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December 16, 2016

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henry

Um they have been trolling us since Duranty if not before?

Captain Hate

Wangs for Rodham!

Jack is Back! (On his iPad)

DuDa is one of their paid dis - mis - cis information trolls.

For the record.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Perhaps if they quit trolling and went back to being a newspaper they wouldn't have to vacate 8 floors of their GHQ to rent out.

buccaneer morgan

The one who ate the bugs, Shirley?

Like I say from troll to media 'expert' to policy maker has been a short drive this decade.

buccaneer morgan

Yet they are unwilling to brief congress, air tight case they got

Captain Hate

Trump and the citizens put these assholes on notice to either stop presenting their ignorant opinions as fact or face going out of business. I think they're too dumb to make the right choice.

dublindave

I hate to be the troll, but didn't the President-elect ask Russia to hack his opponent during the election, an act which in and of itself undermines our very Democracy- hence the question; Is Donald Trump a threat to Democracy?

Way to go with the critical thinking, TM? Wow, you really are a natural investigative journalist.

Neo

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BREAKING: China's navy has seized an unmanned, underwater U.S. Navy vehicle in international waters of South China Sea.

11:03 AM - 16 Dec 2016

Frau Steingehirn

The Black Swan occurrence of Donald Trump's election has revealed the Dems as full-blown fragilistas, devoid of reason.

Move on, my foot!

dublindave

No replies? Nothing?

So, I guess the President-elect inviting an enemy of the United States to undermine our Democracy doesn't qualify as a threat Democracy?


My mistake. Nothing to see here. Well done, Tom, very thorough work.

Frau Wasserdicht

Neo @ 12:26 - let's see how Pres.Flexible's red line lasts under water.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Oh no.
Looks like Moochelle is defaulting to her normal not proud of her country position.

the generallyistic deplorable rich

I suppose the administration's response will be like their response to the perfect landing of one of our drones in Iran.

give it a rest dudu.

Frau Wasserdicht

Whatcha gonna believe, lying headlines or the actual words?

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Mr. Trump said during a news conference here in an apparent reference to Mrs. Clinton’s deleted emails. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”( July 2016 NYT)

and

If Russia or any other country or person has Hillary Clinton's 33,000 illegally deleted emails, perhaps they should share them with the FBI! (Twitter July 2016)

The press and FBI were AWOL.

Frau Wasserdicht

FBI's Comey from his first weasel word report:

With respect to potential computer intrusion by hostile actors, we did not find direct evidence that Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was successfully hacked. But, given the nature of the system and of the actors potentially involved, we assess that we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence. We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account. (5 Jul 2016

Candidate Trump certainly understood Comey's report and rightly mocked Candidate Clinton's incompetence.

common man

Have to say that Ben Cardin is a very low watt dimbulb. Cavuto ran him around in circles. He was left sputtering about blind trusts ( how would a hotel with the name Trump on it being in a trust change a damn thing?) and the emoluments clause. Selling a hotel room at market rate is most definitely not a gift. Idiot extraordinaire...

the generallyistic deplorable rich

I am still stunned and amazed that Hillary got away with it. I can still recall her March 10 presser at the UN with the softball server questions and the modified limited hangouts. And with all that we know she was thisclose to winning the Presidency.

Frau Wasserdicht

Addendum: Candidate Trump rightly mocked the press *and* the FBI.
Incompetence or worse?


Iggy @ 12:44 - progs do not accept a loss.

the generallyistic deplorable rich

March 10 2015 which I think was a few days after her handlers had been shaping the story in the media. The NYT of all places reported March 2nd, 2015 her exclusive use of the server.

Which puts some of the other email hauls in a different light.

Buckeye

Did I hear correctly that Zero is going to have a presser today?

Guess he is going to huff and puff and blow the Russkie's house down?

