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December 16, 2016

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Jack is Back! (On his iPad)

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Jack is Back! (On his iPad)

1. Vietnam war (56k KIA)
2. 911
3. Tech revolution
4. Space program/man on the moon
5. Cold War
6. Atomic bomb used on Japan
7. JFK assassination
8. 2nd Ecumenical Council
9. ISIS/al-Queda rise of radical Islam
10. Civil rights/Brown v. BoE

dublindave

1.The President-elect refusing to believe the Intelligence agencies he oversees that an attack on America by a Foreign adversary occurred.Instead, as President choosing to provide much needed political cover for the adversary(that helped him get elected)and signaling that he would use the United States Presidency to aid the global ambitions of said adversary-at the expense of the very country he's President of.


That was a big one.

sbw

Great events often matter less than ongoing Gramsci events.

sbw

Iggy: thucydides

Thucydides peddled fake news!

Jack is Back! (On his iPad)

DuDa,

Evidence? And if there is any, why didn't the current administration prevent a foreign power from interfering with an alleged cyber attack? Because it is totally incompetent and leads from behind. Just like your wishful thinking.

Old Lurker

I wonder why the JFK assassination is one the list? I agree that it was memorable, but to me the only lasting result of his death was the rising of LBJ and the expansion of New Deal wealth transfers (War on Poverty) which kick started the era of great government. While the FDR SS was already cooked into the cake, it exploded once it was found that money from future generations could be used to lighten the load on the living. $20 Trillion in debt and governments which take and spend more than 50% of our collective productivity, and the wholesale destruction of the Black Families & Community have resulted.

jimmyk

Too early to say where Trump's election ranks, but it might be up there if he succeeds in draining the swamp.

dublindave

"DuDa,
Evidence? And if there is any, why didn't the current administration prevent a foreign power from interfering with an alleged cyber attack? Because it is totally incompetent and leads from behind. Just like your wishful thinking"

Evidence is a little tricky considering the nature of the evidence itself. Takes a little time to brew up enough political will to declassify the information that led to the conclusions. The more leaks that occur, the more pressure will build and the closer we'll get to a bi-partisan commission.

But a more interesting question would be why you are so intent on protecting people who truly despise you and who dream about seeing you and your family on a bread line? This is not an abstract concept.

Perhaps you feel Russia's intent undermines the legitimacy of your newly elected President and so you're willing to protect them to preserve your own power.

Jesus. Sleep much?

jimmyk

That all seems pretty big, OL.

jimmyk

Duda is that a reference to Benghazi?

Old Lurker

It is huge, Jimmy, but I would list it as "LBJ expands government" rather than "JFK Assassination" since the later sounds like Camelot Adulation and some who list it are of the "if only the great man had survived" camp.

Threadkiller

1. President used Johanna Ah'Nee's birth certificate to create forged online image of purported identification.

cheerleader

Imo the Columbine High School Massacre shooting should have been included.

Also the Leon Klinghoffer murder.

Also the beheading of Daniel Pearl.

Threadkiller

Cashill:

http://www.wnd.com/2016/12/16-fake-news-stories-over-last-20-years/

His last line ties nicely to this thread.

Threadkiller

In case and pedantic score keepers are lurking, I should say his second to last paragraph ties in nicely.

Threadkiller

and=any

dublindave

"Duda is that a reference to Benghazi"

You're a little old for a security blanket.

But not too old to recognize that the President-elect has turned Trump tower into a Royal court where subjects are called to bestow gifts onto the newly crowned King.

Seriously, aren't you even slightly alarmed by the Learian nightmare of the President-elect's 3 children(2 of which are officially in charge of his business interests) attending important meetings of state with the leaders of Corporations and countries where.....dear god I can barely type this.....where the President elect has business interests?


Come on, man, this is the very definition of a cleptocracy.

buccaneer morgan

Well if you read kagan, a very subjective history.

