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July 11, 2017

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Bubarooni

Ha!

Rajimov

What is the value of nothing?

Dave (in MA)

http://legalinsurrection.com/2017/07/scarborough-conveniently-forgets-hillary-getting-oppo-research-help-from-foreign-interests/

Miss Marple the Deplorable

As Ari Fleischer said, it's oppo research. Hillary was working with the Ukrainians.

henry

Consider:

1. the Russian gal is linked to Fusion GPS of"dossier" production

2. the email chain shows lots of "intercept me" stuff on the non Don Jr side-- Russian Government mentioned in each response.

3. It was leaked to the NYT (by Comey?)

Sounds like a set up to use to "discover" then present as evidence for the need for a FISA warrant vs Trump family / associates. Didn't Comey try for one around mid June? Would you believe pure fabrication to enable political espionage against the Trump campaign / transition team? I do.

Porchlight

henry's got it.

Rajimov

Do we know which Dems (& Repubs & FBI employees) worked with Fusion GPS & various foreigners on the phony Trump dossier?

Captain Hate

ScarredBurro is exhibit A on the absolute human garbage that makes it through the GOP's RIGOROUS VETTING to present to the voters as the best and brightest.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

henry,

I also agree.

Bubarooni

I wish some legal beagle would explain exactly what laws Jr. has violated.

Everyone on TV has seemed so breathless that they just haven't been able to muster the wind to speak of just what was actually done that fell afoul of the law.

Captain Hate

jor, how do you explain the Polish missile defense and energy deals as being part of Russian collusion?

Rajimov

How is alleged evidence of collusion between Hillary and the Russians from the email turned into evidence of collusion between Trump and the Russians?

Miss Marple the Deplorable

This is a comment on the Don Jr. emails over on CTH. It's long, but well worth considering.

"No doubt some of you may have seen that Trump Jnr has just released his entire email chain concerning his supposed collusion with Russian government officials to get dirt on Clinton.

The legacy media have predictably jumped on this as smoking gun evidence of Russian government officials working with Trump to bring down Clinton.

They’re so blinded by their hatred / TDS that they have completely failed to see what’s going on here.

Remember, Treepers – principle #1 , as demonstrated by Sundance ad nauseam : Trump is a strategic genius – nothing happens on his team without his express authority and meticulous planning.

Now note #2 – this is a deliberate release of Trump Jnrs email chain by the Trump camp. It comes after a NYT story reporting on it after receiving leaks, with Trump Jnr’s explanation that the meeting was odd – and (important!) suggestions that this might be a set-up.

In other words, the release has been pre-planned by Trump & Bannon.

Now, a question – if the content of the email had any truth to it, why would Trump Jnr release this? On the advice of lawyers? Doubtful. To quell speculation? They know full well that this release will do the exact opposite. And if it would damage his son, would Trump approve it’s release – again, no.

So why release it? It makes Trump look weak. It plays into the collusion smear. It emboldens his enemies, who assume their great enemy is weak.

Stop there.

What does Sun Tzu say? Make your enemies believe you are weak.

He also says to strike when your enemies least expect it.

Which is where we need to consider Trump’s objective in releasing the email chain/ statement via his son.

First point – Trump Jnr is strongly suggesting that this was a deliberate set up. The email and statement are very carefully linked to suggest this.

Second point – Trump Snr tweeted about Comey’s leaking just a few days ago, out of the blue.

Third point – Trump Snr tweeted about Podesta and the DNC server issue in the last few days.

Fourth point – Trump Jnr hasn’t done anything wrong at all. He’s doing far less than Clinton did with the Ukrainian government.

Connect the dots, Treepers.

What if Trump already knows (and has certain proof) that this entire meeting was a deliberate entrapment of his son by the DNC & Clinton campaign, working with Fusion GPS.

That the meeting was set up in the exact period of the so-called DNC ‘hack’ by ‘The Russians’, which started the fake Trump/Russia smear nonsense off in the first place.

That the NYT story is a deep state (Comey or Mueller) leak. How on earth did the NYT get access to Trump Jnrs email chain?

Hell, what if he knows EVERYTHING, including the DNC server, Clintons missing emails, the lot. What if he’s known for a long time. As I’ve been saying on these threads a long time, I think he does and has been waiting for the right time to begin the attack (calibrated to decimate the Dems & RINOs before the midterms).

