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August 09, 2017

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henry

I'm just going to enjoy my popcorn while this plays out.

henry

Plus I blame the Obama / Holder EEOC Civil Rights enabled rise of HR for the entire mess. A scam that already trashed education and is rapidly trashing the tech industry.

matt, deplore me if you must

The other day I was listening to the Beeb and the leader was a program on being trans in Karachi. Other recent stories include the trans community in some country in Africa, and the big one, the pay gap between men at women at, you guessed it, the Beeb! Oh, and how trans Muslims in burqas can no longer wear the full face because of cheating in the schools and universities during tests.

New York is now going to re-name trans fats because it insults two minorities at the same time.

henry

It takes a village to screw things up this much.

Threadkiller

Threadkiller,

One thing that school lunch program did: it made my grandson a conservative Republican.

Reminds me of this oldie, MM:


The votes are counted, and they are looking good!
Turns out my daughters' elementary school was running a mock election today.

Out of 370 kids 285 went to Romney and 85 to Obama.

I asked my girls if the teachers or other students had influenced their votes and they said no. I then asked how they made their decisions.

My 8 year old explained: "I voted against the First Lady because she outlawed croutons in our school lunches last year."

The 10 year old added:" Yeah, and she always interrupts our shows on tv."

Single issue zealots, just like their daddy. I am so proud!

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2012/11/the-big-night-is-upon-us/comments/page/2/

LOL!

Dave (in MA)

I would think a company having a child care center would bring on huge legal and insurance bills.

Threadkiller

Yeah... that was meant for the previous thread.

:-/

Dave (in MA)

I didn't know until today that Scrappleface and H. R. McMaster are relatives.

maryrose

The new SAT stats show almost equal ability in all sections along with perfect scores becoming more prevalent.
You have come a long way baby!
Women can do all this and maternity leave and daycare will catch up.

maryrose

Not really Dave.
It makes for better production and less sick days.

Jack is Back!

That's funny matt, since the Tranny capital(s) of the world are those Muzzie enclaves of Indonesia and Malaysia with ecumenical support of Singapore and Thailand.

Any VN vet who took R&R in Singapore will have stories of Bugus Street.

James D.

Reposting from the last threat, re: the discussion on asset forfeiture:

Porch, I have two issues with civil asset forfeiture.

First, even if it is legal, and courts have found it constitutional, the idea that the government can seize your property without convicting you of a crime (or even necessarily charging you), and you have to sue at your expense to get it back, is fundamentally against all the basic principles of this country.

Second, the way it currently works, it's not just a power that's subject to abuse; it's inherently corrupting. Local/state LE gets to share in the proceeds from forfeitures, and supplement their budgets with it. That creates at least two huge issues:

First, it gives LE its own revenue stream, separate from control by elected officials. The police should not be generating their own income, and they certainly shouldn't be a profit center. Or, equally bad, if the seized assets become a regular revenue stream, the state/local gov't may rely on that to fund the police and reduce the usual funding provided by legislation (and taxpayers), which of course encourages/requires the police to seize still more assets.

Second, it provides a massive incentive for the police to focus on situations where they can seize assets, whether or not that corresponds to what's best for public safety.

Third, when the seized assets are used to purchase more equipment for the police (armored vehicles, SWAT gear, etc), it creates a vicious cycle.

Law enforcement personnel aren't any worse or more corruptible than any other profession...but they're not necessarily any better, either, and giving them the wrong incentives, when coupled with the power they have, is a really dangerous road to go down.

James D.

Ross Douthat is fascinating as always

I see TM is posting from Earth-19 again.

James D.

Staying with that theme for a moment, here is Daisuke Wakabayashi, a diversity hire at the failing NY Times, describing the memo (my emphasis):

His 10-page memo, titled “Google’s Ideological Echo Chamber,” argued that “personality differences” between men and women — like a woman having a lower tolerance for stress — help explain why there were fewer women in engineering and leadership roles at the company. He said efforts by the company to reach equal representation of women in technology and leadership were “unfair, divisive, and bad for business.”