Jack is Back! (On his iPad)

Buckeye,

It's for his bowl picks. 33 bowls this year. 33 ways to apply that merde touch.

common man

Might stamp his feet, and shakes his fists too. If he is feeling up to it, he might even draw a red line. With crayon and then eat the paste...

Miss Marple the Deplorable

It's all the same with the left, the New York Times, and the rest of the sorry lot.


To them, "threat to democracy" means "doesn't agree with me."

That's all this is about.

Cecil Turner

I am comfortably persuaded the Russians did hack (in the sense of helping get true information from the DNC), and they did it to "help" Trump (but I'm also convinced they didn't want him elected). I'm just not sure why I should care . . . except maybe to schedule them for some tit-for-tat cyberwar practice we obviously need.

As for the Dems hyperventilating: get yourselves some better operational security, or stop saying stupid sh!t on email. (Advice freely offered, knowing it won't be taken.)

lyle

Moochelle can kiss my ass.

That is all.

RattlerGator

Is this post TM's longest post evah? My goodness, quite a bunch of material.

* * *

From the dead thread, where JM Hanes said C-SPAN perhaps should be listed as a Top 10, and not in a good way, because of the effect of cameras on politicians within the chambers of Congress, etc.:

Unintended consequences, JM Hanes, unintended consequences. It seems we must continually be reminded of and shown perhaps the singular truth about our world -- it is not perfectible, and neither are we.

That said, C-SPAN is quite an advance in multiple ways.

I'm forcing myself to not make a list, by the way. Y'all take up too much of my time as it is.

Finally, I had a nice dinner with fdcol63 last night. We had a good time celebrating the Trump victory, talking about this blog, world politics, etc. And he didn't beat me over the head about yet another Seminole victory (dammit) over my Gators.

Gotta go.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Cecil,

If you read those Podesta emails, not only were there all sorts of shady deals going on with their dealings with Bernie and the DNC, but they also talked a lot of trash about Clinton and her close circle.

This indicates that they had zero awareness of the ease with which email could be corrupted, stolen, accidentally forwarded, etc.

I mean, would you have ever put insults about your boss on a company email? I sure wouldln't!

Yet there they were, talking about Cherly and Jennifer and Hillary like catty junior high brats. Amazing.

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JM Hanes

I think "presser" will probably prove to be a misnomer, although I do hope it ends up being his last one, as promised. He will surely offer us some final thoughts on his 8 years in office, no? I wouldn't be surprised if he blew a little smoke about the Russian hacking, because I suspect right now what he wants the most is to get through the next month without having to address any questions about China's militarization of the South China Sea. That's the potential elephant-sized fly in his presidential legacy ointment right now. I'd bet he just wants to slink out of town without being forced to say or do anything about that looming debacle, in the hope that it will end up being associated with the Trump Administration, not his own where it belongs.

Fresh Air, Deplorably

If we take it as a given that the Ruskies exposed the DNC and Podesta's e-mails, has anyone actually challenged their authenticity?

Okay. So Hillary's complaint is that the people weren't supposed to know?

Old Lurker

If Hillary had been elected, would the fact that George Soros used his foreign fortune to buy the election for her so that his own political agenda and those of his other foreign cronies could be advanced have been grounds to call off the election?

Didn't think so.

Buckeye

Buckeye,

It's for his bowl picks. 33 bowls this year. 33 ways to apply that merde touch.

Crap. We need all the help we can get.

Just STFU Zero.

Buckeye

I mean, would you have ever put insults about your boss on a company email? I sure wouldln't!

MM, maybe if you worked for Clinton:)

Cecil Turner

This indicates that they had zero awareness of the ease with which email could be corrupted, stolen, accidentally forwarded, etc.

It seems the only thing they were worried about was having to turn them over to someone else (either congressional investigation or FOIA request)--hence the use of private servers. Clueless, but typical.

Okay. So Hillary's complaint is that the people weren't supposed to know?

