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September 01, 2017

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henry

Dream off. Sept 5 end of program.

Threadkiller

Lindsey Graham spilled the beans on the real goal just before his failed presidential run.

During some waste of time hearing he was pillow talking with Obama's budget honcho and they both concluded that the only way to semi-fund social security and other schemes was to make the base of the pyramid ever larger.

DACA is not about cheap labor so much as it is about more taxable labor.

Threadkiller

Lindsay:

https://youtu.be/1TJ5gDvjvf0

JimNorCal

A convenient list of 17 interviews that occurred after the draft letter finding Hillary innocent.
http://bejohngalt.com/2017/09/the-fix-was-in/

henry

TK, when you are drowning in unemployed people, more "workers" does not mean more Soc Sec taxes. Need more jobs filled by idled "workers" already here. They are idiots if they believe that pyramid of of workers crap -- expanding the ranks of the employed or reducing the Soc Sec takers are the only options.

Soc. Sec is a pyramid scheme. What cannot continue, won't. Flooding the country with "dreamers" does nothing but raise other costs.

Clarice Feldman

Yes, henry "they ARE idiots".

 narciso.

They get the captain tupolev award, Henry.

Threadkiller

All I'm doing is giving you Graham's thoughts on the subject, henry. He says we don't have enough workers per retired person. Obama's stooge agrees.

I don't agree with them. Just presenting the multi fronts that the uniparty is willing to fight on to dilute this country's sovereignty even more.

Cheap labor ain't the whole story.

Ralph L

How about we let illegals pay in but not take out?

Or we can wait for rich Europeans to flee the coming sharia.

lyle

https://newrepublic.com/article/144592/trump-creating-propaganda-state

No need to click. Just savor the headline.

Extraneus

Transgender L’Oréal model fired for saying ‘all white people are racist’

Bergdorf was one of five beauty ambassadors for L’Oréal’s “YoursTruly True Match” campaign and had been called “the face of modern diversity.”
lyle

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/09/was-it-a-hack-or-a-leak-4.php

Parry also provides a good summary of the VIPS analysis. A friend comments and concludes with one more good question: “This entire business with Comey setting in motion the steps to get a special counsel named has not been sufficiently investigated. And this story makes it clear that the FBI was lackluster when it came to investigating the DNC. What is Attorney General Sessions doing?”

You may not be interested in the JOM Trumpean Bell Curve™, but the JOM Trumpean Bell Curve™ is interested in you!

Captain Hate

Like clockwork:

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=371384

Comanche Voter

Paul Ryan; never fails to disappoint.

maryrose

It will expire the day they come back from break.
Remember President Trump has to sign it.
If their work visa expires before Congress acts they have to go right?

lyle

Your (almost bi-weekly!) George Neumayr:

https://spectator.org/the-sierra-club-sets-up-shop-at-the-vatican/

mike in houston

Awan Asks Judge To Remove GPS, Citing Possible Emergency With Kids In Pakistan

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/01/awan-asks-judge-to-remove-gps-citing-possible-emergency-with-kids-in-pakistan/

lyle

Oh, and then there's this:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-catholics-can-welcome-lgbt-believers-1504221027

By Cardinal Robert Sarah

It’s possible to stay faithful to the church’s teachings without turning away millions.
hrtshpdbox

Chamber of Commerce Republicans who like cheap labor and lots of customers will remain an obstacle to stricter immigration laws and enforcement, of course.

I don't buy that, at all. But if it were true, the solution to it would be more ICE raids where illegals might be working (never mind that farmers often can't find Americans even willing to work the fields).

DACA will have some sort of ending, but Trump frequently (after being elected) has expressed that children of illegals who are already here should be treated with compassion. He's right - it's no fault of those kids that their parents crossed the border illegally.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-press-conference-dreamers-heart-235103

 narciso.

It would be a breach of his promise, box

https://althouse.blogspot.com/2017/09/what-does-categorically-mean-in-we.html

Captain Hate

DACA will have some sort of ending, but Trump frequently (after being elected) has expressed that children of illegals who are already here should be treated with compassion

They should be compassionately transported back to the country their parents belong in. I don't know why this is such a difficult concept for some people to grasp.

Ralph L

I'd like to know how the anchor babies get birth certificates. Shouldn't their parents be deported if they're found to be illegal?

hrtshpdbox

I don't know why this is such a difficult concept for some people to grasp.

Color me clueless than, as I can't for the life of me see how taking someone out of high school in Pasadena and dropping them off at the bus station in Tijuana is what "should" happen.

 narciso.

It would seem doubtful Lyle, for they would have to forgo their behavior that is part of their identity.

Porchlight

I can support a grandfather clause on DACA, with a cutoff date after which no new deferrals will be accepted.