How can the end of the cold war not be a bigger thing?

henry

Private space flight.
Fracking (in spite of government)
Wisconsin Revolution
the rest are negative things the Dems dumped on us

cheerleader

I chose my selections because they were prototypes

henry

Oh boy, this is gonna be great! FBI ordered to go forward with Clintoon Foundation probe. Maybe. It could be they find what needs to be in the pardon.

Buckeye

1. God is Dead movement

buccaneer morgan

But that was perhaps because it marked a short interregnum of piece

dublindave

"Too early to say where Trump's election ranks, but it might be up there if he succeeds in draining the swamp"

Yesterday, at Trump's tech summit, an unusually small Cali-based tech company, Plantir was present and no one knew why. It's a small company compared to all the others. Then it turned out that Peter Thiel, head of Trump's transition owns Plantir and organized that his own company get some much needed Presidential face time. Why? Because Thiels company relies on government awarded contracts and this opportunity allowed them to talk to the newly elected president on what he could do for them regarding pending government contracts...I mean for Thiel....I mean for them.....thiel...whoever

Yeah,draining the swamp alright.

Captain Hate

How has homo marriage had a big impact on the nation? narc is right; the bloodless fall of the Berlin Wall is huge and still bugs the lefties every single day. And so is jimmyk about Trump's election when the citizens kicked the Uniparty ruling class squarely in the balls.

James D

I was born in 1969, but not until September, so I can't count the moon landing.

My subjective list, based on what I actually remember experiencing (leaves out anything before the late 70's), and in no particular order:

Challenger disaster
Election of President Reagan
September 11
"Tear Down This Wall!"
The disastrous 2008 election
Gulf War
Chernobyl
AIDS epidemic
Internet/mobile/e-commerce revolution
Premiere of "Star Wars"

buccaneer morgan

The notion I floated last night clarice, how testimony from Murray as well as common sense could play like a thriller where a bill nighy character races to prevent a confrontation, sparked by a third party.

James D

OT, I (finally!) wrote the blurb for the next book. Here it is:

Jane Barnaby thought she’d planned the perfect Christmas vacation. She’d invited her father and his fiancé to join her in Spain at her archaeological dig. They’d see her work, meet her mentor and enjoy a few days of sunny Mediterranean beaches in the dead of winter. What could go wrong?

Her annoying brother tagging along, and then landing in jail for a crime he didn’t commit, for one thing.

To clear her brother’s name and make her vacation perfect again, all Jane has to do is chase the mystery woman who set her brother up across Europe, find her in a dangerous and unfamiliar city and deal with her accomplices. Oh, and outwit an ex-KGB agent and his personal goon squad, too.

It’s going to be an exciting and action-packed Christmas for Jane, whether she wants it or not!

And I just set up the pre-order on Amazon:

http://getBook.at/HerBrother

It'll be officially out on January 31st.

Appalled

Brother, what a botched list. Ending of the cold war comes behind assassination of JFK? Really? Going on the basis of what changed things, in my lifetime:

1. Ending of cold war.
2. Passage of Civil Rights Act/ end of segregation in the South.
3. Tech Revolution. (Include fracking here)
4. 9-11.
5. I would have put Obama election here, but he wrote his legacy in sand, and its effects will disappear quickly. Too soon to put Trump election in its place, but consider this a placeholder.
6. Vietnam War
7. Clean Air Act (This has a huge influence on how things unfold today)
8. Great Recession
9. Gay Marraige
10. Sexual Revolution. (The effect on family structure is much of the reason we are where we are today)

Captain Hate

Chernobyl is an interesting choice. It showed the commies were a bunch of technological dunces who didn't know or care the slightest about safety measures for the garbage they put in the occupied countries. It also illustrated what a bunch of alarmist idiots were in Whoreyweird for releasing trash like The China Syndrome. Don't get me wrong; it was a terrible thing to have happen; but probably not as bad as when the Rooskis were dumping nuclear waste under the Ural Mountains until one day the spy satellites infrared cameras noticed a really really hot spot.

