

Benjacko

Not even rent-controlled tee hee.

common man

If I was in the inner circle

Only place you would be remotely qualified to be in the inner circle would be an illegal commune in a decrepit building in Oakland...

Truthbetold5

Benjacko

Did you attend this Occult Gala?

https://sli.mg/a/mdv0hG

Benjacko

Gus; If they find a polyp in my colon I know what to name it.

Cecil Turner

I've beaten this drum often enough, but it bears repeating: bluster (at least from our side) doesn't start wars; appeasement starts wars.

Benjacko

Yes CT and Brexiters have been rejoicing that Trump's victory means NO WAR WITH RUSSIA.

Peace, in our time... (waves piece of paper)

common man

You ought to be able to find those polyps all on your own. You have had your head buried in your butt cheeks for years. Bring a flashlight.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

What Trump said about NATO was the other members should pay their fair share.
Outrageous!

lurkersusie

Wants Trump to keep the DACA program

Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel meets with President-elect Donald Trump in New York City | abc7chicago.com

lurkersusie

Sorry, here's the link

http://abc7chicago.com/politics/emanuel-meets-with-trump-in-new-york-city/1643756/

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Trump just concluded a meeting with Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel.

Boy would I have liked to have heard that!

henry

amnesty begging is going to 11, along with climate begging, and global surrender begging.

Truthbetold5

Perhaps the Boeing thing got Rahm's attention?

Benjacko

Yeah. I think that's called telegraphing a punch or spilling your candy in the lobby.

jimmyk

While I think there's not much daylight between Iggy's and Cecil's opinions (CT did praise Trump, after all, with just a modest caveat), I would add that it's good to send the world a strong message that in the event we ever f*** up and elect a SCOAMF like Zippy again, don't count on his policies lasting a second beyond his term in office.

The same concerns about continuity and being careful about transitions are getting trotted out with regard to 404Care, Dodd-Frank, etc. The same applies: Don't think for a second that presidents who enact disastrous policies can tie the hands of their successors who are elected precisely to undo the damage. Repeal on January 21st if possible.

Beasts of England

Hometown crooks!! lol

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/12/07/two-arrested-when-firearm-studded-ala-mannequin-challenge-goes-viral-leads-cops-to-lawmans-goldmine/?tid=ss_fb&utm_term=.77e1a791287e

henry

bezos has gone full firewall on ad blocking. so sad.

JM Hanes

Appalled:

"He is looking for a distraction that makes Democrats act bad on TV, so he tweets a meany about flag buring when he sees it on TV."

I believe that tweet was actually quoting, almost word for word, a statement once made by Hillary Clinton in support of proposed legislation. Like so many of his tweets, it turned out to be far less "impulsive" than folks who underestimate him seem to assume.

In other news, Trump announces his pick for Ambassador to China, Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad:

Mr. Branstad, 70 years old, has a decadeslong relationship with Chinese President Xi Jinping, who first visited Iowa as part of a sister-state exchange program in 1985….

The People’s Daily, the Communist Party’s leading newspaper, in a front-page commentary in Monday’s overseas editions warned Mr. Trump “that creating trouble for China-U.S. relations is just creating trouble for the U.S. itself.”

On Wednesday, Beijing welcomed the reported selection of Mr. Branstad. Lu Kang, the spokesman for the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, referred to the Iowa governor as “an old friend” and said China would “welcome him to play a bigger role in China-U.S. exchanges.”

I was delighted that Trump took the Taiwanese President's phone call. I have reservations about many of the views he's expressed, but it's about time we had someone who can respond to Chinese saber rattling with some moves of his own. Obama was a cheap date who could be bought off with Jinping's promise to stop increasing their noxious emissions sometime around 2030, so that Obama could have his self-styled victory on the climate change front. I swear I sometimes wonder if the Standing Committee didn't have a pool going on how badly Obama could be publicly insulted before he'd actually show some spine.

dublindave

"Will Democrats help Republicans pass a replacement that is far less generous and comprehensive than the health law is, allowing Republicans an escape from the political fallout from repeal"


Like Chuck Schumer said, "go fuck yourself".

There is no way in hell that Democrats are going to undo a law that literally saves lives, that in and of itself is the antithesis of Christian values. I'm talking about ACTUAL Christian values, not some uneducated homophobic redneck quoting the bible simply to be mean spirited.....ACTUAL CHRISTIAN VALUES OF LOVING YOUR FELLOW MAN.


Yeah, sure democrats are going to help undo a law that has insured over 20 million people, created massive employment in the healthcare industry and has brought the uninsured rate.....listen to this......to it's lowest level in the Nations history.