Captain Hate

They don't belong there in the first place, box. If I travelled to France and overstayed my time there, for whatever reason, I'd be breaking the law and would have to accept being kicked out or any other penalty they felt like inflicting on me and my children. Because it's their country and not mine.

 narciso.

Ah any alternative outlet is doubleunplusungood, got it.

sbw

DACA children can be helped without making them citizens. They can become permanent residents like Canada has.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

hrtshpdbox,

I agree with you. (Don't faint.)

I favor ending the program and those here in it be given permanent legal residency, with no possibility for citizenship or voting. If they want citizenship, they will have to return to their country of origin and re-apply for status as a legal immigrant.

All of you who favor just deporting them all, you can bet we will be treated to 24/7 shots of valedictorians and other virtuous types (there is even a young Catholic priest) being deported with wails of anguish.

People who are in areas like mine (Indianapolis) will not understand how many there are and will be susceptible to media portrayals of people who will run the "Trump is a heartless bigot" with every report.

One thing I WOULD like to see is school systems and local governments held accountable for admitting these kids when they either had a birth certificate from another country (doubtful) or were admitted without one.

 narciso.

A lot of that going around:
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/31/hungary-responds-to-legal-action-from-the-eu-by-sending-476-million-bill-for-border-fence/?utm_source=site-share

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 20m20 minutes ago

'President Donald J. Trump Proclaims September 3, 2017, as a National Day of Prayer' #HurricaneHarvey #PrayForTexas http://45.wh.gov/PrayForTexas

Full text of proclamation:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/903705867891204096

Old Lurker

Dems always want R's to pay for the things they want to legislate.

OK, for every DACA kid we allow to stay, we should strip 10 welfare recipients of all Federal Benefits for life, and fire 10 Federal employees all drawn by lottery.

How's that?

Captain Hate

All of you who favor just deporting them all, you can bet we will be treated to 24/7 shots of valedictorians and other virtuous types (there is even a young Catholic priest) being deported with wails of anguish.

Too damn bad. That reeks of the sanctimonious Katshit arguments. The concepts of citizenship and legal residency have been undermined by the open borders types in the Uniparty while the rest of us have been quietly going about our business and it's time for it to be ended. The GOP is at least as guilty in this as any other entities, spurred on by the WSJ cheerleaders.

Momto2

The DACA issue to me allegorically might be:

You are a parent sitting at the head of your dining room table. You have two children sitting on either side of your table and one piece of pie. One child is your legal child and it is your responsibility to feed him. The other child just walked in the door, uninvited, and is holding up his plate asking you to give him the entire piece of pie or at the very least to cut your child's share in half. What is the right thing to do?

Many would argue there is unlimited pie in America but I do not believe that to be true at this time. These illegal children are taking from American children. They are taking up room in the classrooms, taking scholarship $ for college, taking limited medical resources, taking other resources in times of crisis (Houston), etc.

I liked what President Trump said - that he was thinking of the dreams of *our own* American children. He has his head on straight and his priorities in order (in my humble opinion.)

Just because something wrong has been done for however long should not condemn us to continue the wrong or even make choices based on what feels good.

Porchlight

There's a LOT of daylight between continuing DACA and "deporting them all."

DACA "kids" are not only allowed to stay, they are admitted to American universities (with in-state tuition, natch) and are given work permits. Then they are allowed to work after graduating.

cboldt

Speaking of DACA leading to citizenship ...
Unauthorized Immigrants Exploited Loophole to Gain Legal Status, Pathway to Citizenship

Loretta Fuddy


I'd like to know how the anchor babies get birth certificates.

Have a séance and I just might tell you.

 narciso.

It doesn't a tally work that way, depending on the locality, they would different degrees if exposure.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Well, Captain Hate, I would like to get other things, like tax cuts and a reformed health care.

There is nothing illegal about my proposal. It keeps them from completely profiting by denying them citizenship UNLESS they go back to their home countries and enter legally. Most will not do so, so we won't have them as voters.

Their names are on a list already, so it should be very easy to deny them registration to vote. Any state trying to circumvent would be open to all sorts of charges and penalties.

I don't care about hurt feelings due to TV coverage. What I do care about is the danger of losing votes in states like Wisconsin and getting a dem president, as well as losing seats in the midterms.

The blame for this situation lies with the parents and Obama, who put these kids in a protected status, leaving a bomb for Trump to defuse.

cboldt

Momto2 - your allegory needs to have a government gunman ordering you to give some of your pie to the trespasser. And if you don't comply, you lack compassion. The government goon has compassion.

Porchlight

I will say this: one of my best employees is DACA. She is quiet, studious, respectful, and hardworking. She is a pleasure to have on staff and to know.

I didn't hire her, but I'd miss her as an employee, though I support ending DACA.