Yep, pretty much. Note they don't claim Vlad lied about 'em.

common man

I am comfortably persuaded

By what, exactly? All I have seen is some vague murmurings with unnamed sources. That gets no persuasion credit from me. You have to know that Democrats in office and in the media will lie without shame, so just taking their word is not something I intend to do.

JM Hanes

Someone at the
Daily Caller noted this a couple of days ago:

Largely lost from the conversation, however, is that the DNC hack has been traced back to the Spring of 2015, long before anyone was taking the idea of a Trump presidency seriously. Of course the planning for the hack would have begun possibly much earlier, likely before Trump even declared his intention to run for president that June.
That doesn't necessarily speak to the reasons they might have released the info, of course, but this clearly wasn't just a MAGA endeavor. The Esquire article has an interesting little history of Russian hacking efforts, and I must admit, Russian hacking of the US government concerns me a whole lot more than their hacking of the DNC or the RNC for that matter, by several orders of magnitude. That's why screaming bloody murder about the Russians hacking Hillary, while giving Hillary a total pass for practically begging to be hacked is so hypocritical.

Stephanie despicable me

"That gets no persuasion credit from me. You have to know that Democrats in office and in the media will lie without shame, so just taking their word is not something I intend to do."

Exhibit A - Harry Reid in the WELL OF THE SENATE fabricating lies about Romney's tax returns then later admitting it was a lie 'BUT IT WORKED DIDN'T IT.'

Spit.

I just changed from FBN to Ancient Aliens. If I'm going to get fed a load of innuendo and could be/might be/is it possibles, at least Giorgio makes it amusing.

Jack is Back! (On his iPad)

Correction: 41 bowls this year but only 33 in my groups bowlapalooza for the jackpot.

Stephanie despicable me

41 bowls... holy cow. And there are what 110 teams in the FBS? You gotta really suck to miss out on a bowl.

lurkersusie

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Cecil Turner

By what, exactly? All I have seen is some vague murmurings with unnamed sources.

This from DHS/ODNI as noted above, was a month before the election (when most all the true believers still thought she had it in the bag, so their motivation to exaggerate is dubious). It says the Russians directed the effort, and the effect is obvious. The leaked CIA reports are consistent, and about what you'd expect to see.

As we saw in various intel kerfuffles (e.g., warrantless wiretaps or the intel leading up to the Iraq war), this is about as good as it's going to get when trying to look into somebody else's intel operations. Mostly it's reading indicators and interpreting methods . . . and most of that is conducted in secret, so from up here in the cheap seats it's primarily an exercise in cui bono. I doubt we've got great evidence, or will ever get any, or that it'd be made public if we did.

Old Lurker

Is it not simply an unavoidable fact of life that nation states will always try to crack into the electronic files of all other countries important to them? Does anyone doubt that the US, through our NSA and our orbiting snoopers, are not trying to vacuum up every piece of digital data we can?

So I have no doubt that the Russians, Chinese, and many of our friends have and are doing that all the time.

So...duh!

That they have the data does not mean they revealed it, or that they did so to defeat Hillary and elect Trump.

But even if they did, Soros did worse.

Tom Bowler

Is Donald Trump a Threat to Democracy?

By STEVEN LEVITSKY and DANIEL ZIBLATT DEC. 16, 2016

Donald J. Trump’s election has raised a question that few Americans ever imagined asking: Is our democracy in danger?

No. Donald J. Trump’s election is the answer to the question: Is our democracy in danger?

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

OL,
As dismaying as it may seem George Soros has been a US citizen almost as long as I've been alive.

JM Hanes

Cecil:

"I am comfortably persuaded the Russians did hack (in the sense of helping get true information from the DNC), and they did it to "help" Trump (but I'm also convinced they didn't want him elected)."

I'm afraid I'm not sure what you mean by wanting to "help" Trump but not wanting to elect him.

