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August 11, 2017

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Clarice Feldman

She's a goddess, T M--ask anyone who marched with pink pussy hats.

Threadkiller

Thank goodness we don't have to look at that crude gif anymore.

;-)

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

It's Friday...but Sunday's comin'.
Listen.

Captain Hate

Curb Dive lurching around for an alternative occupation only underscores what a massive failure she's been at everything other than convincing dickweeds in the MFM that she's really really smart.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

I have decided Apalled is in the David French column, in which everything isn't good enough.

Paris Climate withdrawal? Doesn't matter.

Draining the Swamp? Just ignore those layoffs at State amd pending ones in the EPA, new regulations for the VA, getting on McConnell's rear in public, cutting regulations, requiring 2 regulations gone for every new one, reducing the debt, pushing for tax cuts, supporting Flake's primary challenger via proxy, etc. etc.

Ignore the new Supreme Court Justice, who is NOT his sister or some hack but a stellar appointment.

Ignore his cabinet, the best in my lifetime.

Trump speaks bluntly and with a Queens accent! He's not all manly according to beta standards!

Bah.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Exactly MM.
That's why I noted all of his objections are to Trump's words.
I'll bet Appalled has never spotted the pea under the thimble in his life.

cboldt

Newsdump Friday.

sbw

If North Korea sent missiles toward Guam or the US, could the US missile defense system shoot them down? Should it? http://apne.ws/c1zJiq4 ?

@sbwTweet 2h2 hours ago

@AP, tries to master delivering “news” on #socialmedia-slips on a banana peel landing with foot in mouth. Not #fakenews. Not news at all.

cboldt

Manly types that didn't work out so well in practice - Jesse "the body" Ventura and Arnold "I'll be back" Schwartzeneger.

They're all tough, in a fashion, but I prefer them to be looking out for their constituents and not some crony, fellow gang-member, or globalist interest.

henry

On what planet is that a saying?

Jane (Stand against the Coup)

Ralph, the NR people are all over the map on Trump. The publisher, now VP, is a Trump supporter, voted for him and continues to support him. Their writers are also all over the map. On the last cruise it was probably 50-50 in favor of Trump, and 90% of the cruisers were pro-Trump. There is no internal division that I'm aware of.

We, of course, did boo Jonah at departure, but it was all in good fun.

cboldt


Trump’s baffling attacks on McConnell

His comments about McConnell are far more baffling. That McConnell has become a target for criticism is an unexpected and possibly destructive turn in Trump’s presidency. ...

Republican congressional leaders are certainly vulnerable to criticism. For seven years, they took the easy path, railing against the Affordable Care Act, promising to repeal it, voting scores of times to do so when there was no possibility that they would have to take responsibility for their actions. They reaped the political benefits of making Obamacare a political punching bag to rouse their conservative base. When it counted, when there was a president who would sign such a bill, they couldn’t deliver.

And of course, it is baffling that Trump would notice this, and have the temerity to criticize McConnell by name.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Bringing this to the new thread as I'm about to leave;
--

when even Iggy, one the best read of my friends and from whom I learn so much, says that SCOTUS blesses Civil Forfeiture so what are you gonna do--

OL,
It's fine to be Chicken Little so long as a chunk of the sky doesn't bonk you on the head and cause reading misapprehension.
I said it's unlikely relief from civil forfeiture laws will come from SCOTUS because some comments sounded as though SCOTUS hadn't ruled. It did. It's not likely to reverse though it's possible.
However, there are all manner of things that people could "gonna do" if they wanted to. Most revolve around congress though Trump could take action as well. Unfortunately his AG seems disinclined to take the kind of action required.
Congress could reform it or eliminate it. Congress could remove judicial jurisdiction from it if it does change the law. States and localities could constrain it. The people could raise enough of a ruckus to cause
action.
The same unlikely conflation of ideologies that makes a SCOTUS reversal improbable is exactly the kind of conflation that could make pothead libertarians, constitutionalists, ACLU maggots, big L Libertarians, conservatarians, cop haters and the growing number of people who just hate government in general into a potent force to eliminate it.
There's plenty that could be done. There is still enough self governance that some of it even might be done, but it's up to the people to make it happen.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

damn it

Dave (in MA)

Jane,

Marty Meehan's wife wants to run for the seat being vacated by Paul Tsongsas' wife.

Jack is Back!

