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August 30, 2017

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James D.

I'm just catching up from yesterday, and I wanted to repost M's brilliant comment from last night:

I have spent years listening to various conservatives (won't name names here but you know who they are) talking about blue collar workers like they are simply unwilling to take a risk and move, or too lazy to get re-educated in computer programming.

If the mine closes in your town, you CAN'T move, unless you want to abandon your house. A mining town with no mine is nothing more than a small town with no prospects, and no one will buy your house.

If you are 50 with a high school education, you aren't going to easily be retrained.

The insensitivity of these people is exactly why Republicans keep losing elections. They have no idea of the struggles of the working class.

Let me tell you guys something. You can live in a world of decent salary and job, and it can all be gone in a heartbeat. I have lived a version of this life over the last few years. People like McCarthy have no idea what it's like to worry about your legal bills and your wife's medical bills. Arpaio does, and Trump had actual EMPATHY for him, just like he cared about blue collar workers.

What this country needs is compassion for all of its citizens. I am seeing little of it from both the Never Trump group and the Leftists.

That whole comment needs to be printed out and nailed to the foreheads of every single GOP politician and strategist and pundit.

James D.

Wow, first, AND second? Yay, me!

Threadkiller

Infamous Footwear

Old Lurker

Using 6" nails, James.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Repost from tail of last thread:

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/28/new-orleans-flood-pump-breaks-as-harvey-approaches-how-many-more-will-shut-off/?utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social

Nothing ever seems to change in New Orleans.

henry

St Hubbins* will get a workout.

henry

From Miss M's link: "New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu told reporters one of the city’s pumps broke just one week after being repaired"

Gotta love contracts awarded to the biggest bribe.

Captain Hate

Belated congrats, OL. The next year should be really easy.

RattlerGator

Back to Palin -- in my casual reading so far, I've noticed little discussion about this being a perfect case to appeal up the chain in hopes it reaches the Supreme Court but that's the way it looks to me.

We are a fundamentally different nation from when that incredibly broad decision was rendered and the absolute prophylactic the Court provided in Sullivan is unsustainable.

A cloak of protection has been extended to a protected corporate class that the nation simply will no longer accept.

This decision is an extremely bad look grounded in absurd logic that renders the definition of actual malice meaningless.

henry

Oh my, reading further: "Landrieu urged residents to stay home and wait out the storm. Harvey is expected to move into the Gulf of Mexico before moving up the coast through Louisiana."

Yeah that whole staying put worked so well in Houston.

Threadkiller

Ralph says:

NPR attacked Olsteen this morning. His church should have had its act (and PR) together before hand, since they had to have known they'd be attacked by the MSM.


Followed by cboldt's unrelated but related comment:

Feel good tweet from yesterday ...


I just walked on the tarmac to cover @realDonaldTrump' visit to Corpus and was heckled by a crowd shouting derogatory things. Unbelievable.

The people that Osteen serves don't give a crap about bad PR from a group that bashes them anyways.

Captain Hate

Landrieu sounds as corrupt and stupid as his fatass sister.

cboldt

henry - link to the 7th Circuit "John Doe fallout" case ... Archer v. Chisolm

I haven't read it, but the pivot point is prosecutorial immunity vs. 4th amendment. Prosecutorial immunity wins because the prosecutor was not the investigator.

henry

cboldt, under the WI John Doe law, the prosecutor acts as investigator. The circuit got the law wrong.

Captain Hate

The homeless encampments around here are already called Obamavilles.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 30, 2017 09:47 AM (QQ+il)

Miss Marple the Deplorable

RG,

I would agree with you. CNN was heckled in Texas yesterday and some news stations were cautioning reporters not to wear jackets with network logos.

I will not be surprised when we start to see assaults.

Thomas Collins

RG, the case would not be reversed on appeal. The judge reasoning about reckless disregard falls short, and some of the statements about the Loughner shooting made by the judge are, to put it as politely as possible, ill-informed. However, the quick correction by the NY Times and the incredible amount of protection SCOTUS gives to journalist to slime public figures will carry the day. Palin would be wasting her money.

 narciso.

Words fail, bolt, that's one of those 'how did you like the theater Mrs Lincoln decisions.

http://watchdog.org/294618/wisconsin-focus-gubernatorial-candidate-tony-evers-says-renegotiate-foxconn-deal

henry

Narciso, Evers would reverse all Walker decisions and make IL look sane.

