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August 09, 2017

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Beasts of England

Excellent, Tom Maguire!!

henry

constructively engaging with Muslim leaders on this issue.

A passel of MOABs is as constructive as you can get with them

JimNorCal

Krugman's arguments sound like a distorted Scott Adam post

 narciso.

Why do we bother with flathead Friedman, who ignores tourettes affected talosian tom Perez.

daddy

Sounds like Friedman wants an Enlightened Autocracy Trumpocracy.

James D.

Posted by Rae on the previous thread:

the new 1st grade teacher tried to tell her she should not be able to read fluently yet and tried to slow her down.

In a sane world, a teacher who did/said that would be fired, and maybe prosecuted for child abuse (along with whoever hired them).

Old Lurker

Cross posting so I can add a question:

What is it about armed government agents, reporting to unelected political goons, breaking down doors in the predawn hours to roust citizens out of bed and rifle through their stuff that sounds, so, well, 1930's? Anybody know how this movie ends?

Something I did not fully appreciate: So Mueller can use unlimited taxpayer money to hire himself a decent mid-sized law firm staffed with cronies of the left, AND he gets to self direct the FBI as his personal armed brownshirts to do their bidding on his own say-so? That is a pretty nifty arsenal for the Swamp Critters to use in their coup, doncha think? Can he direct IRS audits of his political enemies too? Can he demand the EPA discover "waters of the United States" in swimming pools behind their houses in DC? Good thing one party controls all branches of government in DC or you know, bad things might happen to the President.

rse

James-she had only been teaching maybe 3 years and had never taught in private school before, much less one with so many professional parents with big dreams for their kids.

This is for porch with a frowny face if I knew how. http://www.educationdive.com/news/the-future-of-many-school-libraries-is-anchored-to-makerspaces/445541/

Red still loves to read although she and I disagree as to whether "thingie" is a word.

Porchlight
"[W]e need, metaphorically speaking, a high wall that assures Americans we can control our border with a big gate that lets as many people in legally as we can effectively absorb as citizens".

Exactly Trump's position, except in Trump's plan, at least part of the wall won't be metaphor.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

exdemocrat,

Thanks for bringing that USA Today article link about Tillerson's comment on "fire and fury." I liked it so much I am bringing your link over to this thread:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/08/09/tillerson-sees-no-imminent-threat-north-korea-attack-defends-trumps-blunt-talk/551577001/

rse

http://1gu04j2l2i9n1b0wor2zmgua.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Library_flyer_download.pdf

That ties to a group jeb bush started with bob wise, the former gov of West Va, so the ed reforms proposed could be Bipartisan.

 narciso.

Tlg cited a passage from house of spies, that spoke one of those ridiculous narratives the likes of musa kusa defected to the rebels, probably with a stipend from dgse along with general younis, who defected and was executed on the orders of al queda chieftain and tripoli party boss,

James D.

henry @ 12:27

I have said it before, and I will keep saying it. Until there is real, painful retaliation against the people who are pulling this crap, and their allies/supporters/bosses, it will never, ever, ever stop.

And it is LONG past time for our side to start doing so. I don't care about 4D chess, or patience, or anything else. I want to see SWAT teams under orders from AG Sessions smashing into the homes of prominent Democrats and their friends and families in pre-dawn raids, holding them at gunpoint, making them soil their pants, giving their children unending nightmares, and seizing every electronic device and scrap of paper in their homes, and then leaking anything salacious or personally damaging to the press.

I want the people who are doing this to our President, and to his supporters, to feel the same fear. I want them terrified. I want their homes trashed, and their pets shot, and every minute of it captured on video for the whole world to see.

They called the game, they set the rules, it's time for them to learn what it feels like on the other side.

Or, alternately, our side can keep playing by the rules and making nice and sitting back while the President's supporters are attacked and terrorized and their lives ruined one at a time with no consequences. Because that's worked so well for the last decade or so.

rse

Gee, what they are up in arms about we are glad trump did. https://www.nrdc.org/experts/amanda-eaken/were-suing-defend-key-transportation-rule

Notice the reference to the Bipartisan policy Center.

 narciso.