He could follow the conventional route, of course. Make an allegation. But that’s not his style and it gives his enemies too much room to slime out of trouble. A far more effective strategy is to hang this out as bait, luring his enemies to shout they have smoking gun evidence, before demonstrating that the same enemies fabricated the evidence and tried to entrap his son.

Bring down NYT, Podesta, the DNC & Comey in one strike. Then go 100% into ClintonGate and ObamaGate.

Don’t bet against it. My prediction – this will turn out to be an extremely clever move by Trump Snr."
.

Captain Hate

Btw, TM, excellent troll attracting thread title.

Rajimov

Grassley needs to push hard on the Fusion GPS angle in all of this.

henry

Tax rates make a difference across borders, maybe WI needs a southern wall.

Tom Maguire
What is the value of nothing?

Part of the excitement will be watching Team Mueller attempt to turn the solicitation of ultimately valueless info as illegal (since the value was not known at the outset.)

The Olympic Gymnastics may end up in LA but they will begin in DC.

Jack is Back!

Derschowitz, more a liberal democrat than jor says collusion is not a crime. But he forgot that Trump and his family are now republicans and those judicial values do not apply to them like they do to the Clinton Crime Family and their windfall profits from selling out the country's uranium supply or the treason committed by the Obama administration with their Iran deal.

Rajimov

From the Circa story that came out the same day as the original NYT email article it does seems like the Trump team had been investigating the origins of the meeting long before the NYT published the story.

From Circa article:
"“We have learned from both our own investigation and public reports that the participants in the meeting misrepresented who they were and who they worked for,” said Mark Corallo, a spokesman for President Trump’s legal team. “Specifically, we have learned that the person who sought the meeting is associated with Fusion GPS, a firm which according to public reports, was retained by Democratic operatives to develop opposition research on the President and which commissioned the phony Steele dossier. ""

"These developments raise serious issues as to exactly who authorized and participated in any effort by Russian nationals to influence our election in any manner,” Corallo said.

https://www.circa.com/story/2017/07/08/donald-trump-jr-met-with-russian-lawyer-during-election-but-didnt-follow-up

The deep state is getting desperate and sloppy.

Captain Hate

Parody is officially dead:

http://tammybruce.com/2017/07/cnn-analyst-claims-trump-admin-invented-new-term-stagflation.html

Porchlight

"This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government support for Mr. Trump"

It's hilarious in its subtlety, isn't it?

18 August 1973

Memo to File

SUBJECT: CYA


Miss Marple the Deplorable

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/07/11/a-riptide-swept-away-a-florida-family-then-beachgoers-formed-a-human-chain/?tid=ss_fb-amp

Well worth reading, and if the WaPo would do more stories like this than "Russia" I might visit their site more often.

Our country has lots of good people.

David, Internet Deplorable

Bubarooni, you seem willfully naive. Donald Trump and his campaign violated federal statute USC 18 470.1. Interference with the election of the anointed first female president ever, a crime that carries with a statutory minimum sentence of death.

glasater

I did a screen shot of The Gipper Lives parody from a couple of threads back, hooked it into twitter and it is being very well received.

Dave (in MA)

Get that CNN imbecile a WIN Button, stat.

Dave (in MA)

Emergency, everybody to get from street.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Brian Stelter‏Verified account @brianstelter
Replying to @brianstelter @DonaldJTrumpJr

Confirmed from an NYT source: "We were preparing to publish" story -- Don Jr. camp "asked for more time" to comment "and then pre-empted us"

==============================================

Hahahaha!

Porchlight

It gets better, MM. Here is the reporter who "broke" the story crying in his beer that Don Jr scooped him.

It does not get more pathetic.

Jared Yates Sexton @JYSexton

I...worked on this story for a year...and...he just...he tweeted it out.

8:37 AM - 11 Jul 2017

https://twitter.com/JYSexton/status/884798748152483840

Porchlight

The replies might be even more pathetic, actually.

Rajimov

"I...worked on this story for a year"

Who was intercepting and leaking private emails a year ago?

Porchlight

Seth Rich died a year ago yesterday.

It is interesting, isn't it?

Rajimov

It's almost like this phony Russia collusion story was a set up from the start long before the election. As if an insurance policy against a candidate if the polls got too close for comfort.

 narciso.

I thought he sounded familiar:
www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jared-sexton-trump-cnn-tweet_us_595a6656e4b0da2c7324d3d6

exdemocrat

narc - can the irony get any thicker? per Huffpo, NYT "journalist" jared sexton is actually "an assistant professor of creative writing."

exdemocrat

and again, i ask: "espionage"??? wtf?

 narciso.

