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August 22, 2017

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Tom R

Roll Tide #1

daddy

OT.

Great Upheaval Chapter 4 was excellent. I have 1 small quibble though.

On page 183 Winik says this of Ben Franklin:

While his circle of friends was among the most fascinating in history---his acquaintances included David Hume, Bishop Berkeley, Adam Smith, Edmund Burke, Voltaire, Noah Webster, Sir Isaac Newton, Jeremy Bentham, Diderot, and Immanuel Kant, as well as the Enlightenment princess Ekaterina Dashkova of Russia, an intimate of Catherine The Great herself---his colleagues often couldn't stand him...

My understanding was Franklin never met Newton tho' he certainly wanted to and mentions it in some writings, and I recall in some history how as a young man in England Franklin said he would frequent a coffee shop where Newton was known to appear from time to time to try to get a glimpse of the great man but I believe he as always unsuccessful. Newton I think was born 1643, Franklin 1706, so it would have been a huge age difference, and at the time (in the 1720's) Franklin would have been a nobody.

Does anyone have an instance of Newton and Franklin ever having met?

Other than that, an excellent laying out of the problem of slavery in the new nation. Chapter 5 tonight!


Good Morning!

Clarice Feldman

A good twist:https://mediaequalizer.com/melanie-morgan/2017/08/media-matters-president-loses-control-of-own-domain-name-opponents-scoop-it-up?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

maryrose

Let's tie Hillary and Comey to the dossier in return for immunity for these lesser players who no one knows or cares about .

 narciso.

They got chaitres to write the designated scribbling re akhmetchin, in the new yorker who was a long time Simpson source. Much like azema was jay Solomon's. The latter was cut out of the pipelines out of the Caspian back in the late 90s.

Threadkiller

Looks like he came close to meeting Newton, Daddy.

Crucially, the summaries of Franklin’s scientific life help explore 18th-century sociability in Britain. Franklin in London features many of Franklin’s fellow Copley Medal winners. The medal was awarded by the Royal Society for outstanding scientific achievement, and recipients included John Pringle, William Hewson, Joseph Priestley and Benjamin Wilson. There were also a number of other important scientific figures including Peter Collinson, Lord Kames, David Hume, and John Fothergill. There was even a frustrated attempt at meeting Isaac Newton during Franklin's first visit to London between 1724 and 1726. Franklin did not meet Newton, but the meeting had been facilitated by Hans Sloane and Newton's collaborator, Israel Pemberton.

Benjamin Franklin in London: The British Life of America’s Founding Father | Reviews in History

http://www.history.ac.uk/reviews/review/2028

 narciso.

This was from around the time the dossier was released:
infodio.com/20170114/fusion/gps/derwick/associates/venezuela/corruption

So in whose interest was this dissemination. Three guesses.

Clarice Feldman

Jay winik is a very approachable guy, CH--why not explain your puzzlement and see what his source was.

I found his discussion of the interconnections of all these various people throughout the world at that time utterly fascinating.

daddy on iPad

From TM's link: “What I really like to do is gather documents and put things together in a way that they could be used to expose a crime or right a wrong,” Simpson said. “I call it journalism for rent.”

I call it journalism Low Rent.

henry

Is this Simpson guy under oath? or are they having milk and cookies together?

 narciso.

Derrick does much the same for the caracas camarilla as fusion has done for certain oligarchs and an irate emirati prince:

This was as much a dodge as the other rhodes road show

http://babalublog.com/2017/08/22/uh-oh-king-rauls-designated-successor-trashes-normalization-circus-privatization-and-other-american-strategems-for-the-re-colonization-of-cuba

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Tillerson press conference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1411&v=H4DIs8g7DLc

Old Lurker

MM "What if the electronics compromised isn't the navigation but the steering?"

Not buying that either. Ain't no captain out there who would allow his ship to get so close to another ship that a "sudden turn of the wheel" would bring him broadside to an ongoing ship at speed.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

daddy.

Looks to me like a blackmail program hiding in plain site.

glenda

As usual, the single-cell (groupthink-leftist) slimy amoeba..^troll^ is wrong.