I'm comfortably persuaded that the Russians hacked the DNC, but I suspect they assumed Hillary would win the election just like almost everyone else did, and were mainly interested in undercutting her image and authority as the prospective Prez. Putin is more a more stick than carrot type, and seems to have a far bigger appetite for humiliating his adversaries than cultivating friends.

buccaneer morgan

So soros is behind the 'fake news' scrub on Zuckerberg, shocker.

Old Lurker

Iggy, now don't go interrupting a good rant with facts...

:-)

buccaneer morgan

There was one Russian outfit, academy of something or other, that took credit for the initial dnc hack.

Buckeye

Is it not simply an unavoidable fact of life that nation states will always try to crack into the electronic files of all other countries important to them? Does anyone doubt that the US, through our NSA and our orbiting snoopers, are not trying to vacuum up every piece of digital data we can?

Exactly right OL.

I have a nephew who spent 4 years attached (he was Army) to the NSA at Ft. Meade running SIGINT satellites. This is a 24/7/365 activity with tons of birds in space.

He told me that no other country comes even close to our capability.

common man

The same guys who missed the Russian move into Crimea? Who were certain there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?

Now they are certain of this? History is teaching me to be just a tad skeptical...

buccaneer morgan

Well too much can be made of the latter, but their track record was rather spotty before.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

I'm not comfortably persuaded by anything known DC peckerwoods say on camera let alone unnamed sources with God knows what and how many axes to grind.

As awful as Putin is, it I had Trump's ear I'd recommend he give Vlad the presidential medal of freedom, not only for protecting us from the doomsday threat of Hillary, but, channeling Barry, as the guy who meant the most to Trump personally.

I'm open to a nomination as Undersecretary in Charge of Prog Trolling if anyone knows Teh Donald.

buccaneer morgan

Of course bashir can 'murder' his way through to legitimacy, have your friend flathead explain hams rules to you.

buccaneer morgan

Ah yes the San Angeles way of dealing with threats.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Andy McCarthy made the same point a day or two ago; that he presumes the Russki(e)s have attempted to influence pretty much every US election.
Here it is.

matt, deplore me if you must

The Left are doing their best to de-legitimize Trump despite the fact that he won fair and square. I think this is going to blow back at them one more time.

They invented the term "truthiness" and fell in love with Stewart and Colbert. Now they can't tell the difference between facts and opinion (they never really could, anyway). It was the left who have deceived the American People for the past 75 years.

From Duranty to the Rosenbergs to Alger Hiss it was always the Birchers who were supposed to be the crazies.

That has now been permanently turned on its ear. Hillary is deep in denial and her acolytes are still melting down.

And what is funnier than hell is that they attempted to hack the Republican Party servers and failed. I guess the Republicans were smart enough not to use the "password" password.

Clinton's campaign was more akin to Kim Jong Un and his commissars than to a real presidential campaign. The wheat harvest has improved 200%!

Yesterday's news was about a local community college instructor who is apparently in hiding because of death threats because of her outburst in class and another who was using one of the massacres to call for gun control. After the UVA scandal and all of the others, and especially the 2 BC kids who were accused the other day of racial slurs, these people simply have no credibility left. Athletic departments have been Stalinized now. We are almost to the point where the denouncers will be denouncing each other.

Reality is really gonna suck for these people.

common man

I got Barry on my screen with the sound muted. Better for my blood pressure that way...

buccaneer morgan

Swell its more like Dr evil, but fraud bissima is the candidate,

Thomas Collins
"I hate to be the troll."

Being the house troll obviously takes a toll on you, DublinDaveMakeTrollingGreatAgain. Console yourself with a Jameson shot and pickle juice chaser.

Cecil Turner

I'm comfortably persuaded that the Russians hacked the DNC, but I suspect they assumed Hillary would win the election just like almost everyone else did, and were mainly interested in undercutting her image and authority as the prospective Prez.

Exactly. And by undercutting her, they "helped" Trump. And I bet they wish they hadn't (though I still don't think it was decisive).

buccaneer morgan

It was the goau'ld, Stephanie, particularly ball.