Do tell. That is a lot of misinformation packed into one paragraph. The quoted passage appears here in the original memo:

Differences in distributions of traits between men and women may in part explain why we don’t have 50% representation of women in tech and leadership. Discrimination to reach equal representation is unfair, divisive, and bad for business.

Why is this not defamation? If you deliberately misquote a publicly available document to make its author look bad, is that not the literal definition of actual malice?

maryrose

I get a kick out of people reposting their comments because they are afraid people won't read them as a new thread is started.
Yes you are all memorable and brilliant but reading the same post twice can become very repetitive.

Threadkiller

I get a kick out of dim bulbs reading comments twice as if it is some sort of ridicule.

maryrose

JamesD
I believe the journalistic definition of malice is now bodily harm or vindictive verbal abuse which causes psychological damage.

maryrose

Dim bulbs?
Who are they?

Dave (in MA)

I saw a survey that said that the percentage of private employers offering on-site child care declined from 4% to 2% between 2010 and 2017.

Threadkiller

Reposting.

I get a kick out of dim bulbs reading comments twice as if it is some sort of ridicule

maryrose

Shep 's hair is on fire again.

narciso

The who watches the,watcher comes from the apocryphal tale related to evan wright who'll buy any story That will put mid on our scutcheon, however then there is the confirmed of Ricardo the monkey Morales who Taylor branch, the king historian made his reputation on. In the 70s

Jack is Back!

Dave,

Could be related to decline in marriages and childbirths.

The inverse benefit of the future will be mandated sex-bot recess.

A Google you can see it coming sooner than later.

narciso

Of people stopped putting him out, he might learn something. h

Extraneus

Hmm...

https://pjmedia.com/blog/liveblogevent/wednesdays-hot-mic-19/entry-211956/

During the exploratory talks with the prosecutor, the Clinton attorney was told that despite former FBI Director James Comey's decision last July not to prosecute Hillary, the Justice Department has reexamined the email case and believes there are ample grounds for prosecuting Hillary on a number of counts. Under the Justice Department's plea offer, Hillary would be required to sign a document admitting that she committed a prosecutable crime. In return, the DOJ would agree not to bring charges against Hillary in connection with the email probe.

Also as part of the agreement, the Justice Department would not proceed with an investigation of Hillary's pay to play deals with foreign governments and businessmen who contributed to the Clinton Foundation or who paid Bill Clinton exorbitant speaking fees.

Dave (in MA)

recalibrating rosetta

James D.

Shep 's hair is on fire again.

It must be a day ending in "y"

narciso

Sorry the Miami new times link where a,drug dealer tells a tall tale to evan wrighr about a third person, who apparently was muscle for an importer, back in the 70s and 80s. I was making a parsllel to a possible triple agent who fooled ace reporters like crile and branch in the 70s, creating part Of the narrative that David corn relied on for his bio of ted shackley

Another Bob

I'm pretty sure Douthat doesn't know a thing about Silicon Valley culture.

narciso

Despite an exeter and Harvard grad you could cut that sentence in half.

Jane (Stand against the Coup)

Here's my question of the day: Would you prefer to hit NK first or wait til they hit us?

cboldt

-- Would you prefer to hit NK first or wait til they hit us? --

I think that has an "it depends" answer. Where, and how hard is their first hit? There are advantages to letting them go first, and no matter which approach is taken, Trump will be blamed.

Porchlight

Where, and how hard is their first hit?

Add "and with what"?

And same goes for us.

I would like to hit them with non-nukes to take out their programs before they hit us with nukes.

Threadkiller

S. Korea and the US would have to attempt to wipe out as much of the crap aimed at Seoul while Japan and the US take out any long range instalations, IMO.

If they have a plan in place to do that, I say hit them 1st.

Dave (in MA)

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/2017/08/markey_warns_of_risk_of_trump_triggering_accidental_nuclear_war

Trump needs to be more like the only president who ever got us close to a shooting nuclear war.

