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March 30, 2017

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henry

Fits right in with John Doe, wiretapping Trump, etc. No more rule of law for the progs: rule of power. Too bad they overreached and are losing that power. Beyond a problem that they are trying to go to a hot civil war over this.

maryrose

Henry:
Your explanation of what happened in Milwaukee has made this kind of treachery more in focus for me. Thanks!

lurkersusie

Chuck Ross‏ @ChuckRossDC
Statement from Flynn's lawyer acknowledging discussions w/ House and Senate Intel Committees, no mention of FBI.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/847590500056137728/photo/1

Jack is Back!

The press and the courts will suffer among the citizens from this.

Stephanie despicable me

Big fire in midtown Atlanta and part of I-85 has collapsed. Yuge fire and massive traffic jam as I-85 is now closed in both directions. The fire was under the flyover part of I-85 near Piedmont and boy are people going to have fun trying to get to work for the next few months.

narciso

Yikes Stephanie,

Yes unpeople (atc) don't matter, Henry.

Captain Hate

The press and the courts will suffer among the citizens from this

Another Carlos Slim bloodletting? Oh noes...

anonamom

Link to last page

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2017/03/freedom-of-the-press-intermittently/comments/page/69/#comments

daddy

Thanks Joan. I have Lou Dobbs on tape delay and at the half hour segment of his show he reports via Breaking News as you mention above, that General Flynn has not offered to testify for Immunity.

The WSJ reported that he did, but now Lou says John Roberts has been told that that is false.

jimmyk

Carrying over from the last thread: maybe the optics are bad, but remember that when it seemed like the bill would pass, Dems were ridiculing the bill as just Ocare II. So if it had passed, the Dems would be gleefully declaring victory.

I'm not saying it wouldn't be better if the bill had passed, but I honk the jury is still out.

Clarice Feldman

Steph, will people have trouble getting to the Atl airport? My brother is planning to fly out tomorrow.

jimmyk

Honk? Try "think".

Captain Hate

Planned Parenthood and biomedical company StemExpress, which was also featured in the videos, have another remedy for the harm that was done to them: They can sue Daleiden and Merritt for damages. The state doesn’t need to threaten the pair with prison time.

Discovery for Planned Genocide and DeathExpress would be brutal.

daddy

“The president and his allies have been deliberately feeding her (Katie Walsh )fake information in order to find her network,” says a source close to the president’s family. “It’s been going well.”

Wonder if she told the WSJ about General Flynn's Immunity offer?

maryrose

I agree with Jane.

deplorable

Of course you do, maryrose.

daddy

I'm going to put Davod in the group of those who can't be spooked into joining the RINO stampede along with Iggy, Clarice, JiB, peter, OL and moi.

Have I missed anyone?

Posted by: Captain Hate

Me!

Clarice Feldman

These fights are absurd, frankly--you'd all donate kidneys to eachother if they were needed.
Now simmer down

les nessman

Posted by: anonamom | March 30, 2017 at 07:55 PM

Thanks amom

narciso

From the previous thread

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/03/30/irving-mayor-leaving-for-job-in-trump-administration/?e=v*Lp07KYCgDRbw

jimmyk

Sheesh, when traveling I end up being subjected to CNN, aka the 24/7 Trump-Russia station. Unbelievable. Parody is dead.

Any speculation on what Flynn might say under immunity?

windansea

Have I missed anyone?

Posted by: Captain Hate

No offense but you're just a noob transplant from Hotair compared to many here and have no business drawing lines.


Miss Marple the Deplorable

I am sitting here in my own corner, disgusted with both sides.

If you guys haven't read "The Art of the Deal." get yourselves a copy.

Everyone thinks I am a cheerleader and groupie. I don't care.

Here's a quote from the book:

"You can apply all kinds of pressure, make all sorts of pleas and threats, contribute large sums of money to their campaigns, and generally it gets you nothing. But raise the possibility of bad press, even in an obscure publication, and most politicians will jump. Bad press translates into potential lost votes, and if a politician loses enough votes, he won't get reelected."

Who has gotten bad press on this issue?

House Freedom Caucus
Paul Ryan

Read the book.

daddy

Betts was thrown out of the Allman Bros. because of his boozing. Imagine being too much of a boozer to be in a band with Gregg Allman.

Holy Moly! I didn't know that Dave (in Ma).

