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September 29, 2017

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Captain Hate

So the Rooskis are behind BLM? Hold the presses!

JimNorCal

Next we'll learn that Russians donated money to Hillary.
"The deuce you say"

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Did the Russians say anything the domestic BLM didn’t or anything Hillary or your average prog disagrees with?

Captain Hate

Does anybody doubt this?

http://tammybruce.com/2017/09/neuroscience-says-yes-your-dog-really-does-love-you.html

JimNorCal

"Did the Russians say anything" a prog would disagree with?
No.
Which, for the Russians, is the beauty of it.

henry

Besides Muslims CH? and / or idiots like BO that copnsider pups to be snack treats?

Momto2

From previous thread posted by Extraneus:

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/09/28/senator-claims-russian-trolls-are-influencing-outrage-over-nfl-debate/

So the same Russians that defeated Hillary are now behind all of the outrage over the NFL. Gee whiz - we Americans can't do anything on our own - like vote for Trump or be outraged over our flag/anthem being disrespected. It has to be the Russians.

Extraneus

https://legalinsurrection.com/2017/09/survey-nfl-brand-severely-damaged-by-take-a-knee-protests

henry

Outline of the WI redistricting case set for Oct 3 at the SC. I think the Russians came up with the scheme from the "political science expert" that the activists are trying to ram through.

henry

Per Drudge, CA to ban all gas cars. Enjoy your donkeys Californians.

Mystic

So, does that mean that CNN, the biggest purveyer of fake news, and clearly stoking the fires of racial divisiveness, are the ones actually colluding with Russia?

Tom Bowler

In related news the WSJ has a story today about how Twitter’s Disclosure of Russian Activity Sparks Criticism From Lawmakers. Tech companies are banding together to fight misuse of social media! Meanwhile media companies battle to keep the Russian interference story alive.

Alas, Libertarian Leanings was found guilty of spreading misinformation. Facebook disabled my Libertarian Leanings ad account for, as best I can tell, a highly negative opinion piece about Hillary that I published the day before the election. My story is here.

Thomas Collins

Wow. A former KGB operative who is now Maximum Honcho of Russia oversees a disinformation campaign against the US involving the stoking of racial tensions. Who'd a thunkit? Almost as shocking as the stories on Hefner's death asserting that there may have been some folks in skimpy attire from time to time at the Playboy Mansion!

DebinGA

I think both teams standing during the anthem with arms locked is a satisfactory response, but I doubt all black players can withstand pressure to continue to do so. Keeping one arm locked and one arm raised with a clenched fist will be too tempting to resist for some.

Captain Hate

Nice blog, Tom Bowler, revealing what mealy mouthed Stasi wannabes make up the Zuck online censors.

Ralph L

California recalled Gray Davis for messing up their electricity, and now they want to force everyone to use it to move. How stupid can they be?

Tom Bowler

Thanks, CH. They really are as censors, just as you say.

henry

How stupid can they be?

I fear we haven't seen anything yet.

Marlene

Good Morning! I wonder if any of you have seen these protests occur at the high school level in your towns? I just read about the girl's soccer team at the high school in Kittery (Maine) taking a knee at Monday's game. They received responses on social media that were racist and vile. The school's principal and the district superintendent are defending the rights of the girls and are outraged about the social media response. We actually know the superintendent,he's the ex-in-law of a sibling. The outrage is justified,but the kind of language the school administrators are using is right out of a post by rse. Does anyone know what a "focused intervention group" is?
I'm really glad the daughter went to high school over 20 years ago. Parenting today must be a nightmare.

squaredance

"I think both teams standing during the anthem with arms locked is a satisfactory response, "

Not by me, not by a long shot. There is a standard way to do this: People without military backgrounds stand squarely facing the flag, and put their hands over their hearts; Current and former military personnel stand at attention and give salute, holding the salute throughout the anthem.

We have been doing this for generations. That is showing respect. Period.

There is no difference between kneeling and locking arms.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

Funniest comment at that electric car story:

"I'm going to use 6 or 7 illegal aliens to pull my car around like a rikshaw."