Wheels within wheels:

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/09/exclusive-poisonous-atmosphere-grips-mcmasters-national-security-council-as-accusations-fly/?utm_source=site-share

Buckeye

Test

henry

James D, don't hold your breath on Sessions doing that. His action on asset forfeiture puts him on the side of the guys with battering rams.

Buckeye

Test Mitch Rapp.

Don't ask:)

maryrose

They still don't understand all that is President Trump.
They still remain clueless about everyday Americans.
They will not rise again as a majority party in their current form.

Captain Hate

But those pink sneakers worked so well:

http://freebeacon.com/politics/democrats-cant-find-candidate-texas-governor/

James D.

I know, henry. And I find that absolutely appalling.

He's definitely a mixed bag, at best, so far. He's done good work with immigration and the anti-gang stuff, no question. But the asset forfeiture is such a terrible and destructive thing that it's hard to look past it.

rse

I have a question about pdfs. I found a doc this morning (actually put a link up on the previous thread) and everywhere I have found it on servers and downloaded or not it gets to page 50 and just spins and spins with no way to read the remainder of the report.

Does that sound like a problem with whoever created the pdf in the first place?

Miss Marple the Deplorable

In case people thought that the President's "fire and fury" comment was off the cuff:

Ed Morrissey Retweeted
Dan Merica‏Verified account @danmericaCNN 5m5 minutes ago

Mattis stmt: North Korea "should cease any consideration of actions that will lead to the end of the regime and destruction of its people"

Porchlight

His action on asset forfeiture puts him on the side of the guys with battering rams.

Strongly disagree.

Porchlight

The asset forfeiture action has everything to do with the actions against MS-13, the takedown of the dark web, and the pedophile ring investigations and arrests, which are all interrelated. Not with terrorizing law-abiding citizens in FBI raids.

 narciso.

Dewey andreas, will get the job done.

This just in:


www.wnem.com/story/36086506/flint-terrorist-attack-suspect-called-himself-soldier-of-allah

Miss Marple the Deplorable

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/08/09/gym-bans-cable-news-fox-cnn-members

DrJ

rse,

It sounds like a corrupted file. But if you want to send it to me, I'll see what I can do (I have very powerful PDF manipulation tools). I may not be able to do anything, but I can't tell unless I have a look at it.

sbw

rse, must have missed the part in that library pdf that mentions learning.

... and someone should lock up their graphics generator.

Extraneus

Oh no.

Trump's 'fire and fury' comment was improvised and surprised aides: report

President Donald Trump's threat to bring "fire and fury" down on North Korea was entirely improvised and caught his aides by surprise, the New York Times reported Wednesday, citing several people with direct knowledge of what unfolded. Trump appeared to look at a single page of talking points when he made the threat but the piece of paper was a fact sheet on the opioid crisis, the report said.
Stephanie Puppy Pincushion extraordinaire

rse, I work with pdfs all day every day with some specialized software that might can analyze that.

Post another link to it and I will see what happens with my software programs. I have two different ones that I can use.

maryrose

Musa Kusa:
What does this mean or stand for?

Stephanie Puppy Pincushion extraordinaire

Between Dr J and me, we should be able to unlock it. It might have viewports or hyperlink extensions that are causing problems.

Buckeye

Test Mitch Rapp.

Don't ask:)

Trying to determine if active censorship on this blog is widening it's tentacles. Appears so.

Porchlight

President Donald Trump's threat to bring "fire and fury" down on North Korea was entirely improvised and caught his aides by surprise

So?

henry

Porch, The asset forfeiture action has everything to do with the actions against MS-13, etc.

and the unmasking has everything to do with espionage by hostile foreign governments. Although in the unmasking instance, constraints were in place pre-Obama. Sessions just jettisoned constraints on asset forfeiture, overriding available state level protections. I do not believe it will be used for MS13 and not law-abiding citizens. The incentives don't work that way.

maryrose

Why would President Trump use the words fire and fury to refer to the Ollie crisis?
Stop printing stories NYT.
You are so bad now only idiots read you

maryrose

Opioids crisis

cboldt

Reading and spelling are a mix of rules and rote. I remember reading out loud, in class, about "Mr. Horse and Mrs. Horse" and found out that rules-based pronunciation doesn't always work. It was a rude awakening.