Buckeye

NPR attacked Olsteen this morning.

Olsteen is not particularly my kind of guy, but somehow I think his megaphone will prove to be louder than NPR's.

NPR is singing to their choir. Olsteen's choir is pretty big and pretty devoted.

cboldt

henry - the 7th Circuit gets into that, that the John Doe law is odd that way (prosecutor is assigned investigator function).

Like I said, I haven't studied the arguments in Archer's case. No surprise that the court protects its own. Prosecutors and courts are functionally part of the same branch of government. Any "separation of powers" there is fairy tale fiction.

Clarice Feldman

TC, I should think the corrections mitigate the damage, as Pallin tacitly concedes, but does not obviate the claim.

Clarice Feldman

Jane, if your still around--your meeting yesterday was fascinating,

James D.

Sullivan v NY Times needs to be gutted, and so does the whole doctrine of qualified immunity/prosecutorial immunity.

The GOP could do it without recourse to the courts, since they do control both houses of Congress, and they have a President who'd certainly sign legislation overturning Sullivan.

But of course they won't.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/08/30/cnn-reporter-exits-bubble-discovers-just-how-much-texas-hates-cnn/

henry

cboldt, to me it appears the Constitution is inferior to court traditions (prosecutorial immunity) in that decision. Monsieur Guillotine solved that kind of imbalance back in the day.

cboldt

Noel - Osteen

I figure many if not most of the people cheering CNN at the tarmac were not Osteen churchgoers.

Funny how the press is concerned about invective directed their way (it's dangerous -- for the press -- to criticize the press) while holding that nothing it says can create danger for, oh, say for example, Trump supporters and Republican politicians.

DebinGA

That Politico hit-job is almost unbelievable. Faulting Mrs. Trump for not yet announcing a cause to exploit for pr purposes? MOzo took time before announcing her plan to ruin school lunches and send millions of poor kids home hungry. When that soured, she milked a "our girls" theme to globe-trot with her posse on our dime, justifying the multiple trips by throwing in a short speech at some unimportant conference along the way. Remember MOzo and friends in Spain demanding a US Navy ship be brought in and positioned to be seen in photos taken from her balcony? That was just dandy, but Mrs. Trump walking across the WH lawn in heels is beyond the pale? Ugh.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Can't remember who linked pictures of that impossibly grotesque gargoyle that was criticizing FLOTUS's "optics" yesterday but may I respectfully suggest an extended time out in the corner for whoever it was?

Buckeye

Happy Anniversary CH.

Is the Mrs. home from the west coast?

cboldt

Rakoff didn't even apply the law. He crafted a bogus test that allows defamation with impunity by being anonymous. He also plays a logic trick using "knowing false," when what defamed people really seek damages for is "without regard for the truth."

If NYT had never published "no connection between the add and the shooting," there would be no way to discern "known false." So, as long as the ONLY things the press prints are defamatory statements, there is no contradiction in their own reports, and all of the reports are what, magically true?

Rackoff took a million dollar bribe from NYT to render this decision. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

cboldt

henry - the constitution is always inferior to the desired outcome. Outcome first, rationale after.

GUS

Why isn't NPR taking care of the Houston victims? Osteen doesn't get HIS MONEY from the government.

Clarice Feldman

Another look at the Vogue writer who criticized Melania's stilettos :https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155755651894319&set=a.46449794318.71692.679029318&type=3

 narciso.

The Horror, the horror,

And speaking of the gorgon (see what I did there) so its a controversial decision hence archer is an unperson, that we can do anything to, judge woods is upset she didn't getvthe nagnitsky treatment I think

Clarice Feldman

In case you're not on FB--here it is again:https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwje_bXYnv_VAhWLjVQKHfB0B64QjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gettyimages.com%2Fevent%2Fthom-browne-front-row-fall-2016-new-york-fashion-week-604023167&psig=AFQjCNGAw6DcEujLON4XwWiN0WuzFXWAjg&ust=1504192152599847

henry

TK, our Chicago Lurking unit found this: https://twitter.com/decider/status/902906861904691200

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Spices!!

https://twitter.com/SteveRHardy/status/902198792950358016

 narciso.

The author of that piece wrote that hagiography if red queen which is on remaunder shelves at two discount stores

Janeprobably about 10 minutes after getting there

Clarice, it was this morning, and I'm still wallowing in it. Ron Blago is much taller and better looking than his brother, and very chatty, at least to us. He talked a bit about Jesse Jackson jr trying to buy Obama's senate seat, which is what he was indicted for, and hinted about Obamas role. Since it's all Chicago dem politics, it's hard to know. What I thought was funny is he assumed we knew nothing about it.