A previous employee was also DACA (not disclosed to me until after hire). She was also bright and a good employee, but she may as well have had ACTIVIST tattooed across her head (not really). Put DACA buttons on her ID lanyard, wore "Undocumented and Proud" shirts to work, etc. Quite unlike our remaining DACA employee. I was *very* glad to see her go.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

-- The other child just walked in the door, uninvited, and is holding up his plate asking you to give him the entire piece of pie or at the very least to cut your child's share in half.--

Except his parents are sitting at your table too. I guess we send them back and he stays in your house.
Why can't they go get in line like everyone else? Permanent non citizen residency seems like a reasonable solution for adults brought here as twerps, but what if they're minors?

cboldt

Ouija board sez, come to Hawaii, where birth certificates are like leis. Little known fact, Sun Yat-sen born in Hawaii.

Porchlight

The "splitting up families" argument is laughable. If any one of us were in another country with our kids, and we got kicked out for any reason whatsoever, would we even consider for one second leaving the kids there? Of course not.

Captain Hate

I'm not saying your proposal isn't a good idea, Miss Marple; only pointing out that I'm immune to the weepy stories that limpdicks like Kasich and the MFM employ to continue the current anti Constitutional system.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

John McCain‏Verified account @SenJohnMcCain

Great to be at the Ambrosetti Forum in lovely Lake Como #Italy - look forward to discussing the need for strong American leadership tomorrow

https://twitter.com/SenJohnMcCain/status/903668344594804736

=============================================

Does this guy have a brain tumor or not? Why is he in Italy? Is that Lindsey Graham pictured with him? What is his definition of strong American leadership?

I am increasingly suspicious of his illness being real.

Threadkiller

but what if they're minors?

They start accruing a debt load relative to their cost on the nation they aren't members of.

Captain Hate

I am increasingly suspicious of his illness being real.

In his defense, his past behavior indicated that his brain was as useful as his appendix.

maryrose

The program is illegal.
Obama decreed by executive order and the courts said he couldn't do it and just hand out citizenship even in a lottery system.
They have good schools in other countries as well.Parents march in parades flaunting their illegality and waving the flashes of their homelands.
There was s no free lunch.
Taking places other American kids could strive for on college campuses just because you have an interesting backstory is not right.
White Appalachian kids need scholarship money too.
If English is their second language they will score lower on verbal sections to f college entrance exams.
Meanwhile kids here legally are denied a chance to attend the school of their choice because diversity(Miami of Ohio) is a primary criteria for entrance.
Free tuition (I won't even go there)

Neo

A disastrous lack of death has caused the death of the Polar Bear as a Climate Change Icon.
Apparently, the biggest problem for the polar bears now is not Climate Change but rather obesity (and the possibility of diabetes down the ice).

maryrose

Anyone let in who was originally denied better make sure they don't get as much as a parking ticket.
First offense - immediate deportation

 narciso.

Like Pete townsends research:
https://mobile.twitter.com/mypetjawa/status/903708596344684544?p=v

 narciso.

He also had a show on fx for a season:

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=371382

Old Lurker

MM "I would like to get other things, like tax cuts and a reformed health care."

Ha Ha...like if you get one, you won't get the other two? Little secret. You ain't getting any of them, at least not in a form anything like you dreamed of a year ago.

GUS scaling Pikes Peak barefoot

Hrtshpd, I just read your comical post. You are funny........AND.....DISHONEST.
No one has EVER SUGGESTED taking CHILDREN out of their High School and DROP THEM OFF IN TIJUANA.

You probably knew that???? What many Americans' are suggesting, is that if an ADULT is here ILLEGALLY, he/she, must get THE HELL OUT OF OUR COUNTRY.
So you were saying?????

Janet the expert 🚬

Every person that is here illegally should be sent back to their home country.
We can send along instructions on how to apply to come legally, but they must come legally.
IF the kids want to get mad at someone, let them get mad at their parents for breaking U.S. law.

glasater

What drives me nutz is illegals voting!

I tend to be somewhat ambivelent about illegals working in this country because living in a rural ag community, truck and orchard/vineyard farmers do need that kind of labor.

And when that fine day comes along when the government gets out of the 'welfare' business and boots able bodied people of the dole and into the fields I'll take another look..

But I hate the fact that illegals vote. I'm kind of a birther on that issue.. h/t TK

Miss Marple the Deplorable

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/09/01/paul-ryans-duplicity-president-trump-to-announce-daca-legal-review-and-policy-decision-on-tuesday/#more-138020

Really infuriating timeline on this. Sundance explains it all.

GUS scaling Pikes Peak barefoot

Glasater, here is my problem with your take.
You are OK with people breaking the law to be laborers, to illegally come to the U.S. to work
But, breaking the law to vote is wrong??
What if they want to come here illegally because XYZ/PDQ needs labor, but they decline to pay taxes or follow other laws????

Which laws do I have to follow?

Jack is Back!