A bit like vocabulary, there is no substitute for heaps of rote. Rules only get one "so far."

Buford Gooch

CH, perhaps they could run the sneakers without the formerly attached person. The sneakers would probably do better alone.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

I want to point out that if the "fire and fury" statement was improvised, it demonstrates a streak of poeticism I didn't know Trump had.

Meanwhile, Mattis is out saying Kim better not continue on a path which would lead to regime change and the destruction of his people.

That's a longer form of "fire and fury."

Porchlight

henry,

Obama ignored existing constraints prior to removing some of them. Sessions is at least making changes in the open.

If removal of the asset forfeiture contraints was illegal, let's make that argument.

If it's not illegal, let's also realize that any USAG present or future can do exactly what Sessions did, so....how effective are/were the constraints, really?

henry

legal / illegal are not the same as right and wrong.

JM Hanes

Porchlight:

That's what asset forfeiture is supposed to be used for, but unfortunately, it's almost routinely used to fill slush fund coffers all over the country. Outside of the few states who have recognized the problem and legislated against it, such confiscations have been almost impossible to challenge, because there's absolutely no due process attached to the practice. It is an virtual invitation to corruption, because the confiscating authority gets to keep the money, with the occasional modest split for the Feds, to use as it sees fit -- thus also eliminating the accountability attached to spending officially allocated funds in the bargain.

Buford Gooch

I deal with the folks who seize assets regularly. It has gotten out of hand in some places, and those places get lots of attention (rightfully). Mostly, it takes away ill gotten gains of gangs and cartels, and does it effectively.

 narciso.

Musa ska was the far Libyan y chief that planned loclerbue, was promoted to foreign minister who negotiated the deal with kappes at the company mark Allen at mi 6, and who ever was the French intelligence chief. The deal that Hillary, vague and company broke

sbw

President Donald Trump's threat to bring "fire and fury" down on North Korea was entirely improvised and caught his aides by surprise, the New York Times reported Wednesday

Actually, it caught the NYTimes by surprise. That is a Good Thing.

In addition, it shows Trump to be a student of History. That is also a Good Thing.

Finally, it shows readers of the NYTimes that they are reading less a newspaper than political commentary by a partisan player.

Porchlight

I understand the arguments against civil asset forfeiture.

I'm asking whether there were any meaningful restraints in the first place that couldn't have been easily and legally removed by any USAG in any administration.

If there weren't, then the removal of nominal restraints does not appear to make much difference either way.

It seems to me that Sessions is taking logical and legal actions to advance the agenda items he is very publically tackling and which Trump promised would be tackled.

If there is abuse in certain quarters, and it appears that there is, that should be addressed as what it is - abuse.

henry

Yeah, this is not a good thing.

Don Draper @DonDraperClone
23m

Google ups its game on diversity training:"We'll totally eliminate the potential for another 'James Damore problem'" said an HR spokesperson

Captain Hate

I'm 100% in agreement with what JMH says about asset forfeiture.

Threadkiller

Meanwhile, Mattis is out saying Kim better not continue on a path which would lead to regime change and the destruction of his people.

I assume his aides are equally caught by surprise.

 narciso.

The Libyans who were in Manchester and Leicester square (both are targets in house of spies) would not be remiss in noting the flexible
Position of the western intelligence establishments, mi 6 certainly supported bel Hades Libyan fighting group than were against them with quaddafu post 2005 and supported them with the rebeld

rse

This is one source https://www.boston.gov/sites/default/files/document-file-07-2017/resilient_boston_digital.pdf that showed the same problem.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Yes, TK, all improvised and coincidentally meaning the same thing! Add to this McMaster saying Kim "shouldn't be sleeping well" and it's an amazing improv troop!

If you asked me Maggie Halberstam talked to some interns who were pranking her. They probably rolled theior eyes and said "the Boss makes shit up like that all the time."