Captain Hate

Being accused of coming from Hot Air is offensive.

windansea

Being accused of coming from Hot Air is offensive

Yeah, and so is your supposed list of non rino Jomers

narciso

It ends up like the battle of leipzig, or central park in anchorman 2
http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/30/exclusive-ex-obama-official-responds-to-allegations-she-spread-trump-intel-video

She forgot the first rule of fight club.

narciso

No its gone zombie, Jimmy.

jimmyk

"Who has gotten bad press on this issue?"

MM, the only problem I have with that is that the Art of the Deal was written when it was actually possible for a Democrat to get bad press. About the only case in the last 20 years is Weiner, and look what he had to do to get on the bad side of the MSM.

RattlerGator

I'm late to the party from the last thread, won't be able to truly engage the board for a few days yet, and am somewhat contravening Brainiac but . . . I started this response a while back and want to go ahead and get it off my chest:

Those aren't questions; they're three bullet points of an indictment...with a snotty chaser.

Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkywatzky | March 30, 2017 at 02:36 PM

Agreed.

These are some difficult times; we're going to necessarily disagree in interesting and sometimes varied ways. But that's the genius of the system the founders set up and is the reason, IMHO, the Freedom Caucus *is* absolutely the problem right now. Clear demonstrations of bad faith are a killer for me, and on the question of this bill -- they clearly operated in bad faith. Now they want to mimic National Review prior to their #NeverTrump issue -- insisting on the purity of their conservatism.

((( sigh )))

A reminder to everyone: you take a dump on the founders when you pull the kind of stunt the Freedom Caucus pulled. The entire damn system is predicated upon acquiescing to the type of principled compromise offered in that bill. A compromise on a problem of longstanding that *can't* be solved with a simple one-sentence repeal, by the way.

Not only do you take a dump on the Founders but also on Tom Price *and* (yes) a President who singularly put the Freedom Caucus in position to substantively make the kind of bad decision they made. Trump accomplished the feat by improbably and unconventionally winning the Presidency.

Our system demands compromise but it also requires operating in good faith. The President was up front about his bright lines -- who doesn't understand that? Who can't grasp that?

So, the Freedom Caucus has earned our rebuke and that of the President because IT APPEARS they are singularly FAILING us right now (I certainly could be convinced otherwise). Maryrose, your 2:38 p.m. comment is posted below:

Iggy:

These times we live in are little light years away from the Reagan years.

Not a fair comparison because most Dems today are dishonorable liars and not to be trusted in my opinion.

Posted by: maryrose | March 30, 2017 at 02:38 PM

IMHO, this only serves to make the point more of just how egregiously wrong the Freedom Caucus was in their bad faith. And jimmyk/Porchlight, there was no need for the Freedom Caucus to sign on to the bill up front. The *need* was for them to state their bright line in the beginning as clearly as the President stated *his* bright line up front.

Doing so would have allowed for principled negotiation; they didn't do so. And because they didn't, the surprise action they subsequently took aided those lying Democrats maryrose referenced; just look at how much they are crowing right now, right? Yeah, they would have faked some nonsense had the bill passed about it being O-care2, but that would have worked to OUR advantage and opened them up to severe P.R. blowback.

Do right by this President, House Freedom Caucus. Do it now. His tweets are a clear indication to me that POTUS-45 doesn't believe he was dealt with in good faith.

Captain Hate

Weiner doesn't even get bad press; they pretend he never existed.

daddy

Just recapitulating for the JOMers arriving even later than me:

---Hillary and 6 aides were given access to DoS classified records after she left the govt and while she was campaigning.

Posted by: Clarice

---That explains how Fargas got access to the "incidental" Trump policy surveillance.

Posted by: henry

narciso

Like Corporal ogilvy and the malabar front:

https://www.wired.com/2017/03/valerians-biggest-pr-problem-everything-first/

peter-

Betts was thrown out of the Allman Bros. because of his boozing. Imagine being too much of a boozer to be in a band with Gregg Allman.

Well, at least he didn't marry Cher....

bunky

Fox is unwatchable

Bubarooni

"...that General Flynn has not offered to testify for Immunity...."

I was watching it on CNN and they were breathless.

David Gergin said the development was most profound.

More fake news?

daddy

Irving Mayor Leaving For Job In Trump Administration

said Thursday she will soon be working for the Trump Administration.

She made the announcement at a luncheon.

She did not say what her position will be.

Well Katie Walsh just created an opening!

Bubarooni

"Being accused of coming from Hot Air is offensive."

What's this 'Hot Air' thingy?