GPS is the favorite of Bush operatives, Romney-Ryan back-stabbers, etc that lie, skim, and coverup their graft, via Glenn Simpson and the other founding character assasins at Fusion. Another WSJ lady parts shill, and former NYTimes liar.
Hillary was forwarded the dossier by RNC seditionists who work just like Lynch, Comey, to keep control of US tax$$ and burden the middle class.
Trump is their fear personified, and their derangement against him--instead of working the edges to appease him--He has become their "biggest mistake" !
The policy of hate, mob rule, condescension is never going to change minds, hearts or souls. Most sentient, fair American voters (legal) don't watch or read the 24/7 media propaganda---nor do they trust Political duds like Ryan, McConnell, Pelosi, etc.
The voters question a Senate "intelligence" committee that kowtows to groups, individuals like Simpson & GPS---allowing the bad actors to set their terms--like what everyday rank and file middle class or poor American, would EVER get that accommodation??
Yet, they remain blind, clueless to their obvious perfidy? No wonder the efforts to rewrite history, and their acceptance of immoral acts of rage--because their (status quo establishment--deepstate?) fears and loathes Trump and those who voted, support Trump ---ONLY !!!

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Old Lurker,

OK. Were there people on deck watching? If not, why not?

Either no one was watching, or the person in charge of the ship's movements was absent or asleep, or something else.

cboldt

Make sure to visit angelocarusone.com
Many names listed.

cboldt

Glenda - that Gollum Sacks remark is a blockquote right from the ABC story.

 narciso.

Most of these incident happened in the dawn hours.

Fusion works for Mexican interests, molochs minions were hired to go after vanderslip.
There were many such outfits that did security consulting and investigations in the 60s and 70s. The most famous was intertel headed by fmr puzzle palace? And rfk staffer Walter sheridan

 narciso.

Carusone was Dnc treasurer during the last campaign, you see the pattern.

 narciso.

Of course we discovered Dr. Evils mercury group as well as podestas shop have a yen for Russian oligarch rubles. Just like brooking has for whatever scrip they use in doha.

Old Lurker

MM "OK. Were there people on deck watching? If not, why not?

Either no one was watching, or the person in charge of the ship's movements was absent or asleep, or something else."

Now we are on the same page. Unforgivable at any time, seems to me. Unbelievable only a month after it happened to another ship.

Wonder if we will ever learn what happened? Until we do, the last department of government I thought was competent, ain't.

daddy on iPad

Looks like Venezuela still has enough money to fund a Little Leage Baseball Team for the Little League World Series. They are in the first inning against the very tough Mexican squad. Love the kids, hate the government.

Oops, now its 5 to zip Mexicans. Having a fun chat with 2 swim coaches from Guatemala in Miss Marple's town at a local watering hole. Their high school Team from Guatemala is in aninternational Swimming competition here and is doing well, so in the meantime we are watching the Mexicans thrash the Venezuelans.

I love my job!

BTW, I bought a Powerball Ticket. The clerk at the 7/11 said to buy the 3 dollar version, not the 2 dollar version. I did. Anyone know why the 3 dollar ticket is preferable to the 2 dollar ticket?

Miss Marple the Deplorable

daddy,

I believe it doubles your winnings an also is prefereable for the retailer. LOL!

Swim competition is probably at the IUPUI Natatorium, which was built for the Pan Am Games we hosted here some years ago.

Old Lurker

If I won the Powerball, that would just upend all of my detailed financial planning and I would have to redo it all...

Miss Marple the Deplorable

daddy, Alas, I forgot to buy a ticket when I was out!

I got distracted because the lady in front of me at the gas station was buying a bunch of tickets and then, after they were printed, found out that she couldn't pay for them with a credit card! Duh! That has been the law since the lotteries went into operation. She said the other Kroger let her do so but I am suspicious that she was telling the truth.

I will tell my daughter to buy a couple when she heads home from work. If we win we are buying a place in the country where she can have an animal sanctuary for cats, dogs, pygmy goats and bunny rabbits.