So she ran with it as a major scoop.

I absolutely love how stupid the big-shot press is revealing itself to be.

Old Lurker

To my simple mind, regardless of the target, I cannot align my concept of protections afforded all US citizens by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights short of at least a semblance of Due Process. Hell, even the Patriot Act requires the cover of the secret FISA judges.

In addition, my simple mind cannot get around to ever expecting anything but bad things to come when the state actors get to keep and spend the assets they grab without due process from citizens, and without even pretend oversight by the elected representatives in the states involved.

How is that even debatable except in the post constitutional times we enjoy? Can anyone name a regime in all of history where such authority imposed by groups with a state upon private individuals ever ended well for those people?

rse

This is another source http://www.100resilientcities.org/strategies/boston/

I figured on the second you might have better luck if you download.

Problem is in same place on both. Page 50 of the pdf.

It's quite the extensive set of admissions and includes how the ed component fits with everything else. I know that but it says it. I wanted to see what else they are so forthcoming about.

steph-atl and the region not the city limits is another resilient city.

Old Lurker

Further to my 1:33, the argument I have heard from many in government who should be ashamed of themselves is "If the citizen doesn't like it, the citizen is free to sue in court to get their stuff back." Right. Go that?

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Here's Secretary Mattis statement on North Korea. It's an amazing improvisation! Trump was just making stuff up!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGzWB06VwAAaZHD.jpg:large

lyle

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/08/the-democrats-electoral-disadvantage-is-getting-worse.php

Your moment of levity for the day:

The Democrats have refused to accept the result of the 2016 presidential election, and Senate Democrats have done everything possible, despite their minority status, to block President Trump from staffing his administration and making routine judicial appointments. Don’t think the Republicans aren’t taking notes. Next time we have a Democratic president, he or she will in all probability be dealing with a Republican Senate. If a majority-Republican Senate copies the minority Democrats’ 2017 playbook, a Democratic administration can be brought to a halt and never permitted to function. The Democrats asked for it. Let’s hope they get it, good and hard.

One can charitably assume Hinderaker was drunk when he wrote this.

henry

rse, that opens fine for me. p 50 is a "racial/ethnic map" with lots of detail. maybe a memory issue on your end?

Porchlight

Of course I don't disagree with you about the expansion of state power, Old Lurker.

I'm saying that IN THE HERE AND NOW, IF the current asset forfeiture laws are legal and constitutional, what is wrong with using them?

If they are illegal/unconstitutional, where are the lawsuits? What is the legal remedy for these unconstitutional laws and who is or should be applying it?

Right now, the argument seems to be that Jeff Sessions's DoJ should not make use of existing laws that no judicial body has invalidated.

This is coming from the same group who complains loudly every time the very same Jeff Sessions does not use every single legal avenue available to prosecute their preferred DIAF targets.

Buckeye

In addition, my simple mind cannot get around to ever expecting anything but bad things to come when the state actors get to keep and spend the assets they grab without due process from citizens, and without even pretend oversight by the elected representatives in the states involved.

Include me with the simple minded that thinks this is a cluster X 10.

I tried posting a couple times why I think this is a job for our buddy whose initials are MR, but typepad had serious heartburn with my bad behavior:)

Buckeye

And Porch, I thought it equally a cluster X 10 when Obama was using it to fund his pet projects.

rse

Thanks henry. I will ask the in-house computer geek when he gets home.

 narciso.

Civil forfeiture is a tool that has been abused in the past, no doubt but it has its place, no quic custodies custodium 'who watches the watchers' is an important question. Much like the gal antibasque counter terror team, which enmeshed itself in corruption, the puzzle palace analysts who turned their attention to strictly personal endeavouts
Y

lurkersusie

The Manafort raid happened July 26
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-idUSKBN1AP1OR

The predawn raid was conducted at Manafort's home in the Washington suburb of Alexandria without advance warning on July 26, a day after Manafort had met with Senate Intelligence Committee staff members, the Washington Post reported, citing unidentified people familiar with the probe.