Porchlight

If Joel Osteen had opened the church earlier, he would have been criticized by the same people for recklessly endangering lives by inviting people to a flooded area.

We've seen this movie before.

Trump in my town today! Wish I could go hang out with him, but work is crazy. First day of classes at the statue-less campus.

Extraneus

A lot of places are picking up that "no public interest" exception excuse for the FBI's denial of a request for Hillary's emails. Pretty obviously bogus, and Trump must have seen it by now. Can't he simply tell Sessions to tell the FBI to give that up?

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Speech on tax reform is at 2:30 Eastern.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Well, I have seen alligators and red ants in Houston. Now Fox just showed a shot of wild hogs running through neighborhoods.

henry

On the John Doe, the thing that gets me is the part in common with SC Mueller. If the Prosecutor / Investigator goes beyond the boundaries of what they were asked to investigate (fraud in a veterans charity in the John Doe by Chisolm), do subsequent victimks hav any rights at all? It appears per the 7th the answer is no. I'm sure they politically want the same answer for Mueller investigating whether Barron brushed his teeth on a random Tuesday in 2004.

Clarice Feldman

funny isn't it, Jane, that just as Obama's name was about to enter the case, someone leaked that Blago's line was being tapped and Fitz never bitched about that or conducted an investigation into who leaked that and warned Obama off.

Momto2

Sometimes pictures need no words! (the fashionista who criticized Melania)

Old Lurker

"Monsieur Guillotine solved that kind of imbalance back in the day."

Where Henry joins me in noting the parallels of DC-NY-LA vs Versailles.

Extraneus

New York Times fashion critic describes Melania Trump's Corpus Christi outfit as a 'costume'

"Women in the capital are generally more associated with sensible pumps than teetering patent leather numbers," she wrote. "This Mrs. Trump understands, which is why she changed into a more suitable costume (I use that word deliberately) for her arrival in Corpus Christi, Tex. The problem is that, as first lady, in an environment as fraught as the current one, there is no such thing as offstage."
Old Lurker

Ext "Can't he simply tell Sessions to tell the FBI to give that up?"

Sessions probably has Caller ID.

ducking.

Thomas Collins

I agree, Clarice, that corrections should go to damage mitigation and not recklessness. I also think that throwing something out there without the teeniest bit of due diligence should at the very least cause a motion to dismiss to be denied. I just don't think the federal courts will look at it this way. I hope I'm wrong if Palin appeals.

Is Rakoff really twisting NY Times v. Sullivan, cboldt, or have subsequent glosses on NY Times v. Sullivan done the twisting when it comes to the reckless part? Looks as if I have my weekend leisure reading activity to figure that one out.

GUS

Wow Extraneus. WOW. If only Melania had TONED ARMS, all would be well in TEXAS.

Old Lurker

TC, I hope you find a glimmer of hope in an appeal or else we are truly beyond the point of no return.

Reservation Desk on the Ledge is open for business.

Marlene

Good Morning! I'm starting to think that the only sane person I've seen on the internet the past couple of days was the young mother with the children at the shelter who cursed out the CNN reporter. That was awesome!
I've seen the picture of the so-called fashionista and also a picture of a big blob of fire ants. I don't know which picture is more horrifying.

Janeprobably about 10 minutes after getting there

Yes, Clarice. We were trying to figure out the real puppet masters at lunch today. Obviously Blago hates Fitzpatrick even more than we do, if that is even possible.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

The picture I saw of that Vogue fashion critic was like the top one, only better color.

What you cannot see in that photo is two bright pink circles of rouge under her eyes but above her cheekbones, no eyebrows, and dark brown lipstick made into a Clara Bow type cupid's bow.

She looks like she is made up to be one of those Munchkins in the Wizard of Oz.

sbw

why she changed into a more suitable costume (I use that word deliberately)

“Blue” scene from Devil Wears Prada.

Brilliant. Glenn Close earns street cred for this. Watch it all the way through.

GUS

Marlene, the ugly HAG was talking about how women in "The Capital" should dress.
Rodham looks like a jumbo sized Teletubbie.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Jane,

This is another conflection point in which we could make common cause, like my liberal daughter and me and our shared hatred of Paul Ryan.