I will have a cottage over in the corner where I can have my Fortress of Solitude. LOL!

Miss Marple the Deplorable

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/david-petraeus-no-substitute-for-u-s-leadership-in-iraq-syria/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share_button

I didn't read most of this because I was dumbfounded by this beginning quote from Petraeus:

“I think it took some time before there was a recognition that, without U.S. leadership, the situation in Iraq could completely deteriorate, and the situation in Syria was going to just continue to spiral down farther and farther.”

How in the hell could they not be aware of that? I, midwestern grandma, worried about it because I SAW those guys running around Iraq shooting people from Toyota pick-ups! Everyone knew that Iran was trying to get a foothold.

But it took Washington "some time" to figure this out?

No wonder Trump gets so disgusted! I am right there with him!

Miss Marple the Deplorable

http://college.usatoday.com/2017/08/22/spotted-malia-obama-moving-in-to-harvard/

 narciso.

General fLynn figured it out, he saw the same players pre 2009 resurfacing in leadership posts in ahram nusra as well as Islamic state, he knew bel hadj and other lfg were bad news

glenda

cboltd....I'm in a full lupus flare today ☹️...I thought the "precious" was Dana or his kind---sorry, gollum..

The MSM echo chamber is oblivious. It's assuring, no one who reports from the star chamber--visits my neighborhood! Though Stone Phillips cried about living here, once !
My favorite High School teacher's son is also a Oscar Winning writer, director...lots of West Point grads, phd's,, md's, jd's, the loner who invented "Astro-turf" for Monsanto..etc---but don't tell Charles Krauthammer--he thinks we all were conceived in bars, or the local Trump trailer-park 😂

Captain Hate

Winik is pretty open about his sources in the bibliography at the end; I don't have a copy at my disposal to check. He used to have a website but that doesn't appear to still be active. I'm sure he can be reached through the publisher.

Buckeye

If I won the Powerball, that would just upend all of my detailed financial planning and I would have to redo it all...

I will do all the worrying for you OL, and only charge 10% :)

Buckeye

MM

Don't panic, drawing is tomorrow night :)

Captain Hate

Anyone know why the 3 dollar ticket is preferable to the 2 dollar ticket?

You just paid a 50% surcharge for nothing.

Captain Hate

Don't be cute, OL; we know the Powerball number is just a rounding error for you.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

https://www.axios.com/fox-news-channels-campaign-carl-cameron-set-to-retire-2475842417.html

I always wondered what he did when it wasn't a presidential election year.

 narciso.

You know nothing of my work, zombie schlesuger protests

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=371233

Old Lurker

Funny, Cap'n. And I was thinking the problem would be I would have to expand the col width in all my Excel Spreadsheets.

exdemocrat

MM - save your $3, i already bought the winning ticket ;-)

jimmyk on iPhone

"Anyone know why the 3 dollar ticket is preferable to the 2 dollar ticket?"

I know why it's preferable to the store.

Rocco

I realize military vessels are more manueverable than most big ships but it takes those huge supertankers miles to stop. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would give those tankers a wide berth

jimmyk on iPhone

Kennedy family up to its old habits, though no dead bodies that we know of.

http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/national/kennedys-arrested-disorderly-conduct-family-compound-article-1.3430579

jimmyk

Sorry, I didn't MM's earlier answer.

I believe it doubles your winnings

So is it better to pay $2 for nothing, or $3 dollars for double nothing? :)

anonamom

If I had lupus,or any autoimmune disorder, I'd read Plant Paradox and follow it to a T.
And watch Dr. Terry Wahl's TED talk.

Jack is Back!

daddy,

According to Walter Isaacson's "Benjamin Franklin: An American Life", he never met Newton but as the master experimenter demonstrated a number of Newton's theories such as electricity in lightning and how dark areas absorbs more heat than light areas. He was a huge fan of Newton, that is for sure but never met him or even had a coffee in the same house as Newton.

How did you like the Ghost Map? Fascinating for me. My great-great grandfather, the "nonpareil bowler" of Victorian cricket fame, died in August 1854 of Cholera during the same period of the book. He was living in Islington though not the west end. More weird.