Frederick's birthday today. 14 years old and I am amazed at how they grow in mind, body and manner. Tomorrow is his first big football scrimmage in Oyster Bay. We'll see how that 14 year old body survives a few hits over the line as a wide receiver.

Bought him a compound bow with all the accessiories and big bag target to set up in the back yard at the fence. If he can develop a correct sighting and pull we'll go deer hunting in November. But I think he is more interested in target shooting.

Plus he is not a dreamer. Illegal is illegal and the parents of the dreamers need to explain to their kid why they are criminally libel for their deportation. No tolerance or you end up like Europe.

Jack is Back!

BTW, wanted to mention, that ever since Joe Biden crucified Ryan in the debate, that any other candidate of the right would have won by smacking old "plugs" back to Scranton, he doesn't impress.

In fact, his best decision was early on when he refused to be Speaker. From then on he has been a disaster. Stick to your first decision Ryan from now on, including resignation.

Janet the expert 🚬

"McAuliffe was joined by Deray Mckesson, an informal figurehead of the neo-Marxist Black Lives Matter group and movement; Mckesson partifcipated in a panel discussion following McAuliffe's remarks."....

"Throughout his address, McAuliffe intermittently spoke with a forced southern accent and cadence, despite being raised in Upstate New York."...


http://www.dailywire.com/news/20330/top-democrat-pushes-racial-quotas-incaceration-robert-kraychik

Also...McAuliffe - "These folks were[n't] just protesting in the name of preserving Southern heritage. They want to maintain inequality in everything that they do, from criminal justice to education to housing, and they want to elevate racism to the highest form. So far, unfortunately, the pendulum has swung in their direction."


Is he talking about the pitiful tiki torch crew?
It is some kind of joke to credit that rag tag group with power over criminal justice, education, & housing.
This McAuliffe spectacle convinces me more than ever that Charlottesville was a planned "Show". Planned, produced, directed & executed.

Threadkiller

Two bad The Founders didn't think of zero tolerance when they set up the eligibility requirements.

Instead they used CliffNotes to try and duplicate an erroneous take on English Common Law.

Now, as they intended, any person with multiple allegiances can be Commander in Chief of The United States Armed Forces.

Odd since they just kicked the Brits asses.

maryrose

McAuliffe was hand picked by the Clintons to be governor and hand Virginia to Hillary on election night.
He only controlled one state and didn't think Wisconsin and Michigan would go for Trump.
Sanders won the primaries in those 2 states so Hillary had a built in weakness there.
Now the old governor who is under investigation has outlived his usefulness. He is just a hack now trying to get publicity.

Egregious and Reckless Disregard

Poor Frederick.

Pity the lad.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Janet,

I am convinced it was staged. If you look at those tiki torch guys, they had 30's style haircuts and white shirts, very similar to old pictures of Hitler Jugend. Few if any beards, by the way. High preponderance of blondes.

Who says "Blood and soil?" Not any KKK members I have ever seen. That was straight out of the 1930's.

It's like someone went back and leafed through pictures of the Nuremberg rally and stage managed a mini-version.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

Furthermore, I believe that the "stage management" involved someone from Hollywood, someone familiar with historical echoes and documentaries.

What has Ken Burns been up to?

Davod

"McAuliffe was hand picked by the Clintons to be governor and hand Virginia to Hillary on election night."

Even with all the Democrat backing and Republican infighting he barely got the votes to become Governor.

Threadkiller

When the Tiki Racist Review performed on local tv highlight reels it sounded like their chant was recorded in a studio. As they marched around the fake moon landing set it appeared as though their battle hymn didn't sync with their lip movements.

Looked like a giant steamer to me.

 narciso.

Yes the national front and national alliance in irfrance and Italy respectively had some dodgy roats but thery learned to mainstream themselves

Porchlight

Furthermore, I believe that the "stage management" involved someone from Hollywood, someone familiar with historical echoes and documentaries.

And Vice/HBO just happened to be there to film it in glorious HD. And there just happens to be a documentary coming out about it.

Tell me another one.

Miss Marple the Deplorable

http://www.businessinsider.com/obamas-looking-at-homes-in-marthas-vineyard-2017-8

I see no reason to believe the denial of their spokesperson, since all of them lie all of the time.

Porchlight

Even with all the Democrat backing and Republican infighting he barely got the votes to become Governor.

And even with the gift of Virginia, she still LOST.

Ain't it grand?

Porchlight

This one's even better

Threadkiller

http://www.wnd.com/2017/08/the-hate-crime-that-dare-not-speak-its-name/

 narciso.

Http://express.co.uk/news/world/849054/Eiffel-tower-lockdown-Gare-du-Nord-evacuated-gunman-Paris-terror-alert-tourists-trapped

glasater

Gus, you're absolutely right. No doubt about it.

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