Yeah, the laws got massive problems which is why dems have been trying to fix it while you've been preventing them from doing so with your heritage foundation obstruction plan. Thanks, Jim.

No man....you're on your own.

Beasts of England

Massive employment? Really? Here, Duda - pull the other one!!

Captain Hate

I've beaten this drum often enough, but it bears repeating: bluster (at least from our side) doesn't start wars; appeasement starts wars

I'm sure that lesson is lost on the dopes who state, after 100M+ dead bodies, that communism wasn't implemented correctly.

Benjacko

Wouldn't it be interesting if the Pragmatists see single payer is the only solution to the compacted risk groups like Arizona's ancients of illness?

jimmyk

the laws got massive problems which is why dems have been trying to fix it

What sane person would want the same clowns who crafted this disaster to fix it?

dublindave

Doesn't 'repeal now and replace later' tell you something?

You've had 5 years to come up with a replacement and you STILL HAVEN'T GOT ONE. You won't just repeal because that would be...what?


This crappy ass plan is the best way of insuring 20 million people. Before we did this the healthcare industry had reached critical mass as far as costs and the uninsured went. We were headed for healthcare Armageddon ...and when healthcare makes up 18% of your economy that means economic Armageddon.

That's why you're not actually going to replace it you morons.

Jesus, somebody in this group play devils advocate for once just so we can shed a little...just a little light on these discussions.

henry

great benjacko. I vote you as the single payer. I'll sit by and watch.

dublindave

Alright, my trolling time is up for JOM.I was due at Das Breitbart 30 minutes ago, which means I gotta work overtime today and George is a cheap bastard when it comes to overtime.

Truthbetold5

Clinton Covered Up Ambassador’s Pedophilia

http://www.westernjournalism.com/clinton-covered-up-ambassadors-pedophilia/

Benjacko

They were too busy cock-blocking Obama to devise an alternative, but excuses have left the Terminal as of 1/20.

jimmyk

From when they were still the party of Stoopid:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/12/busted-texas-rogue-electoral-delegate-chris-suprun-linked-van-jones-think-progress/

JM Hanes

Did anyone think the Democrats were going to help Republicans with much of anything? Does anyone think insurance companies will be content to go down with the Democratic ship?

Just in case anyone still thinks the Democrat attempts at self-reflection might actually go somewhere productive for a change, there's this: Why are so many Democratic operatives cynical, soulless hacks?

The political style of Democratic operatives like Emanuel and Brock is characterized by a focus on opposition research and propaganda, an obsessive pursuit of political cash at nearly any cost, and occasional sops to the liberal base when it can't be avoided. Instead of trying to build genuine enthusiasm among the working class with integrity and simple, good policy, they would attack the enemy and essentially dupe people into voting Democratic with psychological tricks, massive ad campaigns, and coordinated use of social media. The Democrats need better, more honest operatives. Party hacks who actually believe in the ideals the party was built on. People like Terry McAuliffe, the Democratic governor of Virginia....

The guy was serious! LOL! How much shallower can the Democratic bench get?

Cecil Turner

Obama was a cheap date who could be bought off with Jinping's promise to stop increasing their noxious emissions sometime around 2030, so that Obama could have his self-styled victory on the climate change front.

One of the places The Donald and I see perfectly eye-to-eye. The dem/liberal/global citizens are so desperate for an agreement, they give away the store before they start negotiating. Climate change is a good example, as is the Iran deal (where they agreed Iran had a "right to enrich" before they even started to talk--and then scheduled the payout up front and Iran's compliance in the out years). Mixing it up a bit can only help.

dublindave


"Massive employment? Really? Here, Duda - pull the other one"

I believe the last CBO report said that the healthcare industry had added 2.3 million new jobs since the ACA's implementation. I could be off a little...but not by much..I really have to go, I still have to get to Townhall by 1.

Beasts of England

Please tell me, DublinDave, why spending 18% of a country's GDP on healthcare is economic Armageddon. Lotsa details, please.

Benjacko

Three generals now in cabinet. Fourth could be Petrayus.

The first American Junta? Ach, that civilian control...

Dr Weevil

I'm glad to read that even dublindave sees that Obamacare "in and of itself is the antithesis of Christian values". Of course, he probably doesn't actually see that, but was mislead by his pretentious arrogance into using a big word whose meaning he does not know. Maybe he meant 'epitome'?