Buckeye

I realize military vessels are more manueverable than most big ships but it takes those huge supertankers miles to stop. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would give those tankers a wide berth.

Rocco, years ago I was at a job site in southern Indiana with three other co-workers, 2 of which had PhDs in EE.

One of the PhDs was truly brilliant but not a lick of common sense. Driving into the little town for lunch we came to a rail crossing where a loco was pushing a couple of covered hoppers under a grain elevator.

Brilliant PhD said that "it wasn't until my wife told me that I knew the train has the right of way".

Even I paid enough attention between bar hopping in college to know from my Physics class that hundreds of tons aren't going to stop on a dime:)

Clarice Feldman

CH--If you can't find how to reach him, email me for his wife's addy..

Clarice Feldman

That Ace fisking is winner!

 narciso.

Then you have this example:
www.npr.org/2015/04/23/401781313/clinton-foundation-linked-to-russian-effort-to-buy-uranium-company

Is it just a coincidence that employed the fsb official who worked with the hacker that broke into the exchanges in nevada

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Back to Powerball: the reason to buy the $3.00 ticket makes more sense when you realize that in a huge jackpot like tomorrow night, there might be several people who get all but one number. They will win something approaching $100,000, so doubling that would be a nice benefit.

It also doubles for the people who win $500 or so with fewer numbers.

 narciso.

The strongest tribe beckons

www.newsweek.com/isis-us-syria-arab-leaders-switch-sides-new-war-fear-raqqa-653072

 narciso.

Wait I though assad was partners with them:

https://theintercept.com/2017/08/22/syrian-civilians-brace-for-humanitarian-disaster-of-a-final-confrontation-between-assad-and-jihadists/

glenda

I've got it, anonamom...I read you here @ JOM discussing it.
Thank you for noting...I splurged celebrating grandson's bday--eating--I do not imbibe--didn't hydrate properly, then stressed regarding his school schedule (high functioning teens on Autism spectrum often get shafted in public ed )...wha--laa---flare!
Non-compliant patients- are the worst ! 😇

anonamom

"Non-compliant" is called LIFE! (And why I love my patients anesthetized!!)
I'm sure you'll get back to doing what you already know works for you!

My sister was diagnosed w UC at Mayo years ago, and she can tell by the bite when she's going to "be paying for it" the next day.

Really, when she's brought pizza in for supper---a group fave with nine healthy guys 16-30-- she'll look across the table to catch my eye if she takes a second piece, roll her eyes in a "what can you do" kind of way, and nod knowingly.

Captain Hate

Team Restraining Order's latest:

One isn't enough, Captain.

Steve Bannon is no longer serving in the White House. He's headed back to Breitbart News to forward his own agenda from the sidelines.

That's good. But you know what? It's nowhere near good enough.

President Trump's White House is still infested with right-wing extremists who have espoused hate and discrimination.

Stephen Miller remains Trump's senior advisor. An investigation into his background uncovered "instance after instance of bigotry, xenophobia, and homophobia."

Sebastian Gorka still works at the White House. He used to work at Breitbart News, just like Steve Bannon. Gorka has been photographed wearing a pin from a Hungarian Nazi-allied group, and has said that people on the left "fake hate crimes...with some regularity."

Just the type of person the RINOs want to reach out to.

Captain Hate

off

jimmyk

Malia to Harvard. What's the over under on her SAT scores?

Manuel Transmission

First pass on the pix from yesterday.

A buddy that flew into an adjacent apt sent a panorama image that a guy shot from his airplane. Will try to get that posted. Probably will have to be posted via link to get enough resolution.

Captain Hate

Very impressive, MT.

Jack is Back!

jimmyk,

1230/1400 and I am being very, very liberal. Almost as liberal has Harvard's admission policy for those of a certain profile, if you get my drift?

When we were there in July, it was bragged about by the Harvard tour guide that if you were a minority, family income challenged and in a certain social class it was easier than being a white person with very high GPA and SAT. The easiest way for now for a white person is athletic scholarship but that won't last for long. I guess their future endowment suppliers are not being considered.

henry

Glenda, I went to high school with Stone Phillips. His brother Vic was the sophomore soccer coach. Good people.