(A roundabout way of saying 'I'm innocent.)

narciso

Well Nunez spokesman among others said no, but listen to the thalosian voices instead.

narciso

we call it tepid,

rse

Steph-if this is an accident it is the most fortuitous and best placed one ever.

I just watched deal's eyes and I have met him more than once. He is scared.

Clarice-I think there will be tremendous pressure with all major businesses tomorrow to let people telecommute or just roll in tomorrow to the metro wide spring break starting.

Steph knows where I live basically and it smells like chemicals outside.

henry

rse, what is underneath that elevated stretch? Lots of smoke in the still shots. As I recall heat will cook cement to powder (that's basically how cement is made prior to the add water and set part). It seems timed for rush hour more or less -- any cars drop with that section of pavement?

Miss Marple the Deplorable

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/03/30/rush-limbaugh-discusses-evelyn-farkas-admissions-of-surveillance-and-intelligence-leaking/#more-130702

Miss Marple the Deplorable

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/03/30/evelyn-farkas-attempts-to-explain-only-digs-hole-further/#comments

daddy

The letter Trump's attorney wrote (even mentioning Farkas) is wonderful.

Posted by: joan

Joan, or anyone have a link?

narciso

The Atlanta news made it to rt

www.oann.com/no-evidence-trump-russia-connection

Stephanie Deplorable Beeotch

Sorry, went out to grab a bite to eat.

Traffic is going to be hell in Atlanta for the next 2 months minimum.

Clarice, I'd suggest he hang to the perimeter highway (I-285) to get to the airport and even that road is going to be clogged. Bad.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/large-fire-shuts-down-interstate/507589453

You can see the extent of the fire here and the aftermath.

narciso

I know consider the source:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Acosta/status/847533658265313280/photo/1

Stephanie Deplorable Beeotch

More pix...

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/alternate-routes-to-get-you-around-i-85-bridge-collapse/507621501

rse, I figured you would have some effects... the smoke was blowing straight for Brookhaven and Pill Hill.

It reminded me of the fire in Doraville in the 70s when one of those gas storage tanks blew up. That stunk for weeks.

narciso

I think Tommy boy maduro is vetting black robes Ala palpatine

http://www.oann.com/venezuela-top-court-to-assume-congress-role-opposition-decries-dictatorship

Exdemocrat

Daddy - see here https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/03/30/white-house-plays-nunes-trump-card-to-expose-staff-leaker-and-call-out-oversight-gang-of-eight/amp/

daddy

---Hillary and 6 aides were given access to DoS classified records after she left the govt and while she was campaigning.

Posted by: Clarice

---Clarice - and may STILL have it.

Posted by: exdemocrat

Exdem,

I'd like one of the first set of questions asked under oath to Farcus to be what is your current security Clearance status, who gave you that Clearance Status, when was it given to you, when is the last time you looked at any Classified or Top Secret material, who provided the Classified or Top Secret material to you, where and when, and who did you pass that info on to?

As for Katie Walsh, is she likely to be brought up on criminal prosecution? If she did what she is alleged to have done, I would certainly think so.

daddy

Thanks ExDem.

Threadkiller

Drawing lines separating who is and who isn't allowed to draw lines is acceptable if you have been in line long enough.

New people should shut up.

Exdemocrat

In her mental echo chamber, she's a hero speaking truth to power, daddy

Threadkiller

Speaking of lines, I am of the opinion that the FC is a SuperPac at best. I have not and will not pin this mess on them, but I certainly won't praise them for hiding their elixir until after the patient croaked.

Where does that place me?

Probably bench warmer...

Exdemocrat

There are two kinds of jom'ers: those who divide jom'ers into two kinds of people and those who don't ...

narciso

The problem is the following, they heard x and disclosing it would be a felony, but they said it was y or z, except for the unmasking.

Good gravy that senate hearing was ridiculous.

Threadkiller

LOL!

That will require a vain diagram, exdem.

mad jack

ATL traffic sucked when I lived there in the early 80's. Add 35 years of yankees moving in and 85 on fire...good luck kids.

Clarice Feldman

That dope McCain is trying to "negotiate" a deal to avoid killing the fillibuster per wretchard. Give him the hook already.

narciso

I think we've had eight years to conclude he is a knave, not merely a fool

maryrose

Clarice:
McCain is now a liability.
Dems are counting on the Republicans being stupid again.
Watch him vote against ending the filibuster.

mad jack

now if we are start applying purity tests at JOM then i think we should start with pass/fail. you fail if you don't think McCain should drown in a vat of Budweiser supplied by his wife's bud franchise.