Cecil Turner

In chronological vs importance order:
1) Great Society
2) Nixon debacle/ Losing to Vietnam (and their lefty allies)
3) Ronald Reagan elected/ Death of Communism
4) Rise of socialism (inside the US)
5) Trump election

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

" Iggy : thucydides? "

Huh? I can barely pronounce thoosidededededeees.
I don't remember writing it lately.

buccaneer morgan

Sebastyen included it in his masterful 1989, as one of the dominoes that led to the fall.

One getting back to my thriller notion, who would profit from warming up the cold war?

Benjacko

Holy crap. Facebook- type data (no value )

It's a new Age without filtered demographics and context.

It's a tweet Kingdom of Trumps.

Huzzahhhh..

Cecil Turner

One getting back to my thriller notion, who would profit from warming up the cold war?

Putin: he's in desperate need of some distraction.

buccaneer morgan

Did the moon landings have lasting impact, the Vietnam war did in the way it ended.

jimmyk

Funny how lefties are suddenly hyper-sensitive to conflicts of interest after years of looking the other way for Curb Dive and the Clinton extortion racket.

Appalled

dublindave:

One of the critical things about Trump is that he does not care about personal ethics issues (or at least the ones being raised by Newsweek, etc), or the appearence of a conflict of interest. His supporters do not currently care about it either.

At some point -- when Trump first becomes unpopular over something -- this really could come back to bite him, as there are just so many potential scandals in Trump's business interests. But these stories won't happen unless there is a willingness in the populace to care about them. I don't see it right now.

henry

only in the way they invented fireproof steel on Maui while filming the fake moon landings.

buccaneer morgan

True, and one might think Iran, however who has been the loser in the economic as well as geopolitic sphere. I'm. flipping the latest Mitch rapp on Its head.

Cecil Turner

I think you could argue the moon landings sparked the tech revolution . . . but it just accelerated the process. (It was a lot easier on the bystanders than some other historical accelerants, e.g., WWII.)

buccaneer morgan

Smooth Henry, so they're really reliant on mandiant analysis to pen this tale, but who are the players behind cozy bear.

Account Deleted

Most of what I've listed here are
events that ignited significant repercussions which continue to shape the course of the country.

JFK's assasination was clearly impactive and memorable for anybody who'd reached the age of reason by 1964. But by comparison to say, the invention of the microprocessor in 1971, the repercussions of Kennedy's murder seem far less in my opinion.

Qualifier: Number 10 is a projection based on the immediate impacts on *WHO LOST*, unlike any other election in our history. Even if Trump underdelivers, there will be seismic shifts in power relationships inside the US and across the globe.

Here goes:

1.Open casket funeral of Emmet Till, and subsequent trial of his murderers, spurs the civil rights movement against Jim Crow in the American South into the spotlight to become a national movement. (1955)

2.USS Nautilus, first nuclear submarine in the world, completes world’s first-ever submerged transit through the North Pole (1958)

3.Ronald Reagan delivers his speech “A Time For Choosing” on TV launching the modern conservative movement in America (October, 1964)

4. Gulf of Tonkin Resolution passed by Congress and leads to escalation in Vietnam (1964)

5.Immigration and Nationality Act signed into law (1965)

6.Invention of the 4004 microprocessor (1971)

7. Affirmative Action goes unchallenged before the Supreme Court (1971)

8.Ronald Reagan deploys an intentional political strategy to destroy the Soviet Union; by initiating the largest US military buildup since WWII, the arms race bankrupts the Soviet treasury, forces the fall of the Berlin Wall and leads to the end of the Cold War. (1981)

9.President Clinton re-engineers the Community Reinvestment Act through signing of the Gramm-Leach-Bailey Act laying the groundwork for the Great Financial Crisis of 2008. Clinton said that it, "establishes the principles that, as we expand the powers of banks, we will expand the reach of the [Community Reinvestment] Act" (1999)

10.The election of Donald J. Trump to the White House defeats 24 consecutive years of Uniparty government in Washington D.C. (2016)

Captain Hate

Losing to Vietnam (and their lefty allies)

I read something about 15 years ago in Stratfor Reports that made the case that it was a strategic success in providing enough resistance to slow the dominoes to a period of relative stasis. I don't know if I buy into that entirely but I think it's more than putting a smiley face on a humiliation.