The search warrant was wide-ranging and FBI agents working with Robert Mueller, the special counsel named by the U.S. Justice Department in May to head the investigation, departed the home with various records, the Post said. Investigators were looking for tax documents and foreign banking records, the New York Times reported.

maryrose

Clarice:
You are on the Realclearpolitics page today.

rse

buckeye-he is reading here today because i got a text earlier while the diva and I were playing the not-so-fun game of share the same vehicle.

I think I will feel a bit like the skipping mom in the school supplies commercial with the prospect of her leaving for her sophomore year.

Old Lurker

Because it is so easy for the mom & pop who own a 7-11 to sue the government over what they think was an illegal seizure of the bag of cash they were taking to the bank, Porch?

I'm saying that IN THE HERE AND NOW, it is way too easy for the state to trample on the citizens and way way to hard for any single citizen to defend from that, except by electing representatives who WILL respect the Constitution and protect them from the State. Except, having done that, the Swamp still wins because the reps on both sides like it just fine that way, and for now, Swamp Critters agree to eat the defenseless and not each other.

And please don't extrapolate what some of us have said against Sessions in the recent past as inconsistent with unleashing every hick sheriff along I-95 to loot any car driving north.

 narciso.

Degaulles team wee called the sac, they were on the whole gangster contracted by le piscine, the nickname of their security service, against the as, whic5h were ex French military often special forces, this is la femme Nikita comes from,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/141720.stm

Porchlight

But "who watches the watchers" is always an important question. All laws can be abused.

boatbuilder

So Flathead is in essential agreement with Trump on The Wall, immigration, trade, Islam, and political correctness?

I may have to rethink my support for Trump.;-)

Please tell me the NYT comment section is full of exploding heads and Hitler references.

Porchlight

And please don't extrapolate what some of us have said against Sessions in the recent past as inconsistent with unleashing every hick sheriff along I-95 to loot any car driving north.

So you can make strawman arguments, but I can't?

lyle

From PJM:

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1nAKEenzoXlKL

Conservative Florida-based radio host John Cardillo made some excellent points on Periscope today regarding the Mueller investigation.

The former NYPD cop says that Paul Manifort's home was raided by the FBI because Mueller was not comfortable that Manifort was going to turn over all documents he and the Senate Intelligence Committee requested.

"Paul Manifort turned over approximately 400 pages -- including his FARA filing -- and he produced this on August 2," Cardillo said. "What is really troubling though, is that there were no pre-dawn raids of either Fusion GPS's offices or [Fusion CEO] Glenn Simpson's home." He added, "Fusion produced zero -- ZERO! -- pages despite being subject to the same requests as Paul Manifort."

He pointed out that Trump Jr has turned over 250 pages and the Trump campaign a whopping 20,000 pages.

"Fusion GPS and Glenn Simpson produced ZERO!" he exclaimed. "So what does that tell us? It tells us that there's something really rotten with Mueller's investigation and something really rotten at the FBI" which he noted is being run by Andrew McCabe, who he called an "overt Hillary operative."

Be very concerned.

Is there any other kind of "Hillary operative"?

Buckeye

rse

I know how you feel. Buckeyette made a plea to her parents to let her move back in on a "temporary basis".

She was contemplating grad school and didn't want to renew her lease as she thought she might need to move.

That was last July, and no she hasn't gotten serious about grad school.

I think she really likes how well her mother does the laundry, and how well her father cooks:)

lyle

Please tell me the NYT comment section is full of exploding heads and Hitler references.

Doesn't this occur pretty much daily?

Old Lurker

Seriously, Porch, exactly how was mine a Strawman Argument?

Stephanie Puppy Pincushion extraordinaire

Same here Henry... it took it about 10 seconds and I can access everything.

RSE see if you can download blubeam revu free version and see if you have better luck with that than Adobe (which sux ass on complicated pdfs). It has some tools that might assist with cleaning up weedy pdfs.

 narciso.