Jane (Stand against the Coup)

Boy Ex, I would not be satisfied with that.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Threadkiller,

Many of those Romney voting kids are now approaching voting age and are probably Trump supporters. My grandson was in middle school when they started that stuff, and by high school he hated Michelle Obama with a passion.

Regarding the math stuff and girls, I am thinking about my granddaughter, who is very good at upper level math but also is skilled verbally. Is she going into STEM? No. Political science with a minor in French. I think it's because she is good at BS on papers and speaking, so it's easier for her.

She will probably end up being the next ACLU head lawyer or something. (I don't get a say in majors.)

Threadkiller

Ext@3:13.

Swamp Traders have hit the floor.

Extraneus

I would not be satisfied with that.

Me neither, Jane. Not sure it's even true (Newsbusters), but if it is I hope she digs her heels in.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/09/trump-jeff-flake-robert-mercer-kelli-ward-241454

Mercer gives $300,000 to a PAC supporting Kelli Ward against Flake.

 narciso.

Nothing to see here:


https://mobile.twitter.com/OlivierGuitta/status/895355139846004737?p=v

 narciso.

Ot o found this European. Channel that features German programs episodes if wallander and the like, the first sounded a little like that dubbed camillieri, jm spoke out earlier but its called the undertaker. And I think its originally French.

Another Bob

Ext@3:13

I'd like to know if that was the opening offer or the product of some negotiations.

If that's the offer, why not a charge and a nolo plea? Essentially the same thing political-wise and law license wise (does she still have one of those?), no? (IANAL)

Extraneus

Never heard of this.

Unarmed Russian Air Force jet overflies the Pentagon, Capitol, CIA

(CNN)An unarmed Russian Air Force aircraft overflew the US Capitol, the Pentagon, Central Intelligence Agency and Andrews Air Force Base at low altitude on Wednesday as part of a longstanding treaty that allows the militaries of the United States and Russia to observe the other from the air, according to two people familiar with the flight.

The flight was part of the Treaty on Open Skies, which allows military aircraft from the United States and Russia and other nations to fly aerial observation flights to observe military sites of the 34 signatory nations.

The Russian Air Force Tupolev Tu-154 on Wednesday afternoon passed at around 3,700 feet over downtown Washington and Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland, where Air Force One is based, according to tracking website Flightradar24.
The jet is authorized to enter P-56, the highly secure airspace surrounding the White House.
A second flight by the same jet is planned for between 5 p.m. and 6 p.m. Wednesday, when the Russian jet will overfly Bedminster, New Jersey, where President Donald Trump is vacationing, according to two people familiar with the US government-approved flight.

A law enforcement source told CNN that the plane also overflew Camp David, the presidential retreat in the Catoctin Mountains, the Trump National Golf Course in Virginia, and Mount Weather, one of the US government's secret relocation bunkers.

United States Air Force personnel were on the flight and the aircraft is capable of a variety of intelligence gathering, one of the people said.

 narciso.

There's another stung Larsson type thriller called mAmmon which is actually notwegian

maryrose

Hillary will never admit she did anything wrong.
She will take it to trial and this time she will lose.
The fix won't be in this time and no one is afraid of her anymore.
Clinton Foundation is a separate case.
I don't want them to conflate the two.
I want her guilty on both cases and multiple counts.
She no longer has Comey ,Lynch or McCabe to save her.

Marlene

MM,maybe your granddaughter will be a lobbyist. :) My daughter had the same skills in high school and college. She excelled in French in h.s. and college. She is verbally skilled and socially adept in all situations. There was a discussion about reading earlier today. We read to her all the time until she could read by herself and she was also the winner of many spelling bees. I remember many evenings reading to her and falling asleep. Mom! Wake up and finish the book!

maryrose

Narciso:
Who is the author?