Threadkiller

As long as he doesn't get a Natural 'Born on' date, Mad Jack.

;-)

Nytol

rse

henry-they were stowing pvc pipe there but also the HERO road incidents units. It is less than 200 yards from the marta trolley barn.

It burned fast and hot and something ignited that. I was telling Red who drives by there to work everyday that as the crow flies it is also right by the gay nightclub where eric rudolph practiced his bombmaking skills before the big time show at the aatnat 96 olympics.

They have brought in the fire trucks from hartsfield created to put out the high temps of a jet fuel fire and they have now been spraying foam for more than two hours.

mad jack

can't get anything by you, TK! good one.

Another Bob

Rise: "most fortuitous and best placed"

?????

Another Bob

Rise = rse

Clarice Feldman

Yes, he is a liability--a big liability

narciso

That would spoil a perfectly good vat.

mad jack

That would spoil a perfectly good vat.


i'm willing to risk it...for the children

Miss Marple the Deplorable

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/30/mike-rogers-pushes-border-wall-bill/?utm_source=onesignal&utm_campaign=pushnotify&utm_medium=push

2% fee on remittances. Mexico will pay for the wall.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

https://twitter.com/Sen_JoeManchin/status/847542837952614401

Joe Manchin will vote to confirm Gorsuch.

daddy

Hannity doing a good TV show so far, focused entirely on Farcus, and now Newt Gingrich is on to add commentary. He says that currently we have a 1 sided Witch Hunt and compares our current corruption to the sort of corruption that led to the Fall of Rome. Newt straightforward says we are looking at multiple felonies and he can't figure out why there are not already ongoing significant real investigations by the Republicans. He questions what is going on in the mind of Republican Burr on the Intel Gang of 8, as does anyone with a lick of common sense who is paying attention.

maryrose

Daddy:
I agree with Newt.
This Trump/Russia thing is a red herring.
A look squirrel to deflect from all the felonies in the Obama gang.
Also Kerry and Susan Rice are the ones who shut up Comey over the summer.

Stephanie Deplorable Beeotch

GDOT spokesman: I-85 will be closed in both directions “for the foreseeable future.”

Spring breakers are in for some trouble...

maryrose

Well today Burr got a look at the wiretapping surveillance info so that should set a fire under him.
Yesterday he said he would go where the evidence leads and Warner agreed after making some remark about President Trump's tax returns.

jor

what I find hilarious is all the hidden felnonies in the obama administration that were never found with 6 years of republican congress and inane investigations.

the delusions here are astounding.

Stephanie Deplorable Beeotch

They are closing some school districts because of the fire. SMDH

lurkersusie

maryrose,
Well today Burr got a look at the wiretapping surveillance info so that should set a fire under him.

Where did you see this^^^^^^^

lurkersusie

Big if true

Ann Coulter‏ @AnnCoulter
Here's one! Under GOP bill, it remained illegal to sell me a health ins plan at any price that allows cancer treatmt at Sloan Kettering.

windansea

New people should shut up.

Posted by: Threadkiller | March 30, 2017 at 09:32 PM

wrong, new people, old people have opinions. Nobody draws lines that mean anything. Of course they can, if they want to look ridiculous.

Momto2

One local news report says up to 6 MONTHS to repair the bridge on I-85. Why in the world would it take that long? Let's get Trump to help - I bet he would get it built faster (and cheaper!)

I'm just glad I don't have to drive into Atl every day. It will be brutal.

Clarice Feldman

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/three-white-house-officials-tied-to-files-shared-with-house-intelligence-chairman/2017/03/30/de4b8c30-1589-11e7-9e4f-09aa75d3ec57_story.html?utm_term=.ed425d7b10a3

Someone smarter than I am has to explain where's the beef here?

Miss Marple the Deplorable

windandsea,

I have no objections to people putting me in one box or another. It's part of posting on a site such as this. I am sure that people have their own categories for posters, even if they don't speak their minds.

I just would like people to remain civil and not ascribe base motives to others' opinions.

Frau  Erdnuss

windansea - I do believe TK was kidding but WDIK?

Typical of the right to snarl and snipe at each other. The left demands and receives lockstep; "Bernie and the Believers" thought his candidacy was legitimate while it only provided cover for Her Thighness on her stumble towards the WH.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Clarice,

This seems to be a lot of "sounding official" writing but not covering much of anything.

Seems to me like White House was doing their job which of course the opposing forces do not want, so they are trying to frame it as something sinister.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

jor,

I will check back to see if you are laughing next week.