How did we get sold such a bill of goods on Fitzpatrick, anyway? I remember someone giving an interview and talking about how he was so dedicated he forgot and left a pan of lasagna in his oven for a month.

This was sold as a humorous example of dedication and single-mindedness, but I am sort of thinking it signifies mental illness.

Comanche Voter

Many of these ill educated, but definitely snotty, female reporters and fashionistas couldn't explain how to make a sandwich, much less figure out climate change. But they understand clothes, and commenting on them is right in their wheelhouse of knowledge. On the other hand when Queen Moochie burst down the stairs of Air Force One wearing flip flops, a stained tee shirt and bermuda shorts that hadn't seen the laundry, much less an iron for three weeks--well-crickets.

cboldt

TC - Rakoff cites half a dozen follow on cases (pp 15-16). The upshot of the collection, in Rakoff's terms, is that defamation requires mens rea; e.g., serious doubt the statement is true. Thoughtless remarks (total absence of due diligence) will always lack the mens rea.

Marlene

MM,yes! She looks like the Mayor of Munchkin City!

GUS

If I left a pan of lasagna in the oven for a month, how would anyone know about it.

Janeprobably about 10 minutes after getting there

Btw Commancjhi it is also fashionista week on the ship so we will learn what they truly think.

Marlene

Gus,you're on vacation and left the oven on? :)

Miss Marple the Deplorable

My middle sister, the democrat, has worked in fashion retail for almost 40 years. She has managed several designer areas of major stores and has met people like Bill Blass due to trunk shows.

This is how I learned that Evan Bayh wouldn't allow his wife to wear pants in public.

I used to hear all sorts of tales about new trends, colors, etc. She was the first to alert me to the trend of not wearing stockings. (I am opposed to this and stick with the Queen Elizabeth protocol.)

GUS

God Bless you Marlene. Yes, I am on vacation.

First time off in over 13 months.

Sue

Melania should just say "bless her heart" and leave it at that. I have relatives that would say you could tie a pork chop around her neck (the Vogue critic) and even the hounds wouldn't play with her.

Old Lurker

MM "so dedicated he forgot and left a pan of lasagna in his oven for a month. This was sold as a humorous example of dedication..."

Next you will be telling me that Sandy Berger having a messy desk is just cute...

Whatever works at the moment is what you will hear.

GUS

Old Lurker, stuffing National Archives documents down your pants is SLOPPY!

Old Lurker

cboldt "Thoughtless remarks (total absence of due diligence) will always lack the mens rea."

And you, cboldt, will next tell me that Hilary Clinton could break the national security laws at will because she too lacked criminal intent and anyway, no prosecutor would take the case...

henry

Yeah, replace a pipeline before it leaks, and Environmental and tribal groups oppose, where by opposed they mean sabotage and vandalism.

GUS

Old Lurker, the "MATTER" has been settled.

Marlene

Fox reporter is in Port Arthur,looks terrible. People clutching kids and dogs,kids walking barefoot. The people are being evacuated to makeshift shelters,including a bowling alley.

GUS

Nothing says ENVIRONMENTALISM like vandalizing oil pipelines.
Nothing says NON-FASCIST, like baseball bats, chains and masks. You see anti-fascists, need to beat people, smash stuff and burn things in the name of NOT SMASHING, BURNING and BEATING.
And the compliant American left believes this shit.

cboldt

OL - no prosecutor who valued the life of themselves and their family would take the case, because "that's not who we are" (political case).

The outcome of any case depends, of course, on who the parties are. We are a nation of men, and don't you ever forget it, or else the men will use the law on you.

Old Lurker

:-) cboldt

Old Lurker

Gus "Old Lurker, the "MATTER" has been settled."

See Gus, you slipped up. Lawsuits, where there are two sides, get "Settled".

"Matters", well they just go away.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Marlene,

I was watching that, too. They said they may get another 3-4 feet of water as the water moves out of Houston and downstream.

There are 55,000 people in Port Arthur, and the mayor said almost the entire town was underwater. A rescuer said they were pulling people off roofs and out of attics.

Extraneus

Speaking of settling, was it here that I read that the DoJ has settled with the ACLU over their lawsuit on the first travel ban?

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Estate sale, north side of Indy (NOT anywhere near where I live):

http://cbs4indy.com/2017/08/30/photos-entire-contents-of-voicemail-inventor-scott-jones-carmel-mansion-to-be-sold/

Video of the series "Megamansions" where the home was featured. Only the first half covers the Carmel property. Lyle might be interested in the computerized huge wine cellar.