Jack is Back! (On his iPad)

Let me get this right.

Our ex-Secretary of State sets up her own non-secured private server and non-governmental email account to conduct sensitive and in some cases compartmentalized top secret diplomacy on the part of the USA. She deletes 33K emails that may have classified information or evidence of pay-to-play involving foreign interests and her own family foundation.

But we are now being harped at by her donors, supporters and apologists that it was the Russians with Trump's wink and a nod that stole the election from her even though she, her campaign manager and parties HQ couldn't secure their digital operations any better than Target or Yahoo, both of whom supported Clinton openly.

But it's the Russians who elected Trump.

Is that the gist of it?

buccaneer morgan

And Louise munch, the wannabe 'normal desmond' dials to eleventh.

common man

Pretty much Wizard of Oz in reverse, pay huge attention to the man behind the curtain, and ignor that Dorothy was putting the silverware in her purse...

Captain Hate

Has anybody noted that the Slimes is vacating 8 floors in its headquarters building in line with what has become a not particularly good trolling operation? All offices are being converted to open space.

Welcome to the hard way, losers; the choice was yours.

Dave (in MA)

Early in the Obama era they'd faint. Now they just get sick.

James D

JiB @ 3:17

Yes, that's pretty much it.

buccaneer morgan

So Carlos slim won't some space for his own enterprises there.

Dave (in MA)

Ol' Flapears, self-centered douche until the end.

Dave (in MA)

How in the hell did those crafty Rooskies ever figger out how to hack John "'password' password" Podesta?

Captain Hate

Zippy is again acting like he's been an outsider whenever any security breaches happened over the last eight years, aside from all the security briefings he blew off for Sportcenter and golfing.

Dave (in MA)

Democrat operative Raddatz wants to know if Trump's tweets embolden Russia.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Dave,

Seriously, did she ask that?

Yes, all Vlad does is look at a tweet like "Thank you, Iowa!" and immediately he is emboldened to what? Invade Crimea? Oh, wait....

buccaneer morgan

Mensch, earlier attacked Tulsi not for stupid stuff in north Dakota, but her refusal to go along with the jamboree against Syria.

Captain Hate

Zippy has been boning up on the one China policy by reading Foreign Policy for Dummies.

Captain Hate

Any hard hitting questions on the ChiComs swiping an underwater drone or do those start after 1/20?

Truthbetold5

Megyn Kelly fails to ask even one legitimate question to James Alefantis over ‘Pizzagate’ conspiracy

Is Megyn Kelly involved in a cover-up of the ‘Pizzagate’ conspiracy?

https://www.intellihub.com/megyn-kelly-fails-to-ask-one-legitimate-question-alefantis-pizzagate/

buccaneer morgan

Its his peanut gallery, they must be allowed to grieve i mean clap.

I noted meagain's memoir acknowledgements include a shout out to the perky Katie

common man

Still droning on. No wonder the reporter got sick. Thank the Lord for a mute button...

henry - drunk on prog tears

новый поток

New thread.

Dave (in MA)

MM it was an exact quote if I transcribed it right.

🗽

That clinton audio, no video for some reason, is a direct appeal to the electoral college, rhe electors, to coup the popular vote cuz of the commies menace. ISIS fell through.

Electors cuoping the vote arent there to overturn us, ever. They should be brought up on treason and hilly for her positional demand.

Democracy of convenience.....

jor

republicans are now pro-russia and pro-facist.
Good job guys.

I'm sure Regan would be proud of you all.

You are going to be embarrassed explaining any of this to your grandchildren.

jor

HEH Putin is now the GOP mascot. No longer party of Regan.

PLEASE Lets start getting more posts on here that are more on message telling us how we need ot turn american more into Russia.

TM -- you have your orders from Trump -- get in line.

jor

tribal idiots

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/gop-russia-putin-support-232714

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