JimNorCal

"Our self-absorbed counter-insurgency strategy assumes that the people will rally around the government we support. But that didn’t happen in South Vietnam, and it didn’t happen in Afghanistan."

From the previous thread. Many years after the end of the Vietnam war I was astonished to read that the South DID rally around their gov AFTER the Americans left. And, in fact, held their own until the US refused to sell arms and ammo even though they had money to pay.

Beasts of England

Very nice, Man Tran - especially the first one.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

JimNorCal,

Courtesy of the democrats in Congress at the time. Shameful episode.

Jack is Back!

MT,

Nice. Especially the wedding ring one. Good job.

I like the one I saw where the ISS photo bombed the sun.

Beasts of England

I hadn't looked at the pre-season stuff until Tom R's comment. I guess FSU being ranked that high doesn't surprise me. I see the other SEC school in my state is in the top fifteen - that should help Momto2 feel better!

I'm tagged with our gameday meal for the FSU game, and will be dusting off a few recipes for that event. Ah, football. It all makes sense... :)

Davod

JimNorcal.

There was a ship in the harbor full of munitions and the US refused to allow it to be unloaded.

Davod

Carl Cameron retiring. Will Fox end up with an all women senior campaign staff?

matt, deplore me if you must

Just try being Asian getting into Harvard. Probably requires a 1550 or above, 4.6 GPA or mad basketball skillz. Yes, discrimination still exists.

JimNorCal

MissM and Davod, just like now Dems were evil. Just like now, Repubs were mostly incurious and unwilling to make a fuss.

jimmyk

The easiest way for now for a white person is athletic scholarship but that won't last for long.

Ivies don't give athletic scholarships, do they? But you can get in on athletic ability for sure. Which is good for whites in 'white' sports like swimming.

Extraneus

I love my job!

...

I didn't read any of the thread after that, but I feel I have to respond. I don't remember EVER saying that, even to myself. Made a lot of money (much of it for my ex-wife), and sure, enjoyed a lot of people and times at work, but wow. I can't say I ever LOVED it.

 narciso.

Just like rubottom and wieland blocked arms to barista, just like lyman Kirkpatrick was assured by the future Mrs Raul Castro that Fidel was kosher

matt, deplore me if you must

following up on the last thread, the Navy has re instituted navigation classes in a big specifically because of cyber threats.

Our Congress sold the South Vietnamese out lock ,stock, & barrel. They had been doing a good job for several years, but then Congress stopped funding our agreements and supplying hardware,

An incredible disgrace. But Gerald Ford was also complicit.We turned our backs, plain and simple.

 narciso.

Remember the witchhunt against him


http://abcnews.go.com/International/optimism-trumps-afghan-war-plan-legendary-us-commando/story?id=49358598

Jane (Stand against the Coup)

Beautiful Man Tran.

Rocco

That's funny Buckeye! I've an old friend who was sitting in the front of the class during a history test. He turned back toward me and with four fingers stretched out, whispered, "number four." So I looked at my test and whispered the answer back to him... "Napoleon." A few seconds later he turned back toward me and softly asked, "what's his first name?" He went on to be chief of security for a lieutenant governor.

Me, all I can say is I'm grateful y'all let me tag along here!

Ralph L

I guess their future endowment suppliers are not being considered.
They've already got billions and billions. Where's it going?

Rocco

matt, Red Right Return should be our new slogan for the nevertrumpers.

Ralph L

We turned our backs, plain and simple.
A side? benefit of Watergate.

Jack is Back!

matt,

You jest, right? Being Asian gets you into Harvard much faster than anyother ethinicity.

Even our tour guide who is Asian studying history admitted so much.

When I lectured at MIT, my Civl Engineering Grad class was 80% Asian. And everyone of them gave me their resumes first thing. If you drive by Pierce Lab you'll see hundreds of Asian kids touring the campus.