From TM, last thread:

Yes, shooting down the missiles denies important test info to the NoKoreans. BUT... what if we fail?

From my limited experience in Air Intel during my reserve duty, if seems that the Nork's major issue is not launch but re-entry (IOW's target efficiency, if any). Having an ICBM with a fitted warhead is only as good as its geo-spatial navigation and targetting systems. I think the IC analysis by DIA especially has been to pinpoint that particular weakness. Plus I don't think their delivery system is MIRV accommodated, like we and the Russians.

I keep wondering if we haven't hacked their guidance and re-entry systems and know in a pretty precise manner their target confidence. A gut feeling is that it is not up to scratch and we know it.

cboldt

NR: Conservatives Against Trump

I suppose the half of NR that is for Trump is on the janitorial staff.

Dave (in MA)
It's Friday...but Sunday's comin'
And I think I only have three beers in the fridge.
Frau  Steingehirn

"Newsdump Friday"

...another name for Curb Dive?


cboldt , Schwarzenegger was the bigger surprise. He was put forth as the uniter and he sure blew that. He caved early in, but his craziness was not the ArtBell kind.

henry

Dave, can't get beer on Sunday?

Threadkiller

Wow. This thread is target rich for the new hall monitor.

Appalled

Iggy:

The main person distracted by Trump's distractions seems to be Trump. We will see if I am proved wrong.

GUS

Ah yes!! Sunday is when Rev Rodham sends Susan Rice out to lie on TV!!!!

Dave (in MA)

henry,

These days, sure. Most of the stupid blue laws have been relaxed. Now it's up to the towns.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

For the secular side of TGIF, here's an oldie but goody: Five O'Clock World:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ9Nm_c3GVY

cboldt

Former Mueller deputy on Trump: 'Government is going to kill this guy'

CNN counterterrorism analyst Phil Mudd warned that President Trump is agitating the government, saying during a Thursday afternoon interview with CNN anchor Jake Tapper that the U.S. government "is going to kill this guy."
Threadkiller

We will see if I am proved wrong.

You will see if you are proved right. We have already seen that you have been proved wrong.

Old Lurker

Iggy, thanks for the expansion at 11:17.

Frau  Steingehirn am Freitag

GUS wins with his opening comment!

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Not here in Indiana, Dave. The big fight is over Sunday sales. You can buy a beer at a restaurant but liquor stores are closed and you can't buy beer or liquor at the grocery, either.

The current fight here seems to be an unlikely marriage between strict Christians and liquor stores. The Christians think it shouldn't be sold on Sunday as it seems to them to be against their tenets.

The liquor stores, having lost the battle of beer, wine and hard liquor being sold in the groceries, now don't want the Sunday sales because it will increase their overhead while groceries already have the overhead, being already open on Sundays. Liquor stores would have to pay for additional help.

Fascinating case of politics making strange bedfellows.

Sort of like NeverTrumpers throwing in with the left.

Jane (Stand against the Coup)

Dave,

That's bad news, right? Meehan's name rings a bad bell for me.

Captain Hate

cboldt , Schwarzenegger was the bigger surprise. He was put forth as the uniter and he sure blew that. He caved early in, but his craziness was not the ArtBell kind

Yes it didn't seem unrealistic at the time to expect him to be better than he proved to be. Ventura, if not seriously mentally ill, has a constant craving to be the center of controversy which works pretty well in a state like Minnesota as far as being elected but not so well once in office.

Jane (Stand against the Coup)

I'll make sure I tell the publisher that cbolt, even if your article is from Glenn Beck and February 2016.

Frau  Steingehirn am Freitag

A new hall monitor? I hope it's Emily. She's excellent.

Buckeye

A gut feeling is that it is not up to scratch and we know it.

I think you are right Jack.

Jack is Back!

Verassing! (Surprise in Flemish:)

The U.S. Government is going to kill Trump?

At least he is honest about it. Of course, they are going to do it. Impeachment was never the tactic but rather the diversion. If Trump only sleeps 5 hours a night they want to whittle that down to deprivation and then sneak in for the kill.

Hell, I wouldn't put it past the #NeverTrumpers and the haters (Dems) out there to be colluding with the NORK's to ramp up their rhethoric and missle tests. When you read Buchanan, Black, Bruce and others, it sure seems that way.

 joan

I clicked on the link 'becoming a minister' and read a little bit to my husband and then showed him HRC's picture, and he grinned and said, "Is Bill going to be her choir director?"

