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August 10, 2017

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Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

I asked this on a dead thread earlier;
Is there any evidence Rods from God are deployed or have ever even been operationally tested?

henry

Ig, nothing public.

Sue

Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity(VIPS)

The long and short, anything that Ray McGovern touches is short on Sanity.

 joan

My goodness, Clarice, the first few paragraphs of 'The Nation' article are almost breathtaking because it is thoughtful instead of rancid and political. Got to take time later this afternoon to absorb it.

Wonder what The Nation's commenters will think of it. Bet their intestines will burst.

Old Lurker

Jane, I think his wife's house is still on the market for $26M but they have thankfully moved over to Martha's Vineyard. Good riddance...but we have plenty of MSM & Credentialed Moron a**holes left behind.

 joan

Oh, yes, thank you, Clarice, for discovering it.

:)

Seems like I thank you for lots of the excellence on here.

Old Lurker

"The Nation's commenters will think of it. Bet their intestines will burst"

That would be sort of a dust to dust full circle, right?

 joan

OL - :)

Extraneus

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cboldt

That article in The Nation is very out of character.

"This [Trump/Russia - US/Russia "fact"] was accomplished via the indefensibly corrupt manipulations of language repeated incessantly in our leading media. We are urged to accept the word of institutions and senior officials with long records of deception."

CNN will argue internally that an inside leak is still a hack, so will persist with sourcing the Wikileaks to a hack, and suggest that the DNC data-thief used the Russians to get to Wikileaks.

In other words, no matter what, the Russians were involved in it, to help Trump, so his presidency is illegitimate. Too much face invested in the template to allow it to be abandoned, or even challenged.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Clarice,

I also read the Nation link and took time to read the comments, which are apparently full of disinformation trying to debunk it, which indicates to me they might be onto something.

However, the charge of misinformation in the comments comes from one of the authors, so I would need someone like henry to really look at it and debunk either the article or the comments.

Threadkiller

Princess and the Popper

 joan

This is a comment from Patrick Lawrence on his article at The Nation. I think it's interesting because of his comment about personal safety since there is speculation about Seth Rich and a few others:

Patrick Lawrence says:
August 10, 2017 at 9:33 am
Hello.
I will comment on only one question raised here. It has to do w/ anonymity, a matter I looked into carefully and repeatedly during the reporting. As noted in what I wrote, anonymity in this field is respected as common practice.
Last night I had a note from Adam Carter in which he addressed this question of identity. (I didn't solicit his remarks on the topic.) He wrote in part:
"Please know that both Forensicator and myself only choose to remain behind pseudonyms for security. (Understanding Guccifer 2.0's purpose makes it clear to us that whoever it is, they are connected to influential and wealthy politicians that are not likely to be happy about this being exposed and the prospect of it being who we think it is does not make us feel any safer.)"
Adam Carter went on to note he and colleagues are aware of the inconvenience their decisions to remain anonymous imposes.
I see nothing peculiar in this judgment. I ought to add that some of my intelligence sources warned me as we finished our work together to be careful driving, esp at night and esp on the country roads I traverse to get home. This is not funny business, I was firmly advised. I'm not in a position to judge these kinds of things directly, but they are, and so I take their word for it.
That's that.
As to all or most of the other remarks in this thread, nothing in any of them alters in the slightest detail anything readers will find in the piece. We're bolted to the floor on this one.
Cheers to all.
Patrick Lawrence.

Sue

I stopped reading the article after he named VIPS as his experts.

cboldt

I didn't notice that Obama and Trump were on the same page with regard to the ODNI report.

"The conclusions of the intelligence community with respect to the Russian hacking," the legacy-minded Obama said, "were not conclusive."

Jake Tapper misses no opportunity to ridicule Trump for saying "Maybe it wasn't the Russians."

henry

Miss M, the Nation article's explanation is plausible. Depends on the "meta data" that only the Forensicator has access to being genuine. House of mirrors inhabited by liars, etc.