Dave (in MA)

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/09/29/mumbai-rush-hour-stampede-leaves-22-dead.html

Yikes.

rse

A focused intervention group would be using the delphi technique or what the Rock F calls commnication for social change and the obama campaign used as structured design dialogue to get the "community" where the high school is located to a "common understanding" of why the girls did what they did and were justified in it.

Porchlight

I don't think kneeling will go over big at Texas high school football games, even in Austin, but my daughter plans to attend one tonight, so if she gets there in time for the anthem, I'll let you know.

squaredance

RSE: otherwise known as a "Bolivar Circle".

Prue communist claptrap.

sbw

"political science expert"

Politics isn’t science. Science isn’t political. And "political science expert" is an oxymoron.

Old Lurker

Gonna be funny when CA has to buy coal from WY to make the electricity to run those cars. Nuclear is a no-go of course, and Hydro requires those pesky dams, so what o what is a Lib to do?

rse

It tried to find so-called "common concerns" underlying differences of opinion so everyone can come to appreciate they are actually in agreement.

You would not want me or SQ, in other words, at such an event pointing out the flawed assumptions and fallacies being used. I got both cheered and jeered yesterday at the cle program for pointing out that although you could make healthcare a universal right, you could not make the right to healthcare in the existing system a right. Declaring the right alters the system.

sbw

Isn’t one’s personal armed drone protected under the Second Amendment?

Marlene

Thanks,rse! The local newspaper covers seacoast NH and York County,Maine. Their editorial praises the girls,so the community is involved. The school administrators are going to investigate the social media responses to determine if hate crimes have been committed.

DebinGA

There is no difference between kneeling and locking arms

I see a big difference, as kneeling/sitting is intentionally disrespectful. Not so standing with arms down. Linking arms as a sign of team unity is not disrepectful of the flag imo. Nor is putting one's hand over heart during the anthem ever been more than a personal choice in my experience.

rse

I had not seen sq's 11:28 when I wrote that. I just knew he would recognize the behavioral science techniques, their name, and purpose. Bolivar Circle is a new name although I recently learned that stafford beers was supposedly given the country of chile in the early 70s to practice the cybernetic techniques.

That would be how politics becomes a science and why these Equity mandates coupled to big data are so dangerous if unappreciated.

Old Lurker

Must keep them under 400' and away from airports and I think you are good to go, sbw.

henry

sbw, make it sentient then it has it's own 2A right to be armed.

Extraneus

Porch, I know I'm getting on in years, but is your daughter in high school already???

Old Lurker

Henry, some of those sex bots are getting pretty close, so why not a drone?

henry

I defer to your experience with the sex bots. ;)

Davod

"Per Drudge, CA to ban all gas cars. Enjoy your donkeys Californians."

Don't worry. Only rich people, party apparatchik's, and government officials, will be authorized to use motorized transport and donkeys.

Old Lurker

Damn Henry. I meant to qualify it by "as I read in the UK papers..."

Old Lurker

Davod, of course the Hollywood Class will have to buy Carbon Credits through their existing accounts.

Tom Bowler

"political science expert"

Politics isn’t science. Science isn’t political. And "political science expert" is an oxymoron.

Posted by: sbw | September 29, 2017 at 11:28 AM

Hear! Hear!

Davod

NFL brand severely damaged by take-a-knee protests.

Players insurance void if knees injured.

Davod

DebinGeorgia:

"I think both teams standing during the anthem with arms locked is a satisfactory response"

Anything to keep hands off the heart. Accept nothing but full return to what went on before.

rse

Marlene--this is from Politico's Morning Education daily newsletter today. Apparently ACLU is incoming on high school protests.

KNEELING UNDER FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS: As President Donald Trump has escalated a war with the NFL during the past week, student athletes may be tempted to also take a knee in protest on the football field tonight - and they have a constitutionally protected right to do so. Despite that, at least one school district has attempted to curb protests by threatening punishments ranging from extra running during practice to being kicked off the team, drawing the attention of the ACLU (and many people on Twitter and Facebook).