Made me laugh.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

I think that street art guy in Los Angeles is at it again:

Appalled

How many of you actually believe this:

Republican Leadership - More afraid of being accused of being called a racist, sexist, homophobe or Islamophobe than of failing to enforce their oaths to "support and defend the Constitution," the Republican Establishment accepts and enforces cultural Marxist memes within its own sphere of operations. In doing so, knowingly or not, it becomes an agent of that. These "conservatives" become increasingly indistinguishable from their democratic counterparts save that they misrepresent themselves to their constituents . Lacking the discernment to recognize their situation, they will work with globalists, corporatists, and the international financial interests and will likewise service the deep state. These establishment Republicans are the hard left's designated defeat mechanism in the destruction of the old regime as well as the American ideal. Because candidate Trump publicly exposed them for their duplicitous activities, they are at risk as long as Trump can turn on them and are, therefore, bitter foes. Candidate Trump's success remains an ongoing existential threat to establishment Republicans.

If you believe this to be true, how should the Trump administration respond? Try to work with Mitch? Or go ahead with the GOP divorce?

This is from a leaked memo by a now fired NSC aide that apparently the President saw and liked. I am curious what reasonable actions a person can take from such a document except overthrow the Republican Party.

(Source is here: http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/10/heres-the-memo-that-blew-up-the-nsc/)

henry

Appalled, unique in his ability to turn being wrong up to 11.

Wictor suggests that memo is a fake. It certainly is incoherent. But it fits in Appalled's fantasy world.

Appalled

Jack:

Just to be clear, you think the ragtag nevertrump brigade and the Dems are plotting to assassinate Trump, and may be ginning up the NORK business to get that accomplished.

I never figured you would go full Oliver Stone, but, as TK reminds me, I have been proved wrong before....

Appalled

henry:

Not the question asked -- but nice to know someone has the good sense to claim it's a fake.

derwill, yet another adorable, irredeemable deplorable

Appalled is being disingenuous. On the one hand he pretends to be critical of Trump for not draining the swamp fast enough. On the other hand, he says he has to side with the swamp, because Trump is . . . I don't know, icky or something.

Draining the swamp is dirty--and dangerous--work. It was never going to get done over tea and crumpets, with one's little finger crooked just so while while languidly sipping from a delicate china cup.

sbw

Trump’s way is straight forward. Congress’ way is circles within circles.

Trump just pointed it out. Nothing wrong with that.

Deal with it.

Stephanie Puppy Pincushion extraordinaire

100% agree.. we have overthrown the R party. They just don't know it yet.

BTW PHat, you stated one of your gripes with Trump was for supporting the Healthcare bill because it didn't go far enough, yet miss that incrementalism is exactly the tactic that should be employed to claw back from the ledge. If you never take the first step, you don't get anywhere. The left was successful for years for always "leaning forward" and pushing change bit by bit all the while lying that this is the final stop and no we don't want same sex marriage, the bottom 50% to be able to vote themselves goodies and keep us in power providing them that, etc etc... and those incremental changes are never rolled back.. why do you think they so quickly make them toxic for any to disagree with them or declare them 3rd rails that can't be touched? Or can't you see it?

Nevermind. Tactics aren't yours or Patterico's strong suit. He's still convinced he won the argument with Goldstein over 'I hope he fails" from 08-9 and the language wars.

Frau  Steingehirn am Freitag

Appalled -
From The Hill article:

CNN counterterrorism analyst Phil Mudd warned that President Trump is agitating the government, saying during a Thursday afternoon interview with CNN anchor Jake Tapper that the U.S. government "is going to kill this guy."

Wouldn't Mr. Mudd have said "kill-kill" if he meant an actual murder?
Words have meaning, right?

My question: Who really is the U.S. Government?

Appalled

Stephanie:

The "something" being proposed in the Healthcare bill was something completely unworkable, and very little concern about whether it was workable or not. McConnell's first idea (repeal at a date certain) was a better one for replacing Obamacare than Trump's hamfisted intervention demanding a replacement come with the repeal.

Tactics aren't Trump's strong suit, at least when it comes to legislation. On Healthcare, his got him nothing except something to be upset on Twitter about.