Porchlight

Speaking of pedo rings, and Hollywood, and well-connected Democrats, and Sessions's crackdown:

http://wehotimes.com/sex-politics-meth-death-west-hollywood/

The Los Angeles County Coroner has reported the death of Gemmel Moore, 26, of an accidental meth overdose at 7:22 p.m. on July 27 at the West Hollywood home of high-profile Democratic Party donor and political activist, Ed Buck. The youth’s death reportedly occurred just hours after he left his family in Texas in order to join Buck.
Extraneus

From the Newsmax piece:

The Justice Department has reopened the investigation of Hillary Clinton's mishandling of classified material on her private email system while she was secretary of state, and is considering offering her a plea bargain if she will agree to plead guilty to charges of breaking the law, according to a Clinton attorney.

The discussion of a plea bargain took place late last month and was offered by a high-ranking Justice Department official to the Clinton lawyer.

...

The Clinton attorney cautioned that normally a plea is offered by a prosecutor only upon arraignment, and Hillary has not yet been charged with any crime.

maryrose

Marlene:
You must be so proud of your daughter!
Read all the American Girl books and the children's classics.
With my son it was Harry Potter.

maryrose

Ext:
Is this a proffer then?

maryrose

Menendez trial to start on time next month.
Get ready for Senator Christie.

Dave (in MA)
which is actually notwegian
Actually, it is wegian.
Extraneus

No idea. Maybe one of the legal eagles will weigh in on that, but I agree that offering to lay off the Clinton Foundation and pay-to-play in return for a bogus signed statement would be a travesty of justice (I mean Justice).

 narciso.

The network is Deutsche welle, the first series is Swiss German, hence the French misunderstanding

Old Lurker

Porch, this confuses me: "Said hick sheriffs can already pull over and arrest people indiscriminately and throw them into jail, but as has been pointed out, that would be abuse of the law, and is not a convincing argument that law enforcement should not have the power to arrest people without incontrovertible evidence of a crime committed."

This issue is not the indiscriminate arrest - an action which does not benefit that cop or his office - rather the taking of that person's assets, which the cop and his office can spend on toys, unless some judge way down the road after a bunch of legal fees are spent, says "give it back" and even then some victims are told that unless they agree to a partial repayment only, the state will appeal and appeal until the legal fees bankrupt the mark.

That's the part we cannot seem to agree about.

Porchlight

I learned to read as a very young child, read constantly from then until now, and am a champion speller (6th, 7th, 8th grade trophies). English major, library masters, the whole deal.

My kids aren't particularly interested in reading at all. They like to be read to, but they never ever pick up a book on purpose.

They are like my husband. Well, so far - the jury is out to some extent especially with my youngest.

I accept that their non-readingness is my fault to a great degree, for various reasons, including not denying them access to video games etc. Well, my husband is the video game guy, but I didn't forbid it.

But please don't discount that people have natural inclinations and aversions that aren't going to be created - or erased - by parental behavior.

My mom said she never ever had to encourage me to read, so she refuses to take credit for it. She does seem to blame me for my kids not reading, though. Funny how that works. ;)

daddy at a sports bar

Late to the discussion but....

On the Google sex-differences brouhaha it seems to me we are back once again to a situation where those who bash the Right over the head for not accepting Darwin and Science are themselves ignorant of Darwin and the Science they bash us with.

Darwin's second method to explain Evolution, following Natural Selection, was Sexual Selection, the idea that instances of things like the Peacocks outsized Tail or the Bower Birds nest builiding nuttiness were traits and behaviors developed via the genes as Sexual displays to signal to the opposite sex their suitability as sexual partners.

Dawkins then comes along in "The Selfish Gene," with 100 years of genetics under his belt, and explains this via taking Darwin serious and positing that genes are the actual entities being selected. He likens them to passengers in a taxicab. We humans are the taxicabs that our genes have created to transport copies of themselves into the future.