Yes the irony forms its own singularity

https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2017/07/11/exclusive-libyan-army-spox-says-obama-clinton-abandoned-the-libyan-people-to-the-terrorists/?singlepage=true

 narciso.

He enabled the blackmailing of that teen, which led to CNN tupoleving themselves

Momto2

narc - can the irony get any thicker? per Huffpo, NYT "journalist" jared sexton is actually "an assistant professor of creative writing."

And at Georgia Southern University - in Statesboro, Ga. which is south near Savannah. He was educated in Indiana, though MM. :)

 narciso.

In fiction, the story has to make sense, they broke the first rule.

https://althouse.blogspot.com/2017/07/that-must-mean-that-don-jr-has-email.html

Rajimov

I'm guessing there was no "incidental collection" of communications involving:

- Fusion GPS
- Steele
- Rob Goldstone
- DNC
- Hillary/Podesta/Mook/Rhodes

...or maybe it was accidentally deleted after Nov 9.

Miss Marple

On my phone. Got a Fox News alert that McConnell is delaying start of August recess!

daddy

If you thought our Last Page was good, wait'll you read this one!

jimmyk

McConnell is delaying start of August recess!

He should delay it until all of Trump's nominees get a floor vote. Hit both Ds and Rs where it hurts: Recess time.

Threadkiller

Gorka doing what he does best:

https://youtu.be/WqB_GOmC0Aw

daddy

2. the email chain shows lots of "intercept me" stuff on the non Don Jr side-- Russian Government mentioned in each response.

Henry, or anyone. Just trying to catch up. What does "intercept me" mean in plane English? I don't understand. Help.

Captain Hate

Seth Rich died a year ago yesterday.

It is interesting, isn't it?

Interesting how his trash parents sold him out. They should have hired some muscle and taken on the crime family.

Btw I missed wishing everybody a happy Jeff Fisher Day on Sunday.

Davod

"narc - can the irony get any thicker? per Huffpo, NYT "journalist" jared sexton is actually "an assistant professor of creative writing."`

Any relationship to Obama Foreign Policy Adviser and aspiring novelist Ben Rhodes?

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/magazine/the-aspiring-novelist-who-became-obamas-foreign-policy-guru.html?mcubz=1

henry

Daddy, NSA screens of all international [or as some believe, simply all] communications based of whatever trigger words or phrases they look for. So if each email includes the words "Russian Government" it is guaranteed to be flagged by NSA for review. So a chain of emails from a guy in England that mention "Russian Government" in each exchange provides NSA with a pattern of flagged comms that will score higher for investigation. ie It is bait for a FISA warrant.

jimmyk

What does "intercept me" mean in plane English?

That the e-mails were intentionally written to be flagged by the NSA, presumably.

jimmyk

I seem to be 10 seconds behind everyone today.

Neo

Rumors of the death of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi have floated for weeks, with Russia insisting that one of its air strikes took out the self-proclaimed "caliph" of ISIS last month.

Just a few days ago, the terror organization executed one of its preachers for accidentally referencing Baghdadi's death.

Today, however, Iraqi News picked up reports from the city of Tal Afar that ISIS has announced the death of its leader.


The man is dead
The man is dead
This is no joke
The man did croak
And now he's dead
He's breathed his last
He's in the past
He's lost his lease
So rest in peace
The man is dead

daddy

intentionally written to be flagged by the NSA

JimmyK,

Intentionally written by who?

Don Jr? or this Rob Goldstone guy? Or the Russians? I remain confused.

Is the assumption now that Goldstone was intentionally writing these E-Mails in order to draw the attention of NSA types to look at these E-Mails? If so, who are we supposed to think Goldstone, whoever he is, was working for?