-peter

Most HR departments will not terminate an employee on Friday because of increased chances of suicide and good luck finding a doctor who works on Friday in The new York area.

cboldt

Jane - when I looked at the linked NR article, Beck was just the first entry. Also coming out against Trump were Boaz, Bozell, Charen, Domenech, Erickson, Hayward, Helprin, Kristol, Yuval Levin, Loesch, McCarthy, McIntosh, Medved, Meese, Moore, Mukasey, Pavlich, Podhoretz, Reno, Sowell, and Thomas.

The article is by "The Editors." I suppose it's reasonable to conclude they weren't serious then; or some of them weren't serious.

Glad you had a good time on the cruise.

Extraneus

People who speak with New Yawk accents are the hicks of the north, and we can't have any hicks in the Country Club.


JM Hanes

Old Lurker:

Your "chicken little" comment in the last thread was heartbreaking in its way. I recognize the underlying desperation that's often so hard to keep in check. It seems so terribly ironic, although that's not quite the right word, to end up being more discouraged than ever right when the stars finally seemed aligned in favor of real change. What depresses me most is not the opposition players, but the fact that we may fail because Republicans seem determined to hobble our own team's president instead of sending him transformative legislation to sign as fast as they can write it.

Until recently, I'd have described myself as an idealist, but that's harder to do all the time. I must admit, I rely on the optimists at JOM to keep my cynicism at tolerable levels -- and on the notion that there are a lot of people like us out there. I have to keep reminding myself that when you drain a swamp, the swamp is going to fight back, and that winning the election was just the start of what will necessarily be a long ugly fight. I also wonder if perhaps the arrogance of the kind of Nantucket Trump-haters you described, and the monomaniacal myopia their condescension begets, isn't the opposition's Achilles heel.

In any case, I just wanted to let you know that I really appreciated your (beautifully written) comment.

Threadkiller

McConnell's first idea (repeal at a date certain) was a better one for replacing Obamacare than Trump's hamfisted intervention demanding a replacement come with the repeal.

I thought Trump was powerless to intervene? "Can't impeach them blah blah blah.."

Now you flop back to him controlling congress.

BTW, what is the Senate resolution number to McConnell's "first idea," Appalled?

Extraneus

Baltimore High School With Zero Students Proficient In Math Has Highest Graduation Rate

87%

Sue

Who needs math?

Extraneus

Republican senators rally around Mitch McConnell following Trump's attacks

"@SenateMajLdr has been the best leader we've had in my time in the Senate, through very tough challenges. I fully support him," Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, said Thursday on Twitter.

Sens. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., and Dean Heller, R-Nev., who themselves have been on the receiving end of Trump's criticisms, also reiterated their support for McConnell.

".@SenateMajLdr does a tough job well," Flake tweeted Thursday. "He has my support."

"I look forward to @SenateMajLdr's leadership as we work to reduce Americans' taxes," Heller said on his Twitter account.

Republicans still have a lengthy list of items to complete after returning from the August recess, including several issues topping Trump's agenda, and Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn, R-Texas, encouraged Trump to work with McConnell, instead of against him.

Old Lurker

Thank you, JMH.

derwill, yet another adorable, irredeemable deplorable

See, I have always thought that Trump never really expected the GOPe to pass a healthcare bill. And I'm basing this observation on what Trump has tweeted, and done/not done throughout the entire fiasco.

1) He knew they would never pass a bill out of the gate that came from his own administration, because they want him to fail.
2) He steps back and lets them fight over their own bills, knowing nothing would get passed because their heart was never in it and the MSM would intimidate and scare them into backing off in any event.
3) He gives them token support, but doesn't waste much of his own capital on their destined to fail bills with rallies, etc.
4) Periodically he reminds the voters of how Obamacare is collapsing if something isn't done.
5) He blames GOPe leadership for the failure to get anything done. [this is where we are now]
6) Obamacare collapses, voters are angry, demand action, Trump sends Price's bill to congress, points to their past failures to fix the situation and tells them now we do it my way.
7) Forced by events to finally do something, they do it his way.

Jack is Back!

Appalled,

So, its okay for a former spook to use the word "kill" on national TV in reference to an action on a sitting POTUS but not for me to speculate on how they would do it?

Do you think it was metaphorical, like in "kill his spirit"? Or, "kill his agenda"? Or, "kill his resolve"?

Only after you tell me what you believe how the word "kill" was intended than I will tell you how my scenario I discribed is either a parody on their rethoric or whether it is a serious consideration.