Beasts of England

Yes, DuDa, you can redirect spending via fiat and 'create jobs' in the designated industry. What you're not taking into consideration is the unintended employment consequences of enacting that policy. I realize that there's some multi-variable analyses required for that to register, but you should give it a go...

jimmyk

the healthcare industry had added 2.3 million new jobs

The 21st century equivalent of digging a hole and filling it up.

Tonto

From the previous thread:

Haven't refreshed, so this may have been posted already, but Mark Simone (WOR radio, NYC) just announced that the "My Pillow" guy, Mike whatever, is now meeting with Trump at the Tower and is coming over to Mark's show right after to be interviewed! Says Trump loves the guy. And as we all know his pillows are made in Minnesota.

Know there have been several lively back and forths on this topic! And what about that National Sleep Institute? Real or head fake???

James D

CT @ 12:05

Exactly. They see signing a treaty - regardless of what it says or does - as an end in itself.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

My SOB skills are lacking as I couldn't help but notice that Weedavey ought to look up "antithesis" while he's on his way to Breitbart or Townhall or the drunk tank.

James D

JMH @ 12:03

Wow. That article was...just wow. How delusional do you have to be, to praise McAuliffe as an example of the kind of politician you actually want/need?

Beasts of England

That's awful, Ben! If only he would appoint expert trial lawyers to his cabinet such as Jeh Johnson we'd have it made!! lol

Benjacko

Oh it's verboten to discuss job growth and Ocare but spending twice that on another bloated Pentagon....you would say 'is there a problem?'

Only if your answer to jobs is more mil/industrial welfare and cannon fodder type infantry jobs.

Dr Weevil

How many of the 2.3 million jobs in healthcare are doctors, nurses, x-ray technicians and other actual health-care providers, and how many are paper-pushers trying to keep track of the massive piles of paperwork on who's paying for what and how? I'm going to guess a large majority are the latter. I wouldn't be very surprised if it turned out that we have 2.4 million more paper-pushers and 0.1 million fewer health-providers.

Benjacko

Hmm what percent of GDP goes the way of the Pentagon?

common man

How delusional do you have to be

When your choices are so limited that Keith Ellison seems to be your sole option, yeah even a moronic hack leech like McAwful seems pretty damn solid...

dublindave

"Please tell me, DublinDave, why spending 18% of a country's GDP on healthcare is economic Armageddon. Lotsa details, please"

It isn't, but it's such a large percentage of gross domestic product that any changes to it WILL have a dire impact on our economy. Rising healthcare costs impact federal deficits, creates smaller take home pay for families which means less money flowing into the economy, less labor mobility, higher labor costs creating less employment etc etc.


That's why you republicans don't really want to repeal. The current healthcare system is a jenga tower and no one wants to be the party who crippled the U.S economy by pulling the wrong brick out.


Heh heh heh heh


Later....

Beasts of England

Job growth? That's a good one, Ben!! Review our moribund GDP growth and our cratering labor participation rate and get back with me...

Beasts of England

You missed it by a million miles, DuDa. I'm not surprised, but I realize that you have drinking and other trolling hours to log elsewhere today, so I'll save your macroeconomics lesson for another day.

Neo

WaPo: Who gets hurt when part-time work becomes the new normal

This "new" phenomenon of temporary jobs has been the norm since ObamaCare passed (and slightly before), but for some unknown reason, this wasn't a real problem while our ".. like a god" President was firmly in charge.
But now, with a mere mortal as President-Elect, this is now a problem ?

Next week, I'm sure that the WaPo will discover that homelessness is a real problem too.
Or perhaps, it will wait until President Trump is firmly in office.

henry

Oh, back to calling the "gig economy" underemployment? fancy that.

lyle

Hmm what percent of GDP goes the way of the Pentagon?

Not damn near enough considering all the coin Zippy has shoveled out the door to his cronies in Big Green Energy.

Old Lurker

MM, I agree with you that the risk of overturning the election diminishes every day.

Rising in its place will be an alliance between Schumer, Pelosi et al and Graham, McCain et al with the encouragement of POTUS-In-Wanting, Paul Ryan, to protect their old world order and control over their lessers.

the generalisticly deplorable rich

JM Hanes good to read your comment.

In re: Obaamcare repeal and replace or whatever is going to happen. As of 2014, half of the senators that voted for it are no longer in office. With a few more losses and retirements sense then, it is now more than half as of the new congress in 2017. 8-ish years into the law and only a few into the actual effects. No one sees the problem?

One would think that any vote that had whipped out more than half a majority would be a top item to "repeal and replace". anyway.

The comments to this entry are closed.

Traffic

Wilson/Plame