If anyone could explain it in very, very, very simple terms I would appreciate it.

glenda

Ok..the email was sent to Don Jr 6-3-16 from a previous business assoc(a media biz from U.K.) an atty (crown atty denotes U.K. To me, not Russian)..wants to meet w oppo research ..
Don Jr, Jared & Manafort meet with lady atty seeking meetup---they exchange niceties--the Russia-born--now U.K. Affirmed atty then proceeds into Magnitsky Act territory--Don Jr? Pshaws the lady and leaves (10 min at most meeting)
Life goes to on. Hillary crashes on her own failures. Trump wins--but the manipulators of "real power"--Obama, Brennan, Clapper & Comey have their false witness setup acquired blackmail, in hand to use against "real change and accountability " a Trump Presidency could bring to DC. How would their collaborators/donors expecting a Hillary status quo like that? Would the parasites at DOJ, IC, Kstreet be able to continue their control and private slush funds, with someone else in charge, say like Mike Flynn or Jeff Sessions? Who was going to employ more Mooks, Stuart Stevens, scmidtts or corrupt spies like Christopher Steele? My, God---what about our excuse of an important man, ObamA? How will he become a millionaire without being able to afford fiction writer Ben Rhodes, or Rasputin Valerie Jarret? Where were the pallets of cash for Iran coming from now?

I would start, Mr. Mueller with : why is Russian-born UK crown attorney accompanying Obama's Ambassador to Russia, and taking notes in a foreign relations committee meeting on June 14, 2016---6 days after DonJr walked out of setup to be used later meeting, with same paid operative? Foolish mistake--on tape--in public, associating with same operative now ready to spill the beans on GPS Fusion, et al !!!
Also, GPS was working for !Jeb then Rubio, then Cruz before Hillary'16 were handed their Trump oppo research. It's really a deep, dark swamp President Trump is fighting in DC....

Buckeye

I seem to be 10 seconds behind everyone today.

I have those days too jimmyk. More frequently than I would like to admit:)

Momto2

I seem to be 10 seconds behind everyone today.

That happens to me, too! Usually, it's because I was obsessed with spelling and grammar so I checked everything with preview. Meanwhile, others have posted whatever I'm about to say. Sadly, I still make many errors - oh well!

Jane

Is it too early to have a drink?

narciso

The puufington is beside itself today, particularly ryan Reilly who should have never been sprung for ferguson pokey.

henry

Jane... not too early

jimmyk

Intentionally written by who?

As henry says, in this case it seems to be the Goldstone character. He seems to have been known to the Trumps only through his music industry connections, as he was the agent for the Russian musician Emin. I am not clear on what his role is, i.e. whether someone got him to try to manipulate DT Jr., or whether he was actively in cahoots with some outfit like Fusion GPS.

jimmyk

In any case, daddy, I'd much prefer to try to explain quantum mechanics or Keynesian economics in very simple terms than this story.

henry

Note from the Chitown lurking unit:

Send Glenda my smooches!

glenda

Daddy.. every "convenient" email SENT to Don Jr, goes way obviously overboard (neon sign flashing Russia govt help Trump) --a 6,000 degree of Kevin Bacon connection, it seems.

I just happened to be watching Fox from 12:01--12:15 cst, when dates of Jr's email-of 6-3-2016-his meeting w Russian lady ( not Russia KGB) 6 days later, and video of same Russian lady accompanying Obama's Ambassador to Russia, Mike Mc Faul.?spelling? 5 days hence on 6-14-2016 to a Foreign relations committee meeting. And sitting directly behind ambassador throughout(next to his son and where family or associates sit) during his testimony.

Coincidence? Or preparation?
It was a voice over report from WH lawn by Allison?, Fox News associate on today's brouhaha.

Jane

Seems to me we need to find a person at Fusion willing to spill the beans. At this point the story is far too complicated for anyone to buy nevertheless report.

narciso


Loling all the way

https://mobile.twitter.com/mtracey/status/884839093636485122

glenda

Henry--received and back at the Windy City lurker 💋

daddy

OK,

So the Goldstone guy was the guy who 'allegedly' intentionally put Dog Whistle type words in his e-mails to Don Jr in order to get them noticed by the NSA, apparently so that they could then be referred to a FISA Judge who would authorize the FBI or the NSA or the CIA to start eavesdropping on any conversations that Don JR or Manafort or Kushner then had. Something like that?

OK. At least it makes some sense. So when do we learn more about Goldstone?

Threadkiller

So when do we learn more about Goldstone?

Shortly after he takes a Loretta Fuddy puddle-jumper and drowns in 2' of water.

daddy

Just for the record, Bret Baire looks awful as a guest on a FOX Business segment on the E-Mails. I wonder if it is because I have not watched him for 3 or 4 months now and he has slowly changed, but man he looks tired and beaten up, all puffy faced. Oh well, age happens.

henry

TK, much simpler... he will simply walk on a sidewalk and a lone wolf will happen. Fewer loose ends.