When applied to humans, he points out that females have 400 viable eggs during their lifetime, whereas males have millions each and every shot. As a consequence female eggs are the most "valuable" thing in human biology, and genetic strategies in the competition to successfully mate with those valuable eggs has been as big a driver of human evolution as anything else over the last millions of years. Then he and other Darwinians examine the multiple evolved traits and behaviors that have arisen between males and females in order to win seats for their particular genes in the next generations taxicabs.

The conclusions so far are that there are differences between the male and the female which make sense logically and which make sense according to Darwinian Theory and to Science. Yet again we see the Left, always so willing to damn the Right as Anti-Science and Anti-Darwin, reveal themselves to know neither their Science nor their Darwin. So what else is new.

Old Lurker

"rather the taking of that person's assets,"

Before any subsequent trial or finding of guilt. The cops get the loot right away.

Porchlight

OL, that was my example of abuse of power.

You're saying we shouldn't have civil asset forfeiture because it can be abused. I'm pointing out that any law can be abused. James D. says we shouldn't give law enforcement too much power because they can abuse it. I'm saying they already have enormous power that they can already abuse.

I'm just not seeing - based on current discussion - why civil asset forfeiture is specially awful. I see how it can be abused, but I don't see how it is significantly different from other state powers that can be abused.

I guess you're saying that civil assets could be a special temptation to law enforcement because they are goodies that can be directly taken/spent/consumed by said law enforcement. But there are all kinds of motivations to abuse power and "loot" is only one of them.

rse

Porch-I would never let my kids have a gameboy when they were big and the christmas when my son was 10 I told my husband he could have an x-box as I didn't want him to feel different and he was already well read. He was so shocked.

"Mom said it was OK?" Ironically he remains a reader in part because so far he has skipped college. The funny part is he will buy himself some graduate level book when he wants to teach himself something.

When he was about 6 months old I read an interview with a woman named Jane Healy who had a book out on the effect on the brain of making the visual dominant so young.

I do get a kick out of my youngest who became fluent in spanish by having her hispanic classmates starting in middle school speak to her in spanish. She was in high school before I knew she had done that. A useful skill in today's world.

maryrose

Porch:
My sister, the smartest one in our family did not like to read until she reached her thirties.
She was more of a math science person.
Now she reads all the time.
My kind re are sporadic readers.
My husband and I are avid readers ever since we were 7 year old kids.Heather
Neuart is an excellent spokeswoman for the State Dept.
She is loads better than fluff chicks Harf and Jen Psaki.

Old Lurker

Porch in almost every other example we can think of where an abuse might occur, the government agent doing the abusing cannot be financially enriched by that act of abuse. He might get kicks, or jollies, or scratch some sort of itch, but he and his pals don't get any money for doing it.

That's is exactly why James points out this is too tempting to risk.

In other cases of abuse, the subsequent action requires the rest of the chain of command to be on board pursuing and going to trial for the crime, and that requires somebody deciding to spend limited budget dollars on that trial. So there is no benefit to the bad cop and no good reason for his department to throw money after it and those facts work to protect citizens from some of the abuse.

If you throw instant cash rewards to the bad cops and their local regardless of the eventual outcome, then all of those incentives James mentioned which protect us from the state are out the window.

maryrose

Should be my kids

Extraneus

Well, I guess I'll recount my sad early reading story.

I somehow learned how to read at around 3 or 4 years old. Nobody knows how, but I think it was looking at milk cartons and cereal boxes and stuff like that, then graduating to more complicated things.

When it came time to go to kindergarten, my mother took me and proudly told them I could already read. I still remember the little book with a gray cat and a ball of red yarn that the teacher asked me to read from. I did it, only to find out later that they told my mother I couldn't join kindergarten and had to stay home until 1st grade - with my mother and little brother, in an upstairs apartment in Brooklyn, where I could watch the other kids from the window walking to school in the mornings and back home in the afternoons.

And then, when I finally joined 1st grade the next year, all the other kids knew each other and I was socially retarded compared to them.