You didn't read Trump's book, did you?

Frau  Erdnuss

Clarice, I am losing *all* faith in anything the WaPo writes these days. Who is the WaPo's Maggie Haberman?

Frau  Erdnuss

@11:00 - SOB, all the way.

Miss M. - in fairy tales, trolls could not read. It seems to be a dominant gene.

JimNorCal

Ann Coulter weighs in on healthcare.
http://www.truthrevolt.org/commentary/coulter-health-care-plan-so-simple-even-republican-can-understand

Perhaps you're not aware -- SINCE YOU EXEMPTED YOURSELVES FROM OBAMACARE, CONGRESS -- but buying or selling health insurance is illegal in America.

Right now, there's no free market because insurance is insanely regulated not only by Obamacare, but also by the most corrupt organizations in America: state insurance commissions. (I'm talking to you, New York!)

Federal and state laws make it illegal to sell health insurance that doesn't cover a laughable array of supposedly vital services based on bureaucrats' medical opinions of which providers have the best lobbyists.
...
This is how it works today:

ME: I'm perfectly healthy, but I'd like to buy health insurance for heart disease, broken bones, cancer, and everything else that a normal person would ever need, but no more.

INSURANCE COMPANY: That will be $700 a month, the deductible is $35,000, no decent hospital will take it, and you have to pay for doctor's visits yourself. But your plan covers shrinks, infertility treatments, sex change operations, autism spectrum disorder treatment, drug rehab and 67 other things you will never need.

INSURANCE COMPANY UNDER ANN'S PLAN: That will be $50 a month, the deductible is $1,000, you can see any doctor you'd like, and you have full coverage for any important medical problems you could conceivably have in a million years.

Mine is a two-step plan (and you don't have to do the second step, so it's really a one-step plan).

STEP 1: Congress doesn't repeal Obamacare! Instead, Congress passes a law, pursuant to its constitutional power to regulate interstate commerce, that says: "In America, it shall be legal to sell health insurance on the free market. This law supersedes all other laws, taxes, mandates, coverage requirements, regulations or prohibitions, state or federal.”
...
Within a year, most Americans will be buying health insurance on the free market (and half of the rest will be illegal aliens). We'll have TV ads with cute little geckos hawking amazing plans and young couples bragging about their broad coverage and great prices from this or that insurance company.
...
Until the welfare program is decoupled from the insurance market, nothing will work. Otherwise, it's like forcing grocery stores to pay for everyone to have a house. A carton of milk would suddenly cost $10,000.
...
Perhaps Democrats will come out and admit that they need to fund health insurance for the poor by forcing middle-class Americans to pay for it through their insurance premiums -- because otherwise, they'd have to raise taxes, and they want to keep their Wall Street buddies' income taxes low.

Good luck with that!
...
With cheap plans available, a lot of the greedy will go ahead and buy a free market plan. Who wants to stand in line at the DMV to see a doctor when your neighbors have great health care plans for $50 a month?

We will have separated the truly unfortunate from the loudmouthed bullies who simply enjoy forcing other people to pay for their shrinks and aromatherapy.

Clarice Feldman

I don't see what's wrong about giving evidence of wrongdoing to a committee investigating it. OTOH it reads as though the fbI and CIA were guning for Flynn and his associate (Cohen) in the wh and may have even planted a CIA mole there to work under Cohen who they finally kicked out.

Captain Hate

Of course they can, if they want to look ridiculous.

Ok, windansea, what's this really about? I don't think you and I have been at cross purposes before and thought that you might have intended your original statements as constructive criticism and let it drop. But then I read this and wonder what's really going on.

Skoot

John R. Parkinson ABC:"Jack Langer, Spox for Chmn Nunes at House Intel: "No, Michael Flynn has not offered to testify to HPSCI in exchange for immunity."

Fake news.

lurkersusie

Has anyone confirmed or denied Nunes sources?

Frau  Erdnuss

Speaking of fake news, is that site still going that pretends that Curb Dive is the preezy and the world is in good hands--as long as Huma can keep her mistress upright?

Clarice Feldman

does it matter, lurker susie? Assume these were the sources--they have clearance and evidence relevant to a Congressional hearing and offer it to the chair of the intel committee who also has clearance. what am I missing? The real story is the deep state ops in this IMO.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

It's late.

Nytol!

 joan

Has anyone read this? Oh, I would love for this woman to live in stress and anxiety because of what she put the police through.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/freddie-gray/bs-md-ci-mosby-lawsuit-to-proceed-20170106-story.html

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