Ignatius before he joined the swamp, had some interesting things to say in fiction, how the Lebanese militias came into being, (due to the invitation, the squirrel franjieh made to the plo, after black September, around the time of Oreo Er ones aporiach to salameh, the opratuonal arm of munich

exdemocrat

"President Donald Trump's threat to bring "fire and fury" down on North Korea ... caught his aides [I.E. THE ONES THAT USUALLY SPY FOR US] by surprise, the New York Times reported Wednesday"

fixed it

Threadkiller

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/08/michelle_obamas_nasty_rotty_school_lunch_guru_busted_for_corruption.html

boatbuilder

Why "pre-dawn?" is there any reason for that other than to terrify, embarrass and disrupt the home of the "target?" Did they think that if they showed up with a warrant at 9:00 Manafort would have been up since 5 AM deleting files, destroying hard drives and shredding paper?
Storm Trooper tactics. Assholes.

 narciso.

Secret army organization and Robert ames approach. The former were veterans of indochina and Algeria who turned on degaulle, so he turned to the milieu

lyle

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/did-google-just-choke-on-its-woke/

You don't have to click. I just chuckled at the headline.

Ralph L

OL, England had fig-leafed acts of attainder until when, the Stuarts? Kept the nobles in line, sort of.

Captain Hate

Exactly, boatbuilder; these are police state tactics that have no place in a country that purportedly values freedom.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Threadkiller,

One thing that school lunch program did: it made my grandson a conservative Republican.

Stephanie Puppy Pincushion extraordinaire

Another good tool for pdf issues is Abbyy transformer. I don't know if they have a free version or not.

I think both are free trial versions, but it might be worth checking out both and possibly purchasing one if you do a lot with pdfs.

cboldt

US v. The Amistad, 40 U.S. (15 Pet.) 518 resembles a civil forfeiture case, but then a fairly wide swath of admiralty law does.

Current abuses of civil forfeiture rely on drug prohibition laws. Prohibition is big, international business. Tons of money on both sides of the war.

 narciso.

Ignatius disguised the names ames became tom Kelly, if memory serves salameh became ramlawi. The old man presumably was presumably arafats uncle and Hitler's house guest hajj amin husseini

Miss Marple the Deplorable

I was so pleased to direct this guy to Mattis' statement, which basically said the same thing:

Evan McMullin‏Verified account @Evan_McMullin 4m4 minutes ago

This has been my concern: that the President's rhetoric on North Korea is off the cuff, influenced by bravado and without strategic thought.

cboldt

lyle - Mueller's raiders are not looking at "Russian interference" or the DEMs, at all. They aren't supposed to. That crew exists to examine criminal conduct by the Trump campaign, and only that.

So the fact that Mueller isn't raiding Fusion GPS or its officers is not a surprise at all. Not that Fusion didn't maybe commit a crime, not that the DEMs didn't maybe collude as much or more than Trump (there is evidence they did), not that McCain didn't collude against Trump (there is evidence he did); just that Comey in cooperation with the politicians in Congress decided it was important to the public to impose a with-hunt against Trump.

narciso

It took me years to figure thatl astone out, even in fiction, he chose to be cryptic, that last character tells ramlawi that one must be as ruthless as the jews, but arafat wasn't even fifty back then.

exdemocrat

MM - think McCain and the eggman will have the balls to anle-bite this guy too?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/09/gen-mattis-warns-north-korea-not-to-invite-destruction-its-people.html

DrJ

rse,

Your file downloaded fine for me too, even into Steph's hated Acrobat Reader.

cboldt

Mccain can rely on the press to make sure his criticism of Trump gets plenty of time and coverage, and to make sure he is never called to remark on Mattis.

cboldt

BTW, the FBI is, at last on paper, now run by Christopher Wray. McCabe is back to Deputy.

exdemocrat

*ankle-bite*

cboldt

@realDonaldTrump - 2:14 PM - 9 Aug 2017
Seems we all have excessive expectations, and 7 years of promises from Congress turn out to be 7 years of gaslighting. LOL. Who knew?

sbw

OL and Porch, Civil Forfiture may be a legitimate tool, but any assets should go straight into the treasury and not benefit any local police force, government, or favored entity.

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