Woe was me.

maryrose

OL:
If the goods can benefit someone perhaps part could be donated to homeless shelters.
If later on they are eligible for some payback let the city give it to them .
That way nobody gets to profit off of it except deserving needy citizens.

henry

Porch, civil asset forfeiture is a unique abuse of power because: there are no due process protections available; the presumption in court is the assets were part of a crime (i.e. presumed guilt which must by overturned by the sap who is robbed by police); seized assets form a significant part of law enforcement budgets (which is why they lobby against reforms).

maryrose

Ext:
Somehow that sounds illegal to me
Parochial schools didn't have kindergarten then so I went to the public school.
They had reading groups but we mostly played.
What an awful experience, so unfair.

Jack is Back!

maryrose,

Love you but dream on: Christie will never be elected to another state wide office in New Jersey. Never!

Old Lurker

Maryrose, Maryrose, Maryrose...

So it is OK with you if some cops stop a van on I95 in the middle of the night, find they are carrying a bunch of money so the cops take it from them. Then, if that citizen has enough money to hire enough lawyers to go sue that county and they win and win all the appeals, then you will let that citizen have his money back. Until then you will just give their money out to "needy people" but if the state loses, then the money will get paid back by the taxpayers?

Stunning.

Old Lurker

You notice that whenever we talk about things like this, some of us think that obtaining justice when wrongly accused is easy, fast, cheap, and not damaging to the individual through stress and relationships at all? I wish some who think like that would go hire a lawyer with their own money and get back to me.

Jack is Back!

One thing I know or have noticed is that cops whether Federal, State or local SWAT, when they "no knock" or do "asset forfiture" are all the same: On the same song book. You can be all Blue Lives Matter, and so am I but they are not saintly at all times especially when they have to go all nasty.

I have 3 cousins who are cops/FBI/Sherrif and they are also Eucharistic Ministers. They wouldn't doubt or stop if they had to do something, you and I, have a consitutional problem with. That is way above their grade. The lawyers are there to do all that soul searching.

I know it is difficult to bang on a door or stop a car with lots of doubt but its their job and no one has ever given them a manual as to tell all the differences.

Porchlight

OL,

I assume your 5:23 was aimed at me. If that's what you think I've been saying all this time, I won't bother trying to explain it again.

Thank you, henry. I understand the objections much better now.

 narciso.

This is why I referenced the gal scandal the sac matter in France which unraveled partially with the death of Ben parka, you empower people with extraordinary ability and little oversight you end up with this problem

 narciso.

So in practice a Mitch rapp or a Dewey andreas type situation is fraught with peril, take the scenario that keys off he Gabriela Allen series the wrath of god team that targeted black September.

daddy at a sports bar

BOLDLY we move on to a NEW THREAD!!!

Gentlejim

Civil asset forfeiture absolutely needs to be reformed. Any governmental process that does not include due process is a process that should not exist.

Full disclosure... I r a cop.

Buckeye

Jr. was reading well before Kindergarten. When the school year began, Mrs. Buckeye went the first day for a parent orientation meeting with the teacher, kids and other parents.

Teacher discussed the fact that during the year the kids would get some exposure to learning to read and explained with some examples on the board that spelling wouldn't be stressed and learning to "sound things out" would be the focus.

Of course the words on the board were examples of "sounding things out"

Jr. turned and whispered to his mom, "Does that mean we have to misspell the words too?"

Captain Hate

Levin started out his third hour last night by talking about how property rights are an integral part of a free society. Maybe some of you need a refresher. Take something I worked for and I'm supposed to feel good because it will be put to good use as defined by somebody other than me? That's the definition of tyranny.

 narciso.

The UK really dodged a bullet, no thanks to teresa may:

http://babalublog.com/2017/08/09/british-politician-laments-the-deaths-of-maduros-armed-thugs

maryrose

JIB:
Christie will appoint himself Senator of course!
I know he can't get elected dog at her right now.
OL:
If the goods are ill- gotten and the accused goes to jail needy people could benefit in that scenario.
If goods are stolen could be a charity write off for the company

maryrose

Should be dogcatcher

maryrose

Correct spelling is a lost art.
Words should be spelled correctly.
This is where girls used to be superior to boys.
Alas cursive writing is no longer being taught.

henry

are stolen could be a charity write off for the company.