-peter

The Clinton m.o. is always calculating. If curb dive is cloaking herself in clerical robes someone must have tipped her off that some criminal liability is coming up

JM Hanes

Appalled:

"If you believe this to be true, how should the Trump administration respond? Try to work with Mitch? Or go ahead with the GOP divorce?"

Seems to me that the Republican Senate is the side that is desperately seeking the divorce, and they may just get it this time. Along with a lot of their fellow travelers in the so-called conservative commentariat, they seem to believe that if they can cut Trump off at the pass, the failed president's chastened constituency will return to the fold. That's not going to happen. Unless they figure out that they can use a Republican president, no matter what they think of him, and actually get something done, Trump supporters will never forgive them. They'll either go third party, or stay home, while the Republicans who are left will be permanently consigned to the wilderness -- with no one but themselves to blame.

Stephanie Puppy Pincushion extraordinaire

Funny... I thought McConnell ran on repeal and replace not repeal in haste replace at leisure.

Again... something was better than nothing and the bill was just a building shell that needing some improvements and renovations. Knocking down old walls (Ocare regs) and moving those walls (disabling the taxes in Ocare) and hanging the sheetrock (market based reforms) and all of that was to be done by the carpenter Price under the rubric of 'the secretary shall's' in concert with a bill that would require 60 votes that was to be put forth later. Now we have no building, crumbling walls and no tools for the carpenter to use to do the renovations. All cause y'all just want to draw up building plans for a new glorious overpriced and overbudget building that is only in the concept phase... meanwhile all the homeless and rodents are moving in and making the necessary repairs worse. Helluva way to build a solid structure.

Appalled

Derwill:

That's kind of playing with people's lives for political advantage, and depends on a calculation people won't blame him. That's not how I read Trump, who hates the appearance of losing. If it turns out that way, I will either eat one of my Stetsons or send it to you.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Extraneus,

Those quotes fail to persuade me that Trump was wrong.

I suppose I shouldn't notice that all 3 quotes are from guys who go to Mitt Romney's church. Also in that group is Evan McMullin and Mike Lee.

Quite the coincidence.

Captain Hate

I'm incredulous at how witless the GOP has been since the election, easily dropping below the anticipated threshold. Hatch and Flake were already on my shit list, with plenty of room for Heller and anyone else.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Meanwhile, here is Evan McMullin's Twitter feed. Thought I would point out that this jerk got a lot of votes from the Never Trumper bunch.

https://twitter.com/Evan_McMullin

This guy hopefully will end up seeing the inside of a federal prison for conspiracy to commit sedition.

Stephanie Puppy Pincushion extraordinaire

Just what were McCain, and the idiobitches doing cahooting with McConnell to scuttle the bill?

Playing with people's lives for political gain and in McCain's case stroking his ego.


Speaking of which, I've read that brain tumors can cause megalomania and I think we have seen major evidence that McCain is going further over the edge in that aspect of his disease. There needs to be a major demand that he resign. In the last few weeks he has taken great glee in scuttling the health plan and putting forth several foreign policy actions that he demands the Pentagon implement as he isn't enamored of Trump/Mattis policies... Who the fuck does he think he is? The megalomania has him thinking these actions are his due for being who he is and are extremely dangerous. Someone needs to remove him to a rubber room stat.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

I am pleasantly surprised that Lindsey Graham is begining to make sense. Maybe it's because McCain has gone back to Arizona.

Here is his Twitter comment on North Korea and President Trump. There are several tweets hooked under the first one.

https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/896046332305080320

Threadkiller

Did you find that Resolution number yet, Appalled, or was McConnell playing with with people's lives for political advantage?

Stephanie Puppy Pincushion extraordinaire

There's a comment from Kev on the last thread that begs reading. About why he's been away for awhile.

cboldt

TAPPER: Phil, to reiterate, obviously when you're talking about killing, you're using that as a metaphor.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Obviously. People talk about the deep state. When you disrespect government officials who have done 20 or 30 years they're going to say, really? Vladimir Putin sends officers home and you support him before you support --

CNN Aug 10 5pm

Hahahaha, "Unidentified Male" makes remarks in earlier transcripts too. Transparent record obfuscation by CNN.

James D.

What depresses me most is not the opposition players, but the fact that we may fail because Republicans seem determined to hobble our own team's president instead of sending him transformative legislation to sign as fast as they can write it.

This is how I feel, too.