- All high school principals in Bossier Parish in Louisiana are sending letters to student athletes and their families "making their expectations known as it pertains to proper decorum when the National Anthem is played at sporting events," Sonja Bailes, a district spokeswoman, told Morning Education. Superintendent Scott Smith said in a statement: "In Bossier Parish, we believe when a student chooses to join and participate on a team, the players and coaches should stand when our National Anthem is played in a show of respect." He added, "It is a choice for students to participate in extracurricular activities, not a right, and we at Bossier Schools feel strongly that our teams and organizations should stand in unity to honor our nation's military and veterans."

- The directive was sent "in light of the national conversation currently taking place," Smith said. Trump has been at war with the NFL, where players have chosen to kneel during the anthem - first to protest police brutality and racial injustice, and increasingly as a response to the president's calls for them to be fired. Trump has said team owners should force players to stand for the anthem, and fire them if they don't. We have the full story here.

- The Supreme Court, however, has ruled that students "do not shed their constitutional rights at the schoolhouse gate" - and that extends to the football field, Frank LoMonte told Morning Education. LoMonte is the director of the University of Florida's Brechner Center for Freedom of Information and the former director of the Student Press Law Center. School officials can only limit speech if it's impeding the school's ability to conduct business by causing a substantial disruption - something that would be very difficult to prove at a sporting event, he said.

- "In a classroom, we expect everyone to stay silently in a seat, but in the stadium, there are people turning cartwheels and doing backflips on the sidelines, there are people waving banners and painting their faces, there are people getting up to buy hot dogs and talking on their cellphones," LoMonte said. "In that atmosphere, it would be exceptionally challenging to say that a silent display of dissent is a substantial disruption."

- The principal of Parkway High School in Bossier Parish wrote in a letter that the school "requires student athletes to stand in a respectful manner" during the anthem, and that those who don't comply could be kicked off the team. A picture of the letter was posted to Twitter by Shaun King of the Intercept and was retweeted thousands of times. Another district official told the Shreveport Times that potential punishments range from "extra running to a one-game suspension." The school's Facebook page was flooded with angry comments, as well.

- The ACLU of Louisiana issued a statement calling the Bossier Parish school officials' threats to punish students who protest "antithetical to our values as Americans and a threat to students' constitutional rights." Marjorie Esman, the executive director of the ACLU of Louisiana, told Morning Education in an interview that "the Supreme Court has been very clear that schools, government officials, cannot suppress a student's right to protest - even on a team, even during a game. To refuse to salute the flag, say the pledge, all of those thing - they are protected by the United States Constitution."

Extraneus

As a way to show respect to all, our #Saints team will kneel in solidarity prior to the national anthem & stand together during the anthem.

— Drew Brees (@drewbrees) September 29, 2017
henry

Posted by: sbw | September 29, 2017 at 11:28 AM

Yeah, but does Judge Kennedy think so? or feel? or whatever coin flip is used in the SC?

Porchlight

Extraneus, yes, she's a freshman this year. Believe me, it's blowing my mind also.

Neo

The NYTimes has a story of Cuban doctors working abroad.
The Cuban government gets 75% of their paycheck before they see it.

Amazing, these doctors have come to the conclusion that ... Communism is slavery

Sounds catchy.

Ralph L

I remember men would hold their hats over their hearts, but the hand-over seems recent to me--I never did it, and my Dad was career Navy. We just stood at "attention," as we did for presentation of the Colors and for Dixie.

sbw

Drew Brees: As a way to show respect to all . . .

Stand up! sit down! Fight! Fight! Fight!

Buckeye

Anything to keep hands off the heart. Accept nothing but full return to what went on before.

Before all this "taking a knee" nonsense, most of the players just stood on the sidelines bullshitting with each other.

Doubt too many grew up saying the pledge in school. Not a requirement for government assistance.

Neo

I still say that if Trump had ordered the NFL players to 'kneel before him', this would have been over last Saturday.

Neo

Perhaps, while the owners and players lock arms, they could so one of those Cossack dances where they dance with their knees in from of them.

It would be marvelous.

Marlene

rse,that is interesting. The incident in Maine might remain a local story. The "Traip Academy Nine" are receiving praise and support from the adults,the editorial page,the school administrators,etc. I'll be watching the Portland news tonight to how much media attention they receive. The girls who kneeled are very upset that their fellow students don't want to engage in an honest discussion about the issues.

henry

Vid from in the stands at Lambeau.