Beasts of England

Did somebody say 'drink'? Woot! :)

Dave (in MA)

Does DJTJr's preemptive tweet qualify as a limited hangout, modified or otherwise?

daddy

TK, the nice thing about this is that this is the sort of topic that can get TM motivated to really dig into all the minutia and become the Internet's expert, so hopefully he will stick around and guide us through this labyrinth of lies and innuendo's till resolution.

Threadkiller

I just attempted to listen to Hannity so I could skip another expected Michael Medved nervous breakdown.

I tuned in to hear a semi-sincere eulogy to the crew of the Marine tanker that crashed. He interrupted his thoughtful comments twice. First he mentioned that he was in the cockpit of a KC-130 with Rumsfeld, and he concluded that Diblasio is an asshole.

I think his show could be reduced to the length of a Shamwow commercial.

Threadkiller

Fewer loose ends.

Hah!

Although I do wonder how the Fuddy business escaped a thorough review with all of the loose ends it left.

Threadkiller

I'm counting on it, daddy!

Miss Marple

Hannity needs training with Tucker Carlson. Rambling like in his Atlanta radio days doesn't cut it anymore.

Dave (in MA)

Multiple self-inflicted GSWs to the back of the head.

Threadkiller

Hannity needs training with kitty litter.

Sbwaters

So who is going to tweet this:

Did a FusionGPS plant put keywords in emails to @DonaldJTrumpJr so FISA Judge would let FBI/NSA/CIA wire Trump campaign for Obama?#deepstate

Jack is Back!

Seems to me we need to find a person at Fusion willing to spill the beans. At this point the story is far too complicated for anyone to buy nevertheless report.

He better get the bullet and bomb proof room at Trump Towers. Every person who works in DC learned not to screw up like Seth Rich did. The deep state is living yuge on that one.

Threadkiller

#TooVast

daddy

OK, Here is Russian Musician Emin, standing next to Miss Universe 2012:

Here is the Donald standing next to Miss Universe 2012:

And here, between Emin and another Babe in the year 2014, is this character Rob Goldstone.

So at least now we know what the players look like.

Kevlar Kid

Goldstone's real name is "Paulie."

Jack is Back!

A caller into Rush just said: "I don't care, anymore". And Rush admitted he is behind a rock and hard place as too wether give a damn or defend Trump in all this.

I am still on the side of God's computer simulation and we all wake up tomorrow with big royalties from "House of Cards". Thanks for all the terrific acting and believability.

Threadkiller

Great...

The free world has been brought to its knees by a Buddy Hackett clone.

daddy

RG, I was dinged a point in spelling by a battleax in eighth grade for writing judgement with an “e”...

Hated her ever since. More than 50 years and counting.

Posted by: Sbwaters

Doesn't axe have an "e" at the end of it?

:)

henry

priceless tk! LOL

daddy

More Goldstone.


Somebody crossed the streams!

Miss Marple

I don't think so TK.

I don't think this will wind up where the dems hope it will.

Who got that Russian lawyer's visa denial reversed?

That was in the Obama administration. If she was an agent, who let her in?

Kevlar Kid

McGruff has found a soul mate?

Dave (in MA)

Oh, daddy. sbw is going to be mad at you now just like he's mad at me.

Jack is Back!

is it me or has Hot Air become a sewer of anti-trump condoms and shit?

daddy

Even more Goldstone.

.

Kevlar Kid

Mayor DiBlahBlah is navel lint.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4686146/Children-slain-NYPD-officer-Miosotis-Familia-funeral.html

Dave (in MA)
Buddy Hackett clone
I was thinking Big Pussy, but maybe I had too much gabagool.
Kevlar Kid

Do we need Iranian nationals to help with anything except toppling the mullahocracy?

http://nypost.com/2017/07/11/iranian-cancer-researcher-detained-under-travel-ban/?

daddy

Just saw that on catch-up, Dave:)

Ding

That's "battleaxe", sbw.

Posted by: Dave (in MA)

Now to find out what our punishment is.

Sbwaters

Doesn't axe have an "e" at the end of it?

Noe ite doesn’te. Note ine 8the gradee.

Ande Ie ame note made, Ie simplye havee ae defectivee keyboarde.

Kevlar Kid

The FEC needs to be sued for voter fraud.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/new-fears-drudge-infowars-breitbart-could-face-dem-fec-inquisition/article/2628257

exdemocrat

heye, theye tolde me therede be noe Chaucer..

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