Benjacko

Where did they acquire these priorities?

Some teevee, some talk radio and some fish wrap and a lot of innertubes.

The Internet is like a gun in a childs hands. Adult filters needed to assuage the peril of partial information. And that includes the entire range of classes.

Call me bigoted and disrespectful against ignorance and stupidity. I'm an equal opportunity bigot.

Appalled

Captain:

The loss or perceived loss in Vietnam has influenced how this country sees war, sees politicians, and how the parties deal with foreign policy. As a result, it is enormously consequential (in a mostly bad way), whatever Stratfor may argue.

Tom Bowler

Watergate is number one. I think without Watergate Nixon would have remained in office and the Vietnam War would have been won.

Cecil Turner

His supporters do not currently care about it either.

Nobody with a brain cares about it. One of the few good things about electing a billionaire is that he's really hard to bribe.

Moreover, any Hillary supporter bringing up the subject ought to be prepared to explain hundreds of millions of dollars in the Foundation, and how someone who "came out of the White House not only dead broke, but in debt," managed to live like a queen and amass a personal fortune in eight digits with no real work outside government.

Benjacko

Trump is amoral. Alert the media, lol

buccaneer morgan

Yes its a reach it was in line with other proxy wins in central America, in southern Africa, one recalls how Reagan's proxy response in El Salvador mainly was taken by the left.

Captain Hate

You're certainly correct, Appalled, on how it impacted the country internally which was the focus of the original question. Stratfor concentrated on the global impact.

Account Deleted

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies

Tang. the breakfast drink wasn't invented for the space program. NASA used it in space and made it popular.

buccaneer morgan

And it encouraged soviet adventurism in Afghanistan, which led to the next hot war

Cecil Turner

As a result, it is enormously consequential (in a mostly bad way), whatever Stratfor may argue.

That is correct. I think StratFor is right about the geopolitical effects, but by comparison, they're minimal.

I was going to footnote my "rise of socialism" bullet above with something to the effect of "Vietnam anti-war activists rise to positions of power," but couldn't come up with anything pithy.

sbw

Iggy, I should have said Bucc:

Kagan pere should how thucydides was an unreliable narrator, the max Taylor of his age

Posted by: buccaneer morgan | December 15, 2016 at 04:14 PM

BlueOx

Nobody's mentioned the overthrow of the Shah.

Ranks awfully high on my list.

Appalled

Cecil:

Trump's billionaire status has been questioned -- he's certainly highly leveraged (or has been), and may be subject to influences we know nothing about.

But, frankly, this is relitigating an election Trump won, and the Clintons had the very same problems. When Trump does something though, be ready for the media plague to investigate how action a or action b benefits Trump.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

1. Defeat of Soviet Union
2. Reaganomics
3. Gulf War
Provisional 4. Obama Election.
5-10. Who cares?

1. Destroyed not only a gigantic threat to the world that everyone but a handful of people considered a permanent fixture but also discredited socialism.

2. Further destroyed socialism and broke the Keynesian monopoly of economic policy and reinvigorated a moribund, declining country.

3. Broke the Vietnam syndrome that suggested our armed forces were inept and had a bunch of gold plated weapons that wouldn't work. Cemented the US as the sole superpower.

Possible no 4: Obama election. Destroyed the Dems as a national party and discredited prog policies. Only provisional as it partly depends on Trump closing the deal.
If you go to PowerLine and click on their links at the top of the page you will see abundant evidence Trump has every intention of closing the deal in no uncertain terms.
We shall see.

Honorable mention to the Civil Rights act which righted many wrongs but it is largely overshadowed by the Dem's co-opting it over the last 50 years to create a new virtual plantation to keep those uppity niggles where they belong; sucking the Dem teat or, if they're clean and articulate enough, they can come serve for awhile in the big, white house.

Honorable mention no 2: the rise of China. Still unclear where it will go but might very well muscle it's way into the top 3.