Better have maxed out the SAT and won the Intel Science Fair if you wont to get in as a white kid from America.

anonamom

No Jib, being Asian is a big strike against your getting in to Harvard--they have to have a bout 150 more SAT points over a white kid to get in.

There's a law suit about it.

anonamom

Here's the suit

http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-wang-says-ivy-league-discriminates-against-asians-2015-5

Rocco

Can't we call it the Comey Dossier, he paid for it.

Ralph L

Navy seamanship: too many officers, not enough ships.
My father spent his first 8 years with sea duty, 15 out of first 20, then a yuge drawdown in ships in 69-70.

Before they put women on combat ships, enlisted men complained they were taking too many shore billets, which their wives didn't like. Crazy bitch #1 my stepbrother married (just like dear old mom) forced him to quit with 14 years rather than go to sea again.

Wives don't like having women aboard either, I'll bet. Six CPO's pushed out over one fraternizing sex act on USS Hue City.

Jack is Back!

In Re: Bama's first game.

As I understand it, it is the first time a pre-season number one has played a team ranked as high as number three in its first game of the season.

I think that will settle if they are no. 1 and whether FSU is a legit no. 3 depending on the score and how they play.

Let RG and Beasts settle it on the pontoon boat drinking stingers:)

Jack is Back!

Anonamom,

So how do you correlate your statement with the fact that 50.08% of the freshman class is minority for the first time? Women? Not a minority anymore. Black? You are reaching.

Check it out. I believe it is majority Asian. And for them to max the SAT? No sweat.

Steve Earle Song Ideas

Why would Malia have to take the SATs? And will the professors be grading her or will she be grading the professors?

hrtshpdbox

McConnell has to go, he's so much worse than Paul Ryan or even John McCain. Just one more service that President Trump has provided the nation, exposing that fetid worm McConnell.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/22/us/politics/mitch-mcconnell-trump.html

Clarice Feldman

Jimmyk--1100 after all that private schooling.

Beasts of England

I didn't know that either, JiB. It's all we want right out of gate, I'm sure. On the bright side, if you're going to lose to a highly ranked opponent, the first game of the season is the very best time for it to happen. And by 'you're', I mean FSU. :)

Ralph L

Does anyone know if the left's videos are being de-monetized, too? I read that as demon-itized at first and wondered about the fuss.

Clarice Feldman

Probably close to what Chelsea's was when she was admitted to Stanford.
The children of presidents are not judged on the same standards.

anonamom

An Asian kid has to be MORE QUALIFIED--have HIGHER SATs--than any other kid at Harvard.

They are NOT admitted in proportion to the number who are objectively qualified by statistics (GPA, SAT) to be admitted.

There are THOUSANDS of Asian kids who are qualified to get in--they LIMIT the number of those qualified kids, just as they did the Jews back in the day.

If they didn't, the entire class would be Lee, Kim, Ngyuen and Yang.

But maybe your point is that they make up a larger portion of the class than they do of the population in the country. That may well be true.

sbw

If I had lupus,or any autoimmune disorder, I'd read Plant Paradox and follow it to a T.

Just finished reading it. Worthwhile read. I’ve passed it on to three with the kind of ailments it might help.

Now, ... if I can just get over the avocado.

anonamom

Did MM post the link for the rally?
I'm relying on her. No TV here.

Oh, I am so not doing that green smoothie thing for breakfast, sbw.
Not even for three days. If I ever get overtly ill, I'll consider it.
In the meantime, my biome has to rely on sauerkraut.

I like "worthwhile read."
Well put.

maryrose

JIB:
Are legacy students still getting in ahead of more qualified students?
We had an Asian girl waitlisted at Yale and she was top of the class with very high SAT's

Extraneus

If they didn't, the entire class would be Lee, Kim, Ngyuen and Yang.

That seems fair to me, actually.

Jack is Back!

anonamom,

Exactly what I mean. They are expotentially much more accepted at their per capita postion in overall population.

Its pervasive all through Ivy academics as well as the elite schools like your alma mater, Sandford and others.

Jack is Back!

Sandford s/b Sanford....Grrrrrrr.

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