I truly believed that after the election, after seeing how the polls and the MSM were wrong about everything, after seeing that punching the Dem/MSM bullies in the face actually worked, after seeing how many millions of people responded to President Trump's message, after seeing how completely unhinged and dangerous the left has become...that the Congressional GOP and the "conservative" punditry would get on board.

Maybe not all of them, maybe not with the greatest enthusiasm, but I truly believed the GOP would take real advantage of the victory President Trump gave them, and support him.

And they just haven't. They're back to the same tired excuses, and the same bullshit they fed us when they were in the minority. And worse, a lot of them are in active opposition, or at a minimum sitting back and providing cover and moral support for the opposition.

They really would rather lose, rather let the Dem/MSM bullies give them wedgies day in and day out, and tear down everyone who actually tries and wants to win.

JM Hanes

Interesting development, via Instapundit: China warns Norks:

China won’t come to North Korea’s help if it launches missiles threatening U.S. soil and there is retaliation, a state-owned newspaper warned on Friday, but it would intervene if Washington strikes first.
I had to laugh at this admonition, given the Chinese predilection for sabre rattling themselves:
“China hopes that all relevant parties will be cautious on their words and actions, and do things that help to alleviate tensions and enhance mutual trust, rather than walk on the old pathway of taking turns in shows of strength, and upgrading the tensions.”
Guess it depends on who's rattling whom.

Tom Maguire
From my limited experience in Air Intel during my reserve duty, if seems that the Nork's major issue is not launch but re-entry (IOW's target efficiency, if any).

I can't decide whether my next question is ludicrous or genius but here goes - can we jam or spoof North Korean radar so that they can't track the re-entry and thereby judge their accuracy? Shooting it down won't matter if they can't learn anything from the result.

Or will they have boats in international waters with eyes on their prize?

Extraneus

Is this the look of a man of destiny or what?

Extraneus

Here's a link to the full pic.

https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/john-mccain-cancer-treatment-arizona.jpg?w=720&quality=85

narciso

Mudd is one of those gman seconded to the counter terror center, he had a tome of his wit and wisdom some time ago. You can guess the nature of it.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/11/trump-fans-gleefully-appropriate-trump-chicken-meme-magic/

I have seen a lot more than are featured in this article, but it is great that the Reddit boys can churn these out so quickly!

cboldt

-- Just what were McCain, and the idiobitches doing cahooting with McConnell to scuttle the bill? --

Or seven years of signaling an intention to repeal, when no such intention existed. More "playing with people's lives for political gain" The way i see it, there is NOTHING government and politicians do, that isn't "playing with people's lives for political gain."

Dave (in MA)

Sundar's trouser crease isn't looking so sharp this week. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/11/opinion/sundar-pichai-google-memo-diversity.html

henry

TM, any and everybody with a satellite can track their missile. Even their partner in crime Iran. Shoot it down, then convert facilities to rubble.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Stephanie,

Thank you for calling kev's post to our attention! I had just assumed he was traveling!

Kev, Get well soon! That surgery sounds frightening! Thanks for letting us know!

narciso

Ditto appalled you believe it, you voted for Obama becaus you craved unicorns,

JM Hanes

Appalled:

Your objections to Trump are weaker than weak tea for somebody breathlessly awaiting his impeachment.

Appalled

TK:

Since it's the House, not the Senate who started the legislation (you know, the Constitution and all that), I take your invitation to dig into the bill numbers as a waste of time.

However, for your reference, this:

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/newsletters/washington-health-policy-in-review/2016/dec/december-19-2016/mcconnell-obamacare-repeal-to-come-before-replace

Porchlight

Spicy orange chicken:

Buckeye

Baltimore High School With Zero Students Proficient In Math Has Highest Graduation Rate

87%

We are raising another generation of fucking idiots.


Extraneus

EXCLUSIVE: Congressman Circulates Letter To Ask For Mueller To Appear In Public Congressional Hearing

“Every nominee for United States Attorney must be confirmed by the Senate, a process that brings to the forefront any concerns regarding the nominee’s ability to hold their position in a decent and impartial manner. However, as Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller III and his team of lawyers investigate our very own president, we as a nation wait in the dark with very little information about those given this great authority,” Babin wrote in the letter to his fellow representatives.

Good point.