Bigger thing is it is an opportunity to junk the "Muh Russia" narrative that only 25% of people who answer polls believe, while shitcanning DWS (with her fat backside hiding the Awans getting swept under the rug).

I doubt we will ever learn the "truth."

Miss Marple the Deplorable

If VIPS is interested in saying this was an inside job, the question, Sue, is why?

Obviously the "Russian hacking" story is problematic for them for some reason.

Very curious.

cboldt

Sue - there are others who notice the absence of evidence [actually, worse] in the ODNI report, as well as debunking Guccifer 2.0. VIPS isn't the only group of people who notice and remark on these things.

Jane (Stand against the Coup)

OL,

Yeah the Vineyard is a much better place for them.

My best friend from law school has a house there and runs into the elites constantly. He says they are all demanding attention constantly in a "don't you know who I am" sort of way.

Sue

I don't know why VIPS involves itself in anything but when they do, it typically falls apart.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Marie Harf is on my Fox live feed giving "expertise " on North Korea, so I turned it off.

Sue

cboldt,

Ok. Still doesn't make VIPS a source I want to get behind.

cboldt

Harf is a low-skill political hack. The only interest she inclines to advance is that of Obama and Crooked Hillary. She's less honest and less skilled than Carville or Begala.

Sue

It's interesting that the Nation ran the story. I would just urge caution running with it. Simply because I don't trust VIPS. On anything.

cboldt

Sue - My point is take out the source of the proposition, that the DNC theft was an inside job, not a Russian remote exploit.

The article doesn't defend that proposition with evidence, it just notes that others have doubted the veracity of the ODNI report (Obama included), and if the ODNI conclusions are accepted as true even though they are false, it's because the press pimped the story as truth. The consequences following are pretty well obvious. Trump's presidency is damaged in various ways. "Mission accomplished."

Dave (in MA)

Harf was the designated nitwit on The Five last night.

Sue

cboldt,

I kind of took the author at his words...

This article is based on an examination of the documents these forensic experts and intelligence analysts have produced, notably the key papers written over the past several weeks, as well as detailed interviews with many of those conducting investigations and now drawing conclusions from them.

I read on until he identified his experts.

Sue

I'm not trying to say that the article is wrong or that their conclusions are wrong. What I'm saying is no one, including me, will take the article seriously if VIPS is involved. Maybe that's the point in the Nation publishing it. Obscure a fact using quacks.

cboldt

I'm fine with presuming the article is wrong. For me, if it's in "The Nation" or endorsed by vanden Hueval, it's probably pushing a falsehood. Sort of like CNN and USA Toady.

Sue

I've been sure since the beginning that there is not much to Russiagate. With the leaks that have been flying all over the place, we would already know if there was.

cboldt

I also am not persuaded by the "had to be an inside copy, because the timestamps are out of rig with remote transfer" argument. The argument has many unstated assumptions.

Sue

I had a co-worker come running through the office this morning announcing the FBI raided Manafort's house yesterday. I politely informed him it was July 26th, not yesterday. He didn't believe me. Short time later he came by my office to tell me I was right. This is why people believe Russiagate. They read the headlines and nothing else.

Sue

Yeah, I'm not even going to pretend to be an expert on computers. Not even sure what that means. ::grin::

Porchlight

Iggy, I replied to your question about Rods from Gods on that thread.

Other kinetic bombardment weapons are operational. Military is presumed to be working on the "from space" part. Unknown at this point whether it exists/works, but I wouldn't necessarily expect them to tell us. There's a link in my comment.

Janet the expert 🚬

Maybe the VIPS & the Nation don't like Russia being slandered. They were all probably Bernie supporters too.

Extraneus

Nuevo threado.

Sue

Janet,

As good a theory as any I have. Scary Larry was a Hillary supporter though. Not sure if he is still part of VIPS.

Jane (Stand against the Coup)

Janet,

I too like that theory.

Clarice Feldman

Yes, I am sceptical of VIPS, and yes, cboldt is right--they are not the only people arguing the speed of the download makes it most likely a leak, not a hack. I linked to the piece because it's The Nation.

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