Beasts of England

@Porch - I think they're plastic. Grape leaves would be a great idea! If I were crafty I might have to make something like that... :)

buccaneer morgan

Yes blue ox, it opened up islamist terrorism, it had economic impacts, led to the proxy wars that would involve Iraq.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Niggles?

Damned autocorrect won't even let me condemn the progs for how they use blacks.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Appalled,

The media can say what they want. Trump has at least partially defanged them. Cable subscriptions are dropping, and newspapers are dying.

This is why they have been pushing the "fake news" stuff. They have to discredit alternative media so that word won't spread on things like, oh, Obama first saying the election was above board and not rigged followed by saying, well, the Russians rigged it.

Pffft.

buccaneer morgan

So we're agreed it was a turrible list.

Cecil Turner

Trump's billionaire status has been questioned -- he's certainly highly leveraged (or has been), and may be subject to influences we know nothing about.

I've seen various claims it's closer to 1 than 8 (and google gives a snap answer of 3.7), but none that change the number of zeros.

And in any event, even if he acts with his bottom line in mind, it's a whole different ball game from outright bribery and a millionaire accepting millions for public actions or pay-to-play. There is simply no equivalency there, and the Clintons (Hillary actually, Bill was all about power) were an order of magnitude worse.

Captain Hate

The fall of the Shah also revealed how donk presidents will turn on an ally in an instant and put the world on notice that we can't be trusted.

Benjacko

I would put the overthrow of Mossadded ahead of the Shahs exit

Benjacko

Ach! Mohammed Mossadedeq.

Appalled

Miss M:

You may be right on how it works. So far, you certainly are, as the sort of things that sink other canddidates has not defeated Trump.

If Trump is to lose, though, perceived conflicts of interests will be one of the ways to get at him. For that to happen, though, people like you would have to see a problem that you don't currently see.

Thomas Collins

May I include a year before I was born? If I can, I'll pick as number one the national security strategy meetings President Eisenhower conducted know as Project Solarium, and the articulation of the national security strategy coming out of Project Solarium (the strategy is often referred to as "New Look").

Account Deleted

BlueOx--- Sorry. I didn't see your list. Time stamp or repost, please. Thanks!

Kev

buccaneer morgan

Taheri tells it the former was a smaller event, except in the way it was an unheeded warning. Any policy that triggered the rebuke of the bazaaris and the merchants, would end in failure

However the future hostage takers came out of the leftwing culture of antivietnam protest AMD were able to harness it, (take falk and foucaults total ignorance of who khomeini was )

Old Lurker

As I have said before, whether Trump is worth $1B or $10B, so what? Do you have any idea how impressive it is to accumulate a net worth of a mere $1B?

Go try that then get back to me.

Appalled

Cecil:

Look, if all the lobbyists start staying at Trump hotels rather than the Hilton or the Sheraton, it looks like a variety of pay for play. If a local government grants one of his casinos a tax abatement, it looks like a quid pro quo is in operation.

I think your argument would be that it isn't much money, or Trump does what's right, rather than what's right for him, etc. That's all dependent on a belief on Mr. Trump's good faith. If you ever lose that, it's just going to look like standard issue corruption.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

The fall of the shah is another honorable mention.
It did unleash the radical Islamic genie which had largely been suppressed though it can be argued the bumbling West allowing a bunch of sand fleas in Saudi Arabia to steal trillions of dollars would have led to Islam crawling out of its crypt anyway.
However Islam only becomes an existential threat if the west imports enough of them to be eaten from within, which it might be dumb enough to do.
Otherwise in a world of accelerating technology Islam is a self limiting archaic anchor around the neck of any country benighted enough to adopt it.

Thomas Collins

For number two, I'll pick Norman Borlaug's development of the wheat varieties that have done way more to feed the world than any governmental policy.

buccaneer morgan

Consequently when the sepah which were trained alongside arafat's men in Lebanon, returned to sow the seeds of hezbollah, it was deemed an indigenous movement.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

BTW, points east might want to brace for a beast of a storm that just left us.