Um, no. Most assets / money seized are from individuals -- say the police saw you had a bad tail light and then seized your bank account via asset forfeiture (they can empty your ATM card, have a machine to do that on the spot). No rent payment, no grocery money, checks bounce, etc. Charity write off?

If it were company assets, aka a small business -- again there goes the bank accounts so no payroll, no accounts payable checks, no more business. Charity write off with a shrug?

henry

. Oops.

Extraneus

This is where girls used to be superior to boys.

Ain't it the truth. Heh.

JM Hanes

maryrose:

"I get a kick out of people reposting their comments because they are afraid people won't read them as a new thread is started."

Glad you appreciate the effort it takes, because I know I've reposted plenty of comments I've made at the ends of threads.

JM Hanes

Porch:

"You're saying we shouldn't have civil asset forfeiture because it can be abused."

The argument I've been making goes well beyond the fact that such abuse is, in fact, occurring on a regular basis, and that such confiscations are, in fact, viewed as money making propositions by police departments more widely than you may realize.

I certainly don't concede that civil asset forfeiture passes constitutional muster at all. Unfortunately we probably have years to wait before the perfect Supreme-Court-ready combination of victim & resources can lay that question to rest officially. What I am arguing is that unlike other powers that can be abused, the entire raison d'etre of civil asset forfeiture is to deprive a target of the resources needed to defend himself from the state, while simultaneously relieving the state of having to make a showing of even any suspected wrongdoing, or facing penalties when they get it wrong. It is difficult to conceive of any more fundamentally dangerous grant of empowerment.

JM Hanes

Looks like I'll need to repost that comment in the new thread....

Janet the expert 🚬

Looks like I'll need to repost that comment in the new thread....

Hah!!

I appreciate comments & links being reposted.
I jump on & off JOM these days & don't always read the whole thread.

Old Lurker

Porch, sorry for the delay I was out. No, my 5:23 was not to you at all, frankly it was for Maryrose.

I think I pinned down where you and I differ when I pointed out that this abuse is different because the abuser gets to keep the loot and that is just too tempting to mortals and therefore threatens personal liberty.

I snarked at Maryrose because she seemed to have no concept what an abuse means to an innocent person who is relieved of their honest assets, and how her "can't we all just get along and help the poor" view of civil asset forfeiture without due process might not be consistent "with who we are".

Old Lurker

Maryrose 6:17 "OL: If the goods are ill- gotten and the accused goes to jail needy people could benefit in that scenario.
If goods are stolen could be a charity write off for the company"

Utter nonsense.

Porchlight

OL, one thing we haven't discussed is that it is illegal to profit from a crime. What is an alternative way of seizing those assets that does provide due process? I ask because I sincerely don't know. I think it would have to involve seizure before due process is complete, in the same way law enforcement must be able to arrest people before due process is complete. That doesn't entirely get rid of the temptation to use seized assets illicitly.

Porchlight

And thank you for your clarification. Sorry I jumped to conclusions.

Captain Hate

The correct way to go after the Clinton Crime Family is through RICO, which I don't even know is Constitutional but the black robed tyrants have ok'd it for what that's worth. Hillary Clinton won't ever be President or serve jail time for her offenses, no matter how much she and Slick deserve a Ceausescue ending.

Porchlight

But the black robed tyrants have also okayed civil forfeiture, so in that respect we are back to square one.

I admit I daydream about the Democratic party money laundering systems being dismantled in any legal way possible.

cathyf
I admit I daydream about the Democratic party money laundering systems being dismantled in any legal way possible.
...except the whole banana-republic protection-racket of asset forfeiture is a bipartisan crime.

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