In New Orleans? Well they have a history of wearing bags on their heads in that place.

GUS

Deb, why are we compromising with Kaepernick?

Think about that question.

pagar, a bacon, ham and sausage supporter

Was this linked @mJOM before? Anyway, I think it won't hurt to run it again.

http://www.12news.com/sports/nfl/cardinals/fulton-homes-to-run-patriotic-ad-during-cardinals-monday-night-game/478593620

Buckeye

Usually when people say they want an "honest discussion about the issues", they are lying through their teeth.

henry

their fellow students don't want to engage in an honest discussion about the issues

Is that when you have to shut up and be insulted for having "white privilege"? One of those "honest discussions"?

No thank you commie. I have productive things to do.

DebinGA

NBA opener about two weeks away. Anyone doubt we'll see at least one player standing with hand over his heart and middle finger extended? I bet BOzo is hip deep in gleeful NBA protest discussions, keeping in mind his smiling "middle finger" cheek rubbing campaign gambit.

The California State Legislature

>>>How stupid can they be?


Posted by: Ralph L | September 29, 2017 at 11:04 AM<<<

Here, Hold My Beer.

pagar, a bacon, ham and sausage supporter

You can't make this stuff up.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1909300012654803&set=a.1653039648280842.1073741833.100007244683074&type=3&theater

Somehow just doesn't seem right to allow this.

GUS

Drew Brees can kiss my ass. TWICE.

Porchlight

Is that when you have to shut up and be insulted for having "white privilege"? One of those "honest discussions"?

Worse than that - you have to publicly renounce your white privilege.

Porchlight

From The_Donald, for Captain Hate. Obvious sentiment but I haven't heard it so simply expressed.

[–]Squares_Are_Circles 26 points an hour ago

Goodell will go down in history as the man who killed football in America.

Porchlight

But then there's this:

[–]OGpsywar 2 points 13 minutes ago

Well now I'm confused. Is Goodell a fool or a Hero?

Future wiki entry -- Roger Stokoe Goodell: caused the Red-Pilling of 40 Million former NFL fans. Set off American cultural revival.

Old Lurker

The problem with tricks like linking arms is that the cat is now out of the bag.

When players acted like all other athletes at all other sporting events by simply stopping what they were doing and standing silently during the Anthem, we could all just assume their allegiance and respect and we were all happy.

But now they not only popped that bubble, by openly flaunting their lack of allegiance or even respect for those who do, and in some outspoken cases, even disrespect with the acquiescence (at best) by the entire teams, now simply going back to some version of Status Quo Ante will not be close to enough for many fans.

Tough turkey, a**holes.

rse

Marlene-have you ever read any of my posts on the requirement of schools Fostering Communities of Learners and also having a Positive School Climate. You may well have schools in your area where the students have been taught that they have an obligation to come to a shared belief after common discussion and that everyone must then embrace the agreed on plan of action.

There is a related practice called Discourse Classroom developed by Courtney Cazden. I mentioned CHAT in my most recent post. Cultural Historical Activity Theory pushed in US by michael cole who is now in la jolla. Fostering CoLs was created by an ed prof, now deceased, called Ann brown. In 1979 cole, cazden, and ann brown all traveled to the ussr. After the trip they created these ed practices that are now ubiquitous and a legal mandate in most places. Fostering CoLs for example is how principals are evaluated.

And that's how old soviet practices, theories, and mindsets get injected into what was a free society. Via education and the law.

DebinGA

GUS, you live in WI, where iirc the relatively few blacks (6%?) live in/near Milwaukee. I remember a Jeff Greenfield article in 2007 re why BOzo won the WI primary but lost in OH. Answer - few WI residents, unlike in OH, had occasion to interact with blacks. Iow, BOzo was a mystery.

I've live in GA most of my life, and I feel a lot of empathy for black folks, especially when it comes to traditions that arose during times they did not enjoy the same freedoms open to them now. White and black players standing and locking arms together was a face-saving alternative wisely offered the black players imo, who'd otherwise face tremendous pressure from their "base" to do something much worse.

Jack is Back!

Current and former military personnel stand at attention and give salute, holding the salute throughout the anthem.

We have been doing this for generations. That is showing respect. Period.