Old Lurker

"That's all dependent on a belief on Mr. Trump's good faith. If you ever lose that, it's just going to look like standard issue corruption."

Then let's wait till that happens then impeach the SOB, OK?

In the meantime I prefer to believe that he wants to save this country from certain destruction.

Thomas Collins

Three for me is the Nixon/Kissinger Red China initiative.

Benjacko

Heh. Once you have a critical mass of $1 billion, see how hard it is to lose money.

Now add that he was born on third and got Walked home declaring HOME RUN!

Buckeye

The left will continue to squeal like a stuck pig for at least the next 4 years.

The louder they get, the more we know we are above the target.

Been waiting a long time for this...

Account Deleted

BJacko: M-o-s-s-a-d-e-q

buccaneer morgan

It might be argued the 73 oil shock had multiolr effects, it was an undercurrent to toppling Nixon. It was a factor inthe shah's fall, it awakened the ikwan from their slumber.

BlueOx

Kev,

My list (b. 1965) would include:

The moon landing
Fall of Saigon
Fall of the Shah
Miracle on Ice (aka Reagan Revolution)
Tech/Telecom revolution
Herschel Walker trade

Buckeye

As they say Bjacko, can't pick your parents.

Zero and Slick come to mind first:)

Thomas Collins

Because greatest impact includes negatives, four will be the development by Robert McNamara and the other supposed whiz kids in the JFK Administration of the strategy to fight the North Vietnamese. Eisenhower's Project Solarium is the model of how to develop a strategy. McNamara's? This is a somewhat family friendly blog, so I won't indicate my view on McNamara's strategy.

Benjacko

Can't get it on my phone, so really kid
it's. MosaddegH

buccaneer morgan

Yrs that's a fair bet buckeye, take Cheney × eleventy.

Old Lurker

A billion dollars in net worth based on many assets being worth, at a point in time, more than the value of lots of leverage can vanish in a heartbeat. Assets have a way of changing in value on a whim; debt has a way of staying equal to or greater than the amount borrowed.

Benjacko

And still didn't get it.

buccaneer morgan

Well counterinsurgency is a tricky thing, take Algeria as one example and Malaya as the other.

The former might have had more success if galula instead of aussuresse had been in charge. What was initially focused on small unit warfare devolved into heavy infantry.

Neo

Syracuse, N.Y. -- Syracuse just broke a 99-year record for the coldest Dec. 16.
The temperature at Hancock International Airport, the official weather station for Syracuse, hit 2 below zero over the last hour.
The record for Dec. 16 had been minus 1, set in 1917.

... so, the NYTimes is saying that this isn't the Russians ?

I heard they have a lot "cold" over there.
Isn't that why they called it the "Cold War" ?

Thomas Collins

Five is Carter's turning against the Shah. Six is Gorbachev's attempts to make the Sovs stronger, which didn't work out so well for the Sovs. Seven is Reagan's strategy to deal with the Sovs.

By the way, the number one most misinterpreted event is Gorby's efforts. Gorby is viewed as too much of a peacemaker. He was nothing of the sort. In fact, part of his legacy is the development of a nasty Sov bioweapons capacity.

lyle

I know what makes my list: Hilligula will never be president.

Perhaps that's a tad myopic... 😎

Neo

4) February 3, 1959 -- the day the music died

Thomas Collins

My eighth would be Yeltsin's holding off on nuking us until more info came in on the 1995 Black Brant rocket launch. I have wondered how much vodka Boris had in him when the Russkie football was brought to him.

Thomas Collins

For ninth I'll go with Nixon and Kissinger for their dealing with the '73 Arab/Israeli war, and for tenth I'll go with the United States's response to the Sputnik launch.

Account Deleted

Re PEOTUS' financial affairs--- WH counsel needs to coordinate a legal team effort to make POTUS "bullet-proof" against any knoodling by the press to litigate his presidency. And that blind trust needs to be bullet proof too.

Benjacko

Were Russian laptops retrurned from Natanz with the STUXNET virus?

Imagine Pootins reaction when his grid shuts down.

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