Extraneus

If so, here it is again:

http://nypost.com/2017/08/29/aclu-doj-settle-legal-challenge-against-trump-travel-ban/

Sue

Port A and Beaumont are northeast of Houston. Not sure about their downstream comment.

henry

Miss M, I saw that and checked twitter for "Orange TX"... also under water, exactly 0 roads open. Orange, Beaumont and Port Arthur are right by each other. When we lived in Orange, our house was the local high ground at 12' above sea level. The bayous fill up, you will get stuck there, then wet.

Sue

The Neches River runs into Beaumont. Port A is south of Beaumont. Maybe the reporter meant the water leaving Beaumont would go downstream into Port A.

Y'all remember Jasper Texas don't you? Well, they are flooding.

Sue

Jasper is north/northeast of Beaumont.

Extraneus

Gov. Chris Christie took swipes at both Donald Trump and Ted Cruz this morning

“My understanding has always been that one of the prerequisites you look for in giving a pardon is contrition for what you were convicted of,” Christie said. “I didn’t see that in Sheriff Arpaio.”

“This is not one that I would have done,” Christie added.

Christie, who appeared on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” primarily to discuss the federal government’s handling of Hurricane Harvey, was even more brazen when addressing Cruz’s recent remarks defending his vote against the $50 billion Hurricane Sandy relief bill in 2013. Cruz told MSNBC’s Katy Tur on Monday that he voted against the relief package because two-thirds of the bill contained unrelated pork and expenses that had nothing to do with assistance for Sandy victims.

“The worst thing about it — and this is why politics has become so cynical in Washington — is statements like that. He should just stand up and say, ‘You know what, I was wrong,'” Christie said. “What was wrong was for Ted Cruz to exploit the disaster for political gain — that’s what he was doing.”

When asked by co-host Joe Scarborough to describe Cruz in one word, Christie simply said, “Crap.”

rich

Congratulations to Hates. Happy Anniversary.

Extraneus

I didn't realize they'd already been sued.

Trump voter commission admits to ‘chaotic’ start, apologizes for botching transparency

President Trump’s voter integrity commission had to beg for forgiveness from a federal judge Wednesday, admitting the panel got off to a “chaotic” start and vowing to be more transparent to the public going forward.

Elizabeth Shapiro, the Justice Department lawyer representing the commission, painted a picture of a panel in disarray ahead of its first meeting in July, not even sure what official business commissioners would actually be doing at the meeting.

That, she said, made it difficult to obtain and share materials with the public before hand, as required by open-records laws.

Facing a skeptical U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly, Ms. Shapiro said the problems weren’t evidence of bad faith, but rather bungling and misinterpretations of what the judge had wanted.

“It was truly an honest misunderstanding,” the lawyer said, adding later that “there was no intention to misrepresent.”

“Alright, I accept that,” the judge said — then she ordered a series of new steps the commission must take to be more transparent about documents it’s already collected, and how it plans to make the public aware of its business going forward.

narciso

we'll burn that bridge, when we get to it, stay puft, the chutzpah of that guy,

Sue

The Texas Rangers and Houston Astros played in Florida last night. The Rangers won. One of the Astros players' wife was trapped in an apartment with their young children and couldn't get out. She was safe, had plenty of food, etc., but you know he was worried sick about her. They should have postponed those games. The Houston players' heart wasn't in it.

henry

when you have your own gravity field narciso, you are the center of a small planetary system.

Sue

The series was supposed to be played in Houston. They moved it to Florida.

Old Lurker

Christie is an idiot.

Contrition is BS as a predicate.

The Executive's absolute right to pardon was to be a check on either a runaway prosecution, or a runaway law which leads to a prosecution.

No schools in NJ when you were growing up, Fatman?

cboldt

Extraneus - ... seventh group to file federal lawsuit vs. "voter fraud commission" - July 18.

Might be up to 27 suits by now.

narciso

this was a package, where his own constituents had to wait up to a year, to get aid, then we have the practical joke his aides supposedly pulled, the following year,

cboldt

"We'll close that bride when we get to it"

cboldt

no exxtra charge for typos

Miss Marple the Deplorable

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/371343.php

Ace thinks we're in The Crazy Years.

daddy

NEW THREAD!!!

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