SqD,

Slight correction: Former military personnel .... give salute (uncovered)...holding the salute throught the anthem, only since 2008 when W issued an E.0.

squaredance

No, locking arm is disrespectful; Read my post again. Google the p[roper response. You are flat out wrong. It is not debatable what the proper response is. Locking arm is just as offensive as kneeling. By condoning this stuff you are letting them get away with it. You are playing right into their program.

You must have been playing hooky that days in civics class when they taught this. Goodness, they taught this in Kindergarten when I went to school.

henry

rse, so they vote, then all head off for gender reassignment surgery? that explains so much.

rich

poof?

that comment vanished. damn it.

Neo

Rah Ray Ree .. Kick them in the knee
Rah Ray Ras ...... Kick them in the other knee

MMeridan

Hey I just bought some Butterfingers candy at Amazon. Did you see their Tweet? Don't know how to post.

rich

anyway the comment I had was about my confusion regarding the FB (social media et al) Russia story ... still trying to understand it.

DebinGA

Before BOzo got the hand-over-heart memo ... Probably 2007 in AZ as Bill Richarson and Hillary are beside him.

DebinGA

they taught this in Kindergarten when I went to school.

I'm curious where you grew up, squaredance, if you don't mind sharing.

Extraneus

That Kumbaya thing last night was funny as hell, Neo.

Marlene

rse,I mentioned that we know the Traip superintendent. He comes from a family of educators. His father was the high school principal in the town where hubby attended high school.
He has worked his way up the educator food chain as teacher,principal and now a superintendent. The ed practices and theories that you inform us about must be required for working up the food chain.
The parents must be at a disadvantage when these things happen,because after all,the "educators" know what they're doing. *eyeroll*
Oh for the days when the daughter's algebra teacher stopped by the office to have a chat with hubby about the daughter's choice of friends. She figured out who her true friends were,but imagine an involved and caring teacher doing that now!

Extraneus

Melania Trump Fires Back at School Librarian Who Rejected Her Gift of Dr. Seuss Books

rich

read your piece Tom Bowler. whoa.

Some of those responses look like bulk form letters.

maryrose

The base of any party should not have so much control over a person that it causes them to reject respect in favor of going along with an activity they don't believe in.
Being forced to kneel for fear of repercussions is tyrannical.
When I sign a contract to teach, I pledge to display exemplary behavior to set a good example for the students.
When they sign a contract to play football part of it should spell out proper behavior on the field and before the game on the field.
When they sign it they agree to behave accordingly or suffer the consequences.
That is what is needed.

rse

marlene-he is probably far less indoctrinated than the gypsy supers I write about who barely teach and make ever increasing amounts of money with the related solid gold pension pushing these neural rewiring practices.

I regard the current super where I live and the previous one as pure evil. The current one came from oregon where he was the highest paid district super in the state. Our former super, who is now involved with jeb bush's chiefs for change, moved on to palm beach where he is the highest paid district super in fla.

DebinGA

Mrs. Trump's staffer issued a statement describing the Cambridge librarian's books rejection as "unfortunate" and the Beacon dubs that "Melania Trump firing back"? I'm not ever sure the statement was written by Mrs. Trump and not her Dir. of Communication, whose appointment might need a second look imo.

maryrose

You are either patriotic or you are not.
Michelle Obama once said"All this fuss for a flag"
She was not proud of America and her attitude encouraged others to show disrespect.

 narciso./

How true is this:

http://hoover.org/research/what-can-we-expect-trumps-foreign-policy-principled-realism

squaredance

Former military have the option of not saluting. If they chose to not do so that is not disrespectful. It is disrespectful for people who have not served in the Military (or LEOs, etc) to salute.

Certainly all former Military folks know this

Once this was common knowledge and taught at school, just like how to properly handle a flag When I went to school (and it was not a public school, but it was the same in neighboring public schools) screwing around during flag raising (every morning) and during anthems would get you in big trouble. They would likely bring your parents in on it.

The fact that teams prior to this incident did otherwise just shows how ignorant they are, and is in any event irrelevant . Moreover, if they really cared about respecting the flag now they would figure this out--it takes one google to find this out.