Clarice Feldman

I'm hoping we do now how to mess with the missiles so they turn around and hit Fatso missiles and palace and we can pin it on poor NoKo engineering. Evil, I know.Didn't Fatso claim the first missiles failed because they'd been hacked?

Stephanie Puppy Pincushion extraordinaire

We are raising another generation of fucking idiots.

if I were to add 'by idiots who were fucking and had no bidness bringing more chillens into their world' would that be insensitive of me?

Or a rayciss twofer? Idiots is soooo multi culti inclusive, though, I'm stumped. There is also the argument of raising a brood of invaders to consider as the left has redefined rayciss to include religions... I'm so confused.

Threadkiller

Ahhh... I need to do your homework?

You said: "McConnell's first idea (repeal at a date certain) was a better one for replacing Obamacare

But you have found no evidence that The Senate Majority Leader ever brought such an action before the Senate.

It appears your new defense is to blame The House.

I'm getting the feeling that you don't have goal posts at all.

derwill, yet another adorable, irredeemable deplorable

--That's not how I read Trump, who hates the appearance of losing.--

Well, you have yet to read Trump right once, so . . .

Trump has said many times he's not afraid to walk away from a deal --which gives "the appearance" of losing, but isn't in fact losing if the deal you walk away from isn't a good deal.

And I suppose it doesn't occur to you that his tweets to his 100 million followers blaming McConnell for the Senate's failure to do something about Obamacare just might be cementing in his voters minds just where the blame actually does lie--with McConnell, the guy whose job it was to marshall the votes, and yet who failed to do so.

Appalled

JIB:

I owe you a limited apology, as I had not looked at the cboldt article you were referencing. Not for the first time, I probably should have kept my mouth shut. What set me off was the "impeachment was never the tactic but the diversion"." Because I read that as an assertion that literal (not figurative) murder is what you had in mind. So apologies. If I am to criticize you, I'd rather it be for something you actually said.

JMH:

3.5 years of noise and futility is what we face with Tromp, IMHO, as well as a Conservatism so tarred with Trump, that it will not see power again in our lifetime. That bothers me, because the left went beyond the pale in the Obama years, and has not returned yet.

So I'd rather Trump gone, and impeachment is the only way to do it. I think the way he has not divorced himself from his family affairs provides the high crimes necessary to meet the Constitutional standard, even if nobody really truly cares about that.

Threadkiller

Appalled, I will do my best to leave this debate alone. You are the most disingenuous person I have delt with since the afterbirthers and the Winged Chariot Warriors fled the scene.

I am certain that Jindal will welcome you into his 100%, but he does think of the Party as being stupid.

Good luck with your concern trolling.

derwill, yet another adorable, irredeemable deplorable

--So I'd rather Trump gone, and impeachment is the only way to do it. --

Sorry to intrude on your fantasy, Appalled, but impeachment would not remove Trump from office. (See: Cinton, Bill) Only conviction in the Senate could do that. And conviction requires a 2/3 vote.

Take a look at the states that voted for Trump and the states that have Republican senators, and do the math.

narciso

And you read Obama entirely wrong, were still trying to fix what this zapatero wannabe broke.

Appalled

derwill:

What will slowly become evident over time is that people tire of the Trump tweeting, the endless bashing of people because things did not work out quite the way he wanted. Think of how you react when one of those negative political ads comes on the TV, accusing Congressman A of all manner of vile deeds. Do you tune out -- go "there he goes again"?

TK:

I predict you will be as successful as I have been. Cheers.

narciso

In living memory many of the most affirmative ctiers of collusion actually were in league with the Soviets with Iran either out of ignorance of malice North Korea is,as pointed out in league with cuba now.

JM Hanes

Appalled:

You're beginning to sound like the girl who blamed Trump for destroying her sex life.

Appalled

derwill:

I know impeachment is step 1. But if it happened in the House, because enough GOP were sick of the guy, conviction would happen in the Senate. Now if we get to 2019, and the Dems take charge of the House, I can see an impeachment without conviction. And two more years of noise and futility.

derwill, yet another adorable, irredeemable deplorable

--What will slowly become evident over time is that people tire of the Trump tweeting, the endless bashing of people because things did not work out quite the way he wanted. 00

Yeah, people will support impeachment and conviction and all the political and economic upheaval that that will entail because they're tired of Trump's tweeting.

Meanwhile, the economy in the little resort town I live in has been going gang-busters ever since Trump assumed office. That's what the average voter cares about.

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