Again, locking arms is disrespectful and here it is just a passive aggressive tactic to try to "appease" fans while sticking a finger in their eyes.

They should not be "protesting" at all in the work place, and certainly not in sport events. This is particularly galling given all the taxpayer deals they get, not to mentioned that if non leftists did this sort of stuff they would get fired on the spot. They are just rubbing our faces in the fact that there are two classes of citizens in this country: Leftists and everyone else. I cannot see why anyone here would willfully accept such degradation.

They not only should do it right, they should apologize.

I am surprised that anyone here cannot not see this.

squaredance

Deb: actually I do mind--no offense intended.

Jack is Back!

OT:

In process of putting a new display section on a 2013 11" MacBook Air. Its Frederick's and he somehow broke the display unit. I did a previous tear down to see if it was a loose cable or connection to the mother board but not the problem.

So, I bought a new display unit complete with new antennae cables. Did a tear down to take off the defective display unit and in process of inverse engineering when I went to reconnect the power supply to the I/O board and can get it lock in. Its a six pin channel connection and darn if I can get to lock.

Then one of the terminals on the bluetooth/airport board is damaged. But I can solder the lead to the terminal there. So, taking a break trying to figure out how to get the power supply connected to the mother board:) It's always something when tear down computers and iPhones.

Extraneus

Yeah Deb, there wasn't much "firing back" in that story. I just used their headline for the link.

Stephanie Nene Not your normal Grandma

"In a classroom, we expect everyone to stay silently in a seat, but in the stadium, there are people turning cartwheels and doing backflips on the sidelines, there are people waving banners and painting their faces, there are people getting up to buy hot dogs and talking on their cellphones," LoMonte said. "In that atmosphere, it would be exceptionally challenging to say that a silent display of dissent is a substantial disruption."


"During the anthem we expect" yada yada yada...

FIFThem

Nice try on their part at conflation, though. Idiots.

DebinGA

None taken, squaredance. I just like to understand where posters are coming from, especially someone like you who is so passionate in your view.

Jack is Back!

Let me make a few corrections to the discussion on the flag and national anthem. There is actually a U.S. Code that covers the proper etiquette during the playing of the national anthem in presence of the flag:

Title 36, Chapter 10,

§171. Conduct during playing

During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should render the military salute at the first note of the anthem and retain this position until the last note. When the flag is not displayed, those present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed there.

As I noted earlier, Bush's E.O. in 2008 allows former military to salute during the playing (head uncovered).

When the code was formed back in 1942 by Congress it specifically excluded penalities for not adhering to the Code.

So, holding hands, kneeling, sitting, locking arms, doing calistenhics, horsing around, BS'ing, turning your back or even burning it are not vilolations of law to be punished.

However, if you want me to be able to identify disresptful, spoiled and insolent assholes do your best to not honor that code.

 narciso./

Moloch minion has a sad:

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tim-graham/2017/09/29/washpost-columnist-hates-pro-lifers-claiming-victory-clinic-closes

Ralph L

That dim librarian inadvertently did more good than harm--who would know about Melania's gifts otherwise? Anything encouraging kids to read is good, even Playboy for the articles.

Stephanie Nene Not your normal Grandma

Well if they don't 'read' Playboy for the articles and look at the pics, they would be triggered. Girls? LGBTQBROCWNEIFR would be offended.

Sue

On Fox this morning the liberal pundit, Leslie something, said no one would have known about the librarian returning the books if Mrs. Trump hadn't of "fired back". Of course no one asked who released the letter from the librarian to the press? I don't know. Who did?

Appalled

I would love too make all those who kneel or lock arms or otherwise freelance during the anthem to write a coherent paragraph or two on why they are doing it. None of the explanations I have seen make much sense, really.

The clearest version I have heard was the first hard to spell and I don't want to google it just now guy sat out as a BLM protest, and later, he just kneeled, because that at least showed some respect to the people who fought under the flag while making some kind of statement or other.

The latest protest mostly amount to "I hate Trump", or "solidarity, man". Whatever. They deserve to get booed.

rich

Posted by: Sue | September 29, 2017 at 01:42 PM

iirc it was the librarian who released to rejection letter to the public and then the First Lady's office responded with a "that's disappointing" letter.

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